Chrono Trigger is still my favorite game. Ever. Second is Earthbound.

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+Vein Rigor out of curosity what about mother 3?

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As opposed to the original where the characters were pretty one-dimensional and flat, while the story was also convoluted (though not as much, admittedly). 

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+RoyalGuard503 Thats a bunch of bull shit. Every main character in chrono trigger had a back story and a huge part in the story. Even Magus, since he was sent back in time. He was made him self strong so he could defeat Lavos. You must be fucking stupid to think the characters in chrono trigger are one-dimensional. Even ayla back round story is good, cause you get to see marle's ancestors came from. 

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+hecatomb Everyone looks back at trigger with nostalgia glasses. It was good, but by no means was it the best storytelling.  Yes, many of the characters were pretty one dimensional.  Ayla is a good example, actually.  In what way did she actually change or make a big development as a character?  Honestly, she didn't.  She was the excitable cavewoman through the whole game.  Frog was the knight with a relentless sense of justice and service.  Lucca was the arrogant genius who isn't humbled at all (even when she goes to the future where much crazier inventions than her own exist, instead of being humbled, she gets up and fucking repairs a robot she should know nothing about). Sure, it's a good game, it's a classic and I love it, but that doesn't mean it's beyond criticism.  And I wouldn't call Cross out as worse on a writing level.  A lot of Cross' characters are actually great.  And I'd say you're exaggerating how "useless or pointless" they are.  Very few of Cross' characters are completely pointless. I've seen the criticism that Cross has too many characters that don't have a point super often, but I have to wonder if any of these people have actually made it through the game.  I wouldn't completely demerit that point, but I mean, it's flawed.  You're making the assumption that character development can only happen when you deeply relate to every single character in a script.  That's just not true.  A character can play a minor role and still have a big impact on the main character.  Similarly, a character can exist completely outside the main focus of a story but still have quite a bit of development.  It's just dishonest to say that every character should have deep layers of narrative in order to be a good character. In Cross' case, it's not about relating to party members deeply.  It's about how Serge comes to learn about himself and others through his interactions with the world and how his death effects the world in and of itself. That, and I would say that despite the fact that Cross cast a wide net when it came to characters, it still maintained a core of about 5 that really drove the story and did have pretty deep backgrounds anyway.  You get the same experience, you just also get a bunch of small moving parts with it.

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+DestinStrider I would have read your wall of text but, no thanks I would rather read a book 

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+hecatomb Which completely invalidates whatever criticism you have. :[

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thats only your opinion

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No, when someone won't take time to read counterpoints, they have no solid ground to stand on. 

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you have no good points at all, you are a complete moron. 

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Just because you haven't read them doesn't mean they don't exist.

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I dont need to. Only a idiot would think chrono trigger characters are bland

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+hecatomb Way to prove you didn't read a bit of it.  Because that's not what I said. lol

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cause you are a complete idiot. Every character in chrono trigger has a back story and a purpose of being in the game. Unlike Cross, were you only need to care about like 4 characters.  

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Oh my god.  You can keep calling me an idiot all you want.  Your point makes no fucking sense because I never said that Chrono Trigger's characters didn't have a backstory.  Rather, I said their personalities are flat - which they are.  That's something that's true for a lot of old games. I'm not saying it's worse than Cross.  I'm saying I wouldn't call it significantly better, because it wasn't.

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Actually, your just a dumb fuck and im just going to add you to a block list. 

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+hecatomb rofl ok bro.

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coming from a down syndrome fucktard, doesnt mean much to me

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haha Whatever you say retard.

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ok down syndrome boy 

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Cool story everyone but there was one point that was forgotten in this case. I would agree with what's been said in these comments but then we would all be wrong.

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This game is fucking awful, even more offensive as a sequel to CT.

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+hecatomb What happened to you in your childhood that made you this way?

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People definitely look at the game through the nostalgia glasses. I played Chrono Trigger for the first time in my life about a year ago and I honestly don't know what is so good in it. I'm sure it was awesome when it came out but right  story and characters really seem...bland

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It has nothing to do with nostalgia. Even parasite eve which come out around the same time as Chrono cross, had characters and a story you could follow.  You only need to care about like maybe 3 or 4 characters in cross. And no one even remembers the story in cross 

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+hecatomb he owned you hard in that debate, top kek.

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+licher licher just cause you agree with what ever your boyfriend says doesn't mean its right. Have fun getting fucked in the ass though 

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+DestinStrider Lets Laugh together bro hahahahahaha what a kid

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+hecatomb Every further comment you make proves you haven't played the game beyond possibly 30 minutes.

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What can i said is chrono trigger is some of the best jrpg out there. And cross is no mean a bad game. It should not put chrono title and lies to fan it a sequel to ct. It should be it own game just the title to like cross trigger. It a dumb name but at least it doesn't lies to fan of ct. It op is killer and it a good game(better than any ff games this day). But not up to ct hype and glory.

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+hecatomb You want full story of main characters ? Play Radical Dreamers. There you have full story of Kid, Serge and Magus ( Guile ).

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+SteelBallRunGyro Well Shin Megami Tensei series are good. Last of "classical" jrpgs on consoles. Im hoping that they dont screw up Persona 5.

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+SteelBallRunGyro Front Mission too. Maybe its not  a jrpg... but still, very good game.

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Yup proved me wrong I have never played cross thats only why I said the story and characters are weak to chrono trigger, your brain must not be working. It also does not make any sense to have a human make lavos even stronger.

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Man, fuck that shit. Chrono Trigger for life.

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fuck chrono trigger! and fuck their goddamn fanboy. this game is good, stop comparing it with trigger and make this game seems worse. chrono cross deserve more, and because of you stupid fan the series stopped.these ppl just want to feel like themselves are sooo fucking important.

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Ya like you saying fuck people just to make your self feel better more important. 

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wuuuuutttt???? seriously? that doesn't make sense. you just got butthurt ya? I'm just tired man. every chrono cross video.... ahhhh whatever there is no point saying this. at least i enjoy both the game, and happy both exist.

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Did this dude just say fuck Chrono Trigger? That's like saying fuck Degas. Or fuck Beatles. I would have not expected these words even from my darkest nightmares. You sir, are a hater. And we all know how haters feel inside.

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+putridspit other then you being a complete idiot, want proof, you just said fuck chrono trigger, then you said you like both games. Nice troll post. If your not a troll, then you must be a retard 

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+AnimeHecatombs the fuck is your problem?how am i a troll? whatever man. i just want to vent off my frustation. I dont' hate the game, I hate the people.and I'd rather be a retard than be an asshole.

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Damn it, yes. I like this, but I played C. T. at first... and this have a convoluted plot and a lot of characters useless (it's quantity over quality). Cross isn't bad, but can't compete with Trigger

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I actually agree with you to an extent.  Crono Cross was held back by its attempts to tie itself to the original Crono Trigger. It obviously had developed into its own thing. It could have even worked if they had gone with the Magus connection only and ignored the Crono/ Lucca/Marle.Or removed the connection completely Also I will agree that most of the characters outside of the main core were useless...HOWEVER, they were making up for the lack of variety in combat, which I appreciate. In Crono Trigger, there were a lot of combinations and variety because of how the system was set up with every combination of characters you chose giving you new moves. They removed that system in Chrono Cross and so to make up for that they inserted more characters. It makes sense if you look at it that way. It also raises the replayability of the game. I do think that Crono Trigger is better in terms of gameplay...I do like Crono Cross better , but I like the characters and story better (but maybe I just see a lot of potential). There is a tragic sort of sadness in Crono Cross that isn't in Trigger...There is something to it...I can't put my finger quite on...that I think Chrono Trigger doesn't have as much of for me. I can't even explain it because I want to say Chrono Cross has a lot of heart to it, but so does Chrono Trigger....lol....Maybe my preference isn't really logical XD. It's just how I feel about them and when I play them. I also want to say that it feels like there were constraints on chrono cross. I can't say why but certain things felt like maybe they weren't able to flesh them out...They did the parallel world thing but it felt like they could have done more with that given how many places you jump to in Chrono Trigger. To be fair though, the world overall was larger . I like the idea of jumping from dimension to dimension. I think if a game ever NEEDED a remake, it is definitely Chrono Cross. I know people would love a remake of chrono trigger but it doesn't have as many overarching faults. And Cross is just oozing with potential....

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+DestinStrider yay i have someone I can talk to ! I read your wall of text. I do think that Chrono Trigger has a flatness to it. The characters aren't as developed through I don't think. But I think maybe it's the difference in how much is able to be fleshed out with the different time periods the games came out. Like for example, I prefer final fantasy 9 over final fantasy 7, not because of gameplay but because 9 is better able to flesh out its characters.(plus i just like the story better and the characters)   7 was the set up ..they were figuring out how to do 3D so of course it isn't going to be able to dedicate as much time or be as fleshed out. I can't say I'm the only one who felt this way because a friend of mine who is sort of outside of the gaming community played chrono trigger and said it was good but it didn't resonate with him the way it does with other people. I don't want people to think that I don't think it's a good game. Trigger is a good game...It has a very interesting and intricate story weaving through it. We have basically a racial fight for survival in the prehistoric era, a technological takeover in the future, a complicated war going on between i'll call them 'demons' and humans, a magical kingdom corrupted by the want for power...and all of these do interrelate. It is a complex story that does a good job with what it's doing... However, if the game was made today, i would argue that they would be able to dedicate more time to developing the story line behind each. Then again, leaving things vague and letting people think more about their implications is not necessarily a bad thing . You don't have to know everything about every time period and every person to get a feel for the gravity of the situation .

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+hecatomb dang dude didn't even listen........ You are comparing 6 important characters to 4 important characters...woahh huge difference. Besides, yes Chrono cross has a lot of side characters that have little bearing on the story That doesn't completely rule out what they did with the main characters. Can't we have a civil discussion without throwing around the words 'retard'. Also I do think Chrono Triggers characters are flat depending on how you look at them.....I do think they do all go through changes, but their overall traits are very stereotypical...I think this is something that happens across the board though in fantasy. It's part of the idea of archetypes. Also I don't agree with everything everyone said  aobut them just being one sided because it's very obvious to me at least that Frog goes through a lot of character development from when he was a kid to his current situation.. Plus what Magus goes through.

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+SteelBallRunGyro Yep like I've already said...it's sooo obvious that Chrono Cross was held back by being tied to Chrono Trigger. It definitely has this great potential with the storyline going on...But then you think it's building to something and it sort of just goes into 'huh ??? ' territory.. That's what is frustrating to me...because I don't think the storytelling is bad in itself but that part of it is...just....confusing..and it taints the entire thing. when is say 'held back' i don't mean that chrono trigger is bad. but the ties to it and cross make no sense. Plus, the entire time you are playing you are like....'what does this have to do with chrono trigger? ' LOL .

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+hecatomb  You're the dumbest person I've ever met. Calling you stupid would be an insult to stupid people. Just crying and calling people idiots like a little child. No manners, no arguments whatsoever...  Are your parents siblings? You're as dumb as a bag of hammers. Do the world a favor and go kill yourself.

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+Ian Sohr ya soon as you kill your self no one will miss your dumb ass, faggot 

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+hecatomb But the music is fantastic, at least. ;)

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+hecatomb Actually it's even better than Trigger. Cry me a river.

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+Eduardo Jardim I just ask something: Why?

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+hecatomb You had a good point and could argue back, but you fucked up. D:

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+Camilo Rodriguez More complex and thrilling story. Very unexpected developments from the first game. Even better music. Battle system is cooler also. It's not by far, but Cross is superior.

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+Smole667 the only one who fucked here is idiots who think cross is better then chrono trigger. 

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lol, this hecatomb guy is obviously a troll, just ignore him

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+hecatomb Why call them idiots? Just because one has an opinion of their own that doesn't harm anyone? Why insult and use foul language on them when someone is just stating there opinion there really is no need to be mean and call people horrible things just because they think Cross is better the Trigger. Why you so mean bruh.

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+Tiny Tox Honestly, with CC, I never said the characters weren't somewhat shallow.  However, they all for the most part have purpose.  Even if that purpose is to reflect back onto the main character and how that main character interacts/grows.  There are plenty of films/books out there where the entirety of the story focuses around a bunch of different characters, but one or two ultimately grow from it - it doesn't make those other characters less important, because they were pivotal to that change.

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+hecatomb i like cross more than trigger :)

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+DestinStrider dude, both these games are WELL into the "nostalgia" zone now.

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+DestinStrider comparing a book to chrono cross is the biggest fail ever. Mostly cause you cant compare a book to a video game. Mostly also you do not need to add like 97% of characters to your party. Most of the characters in the game are a waste of space with no back story. 

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+hecatomb you really are one spoiled lil' brat...aren't you? To insult anyone who likes something more then what you like, is the epitome of being a hater. To each their own dude. You love CT more then others, props to you! Don't be a pathetic kiddo and start bashing whatever you dislike. Yes, I did play CT. Yes I did play it 1st, before playing CC. But no, CT felt weaker FOR ME, in terms of story, character development, gameplay battle and soundtrack. Chrono Cross had all of this done much better. Now prove us once again how pathetic and a hater you are by coming with some mindless insults.

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Ok boy, just cause your dad calls you a brat does that mean you just go around and call people that? Keep talking son, I dont have time for little punk kids like you, so get muted and blocked. 

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+hecatomb who care It's just a game both are great . you comment start a comment war but the question is : What was the start of this? when did the cogs of fate begin to turn? Perhaps it is impossible to grasp that answer now, From Deep within the flow of time...

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+DestinStrider Some people just wont accept the fact that Crono isnt the MC anymore lol. Don't get me wrong, i played both trigger and cross and both of the games are awesome

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+hecatomb intro kill all!!! -he best of psx time

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+hecatomb The soundtrack though... I love chrono trigger way more than chrono cross and loved both their soundtracks. But I can't pick which is better. They were both unbelievable

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+hecatomb This is pretty much a great way to start an argument. Claim that another game has flaws, then when your ideal, "perfect" game is poked for flaws by others you defend by sprouting insults. And arguments are like chess games. After you sprout insults and to get no point across, checkmate, you lose. Keep calling others names. Keep getting angry and swearing at other users. It does not change the fact that you do not know to argue, ergo, construct posts of counter-points.

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+hecatomb You're a retarded faggot. Cross shits on Trigger.

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I think kids like you shouldnt use words they dont even know what they mean. And no im not gay, I just fucked your mom last night. She said you are a complete fucking idiot, and hopes you kill yourself.  And chrono trigger is a better game

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Final fantasy 7

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I haven't read all the comments, but of course Trigger is much better than Cross. First of all, the gameplay, which is the most important thing in a game. Chrono Trigger has an amazing yet simple battle system, with double and triple techs that are funny to learn and use, and also made the characters that use them very unique during battle. The exploration was the best part, with lots of places to go in every era, with various changes of a place that existed in more than one era. In Cross, the battle system is weird and hard to get used, when a character gets his action interupted, she may or not return the chances of an attack being more accurate to normal (???) and the only differences between the characters is the three special attacks they use and their inner element color. The exploration in Cross is it's weaker point, almost bad actually. You have 65 hours of game and only 13 different regions to go, meaning that you have to go lots of times to the same places and do exactly the same thing, talk about backtracking, which is always an imperfection. In Chrono Cross the characters join the party in very senseless ways, some people they just met, they start by talking:  "- Well, i have to do this, and later that... - Do you want to join the party? - Yes!"  iIt's so WTF! Next we have the story, Trigger's story is accessible, right to the point and with better ideas than Chrono Cross. In Trigger, you begin in a fair that celebrates the victory of a war. Then as the time passes, you eventually go to that moment in the past and you see yourself as the hero of that war you were celebrating the victory in the beginning, and that is just a detail. In Cross you have a damn confusing story that most people don't understand in the first time they play, and the ideas are built in a way like quantity over quality. It throws away so much information that every little independent information loses it's value, despite the fact you won't organize them in a way you can understand in most of the time. Graphics: Chrono Cross has better graphics only because it was released for the following generation. Soundtrack: Of course Chrono Cross has better soundtrack, there's no discuss in that. But RPGs are focused on story and gameplay, and in that Chrono Trigger is better than Chrono Cross. I like Chrono Cross, but i have to be fair and declare Trigger as better.

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+Carlo Henrique Valentini dude the battle system in Cross was so fun to do, and its what me and my brother are basing our own video game battle system off of once we finish our degees.

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+ベラグ ジョン Consider this a reply for both of your replies: No, absolutely, no. Chrono Cross battle system is a complete mess that you have to interupt the game all the time you gain a new element or a new character to rearrange your whole inventory, that cuts immersion a lot, because there are 54 playable characters there. You can perform to five physical attacks in each character's turn, but the enemies may interrupt you between them. A very unnecessary cut of immersion because very quicly the enemies only take 1 hp of you in each hit, plus, randomly your accuracy returns to normal when it would be much easier just to keep it improved. Not to mention that each character has only three different special attacks that turn they unique, making them look like only physical variations of vacuum shells from the others of the party. The accuracy is something to discuss in the game, because the 70%, 82% and 90% are pure lies, when you have to miss, you will miss the attack, and that 99% actually means 100%. About your game, please tell me the name, maybe I'll play. I don't say I don't like Chrono Cross, it's just not better than Chrono Trigger.

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+Carlo Henrique Valentini I disagree, I love the turn based system, it lets you plan your fights more. I have never head of this inventory rearrangement, the only  thing I can think of is when you are choosing your elements. Also you aren't going to be using all 54 characters, because it is impossible to get all 54 characters within a single playthrough. You will have a select few character that you use the most. The accuracy system is a part of the volume of damage system, where that, light attacks will deal less damage but you can attack more, medium you can attack less but deal more damage and with a chance to miss, and heavy, where you are more likely to miss, and can attack fewer times, but deal way more damage and have a higher chance to crit. The interruption mechanic relies on a % chance and is pretty much like the ATB system where when the enemy will interrupt your decision making to attack you, and honestly I barely remember being interrupted at all. Plus I don't feel it hurt the gameplay either. I think I know what you are talking about with the "vacuum" shells for characters unique attacks, in which I will counter, that in Trigger most of the characters unique attacks were simply recolored slashes and flashes. not saying that is bad, It was just a drawback of effects in video games at the time for both Trigger and Cross. Currently the working title for the game is, Restrictions of Fate. Not to be confused with Resonance of Fate. The game is still in paper stages, we haven't started actually building it yet, simply because we haven't started our degrees yet, we are still working on those damn college prerequisites.

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+ベラグ ジョン Chrono Trigger is also turn based. You have to stop the game everytime to switch places of the elements when you earn new ones and other characters, even though you only use a few characters in the whole game. Also only having to use a few characters out of that giant crowd of party you have ends up like a big waste of character creativity. I know pretty well what was the accuracy system, you don't need to tell me. But it's a whole lie built by the programmers, even though a light attack has 90% of chance of being accurate, sometimes it's easier to hit heavy hits that are 70% the probability of a succesful strike, and that happens in lots of battles. And yes, the enemies interrupt you, even more the weaker ones. That is not a big mistake for the gameplay, but it's an imperfection that bothers you for nothing and Chrono Trigger doesn't have. Don't you dare saying any profanation againist Chrono Trigger's battle system. The characters have unique techs and combat strenghts and weekness, the way the techs synch between each other in double or triple techs is amazing. The way you learn all kinds of techs is good, because nothing is impossible, but still a decent challenge. The magics animations are pretty nice, no matter if they are only edited or not, it's like the notes of a song, you don't need to play hard notes to make the music good. In Chrono Trigger the used elements are always the same for every character, and at least 10 characters have identical weaknesses and strenghts. Good to talk about drawbacks, I should apply that for the summons of Chrono Cross, they are very raw if comparing to FF VII, for example, that had more and better summons, ignoring that the game at the time that really focused on summons was Final Fantasy VIII. So your game is a copy of Chrono Cross and Resonance of Fate? Great...

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+Carlo Henrique Valentini no its not a copy of those two. We are using the Chrono Cross battle system as a base to start with. And that the name sounds similar to Resonance of Fate, our is Restrictions of Fate, the names just sound similar but the games are different..  And false Chrono Triggers battle system was Active Time Battle, while Chrono Cross's is Turn Based Battle. Your accuracy is dependent on the amount of attacks you land, if you do two light attacks, your heavy will have a higher chance of hitting. If an enemy interrupt you your accuracy will reset. The hit percentage is not a lie, it is misinterpreted by players.  Sorry but the "uniques" in trigger are all just as "unique" in Cross.  The amount of party members in Cross does not translate into a waste of creativity. On the Contrary All of the Cross characters are unique and have their own backstory. And to be able to get all of the characters you have to go through the game a few times to learn about them, Also whoever you do get on your team does effect events within the game. Also there are even characters that physically change depending on how you play them. You are trying to play one off as a pile of Diamonds, and the other as a Quartz. When in reality they both are an equal pile of Silver.

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+ベラグ ジョン The difference between Turn Based and ATB is almost nothing, in the end it's still battle in turns. No, that percentage is a very big lie. As I said, in some battles you have more chances of a heavy hit being successful with it's 70% than a light attack with it's 90%, you'll see that if you get an emulator, and you can use an emulator if you have the original copy of the game and console. Not to mention that it's not everytime that your probability goes back to normal. HEY HEY HEY! We are talking about BATTLE SYSTEMS here, not the story of the game. Do you really want to compare Trigger's beautiful, accessible, touching, enthraling and perfect story with the pretty yet convoluted, confusing and random story of Chrono Cross? Are you going to be that fool? Chrono Trigger's characters are unique in battle and story, while in Cross they are only unique (without the same perfection) in story, them and that completely messed plot. And no, for me Chrono Trigger is a pile of diamonds, while Cross is a pile of gold.

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+Carlo Henrique Valentini technically we ere talking both characters and battle. there is a pretty clear difference between ATB and TBB, I have never had a problem with the battle system in Cross. And im doing a playthrough of trigger right now, and I can tel you that there is a difference. ATB tends to be more fast passed and chaotic, while TBB is far slower and more engaging, like the old FF Tactics games.  I didnt think Crosses story was/is any more convoluted then triggers. they both are amazing. And I found myself making more of an emotional connection with the more characters from the Cross cast then the Trigger, dont get me wrong the trigger cast a good to, But Cross had a way more Diverse cast that more people could make connections with. Chrono Cross's story was bigger, more emotionally engaging, and It was among the few stories that I contemplated and actually delved to fully understand, whithout it holding my hand the whole way. And while it had one gaping plot whole, they did manage to mend it, I'll be it, in a VERY lengthy boss battle (Im looking at you Fate <___<). And once I came to putting all the pieces together, Its story just blew my mind. I loved it, I have beaten Chrono Trigger about three times now. I've beaten Chrono Cross four times, So its not like I dont know how great Triggers story is. But lets face it, they both are convoluted. As are almost all, as my brother and I would say, Difficult to understand Japanese Plot lines. Going back to the Uniques in battle. While Cross dose only have a few Double techs and only two tripple techs. I find the Uniques in Cross to be way more appealing, and interesting to me. And again both of the abilities were limited to the technology of the day.

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+ベラグ ジョン Chrono Cross battle isn't really slow, the only clear difference is that in one you can perform more physical attacks and use an element in the end, option that surely can bring haters because of when you miss the strikes thanks to the imperfect percentage system, while in the other the battle is more traditional, but with improvements like the doubles and triple techs for every character despite of Magus, that is more like a lone wolf, an option that brings more development to the character. I never said nobody can like the battle of Cross better than Trigger, but you have to agree with me that it brings more haters and bad critics. Ok, let's talk about story then, so please stop being hypocrite. Chrono Trigger's story is better because it has better ideas than Chrono Cross, starting by the beginning. First objective in Trigger: Save someone that is lost in the past. First objective in Cross: Kill dragons that look like chickens to get their scales for your friend, let's be honest, looks like the objective of a repetitive quest in a mediocre open world rpg we have today. In Chrono Trigger all the characters are important to the story in most of the time, while in Cross most of the party is only important when 1: When you get them (not always, because most of the characters come to your party in senseless ways). 2: When you get their final special element (without being " as good" as when you find them), which is only optional. So what if the cast is diverse when the only differences between them are the special elements and the innate color? If I wanted diversity, I'd play Suikoden that has over 100 characters and their reasons for coming to the party are better than is Chrono Cross. Diversity of characters is nothing when most of their background stories are mediocre. I agree that Cross story blows your mind, because it is confusing. While in Trigger it blows your mind because of the ideas. In Chrono Cross the only emotional moment is when you save Kid from the orphanage, while in Trigger it is in almost the whole game. Well, what you think about uniques in battle in Cross for you is only an opinion of yours, and I don't care about the opinions of a retard person. For real? More appealing and interesting? First: The game doesn't even show you how to obtain doubles and triple techs. Second: Lots of characters have identical special elements because of their classes and inate colors, not to mention weaknesses and strenghts. This is my last answer, my left hand is injured because of an accident and it hurts me to type long texts. I just have one thing to say: Your opinion is wrong. I advice you to hold your preference for Cross over Trigger as a secret, because most of the people will judge you as insane and make fun of you. Goodbye!

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+Carlo Henrique Valentini im sorry I was simply trying to be Civil and have a mature discussion. really ones opinion on both stories are completely subjective. I was giving my honest opinion on two games I enjoyed very much. I could have completely attacked Trigger for being a cliche rescue the damsel in distress scenario all over again that I see in every Mario game to date. But I was trying to be respectful while offering my educated opinions on the matter. My opinion is not "wrong" simply because you disagree with it. If I said that my opinion that air was made of cheese then it would be wrong, because facts. But there is no facts to prove my opinion wrong in this case. Only two Bias opinions battling each other. If you found the Cross story confusing then you clearly didn't pay attention to the nutritive. And probably lack various, analytical, critical thinking, and deductive reasoning skills. And the funny thing is, I tell people all the time that I liked Cross better then Trigger, wanna know what they say? They say, "That's interesting I liked Trigger, lets talk about it." and we have mature debates about why we like one over the other.  Its totally fine that you liked a princess rescue, time travel, game with a very simple plot line, that is easy to understand without any deep thought. I greatly enjoyed it to. But you may want to check your temper when someone offers a constructive counter argument. My advice, being disrespectful like that to ones opinions simply because you disagree, can be seen as immature, and people will judge you as a child and make fun of you. And a respectful goodbye to you sir. tips hat

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+ベラグ ジョン I'm in bad mood because my hand hurts and I can't engage into more discussions because of that, even more now, currently there are big rains where I live and that makes my hand to hurt even more. I don't disagree with you that the damsel in distress is a cliche, but more in a story where it is the main plot. In Chrono Trigger it was more like a reason to chain with the idea of killing the queen to fade with all of the descendants, even Marle. Even you are saying that there's a need of deep thought to understand Cross' story, I honestly think a complex storyline is just an option. School also makes you think, why isn't it fun then? What I think is the worst in case of Cross' story is that lots of times you need to remember other important facts you need consider in order to assimilate one thing with another, but it's so much information, most of them unnecessary, that you can't remember everything you need, so it's not really on deep thought to understand the story, but more on deep remembering. Anyway, I won't continue with this discussion anymore, simply because I can't. Right now when I use my index finger to type, my thumb hurts O_o. If you want, we can continue this discussion with a respectful form, but you will have to wait for my complete recovery.

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+DestinStrider I have to disagree in terms of nostalgia glasses, as someone who didnt get the chance to play either chrono trigger or Chrono Cross up until 2 or so years ago, that game(chrono trigger) is perfect to me, I cant really find a major flaw with it. I like chrono cross much less as a story. However the music is certainly better in cross due to that acoustic section. As for games with large cast, I'd like to see people complain about chrono cross after playing Suikoden II XD lol.

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Yeah, just shut up and let me enjoy the song

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+LuckyDMojo welcome to youtube fuck boy

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+hecatomb while i like this game far more then chrono trigger......i can't deny that you are right lol

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+RoyalGuard503 yes of chrono trigger i full agree haha XD

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Well, that's just like...your opinion man.

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+hecatomb lol Chrono Trigger is a good game but overrated as fuck. Cross was better, stay mad :P

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+holmeszk01 Chrono Cross better - Opinion Chrono Trigger better - Fact!

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+xOmniCloudx No, it's not better. Chrono Trigger was meant to be a RPG for all audiences and was succesfull in that. Chrono Cross meant the same, proof of that is the easy battles, but the game ended up as a Hardcore RPG. Why? Because of the challange of understanding the confusing story. Should I list the other flaws I already listed? The only mad person here is you.

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+Carlo Henrique Valentini Nah it's overrated. Good game but nostalgia blinds people and forces them to give it more depth than it has. Characters really are one dimensional for the most part save Frog and Magus and arguably Robo. CC shits all over it in plot dimensions and replayability as well as most other areas. CT's paper thin, CC's an encyclopedia. Even the series director says he prefers Cross. Stay mad arguing though lol.

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+xOmniCloudx Since BOTH are classic games, nostalgia should be applied for both of them. I played Chrono Trigger around three or four years ago and Cross right after it, not enough to feel nostalgia. Sorry, since you defend Cross, you can't possibly criticize the characters in Trigger. Only the main protagonists in Cross aren't poorly developed, not to mention their particularities in battle, their only differences is their three special attacks, even the weaknesses and strenghts are the same as lots of other ones. If Chrono Trigger's characters are one dimensional, Cross' characters are half of the half dimensional hahahaha. Well, I agree, Cross is an encyclopedia... With thousands of unnecessary info that is just thrown at the player, there's no argue in that, but when there are so many ideas, even though they aren't bad, they end up losing value, and that happens a lot in Cross. Games are games, not encyclopedias. The most important thing in a game is the gameplay, and Trigger's is better because of the immersion cuts and huge backtracking in Cross. Well, if the director said that, bring him here, I'll prove that his opinion is wrong.

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+hecatomb You have to understand that the game itself took a lot from what Xenogears had created years before, and given a lot of the devs from that game had worked on it. Also, it helps that Xenogears' working title was "Chrono Trigger 2". Or if you don't care for a small history lesson, then take this to heart: love them both. They are all we are ever going to get from the "Chrono" series.

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+Dr. Steve Brule wait i thought Xenogears WAS supposed to be Final Fantasy 7, but Hironobu Sakaguchi remade the story

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+SaigaTenshi It was pitched to them as a possible story, but they thought it was too complex and dark to fit into the Final Fantasy meld. They later got to make their own game using the story which became Xenogears. If you want a ridiculously detailed look into the back story of Xenogears then here is a link: http://betweenlifeandgames.com/analyses/history-xenogears-xenosaga-part-1-xenogears/ In there they mention that the working title was "Chrono Trigger 2", which by no means makes it a sequel to that game, but maybe it initially was thought to be.

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yes that "dark" part which they decided to remake the story orseparate Xenogears from Final Fantasy. dunno where i read that, but it was a long time ago

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+SaigaTenshi Who knows, maybe they will incorporate that into the FF7 Remake? Personally, I'd rather have a complete Xenogears, but that's a fucking far cry given Xenoblade's success.

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yeah i noticed that like Xenosaga is kinda part of Xenogears, but sadly its not from Square anymore

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+SaigaTenshi Xenosaga was pretty much the creator's second attempt at making Xenogears. He blew through the budget with Xenogears and didn't make the sales that Square demanded so he split with most of the team and went to Namco. It really wasn't much of a loss splitting from Square (especially around that time given what they did at the turn of the millenium), but unfortunately, even with Namco, his second shot was a waste.

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+ベラグ ジョン I agree. Did your mind blow when you found out who the prophet really is? I thought he looked familiar when I first played cross. He explains everything tying trigger/cross.

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+ベラグ ジョン It would be awesome if I could play that video game someday

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+RoyalGuard503 +hecatomb Can't we all Just Agree CC's music was Amazing>?

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+Cosmic Mind the music is fine, But most of these idiots dont know is chrono trigger will always be the better game.  Not 1 single person has made 1 good point how cross could be better then choro trigger. And if anyone thinks they have a reason, they are complete idiot moron fucktard loser asshats. 

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+DestinStrider you really should make a video of how cross is better then trigger and see how many thumbs down you will get.

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+hecatomb Why are you trying to trollbait?  I could make a video, but I wouldn't try to prove cross being better than trigger.  I would make a video about how Cross wasn't a bad game and people jumped on a bandwagon that it was bad because they wanted to be delivered chrono trigger a second time.

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+DestinStrider I'd honestly enjoy seeing a video that brings forth Chrono Cross's good points, Close to none of my friends even knew it existed, It's shamefully underrated.

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Bait...

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+DestinStrider wordy, but incorrect

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+ShadowSpike94 the intro is just a CGI intro, it doesnt show anything else, like the story, gameplay, or anything else. You shouldnt base a game off a intro.

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+hecatomb I know this is the intro, I meant that I'd like to see some form of a review of this game, I have played it and enjoyed it on my own, but not alot of people know of this game compared to Chrono Trigger. There are close to no reviews of this game at all on youtube.

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+ShadowSpike94 Yeah I agree CT is awesome but CC is as well, the difference between the two is that CC is very underated

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+hecatomb it's, as far as an intro goes, good, with nice music. Chrono Cross is like some kind of epic version of Chrono Trigger, it's got more holes in it; it's like Trigger is 'concise' or something, while Cross is like a flood of stuff that could be seen as either a side element to Trigger, or just it's own thing...my one critique to add here would be that the two games are nearly unconnected; only through some convoluted means are the two games connected but...nevertheless they're both good games, but i think Trigger is even greater. i don't understand how the story to Cross "sucks" though, it's just not totally even...neither is Gravity's Rainbow...but it means nothing, and takes nothing away from the greatness of it. i'd say the same can be said for Chrono Cross, only it's got some flaws like every game does.

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+CynicalBastard im not going to explain to anyone anymore about why how bad the cross story is, cause ive explained it 100 times. 

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+hecatomb By, 100 times, you mean not even once, right?

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+hecatomb  All you've done is give off your opinions while taking them as facts :p

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+fmaster99 lol keep telling yourself that

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+fmaster99 keep telling yourself that

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+hecatomb  Oh already became a parrot, I see, go ahead keep repeating yourself XD

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+fmaster99 keep telling yourself that. 

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+hecatomb my opinion: Trigger have better gameplay and story, Cross have better ambience and arts in general: costume, item, world, songs, etc

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+dgmojojojo Ambience and world? Really?? Look at all the backtracking of that game. Costume I agree, but remember that is related to lots of useless and poorly developed characters. Item? CC only had more of the same of what was already shown in CT.

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there is no perfect game.

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+CynicalBastard your moms a perfect game :)

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ok, young grasshopper.

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+CynicalBastard The less flaws, the better. When you say your game is better even though it's more flawed, you are also saying it's worse.

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LMAO this hecatomb person thinks they're really witty and smart with their retorts when all they're spouting are overused insults xD Also, not reading a person's counterargument destroys anything you're trying to stay in return xD Return when you've gained some intellect, maturity, and probably a pinch of wisdom, child xD

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+Crimson Hybrid lol I like how you think you are smart, just other troll trying to be a try hard, and comes up with no point on why Cross is better the Chrono trigger. 

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+hecatomb Duplicating the format of my previous comment proves how intelligent you are; very eloquently put, my friend. You must be proud :D Here is an award. :^)

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+Crimson Hybrid yes yet havent made 1 good point why cross is better, your just being a troll. 

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Ah, good, good. You're going to repeat that over and over, yes? One sec, I'll go grab a voice recorder for you. Little mousy, I'm sorry I can't humor you. One guy posted all his points about Cross vs. Trigger, but what you did, and I quote, you 'did not bother reading them'. My, my, that's very rude.  If you ask for counterarguments, make sure you read them, alright? :D And do get a better pair of eyes-- it's obvious on the likes who was winning. :) Look at DestinStrider's post. That wonderful thing is one like away from one hundred! :D If you paid attention, you won't be embarrassing yourself this much, you poor cinnamon roll. :c

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Oh, and it's *haven't and *you're, by the way c:

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+Crimson Hybrid ok kid heres your cookie, and a gold star for being a troll. 

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+Crimson Hybrid That +DestinStrider is stupid, all his arguments are completely flawed and the 99 likes only prove how most people are retards. Answering his point, while people look at Trigger with nostalgia glasses, Cross is seen with both nostalgia (it's also a classic) and proctetive glasses, because of the hating it received during its release. Of course it didn't deserve any hating, you can even like more Cross, but if you think Chrono Cross is better than Trigger, then you have severe issues and should go see the doctor.

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+Carlo Henrique Valentini If you're going to go and call someone stupid, it would be a good idea to make a point. It would also be a good idea to actually read what the person you're calling stupid had said.  Insults are one thing.  Baseless insults that then don't actually say anything are just completely pointless.  I mean really, what was that?  A random childish lash out that happened as a result of you thinking I'm bashing on one of your favorite games?   I mean hell, the second sentence of my post says *CT WAS GOOD*.  And what the hell are "protective glasses"?  Cross had a huge negative reaction, and it's quite clear that people still think the same way today. All I had said is that Trigger isn't beyond similar criticisms that Cross is.  I didn't even make a statement that one was better than the other.  However, I would say that if we were looking at it on a narrative level only, Cross is better.  If I was to analyze them both as games, I'd probably say Trigger is better.  But I wouldn't put Cross too far behind it.

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+DestinStrider Ok, let me reply your initial post them. "Yes, many of the characters were pretty one dimensional.  Ayla is a good example, actually.  In what way did she actually change or make a big development as a character?" Why is there a need to exist a change? That wasn't what the game wanted or needed, and even though Ayla is one of the last recruited character, she is indeed a well developed character because of what is shown about her in the first time you go to 65 million BC. She shows very well how primitive her people is comparing to the reptetites who are a more developed and older race. There is also her inocent friendship that becomes love to Kino, her great physicall strenght that is very well related to her stereotype. Cross' characters are a shame, only the main protagonists are well developed, what is shown of all the others is a single trace of personality or a family relationship to unlock their final techs, Trigger has much more than that in its elements. "she gets up and fucking repairs a robot she should know nothing about" If you want, you can think about reasons to why she knows how to fix Robbo. What if the technology she developed with her father ended up being the origin of all the technology in the future? Or what if the game only wanted to show how genius she is, giving her somewhat a Chuck Norris resemblance? "A lot of Cross' characters are actually great.  And I'd say you're exaggerating how "useless or pointless" they are.  Very few of Cross' characters are completely pointless." No, most of them are pointless, not only in means of narrative but also gameplay. They don't influence anything on the story, it's all about Serge, Kid, Lynx and Harle. They only have a very small talk when they are recruited, and also another talk when they meet they other selves in the opposing world. Most of the characters don't bring any new content to the story, the game even shows a pointless relation between Luccia and Lucca and that little martian to be useful to enter the Dinopolis, and that's all there is to it. When it comes to gameplay, they are just terrible, most of them have the very same weaknesses and strengths as lots of other characters, the only thing that makes them different is their three special attacks, that are also very similar to those of other characters. "And what the hell are "protective glasses"?" I like Chrono Cross and it shouldn't have received all the hating it received, but that caused fans to become discontent with the critics and overprotect it. " However, I would say that if we were looking at it on a narrative level only, Cross is better" Why? Because it is more complex? Nonsense!  It has indeed more content, but that doesn't make the narrative better, the very opposite, to be honest. The more the ideas are randomly thrown to the player, the more the ideas lose their strenght. What I want to say is that Cross creates lots of things, but doesn't developed what is created. In fact some ideas are only shown to trouble the player while he is assimilating another idea that was shown some where before, breaking his logic and turning the game very convoluted. Trigger had amazing concepts and plottwists: You end up being the hero of the event you were celebrating in the beginning, the knife Melchior gives you to destroy the Mammon Machine end up turning into the Masamune you used early, Janus ends up being Magus. The only intelligent thing in Cross is the Dead Sea, which all the futures that aren't decided go. All the rest is just random and poorly developed content which only make the narrative confusing.

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+Carlo Henrique Valentini "Why is there a need to exist a change?" There doesn't, but it's hardly a complex narrative worthy of all kinds of praise. Considering I was responding to a comment that implied Chrono Trigger's characters WEREN'T flat and one dimensional, but saying CCs were, I think it's a fair point to make. The rest of your post still doesn't really show evidence of any development. You honestly can't praise Trigger in this department. Were the characters fun archetypes? Yes, they were. Were they complex, interesting and motivating? Not really with exception to maybe Magus and Frog. This is like praising 300 for being a movie of masterful storytelling with very interesting characters. It wasn't. It was an entertaining movie with fantastic direction and amazing visuals and action sequences. "If you want, you can think about reasons to why she knows how to fix Robbo. What if the technology she developed with her father ended up being the origin of all the technology in the future? Or what if the game only wanted to show how genius she is, giving her somewhat a Chuck Norris resemblance?" If it's all based off of her technology, I would ask why we don't get to learn that, and why there are absolutely 0 references to this. It's one thing to leave something open to interpretation and fan theory - give us some clues to bite at and think about. It's another thing to just not explain something at all. And if it were the second thing, I would ask why? Why do we need to establish Lucca as a mega-super-omnipotent genius? If anything, an infallible character is a weaker character. "No, most of them are pointless, not only in means of narrative but also gameplay. They don't influence anything on the story, it's all about Serge, Kid, Lynx and Harle." Again, this is a completely flawed argument, and I've already explained why. It's assuming that you have to deeply relate to every character for that character to have a purpose. That's just flat out incorrect. There are plenty of amazing games, movies and stories out there that have plenty of side characters (Ever played Suikoden II? One of the best PSX Games out there), but the reader will only deeply get to know one or two. Those characters aren't less important, because most of the time, they're pivotal to that main character's change. Such is the case in CC - almost all of the characters end up reflecting back on Serge and building him as a character. "but that caused fans to become discontent with the critics and overprotect it." Clearly it didn't, because the popular opinion is that Cross was a bad game. "Why? Because it is more complex? Nonsense! " No, because the characters that were developed were better developed than CT's. The two worlds felt fleshed out and complete, unlike CT's time periods. Several plot twists don't make a compelling narrative. In fact, one can make a great story that has no twist. That said, nothing in CT felt that surprising to me. It was fairly clear that Magus wasn't being evil just to be evil. Melchior was so undeveloped that it wasn't really a twist - it was very clear the knife would be important. Etc. These aren't intelligent twists, they're tiny throwaways to make the player realize that their actions are having consequences on the timeline. CC was a different beast entirely, because instead of having people travel through time and save the world, it was asking the question, "What happens after a timeline has been completely changed?"

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+DestinStrider "The rest of your post still doesn't really show evidence of any development. You honestly can't praise Trigger in this department. Were the characters fun archetypes? "  I just mentioned the less developed character, Robbo, Lucca and Marle were developed too. Each one of them have their own characteristics, only Crono receive almost no development, but because he carries the silent protagonist archetype so that he wouldn't do anything the player would consider weird. "Yes, they were. Were they complex, interesting and motivating? Not really with exception to maybe Magus and Frog." Complex doesn't mean good. If they are interesting and motivating, it's completely subjective to each player. What if I thing they are motivating and interesting? Depends on your experience with them. "If it's all based off of her technology, I would ask why we don't get to learn that, and why there are absolutely 0 references to this. It's one thing to leave something open to interpretation and fan theory - give us some clues to bite at and think about." Maybe I'm wrong with that interpretation, but you have to remember Lucca wasn't trying to build a robot, but only repairing one. If she could make a teleport machine with the technology of the past, why couldn't she only repair a robot with the technology of the future? Maybe she could learn with the robot's architeture and repair it by following the reference. "And if it were the second thing, I would ask why? Why do we need to establish Lucca as a mega-super-omnipotent genius? If anything, an infallible character is a weaker character." Because of the accident with her mother in the past, it's more reason than enough for her to follow the steps of her father (who is also a genius, taught her everything) and try to create something that could help her save Lara, which actually happens later in the game. Not by her, of course, but proves that the event with her mother are important. "There are plenty of amazing games, movies and stories out there that have plenty of side characters (Ever played Suikoden II? One of the best PSX Games out there), but the reader will only deeply get to know one or two." Thanks for remembering of Suikoden, there are more than the double of characters there than in CC, and they join the party in less senseless ways than in CC. "Those characters aren't less important, because most of the time, they're pivotal to that main character's change. Such is the case in CC - almost all of the characters end up reflecting back on Serge and building him as a character." There are other ways to develop a protagonist better, events, concepts, you name it. A useless character is always a flaw, it wastes the chance of introducing creative content and even talent of who created (or played) it. And what you said, "reflecting back on Serge and building him as a character" never really happens, they only have relevant talks when they get the last special tech, because most of them don't even have important reasons to join the party. For the game itself they only have random speeches that are chosen depending on who you have in the party, you only need one character for that, not dozens. "Clearly it didn't, because the popular opinion is that Cross was a bad game." I'm not saying the fans are wrong in doing that, CC is indeed a very good game. But the hating started because CC is very different of CT, and lots of players are too dumb and moron so they confuse taste for opinion. "No, because the characters that were developed were better developed than CT's." Narrative is not the same thing as character development, one is the sequence of events, the other is characteristics of the cast. Both are creative content, but they aren't the same thing. And it's debatable which has better development, remember both games have very different formats. CT is a 15 hour game, CC is 60 hour, which one depends on more content? In CT, 90% of the main party is developed. In CC, only 10%. Do you really think CC's characters have better development? "Several plot twists don't make a compelling narrative. In fact, one can make a great story that has no twist." Agreed, but the ideas in CT were so accurate and developed that the plottwists turned out to be excelent, if they weren't, they'd end up as failure. "That said, nothing in CT felt that surprising to me. It was fairly clear that Magus wasn't being evil just to be evil. Melchior was so undeveloped that it wasn't really a twist - it was very clear the knife would be important. Etc." Surprising is subjective, it may have not been for you, but for me it was so great I even got surprised by the second time I played, you cannot put that as a flaw of the game, and not even me as something good. It wasn't about Melchior, it was about Masamune, that is so important for the game that you see the characters that form it, you find the materials to forge it and plays an important role in Frog's plot. "The two worlds felt fleshed out and complete, unlike CT's time periods." No, they didn't. The two worlds are so similar in CC that most of the places are absolutely equal, causing the huge backtracking which is one of the biggest problems of the game. In CT the periods sometimes have more locations than in CC, and their designs make perfect sense considering their years. Some became ruins, others don't exist anymore, etc. "These aren't intelligent twists, they're tiny throwaways to make the player realize that their actions are having consequences on the timeline." Yes, they are intelligent because they make good use of the time traveling feature, making it something really needed for the game and not a useless element. "CC was a different beast entirely, because instead of having people travel through time and save the world, it was asking the question, "What happens after a timeline has been completely changed?"" Again, that alone is completely subjective, you can like it, but some people wont. You can't say it's a flaw, neither other people say it's something good. If you want to know, I liked.

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To be honest, it's not worth continuing this conversation.  Not because I have nothing to say, but you keep arguing on grounds of subjectivity while constantly making points that are subjective in and of themselves. For example: "There are other ways to develop a protagonist better, events, concepts, you name it. A useless character is always a flaw, it wastes the chance of introducing creative content and even talent of who created (or played) it." I don't think either way is objectively better. "And it's debatable which has better development, remember both games have very different formats." Exactly, and in my opinion CC did it better. "Agreed, but the ideas in CT were so accurate and developed that the plottwists turned out to be excelent, if they weren't, they'd end up as failure. " I wholeheartedly disagree.  I thought they were pretty easily predicted and overall not very interesting. "Yes, they are intelligent because they make good use of the time traveling feature, making it something really needed for the game and not a useless element. " I don't think so.  I think time travel in and of itself is what the game was based around, and adding random "twists" isn't needed.  Either way, they ended up just being plot points. Etc. The point is - They were both good games.  My reply was to a guy who said that CC was a terrible game and that CT was so much better.  I simply told him that he was looking back at CT with nostalgia glasses and that both games were good.  You took this to mean I thought CC was better (which I don't) then called me an idiot, whilst telling me all arguments are subjective, whilst making arguments that literally are opinion based.  It's really not worth continuing. In the end, they're both good games, and CT was not a godsend game, nor was CC a shitfest.

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+hecatomb Fix your stupid grammar.

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+Lee Ifurung fix your stupid brain 

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+hecatomb Yeah, while I do like all of the character options, it gets messy and feels like it strays from the plot. The story, while itself is pretty good, it just has too many plot holes and weird shit that doesn't make sense, causing yourself to over theorize and delve too deep. It's just too much. Trigger is superior in every way. Fanboys can suck my drippy anus.

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+Kurzom Bry no one remembers like 95% of of the characters in Cross, yet some reason everyone can remember every character in chrono trigger. Wonder why 

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+hecatomb Wow. Almost one year since your first post - And you're still the same ignorant, little brat. Amazing. You haven'T noticed by now how people gave you valid arguements and you've been just insulting them? Hahaha, I swear, kids like you are amusing as fuck to watch.

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+EtherealRune i know right? Once replied to his comment and now once in awhile i have to see his hilarious reply: still sad as always. Which game is better is vary according to taste. Period. This guy right here i think skipped the part where the human brain should evolved i think.

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+EtherealRune and you are still as dumb as ever I see, good job you are a 100% pleb. 

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+dgmojojojo good to see you turned into a complete fucking idiot. Like you dont even read post, dont even listen to logic, its like you enjoy being a dumb ass. 

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+hecatomb I would agree with you, In my eyes Trigger is the better of the two games, however your attitude stinks friend. If you're going to lose an argument, at least lose with some dignity rather than a whining child.

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+Spencer Kelly yup and people calling me idiot are real mature. Rolls eyes. Shut the fuck up.

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+hecatomb On a level of maturity, you're definitely in a losing battle, regardless of who agrees with you from who doesn't.

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"I don't have a legitimate argument.  If you try to argue with me at all, you're immature.  Even if I call you a pleb, complete fucking idiot, fuck boy, troll and then tell you that I've slept with your mom and to kill yourself."   That's essentially what I see from you.   So instead of that, why don't I just block you from the channel/video.  Feels like it would solve both problems.  Peace.

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+DestinStrider well said

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+hecatomb so dumb how people are comparing like that and ok

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I still don't see a reason as to why people bash chrono cross only because it's the successor of chrono trigger. The game is an amazing rpg, But if you always compare the two of them, obviously your personal favorite is gonna leave the other game in the dust, can't people like both of the games?

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+hecatomb Stating that one game is simply "Better" is kinda small minded though, It's all personal opinions. Chrono Cross could be considered factually better because it got developed with newer systems but people will still say Chrono Trigger is better because they like that game more than cross. I just feel like cross get alot of unnecessary hate simply for being a successor to trigger, instead of people viewing it as a standalone title for what it's worth.

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+hecatomb The thing about games like E.T is that those games are a broken mess mechanically which is completely justifiable, not a mess due to story and characters as they are matters based on subjective opinions. Some people hate a specific character, others love that character, Some hate the story, some love the story, See where I'm getting at?

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+hecatomb While i'm not agreeing with anything you're saying at all, i'm starting to see where you're coming from. But then here's my deal, I really love this game as it was one of the first jrpg's I played and in my humble opinion it's one of the greatest rpg games i've had the pleasure to play. I remember putting down days trying to get as many followers as I could,Getting the clown skeleton etc. And guess what, I genuinely liked most of the characters you got on your party, They all had a certain charm to them, but because there were so many of them the game didn't have time to forge complex storylines for each and every one of them.

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so what do you guys think of xenogears then

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aww, but xenogears was so deep, I'm watching a video from Terracorrupt as explains the story behind xenogears and also has a video with chrono gear and cross. That said parasite eve wasn't that long. I remember beating it in 18-20 hours.

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+Dazooe J Never got to play Xenogears, is it available on the psn? or should I resort to using emulation?

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I resorted to emulator because Xenogear can not be bought in australia

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that said, Xenogear would have made one hell of a final fantasy game as it was originally plan

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+hecatomb Compared to CT, every RPG comes up short. It's like saying a boxer sucks because he isn't Mike Tyson.

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+hecatomb Didn't feel like reading 170 comments to find out if others had discussed it.

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+hecatomb we do't think cross is better than trigger, we are just saiyng that the character are one dimensional it's not bad to have simple characters, most of the characters in steven universe are simple and we love them anyway, even the ones that don't contribute in anything to the story, example: burgerpants that a game, book or movie have an incredible story, doesn't mean the characters would be that amazing or that well developed if you love the characters, good for you, but they are kinda bland... and if you think that anyone could love a bland character just look at all the people who liked twlight in other news, until now you don't give any good point to your argument, you just assume you are right, if you can' argue with anyone and doesn't even tke time to hear others opinions..well the only idiot that will appear in this comment section..is you

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+hecatomb The fact that you're swearing and insulting everyone shows that you have no argument. Sorry to say, but you lost on that one. I know, sometimes it's hard to handle the truthz

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+hecatomb Wait a minute...why are you commenting on this video? Did you purposely go out of your way for this?

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+hecatomb Wait a minute...why are you commenting on this video? Did you purposely go out of your way for this?

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+hecatomb "every Chrono Trigger character had a backstory and a big part in the story" did you forget about Ayla? did you forget that Robo has about no screen-time? maybe that Marle doesn't even have character development besides her stupid overused princess drama?

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Oh my goodness, this is still going on? The moral of the story kids: Don't f*ck with Trigger extremists!

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+Carlo Henrique Valentini Um no,to think that Chrono Cross/Trigger is better is an OPINION and not a fact you little fanboy.

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after reading a lot of your post and people post around here i really need to get on to play chrono cross, to bad is just not on psn europe

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I see cross and trigger to be equals.. I'm glad cross is different from trigger or else I wouldn't have enjoyed it as much.

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I think they're equal. The story is super good in Chrono Cross... you just need to look into it a bit deeper. Also, most of the characters are strong, and they all have great personalities.

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I really agree with that. I like this game.. a lot but it's not chrono trigger. It's like this game wanted to be as good as chrono trigger and almost succeeded but its like trying to force a square peg into a round hole. It kind of fits but not really. It's still a really good game though

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Chrono Trigger is still my favorite game. Ever. Second is Earthbound.

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+Vein Rigor out of curosity what about mother 3?

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+Matthew Etter tips fedora Heh... Good to know you finally gave up kiddo... I'll spare your life... for now... go back to Reddit while you still can, m'boy.

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+Chris Jackson It would appear I struck a nerve.

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Actually video games have always been made with the intent of making money, no company actively makes a video game with the intent to make no money.

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+Matthew Etter Key word "ALONE", as in, their main purpose was not simply to just Jew money out of people like what free-to-play games do, for instance.

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+Chris Jackson I'm unaware of any games that require actual monetary transactions outside of the initial one to get the full enjoyment of the game, companies have stated that around 90% of transactions are made by 10% of the player base - it's essentially harmless. Sounds to me like you have your fedora on too tight

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+Matthew Etter Dungeon Keeper, NHL 12 and 13, FIFA 14 and 15, NBA 2K14, Angry Birds 2, Castlevania: Lords of the Shadows, Need For Speed Online, Allods Online... Needs I say more? Some games are fucked up by micro-transactions. If the game cannot be fully enjoyed without paying extra money after purchase, then that's a bad sign; if you're a casual then you probably won't care, but the ones that more money to companies are us gamers. Also, remember when Asura's Wrath ending was locked behind DLC? Yeah, sure, there aren't any games that were messed up because of DLC, am I right?

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+Chris Jackson Ahh I found the problem - all these games are fucking shit.

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+Matthew Etter Nice subjective argument you got there bro. Also, they're probably shit because of the micro-transactions, as I said.

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+Chris Jackson Well I'm not a rabid fedora tipper crying fowl about the alleged "fall of video games" so I could give a fuck. Some of the best games have been released in the past 6 years.

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+Matthew Etter Who cried about the fall of video games? There's still hope; Bayonetta 2 was released in the past 6 years, and it is an AMAZING game, and its costumes, which people assumed were going to be locked behind a paywall, are completely free. To me it seems like you're just projecting.

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+Chris Jackson I probably am projecting mainly because at the start your fedora was on too tight, either way I couldn't care less about micro transactions.

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+Matthew Etter tips fedora Heh... Good to know you finally gave up kiddo... I'll spare your life... for now... go back to Reddit while you still can, m'boy.

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+Chris Jackson It would appear I struck a nerve.

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The story is a mess The system is too broken Yes yes and yes all of those are true But Chrono cross has the aspects that always be remembered, the outstanding OST and the beautiful aesthetic art To me CC is not a game, it's a book, it's a play, it's a story your parents tell you before to bed

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Chrono Cross battle system is unique and is actually really fun. I feel like most of the people who criticize it are people who don't get it or haven't played the game. The story I think is really cool but it definitely could've been presented better.

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Chrono Cross is great though. it isn't some fanfiction type bs that GT was to DBZ and DB

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The story is a mess The system is too broken Yes yes and yes all of those are true But Chrono cross has the aspects that always be remembered, the outstanding OST and the beautiful aesthetic art To me CC is not a game, it's a book, it's a play, it's a story your parents tell you before to bed

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Chrono Cross battle system is unique and is actually really fun. I feel like most of the people who criticize it are people who don't get it or haven't played the game. The story I think is really cool but it definitely could've been presented better.

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Its both Time's Scar and Scars of Time , depends on whether your looking at the jap or eng soundtrack

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scars of time

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scars of time.

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+DestinStrider should be Time's Scar, actually..

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+Aynessa Valerion I've heard it both ways. That's the problem with translations.

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+Luiz Lima (Z. LIMA) the direct translation is scars of time, but the american version is titled time's scar. japanese never translates perfectly with english

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+Christopher Hall Well if you think about it... those are identical. If I say Jim's Home or The Home of Jim... it's really the exact same thing. It's up to the translator to decide which one they call it.

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+Luiz Lima (Z. LIMA) Scars Left by Time

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Darude Sandstorm

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Scars Left By Time

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Toki no Kizuato

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+Christopher Hall, is it the TIME who have scars on itself, or it was the Time who scarred SOMEONE?

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+Marcelo de Assis All of the translations point to scars that time leaves on everyone and everything.

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+Marcelo de Assis ....yes

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Its both Time's Scar and Scars of Time , depends on whether your looking at the jap or eng soundtrack

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scars of time

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