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9 hours of "unpaid, voluntary training" that acts as a second interview for a job? (PA) (self.legaladvice)

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I interviewed for a job at a coffee place and did well at the first interview.

The owner contacted me wanting me to do 3 shifts of 3 hours each. However, these are to be unpaid.

I told her I was uncomfortable with this and that i thought that is illegal. She responded that this is volunteer training, this acts as the second interview, and is legal in every way.

Specifically, she's saying I am a volunteer for those 9 hours and that the shop then hires their staff from their volunteers. The shop has a community building, social justice angle to the whole thing if that makes the volunteer angle any more believable.

I told her I'm not working 9 unpaid hours for a barista position that pays under $10/hour. I'm just wondering if what she's doing is actually legal.

This is in Pennsylvania.

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[–]kinkakinka 102ポイント103ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should report them to the labor board even though you're not taking the job. This is all kinds of not ok.

[–]swalsh411Quality Contributor 62ポイント63ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is no such thing as "volunteer training", at least not legally. . A limited skills test, like how well you know Excel, wouldn't have to be paid, but if you're performing job functions (even if just learning) that is still time worked and must be paid.

[–]lucasva 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, not legal at all.

[–]TheActualAWdeV 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol, more like 9 hours of free labour. Odds are you do the work and then, amazingly, don't get hired.

[–]ecafyelims 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, that's why the boss said it's the second interview. He just needs extra work horses for the busy hours.

[–]WeylandTheDwarf 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

For the lawyers, could OP work the 9 hours and then file a wage complaint for minimum wage for that time if they aren't hired?

[–]bazilbt 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

That would be extremely satisfying if true

[–]gingerbreaddan 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would also like to know the answer to this.

[–]WeylandTheDwarf 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It would certainly be petty, but I have applied to companies that reimbursed mileage and food costs specifically for the payment in my most desperate of times. I could see someone needing it badly enough to do so.

[–]CyberTractor 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

Coffee shops do not need 9 hours of voluntary, unpaid training. Its a freaking coffee shop.

Report them to the labor board.

[–]slapdashbr 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seriously. Jesus christ I got hired as a design engineer after a 1-hour phone interview (granted, this project is just as disorganized as that would imply)

[–]CyberTractor 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I worked with exports and imports to the Middle East and had a 15 minute training on ITAR, which is basically a huge list of do's and don'ts for dealing with imports/exports/embargos and crap like that.

[–]slapdashbr 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol holy shit yeah that stuff is a mess.

I did about a full 8 hours of training during my first week on this job. It was billed to the training budget. I was paid for every minute of my time.

Training is part of the job and you always get paid for it.

[–]bastionfour 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

Are they a non-profit coffee shop?

[–]GettinPaidNowWhat[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to my knowledge. They're website doesn't say anything about that and neither did any of their info sheets they gave me.

[–]CyberTractor 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

How would that matter? A non-profit still pays its employees.

[–]sugarmagzz 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think they're thinking of that coffee shop someone was asking about a few days ago. All the employees are "volunteers" and they crowdfund rent money.

[–]billythesid 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because non-profits can get away with more when it comes to unpaid labor (volunteers and interns).

[–]passwordsarehard_3 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Illegal, hands down. http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=15c1f1fb-917b-40a4-a308-f115c566ba2c

[–]johnnyworker 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Engineers are hired quicker than baristas?

[–]TripleUltraMini 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe? I'd say it depends on experience level.

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[–]rootless 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This sounds like a racket. I wonder what percentage of people who go through this "training" actually get hired.

[–]mkizys 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have something similar going on with a sales job, they say it a 2nd interview where I go out with a salesman and shadow them. Would they need to pay me?

[–]TheProphecyIsNigh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

NAL but worked many sales jobs in my past. That is considering training and should be paid on your first check.

[–]CuriousGeorgiLaForge -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Big story in Canada today: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-restaurant-unpaid-work-1.3827028

It's a scummy practice, and sadly, very legal in SOME parts of the US and Canada.