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[–]1JamesSkepp 67ポイント68ポイント  (0子コメント)

The insights on "how a woman sees a man and the world" are amazing.

[–]clonegreen 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

My first day to day interactions with a woman was my first girlfriend, and I never could understand the lack of logic at times. There were stages of overwhelming emotion that flooded their being which was childish.

It makes sense that estrogen is the root cause of this. It's hard to blame women as it's beyond their own control.

[–]jeezydasnowman 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Quick comment on the mundane conversations between women - its as therapeutic/refreshing to them as it is when you and your boy/boys have a great conversation.

It's why they can have girls nights where all they do is watch TV and gossip and they glow with happiness afterwards and as men we just roll our eyes. That's how they do us when we talk sports/tech/cars etc.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe 53ポイント54ポイント  (1子コメント)

 

This is an example of:

 

Kill the Beta

 

...on an "epic" scale.

You literally went full beta and are coming back again.

Great job... keep "killing it" and improving.

(read the entire text)

 

Plus...

You might watch the old series "Brideshead Revisited".

https://youtu.be/sD0nrC-vfaY

It deals with "Charles" who goes through the entire process from wanting "something" of a beta type nature as a young man and eventually realizing later in life that it was all an illusion. He becomes Red Pill in the end... understanding the big picture.

 

[–]throw17453[S] 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Succinctly put. The thought has crossed my mind too, I don't so much have to kill the beta, as nuke it.

[–]TheEagleAndTheSnake 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

This was the single most interesting post I have read in here in quite a time. Thanks for sharing your experiences. On powertalk, did it come to you naturally through your newly gained empathy?

[–]throw17453[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

The increased empathy definitely helped. To be blunt so did finding this place, observing the way women talked sometimes, or just people generally, it was like I could see unspoken aspects and dynamics to interactions in a way I just didn't before. Understanding how people manipulate was also something I was interested in.

When I was living as a girl I had known for a while that I had personality traits that were susceptible to people with dark triad traits, - trusting, honest and people pleasing - however I am intelligent and perceptive enough to offset those, and now a lot more more selective with honesty and trust than I used to be. Also no longer people please, that trait was just born from wanting people to like me. Giving zero fucks about that actually makes people like you more, because you engage with them genuinely, without neediness.

[–]TheEagleAndTheSnake 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Popularity is much like gravity, the larger you are, the more you have. The more time you spend orbiting someone else's gravitational field, the less time you have to make yourself large.

[–]2Heathcliff-- 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well done for overcoming the mental illness dude. Glad to have you back.

[–]Trodjinn 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

My close friend has made the transition from Male to Female and her insights as fascinating. I may ask her to write a complementary post since more is always better.

Thanks a ton for sharing your experience--this is deep, special, and powerful insight that validates a lot of the TRP concepts that we discuss.

[–]nakedcups 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would like to read that post.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 5ポイント6ポイント  (15子コメント)

Sometimes you will just look at a guy and have “He could do things to me…” thoughts.

This one really makes me curious. You see I know exactly what you're talking about. I know girls look at it likes this, I've been told before.

But the problem is that this basically comes down to perception. I think women (estrogen) with swirling emotions are especially subject to perception. To make a comparison, women consider a loud mouth the most likely to be a strong fighter. Yet all the exceptional brawlers I know are strong silent types. Not in an shy/anti social way, they just don't feel compelled to prove themselves. The ultimate form of confidence if you will.

If you have got it, don't flaunt it Even the most bad ass society in human history, the Spartans followed this mantra.

Women will believe any perception popular belief will instill on them. The 'BBC' for example, which is completely false. White men are equally capable of being large, yet women believe this dumb myth.

So what triggered this 'feeling' inside of you?

Sex, and sexual feelings also change. The whole aspect becomes far more emotional than physical. Much more about bonding and connecting with someone, sharing something special, than “Im aroused and want to fuck//get fucked”. My suspicion is oxytocin becomes far more involved.

There you have it gentlemen, another example of female behavior being completely different than the belief of "Women want Alpha Cock". No, they want Alpha Everything.

It's extremely easy to tell yourself that every women wants sex just the same way you want. Because this buffers you against rejection. She's a slut who just wants to get fucked right? She gave it to allot of men so why shouldn't she give it to you.

This false belief is whats still keeping allot of Red Pillers semi plugged in. They fail to understand the inner functions of femininity and which goals drives them.

[–]throw17453[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (14子コメント)

So what triggered this 'feeling' inside of you?

Usually it would just be physical characteristics - tall, strong, coupled with how he's holding himself, or the way I've observed him interact. A guy who is strong, reserved, has presence, and holds himself well, observes the world around him, gives off signs of dominance and control. Also if I could tell a guy was interested in me, and had those above characteristics, then I would feel that way.

There you have it gentlemen, another example of female behavior being completely different than the belief of "Women want Alpha Cock". No, they want Alpha Everything. - This false belief is whats still keeping allot of Red Pillers semi plugged in. They fail to understand the inner functions of femininity and which goals drives them.

You understand this well. I don't know if my past feelings and experiences on this will be typical of most, or any girls. But I suspect they are. They want to feel used, sexual, taken on a journey... in the arms of someone who loves, cares and protects them, but who also has the potenial to harm, push or abuse them. Have enough trust to be fully vulnerable... but on some levels this is terrifying, you know just how impressionable, and vulnerable you become once you reach a certain point of trust, intimacy and desire with a guy. You get to a point where he could do almost anything he wants with you - you've given yourself to him. Allowing yourself to be this way with the wrong person could potentially scar you deeply.

Now my understanding of sex back then, something special and emotional, bonding, that you share. I think if I were to have engage in casual sex, or just frequent partners.... quite quickly the emotional aspects of it would be seperated, and it may no longer have been about that.

The more partners a girl is with, and experiences she has, I could imagine chasing the cock carousel, and giving sex up to anyone who can play her emotions... on some level she is damaged, maybe looking to relive past experiences (alpha widowed) or just uses sex to deal with emotional trauma. Or, as you say have perceptions that are easily swayed and when a guy gives them tingles, they will hamster this desire into thinking he would be good for them, even if they have not gotten to know him well enough to be sure.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1ポイント2ポイント  (13子コメント)

Usually it would just be physical characteristics - tall, strong, coupled with how he's holding himself, or the way I've observed him interact.

This one always confused me, since I'm around guys who are generally all tall and strong in a normal sense like me (6'1-6'3, 180-190lbs). So do women have this perception about all of us? Or are we talking even taller/bigger (I know guys who are 7' for example) or only the tallest/biggest?

Personally I know men have comparable ideas about curvy women with the biggest breasts/roundest ass/widest hips but for this does have limits. There's an exact breaking point where I stop considering what 'it would be like' and just consider her a freak of nature. But at the end of the day I think men (ironically) take in the whole girl (looks, shape, curves, skin, height etc) and judge from that point.

[–]throw17453[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

If you are tall, muscular and hold yourself well then women will be having those thoughts about you.

Some of it is attitude too, and its a harder thing to explain, but if a guy has a dangerous or adventurous look about him, or is wearing a top that shows off his muscular arms, or tattoo which accentuates // draws the eye there. Masculine facial features too.

To be honest I very much had a type of guy I was attracted to, so it could be as simple as, if I found him attractive, I would have "he could do things to me...." thoughts. But I also had those thoughts about guys I would not have been with, maybe because of intelligence gap or I sensed he would not be good to be with. But it probably is just a combination of masculine, tall, strong + dangerous // adventurous // dominant attitude.

Some of this plays into the darker side of submission, desires, attraction etc. Feminine sexual desire is quite capable of making you feel very attracted to things that would not be good for you, for example a guy who looks or acts dangerously - for me this would have been a no, but it doesnt mean I wouldn't on some level find it attractive and desirable, and might have those kind of thoughts about the person.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

It's weird you as an actual male experienced such a likeness to female behavior. Though what I really meant was that I'm curious how women perceive attraction and fantasize. Like I said, me and my friends all stand at around 6'2 which is pretty much the average height where I'm from. So although we can be considered tall and muscular, we're nothing special. Some have the attitude you describe.

What I'm getting at though is would a woman fantasize about all of us or only the tallest/biggest. Or do those thoughts amplify the taller/bigger a guy is. For example, would a girl have a heavier reaction to a friend of mine who's 7' and 280 lbs.

Simply put, is it a matter of "biggest/tallest" in the room or does the attraction scale up the bigger and taller a guy gets without it having any limits?

The more I discover about female attraction the shallower it appears imo. With guys it's completely different, most guys I know stop looking after a girl hits D cups and size 42. Anything beyond that is just to much and weird. Not only that but most of us have preferences. Some guys like smaller asses other like bigger ones, then you have the dudes who like big breast while others like more proportional rounder ones. Attraction cannot be scaled with men, we do have the HB1-10 range but this usually points to facial features, low body fat, hip to waist ratio etc.

[–]throw17453[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

What I'm getting at though is would a woman fantasize about all of us or only the tallest/biggest. Or do those thoughts amplify the taller/bigger a guy is. For example, would a girl have a heavier reaction to a friend of mine who's 7' and 280 lbs.

On some level the biggest, strongest, "leader of the pack" style guy might be the focus of initial fantasising. Just on a neuro-biological level I suspect there is a draw toward that for female attraction.

Does it have a limit, in terms of size, and height? I think yes - at some points it would just be too much and not as attractive. Where exactly that happens might depend on the girl and her preferences. In the same way you described for female aesthetics.

In terms of fantasising, I tended to focus on one guy. And one of the most attractive things, ignoring all the physical aspects, is if I get a strong sense that a guy desires me. Women crave the desire of men, when a guy who you feel attracted to displays it, it can be completely disarming, and just send your mind into a very emotional // sexual state.

So take your example of a group of guys, all tall and strong, but some varying aspects to looks, height, personality. If I get the feeling that one is very attracted to me, either from eye contact, or he comes and talks to me, especially if he touches (escalation is a powerful drug for a girl) - and he is direct with the attraction - then simply put he's the one im fantasising about. He's the one who's on my mind later on.

Now there is some nuance to that, a guy who shows conflicting signs of interest - the whole negging, teasing, push//pull - could easily evoke those same feelings and do so as, if not more, strongly.

The more I discover about female attraction the shallower it appears imo.

I'd say yes and no. Some of the more instinctual aspects of attraction are incredibly shallow for women... but on some biological level attraction itself is very shallow - does this guy have the right combination of looks - attitude and game to make me feel attracted. or for guys - does this girl have the right looks to make me want to fuck her.

For women it is more shallow because a lot it is emotional, she can go from very attracted... to not sure... to disinterested... back to mind dizzyingly aroused, all based on how a guy makes her feel.

The two guys I became close with during this all followed the same basic pattern - tall, muscular, intelligent, dominant, experienced and successful with women, but also interested in trans girls. They simply put found me attractive for my looks, and I found them attractive from a combination of looks, attitude and game. From here though, a quite shallow level of attraction, we got closer learned more about each other, connected intellectually and shared experiences.

However, due to some of the shallower aspects of female attraction, branch swinging, how influenced it can be by emotion and therefore unstable, hypergamy etc. etc. forming deeper relationships becomes a risk, because when they go wrong it can leave people hurt, and often the reason for them going wrong is women not tempering the shallowness of their attractions//behaviours.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Damn insightful stuff, I always wondered how that worked with women. It's been discussed on TRP but so far it's only been conjecture. I never considered me or any of my friends short but when some 7 footer stands next to you then even a normal tall guy appears so. But this does look extreme to me in the same way going above DD cups would be for women.

forming deeper relationships becomes a risk, because when they go wrong it can leave people hurt

From everything I've seen and read it's usually the guy that has to take the burn.

and often the reason for them going wrong is women not tempering the shallowness of their attractions//behaviours.

Interesting, what makes you say that? Sometimes I wonder if women realize that men temper their own shallowness in order to be with them. I dated and plated this thick looking girl which I thought I liked for her personality. But her body was very average if not bellow. Eventually she jumped ship for the exact shallow attraction you just described.

It made me reconsider my own tempering. It just doesn't seem worth the self control. This comes back to the way modern western women are raised and entitled. You will have HB6's act like completely hotshots and hurt everyone around them. Only to get pumped and dumped by Chad.

[–]throw17453[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

I never considered me or any of my friends short but when some 7 footer stands next to you then even a normal tall guy appears so.

Everything is relative, if you are 6'1 - 6'3 then height is one of your strongest points. On some emotional level girls want to feel like children in the arms of a tall strong man.. just by your height you can probably evoke that feeling in them.

From everything I've seen and read it's usually the guy that has to take the burn.

Agreed - Guys if they had an alternative would probably not choose to plate an endless line of shallow sluts, and would likely gravitate towards more meaningful relationships. But the way society is structured now, the freedoms and opportunities women have to cheat and fuck without consequence, their upbringing, dating apps, hypergamy can run riot. The irony is women don't get fulfilled from it. Guys can plate girls and restrict their interactions purely to sex, and do quite fine. For girls this is absolutely not the case, and it has an emotional cost.

In terms of tempering, it is probably best to go from a position of "I will temper nothing about myself... however... over time, with increasing trust, and if she shows qualities that are favourable... maybe I will give way ever so slightly - be it see her outside of sex, ,share parts of my personality with her, all the way to date her exclusively (and stop there, no marriage lol)

Quite frankly for guys in todays society, their best interests are probably served by restricting women to purely sex. Some girls will be worth knowing on a deeper level, but even then AWALT, and be prepared to be hurt.

The way I tempered the shallow aspects of feminine desire and attraction // volatility, was just to have a rule. Be honest with guys. It worked for me, it meant I couldnt lead on guys and pretend to be more attracted than I was just for validation, to avoid lonliness, or whatever else motivation there may be. Or lie and pretend about my thoughts // feelings. It forced me to be extremely selective with guys, but ultimately was a good strategy.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Guys if they had an alternative would probably not choose to plate an endless line of shallow sluts, and would likely gravitate towards more meaningful relationships. But the way society is structured now, the freedoms and opportunities women have to cheat and fuck without consequence, their upbringing, dating apps, hypergamy can run riot. The irony is women don't get fulfilled from it. Guys can plate girls and restrict their interactions purely to sex, and do quite fine. For girls this is absolutely not the case, and it has an emotional cost.

Depends, guys are naturally inclined to plate lots of sluts but obviously opt to commit when they are either limited in this ability or otherwise are convinced they found a unicorn.

The problem is that there will always be someone better or different than you. Even if it is just slightly better. I think women fail to grasp this because of their easy upbringing and the general power trip western bitches seem to be on.

I think they know deep inside in their hearts of hearts that they are part of a ranking and that there are hotter girls out there. But they hamster this away while actually applying the same logic towards guys. Which means that guys enter relationships with girls that are bound to replace them as soon as they get the chance.

Allot of guys I know and have spoken to are adapting to this ridiculous notion, usually they discover the truth of this in their twenties. Which causes them to opt to being equally scrutinous, a.k.a. pumping/dumping.

Most girls really are nothing special so what used to give them hope was guys their ability to idealize their image. Usually by thinking of them as high value 'good girls'. This is one reason why virgins are so highly prized. Even if she's not physically perfect, she is at least untouched. Everything that's new has an added shine but this quickly fades away.

Now women are throwing this away in the vain illusion that they are like men and are fucking hot stuff. Which leaves very little to respect and causes even more pumping and dumping. I predict allot of lonely Alpha Widows in the future. The cat market will also explode, get in on it now gents

What women fail to realize is that in order for human kind to flourish, men always have to win. Because it is us that propel the race forward

Men have been made to win and women either can choose to lose or to support the winner. But in no circumstance can a society function where women are the winners and men to losers. Testosterone levels would be at an all time low, men would be unmotivated to put out and generally would disengage from society.

With women unable to pick up mans role civilization will crumble and be replaced by one that is in fact male dominant. Women who believe they are able to win from men are blind to the truth.

Which is that nature has already decided their function long before they were born themselves

[–]throw17453[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

But in no circumstance can a society function where women are the winners and men to losers. Testosterone levels would be at an all time low, men would be unmotivated to put out and generally would disengage from society.

This is a pretty accurate description of society now, or at least where its heading. One thing I have noticed is that the amount of men, who have their shit together and embrace masculinity, is at an all time low. Just out in society I notice it, there are so many guys out there that just project insecurity, weakness and just do not have masculinity.

Who avoid decision making, or asserting themselves, have no presence to them.

Even quite masculine looking guys don't often seem to have purpose, drive, a solid frame. I've noticed it at the gym, theres guys there who are muscular, attractive, but they still have aspects to their personalities that are timid. It's one of the reasons this place is so important... the values it instils, advice, knowledge and direction it provides, are sorely needed in todays society.

Now I realise that it is quite hypocritical of me to point this out, especially given I've fucked around with nature to the point that some aspects to my personality and looks even now are very feminine, although in time testosterone will likely change that.

With women unable to pick up mans role civilization will crumble and be replaced by one that is in fact male dominant.

Perhaps, or we could end up in some Huxlerian dystopia. Where humans are kept docile by the advent of science. And masculine dominant cultures are given no chance of rising.

There's lots of ways it could go, but you're right about the effect it is having on women, alpha widowed, lonely, unable to bond, hollow inside. One business that will boom is companionship. And I don't mean prostitution, but people selling themselves to provide comfort, affection, connection, giving their time and presence in exchange for cash. Because loneliness - among men and women - is on the up.

[–]Edwoodz 3ポイント4ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm kind of confused on the backstory here. So you were born male, that's obvious, and began to transition into a female through hormone replacement therapy, and now you're transitioning back to a male? Are you on more hormones now to transition back? Or does it come back naturally if you stop taking estrogen supps.

Regardless, very insightful, great read.

[–]throw17453[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

I was on medication which stops testosterone production, and also taking estrogen to put it into female range.

Right now testosterone will come back naturally, and fertility too, which suprised me, but over time. I've already noticed some initial signs of it returning, having spent 3 years with testosterone levels of 0.3nmol/l - 8ng/dl it will be quite interesting to see what effect it has.

Until it comes back sufficiently im on very low dose estrogen. The body needs a sex hormone for health reasons, bone mineral density being one, and to avoid some other symptoms.

[–]Edwoodz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah right. Good to know you're back on the right track, and some interesting insight in your story.

[–]spurdosparade 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You probably know, but lets reinforce that a good way to speed up your test production is by working out.

[–][deleted] -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not true. You are fake. Estrogens make you permanently infertile if you are a man. Again, I am calling your post BS

[–]throw17453[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Proving I'm legitimate is something i could easily do with a 2 minute Skype conversation, you are wasting your time and the only person trolling here is you.

As for the fertility i thought the same as you, but have been told by an endocrinologist I'll still be fertile.

[–][deleted] -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

your endocrinologist is ignorant, then. And what do you want to prove with Skype? ALl I see is a man.

[–]throw17453[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't want to prove anything, you accused me of lying and I can easily prove otherwise.

This is going nowhere though, you don't believe me and have some strong views of your own. I don't agree, but thanks for your input.

[–][deleted] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

yeah, right, first you say you can skype, and then you back off.

[–]throw17453[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Im not talking to you, you are far too antagonistic. if someone else thinks I'm lying though I'll happily prove otherwise.

I'm done responding to you now.

[–][deleted] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

you are a repulsive autogynephile

[–]buzzbinn 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thank you for writing this. It's a breath of fresh air to know somebody out there made it out of this nightmare in a respectable way.

I agree with all your points quite on the dot except how lightly you put your ninth point. It's not an easy step to go through and probably took more effort than what's presented.

[–]throw17453[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for being aware. It has been a lot harder than what I wrote, but there was no reason to go into detail on that, I've gotten through and grown from it.

What doesn't kill you.... :)

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, right? That's the stupid platitude you were going to say, right? Then, why there are so many dysfunctional, suicidal individuals who have been severely scarred by trauma?

this person who wrote the post is an autogynephile, they are not a legitimate transsexual, so, of course, their opinions are skewed. Regardless, I have reasons to believe that he is trolling around. He claims that he became completely passable as a woman, thanks to hormones, and now he is back to being a man and he passes as a man. That doesn't work that way. Hormones are not magical pills that change your bone structure. So, if I give the benefit of the doubt and assume he is honest and he really passed well as a woman thanks to hormones, that means he had an exceptionally feminine bone structure to begin with. If that is the case, then, he cannot pass as a man now. I am calling this entire thread bullshit. This is just an autogynephilic men with feminization fantasies. Repulsive.

[–][deleted] 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

being a girl sounds horrible. i almost want to start abusing steroids so i become further away from that gender.

[–]throw17453[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Be careful, the irony of steroid abuse is that it can cause your HPTA axis to shut down. Which makes your testes stop producing testosterone.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah it was just a joke man.

[–]aanarchist 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

i was thinking this myself. not abusing but like as i age and t goes down, a supplement to make up the difference sounds like a good investment.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah. i dont need it right now, i have an annoyingly high libido. but i was just making a joke, like holy fuck, it does sound horrible to be female.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Good post, but two things.

1) Choose a more direct title i.e. "what I (man) learned about the female experience after taking estrogen injections"

2) Expand upon the power talk portion in a future post. "What I learned about power talk and female communication after I became a 'girl' when taking estrogen injections"

[–]throw17453[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually quite liked the title, but I take your point and can see the benefits of a more direct one. I was quite direct in the opening, on what the topic was about.

[–]EatmyShorts59 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

YES !!!

I want to hear more about the power talk.

I PM'ed OP on tips, if he/she responds, I will definitely post the reply !!!

[–]throw17453[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trust me, it's He. Has taken me a while but that's one thing I can be certain of, lol

I'll take this on board, if I can craft a good enough post on the topic I'll do so.

To say its estrogen that opened my eyes to the nuances of powertalk and female communicaiton might be a stretch though. During this process I became much more capable, healthy physically, confident, socially able. It may be just getting rid of mental illness symptoms was as big, if not more of a factor, in understanding powertalk, female communication and just the nuances of communication generally.

When you're mentally ill you are largely stuck in your own head alot, so perceiving and assessing social situations, engaging and connecting with people and focusing on them, what they say, their body language, tonality, what they are implying... the hidden subtext behind what is actually going on, could just be something I was always capable of, but needed to be sane, focused and healthy to do so!

However, I am quite sure estrogen signifcantly increased my emotional empathy, so I'd expect it did play a large part.

[–]solidsnork 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know how most teens have that awkward stage in puberty where you did stupid shit that you look back on and cringe? Well this new generation of kids are having gender confusion forced on them to where a lot of naive kids are gonna be pressured into making decisions to change their gender that is really gonna fuck them up mentally once they get older. All thanks to feminism.

[–]DiarrheaHelmet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

fucking love this post. Thank you!

[–]cthulhu_calling_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fascinating. Thanks for sharing this insight, it holds more weight knowing that you have been on both sides of the fence. Good to hear you are on your way back to masculinity. Serious question, now that you are literally becoming more of a man everyday, has the mental illnesses associated before been easier to deal with?

[–]throw17453[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have mostly gotten rid / over mental illness and stuff that I was dealing with before. Some of it went with transition, I got a good career, socialised a lot more, put myself out of my comfort zone, and just developed, which helped.

When you have the "This is wrong, I should go back to being a man" epiphany, then this brings with it a lot of mental anguish and confusion to get your head around. And thrown on top of that dealing with the past things that influenced you transitioning in the first place.

There were times when it was torturous, but I've mostly dealt with it, and going back to being a man is making it easier by the day. I've also became far better at dealing with things. transition brings a whole world of emotional, social and psychological difficulty - and going back on it even more so. If I wasn't able to own this situation, then it would have owned me.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

this person who wrote the post is an autogynephile, they are not a legitimate transsexual, so, of course, their opinions are skewed. Regardless, I have reasons to believe that he is trolling around. He claims that he became completely passable as a woman, thanks to hormones, and now he is back to being a man and he passes as a man. That doesn't work that way. Hormones are not magical pills that change your bone structure. So, if I give the benefit of the doubt and assume he is honest and he really passed well as a woman thanks to hormones, that means he had an exceptionally feminine bone structure to begin with. If that is the case, then, he cannot pass as a man now. I am calling this entire thread bullshit. This is just an autogynephilic men with feminization fantasies. Repulsive.

[–]rundownweather 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interesting read. I find i can relate in a way to your experience in a way, as I spent most of my formative years surrounded by girls (i went to what was an almost-all girl school. It isn't all fun and games as japanese cartoons would have you believe), and I could immediately recognize the process of coming out of an extremely feminised environment and gradually accepting yourself as a male.

Keep on writing, dude. It's interesting.

[–]boolshynet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

thanks for sharing, interesting read.

[–]gtypoDD22 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

"Girls also started to have a change in their attitude, lots of looking and smiling, some give IOI’s (I think girls are not so much unattracted to feminine looks as they are feminine behaviours, and I was attractive, with good posture and social confidence) but some also perceive you as a threat, and do the “glance your way, then brush their hair out with their hand purposefully looking away” thing."

Would you say that most girls have homosexual attractions?

[–]throw17453[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

Couldn't say. I think that female sexuality is more malleable than male sexuality however, "most" might be pushing it. But a lot do, or could, have homosexual or bisexual attractions.

[–]gtypoDD22 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well what did you mean with your comment

"Girls also started to have a change in their attitude, lots of looking and smiling, some give IOI’s"

This sounds homosexual.

[–]throw17453[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're overthinking it, IOI's are not neccesarily signifiers of wanting to sleep with someone. They are as described, indicators of interest.

Girls and guys are quite capable of being interested in, or finding someone attractive, and yet not wishing to sleep with them.

But i think the nature of girls - or feminine - attraction, is that a lot is capable of turning them on and their sexuality can be shaped or changed more than guys can.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being submissive does that to you.

[–]gtypoDD22 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

And you are over-complicating it. If a man gave me an "indicator of Interest" I would interpret it as homosexual interest - as would most people. There is a clear an obvious distinction between homosexual interest and non-homosexual interest.

This has nothing to do with wanting to sleep with someone.

And also, everyone and their momma already knows "female sexuality is more fluid bla bla bla," what I was trying to get from you is something concrete. I wanted you to explain it to me as a man would when dealing with other men. But you seem to be incapable of breaking things down in a clear and logical way, I noticed this throughout your post.

You are essentially giving me the same wishy-washy and intangible crap a woman would.

[–]throw17453[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't have deeper insights on that topic, what I do know I've shared.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

i would honestly probably say yes ( i know you asked op but i thought i'd chime in). i've met so many hetro girls who've never fucked a girl, who admitted they like lesbian porn, or spend a liiiiitle bit too long talking about how attractive other girls are, that its not funny. there are also studies where they get wet and aroused by lesbian porn even if they identify as straight, but men did not have the same phenomenon. most straight girls will probably NOT do anything homosexual, but im pretty sure they all could pretty easily.

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for sharing. It was nice to have some honest insight into feminine thinking. Fascinating.

What were your eating habits like during this period? Did you crave sweets more than before?

Also, did you develop any amount of gyno (man boobs) and if so do you plan on reversing that somehow? I have some minor gyno and get overly emotional sometimes so I was wondering if I should get my estrogen levels checked.

[–][deleted] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

no wonder he has not responded to these questions. This post is fake and has been written by a man with autogynephilia who never transitioned but lives vicariously through other legitimate transsexuals. The problem is that for someone who REALLY knows what transition is like, the post is full of factual inaccuracies and contradictions. It's BS.

[–]michael_wilkins 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you are legit you should try to get more people to read your writings.

Not many people go from Male to Female and back again.

“I don’t feel like a guy, and am insecure in my masculinity”. Couple this with symptoms of mental illness – neuroses, isolation, shame, insecurity, lack of social functioning. Coupled with these kind of factors, over time it is very easy to hamster “I don’t feel like a guy” into “I feel like a girl”.

This has been rattling around in my brain for quite some time. I've never understood why "liking dick" seems to correlate with "being a faggot"

I've always suspected that convincing oneself that they are gay plays at least a small part, or a lack of Female options.

But that being said it could just be a bias as Males that just like dick I wouldn't notice. I do know a handful of guys like this and they aren't very memorable as opposed to aggressively feminine guys.

Going one more step into "I feel like a Girl" seems like a natural progression of this.

I only know a handful of people that have switched, but they definitely fall into two distinct categories, those that are obviously messed up and weird and clearly having mental problems with he discrepancy.

The second category is the type of person that is aggressively butch/effeminate and no-one is surprised when they come out as trans.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, incredible tale from a very interesting (especially psychologically) point of view.

As others said, keep on strong, you will eventually reach succes, even if the path is hard and difficult, but that only makes it taste better in the end.

[–]memphisjohn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Powerful. Thank you for sharing. Best of luck in your journey.

[–]globst 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great post - a very interesting read.

I was hoping you would write this up after you mentioned it earlier.

[–]michael_wilkins 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also you probably should put a plug for r alttrp in your post, they could use some more subs.

[–]homelessWOOKIE9 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is a super dope write up. thank you

[–]JimboLitres 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

this experience would be fucking amazing if a girl did like test and tren. would b interesting

[–]LukeMooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow. Really interesting. Enjoyed immensely

[–]sorry_mommy -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

When you "transition" genders, you don't become a woman. You become a man who looks more like a woman than most men.

You're not a woman, you still don't understand what it's like to be a woman in this society. To be born a woman, to grow up as a woman, to be biologically a woman. All of your perceptions of femininity are your own. They are your own opinions of how women are; based on your observations and based on the messages you have been fed by the media and by women.

[–]throw17453[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you read my post you would see that I covered this.

The media point, and that it is a subjective experience are worth saying, but you are largely repeating points I made.

[–][deleted] -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

There is a lot of misinformation in your post. First and foremost, saying that hormone replacement therapy changed your sexual orientation is very damaging. Let me tell you again. It is VERY damaging. You know why? Because conversion therapy for homosexual men and homosexual women is based on this WRONG assumption that autogyenphiles like yourself are promulgating. What hormone replacement therapy changes is the intensity of the desire, not the object of the desire. In fact, effeminate gay men are usually subjected to massive doses of testosterone with devastating effects but they are still exclusively attracted to men. I was exclusively attracted to men both before and after my transition. My libido lowered, actually, to that of a woman (no matter what men want to believe, women have a lower libido than men and the sluts who have sex all the time do not really desire sex but want validation through sex). So, right there you are making a big, big, big mistake.

In addition to that, you say that hormones make you feminine to a point where you pass as a woman. Wrong. There are thousands of cases of people who have been on hormones for decades and still look masculine or are read as trannies. Hormones do NOT change your bone structure. Let me say that again. Hormones do NOT alter your bones. Please stop giving false hopes.

[–]LukeMooney 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

you sound butthurt / negative. "you're wrong / VERY damaging / do NOT" - you might even be right, but just so you know, the way you sound is not good in that comment

[–][deleted] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I do not give a F* if I sound negative. You and your repulsive rhetoric of sounding negative. That is the truth. The OP is doing more harm than good. OP is an autogynephile and not a legit transsexual.

[–]LukeMooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bro, legit didn't mean to hurt your feelz - I'm too much of a meathead to understand those long words you used, but you sound pretty pissed?

peace and love my man/woman/trans

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

you can lick my hemorrhoids as far as I am concerned. I am pissed because OP is fake as hell. Now, again, lick my hemorrhoids

[–]Namkcalb 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Attraction or desire for girls didn’t go, but the effect of hormones is your sex drive mostly goes away, and with it thoughts of wanting to fuck them. That coupled with a change in perspective on how you relate to girls just changes the whole dynamic.

Did you read what he wrote?

[–][deleted] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I read what he wrote and you obviously did not read the whole post. You just took a paragraph out of context. I have talked to autogynephiles long enough and I know what their delusions are. Real transsexuals are completely different from autogynephiles (even though autogynephiles want us to believe that autogynephilia does not exist). I can walk into a tranny club and I can spot, in less than a second, the legitimate transsexuals and tell them apart from the autogynephiles. I am sick and tired of them saying that hormones change your sexual orientation. How could someone who was a straight guy (attracted to women) think to transition into a woman? ANd don't give me the crap that gender identity and sexual orientation are two different things, because they are two sides of the same coin.