What exactly is the alt-right?

shivux · 5日前

It really depends on who you ask. By its broadest definition, the term refers any "right wing" elements outside of the conservative mainstream, and could potentially include everyone from Libertarians to Neo-Nazis to Monarchists. Usually though, people are talking about those that explicitly reject, or express disdain for, mainstream/moderate conservatives, anything they see as "political correctness" (like notions of race and gender equality), and sometimes even Classical Liberal/Enlightenment values. They might be explicit racist, they might just be implicitly racist, or they might not be racist at all. I don't think racism isn't inherent to alt-right ideologies, though it (or something like it, such as "ethnic nationalism") is certainly common to quite a few.

A side note on eugenics: I'm all for it! So long as it's ethically implemented and doesn't violate any human rights. I really hope one day we'll be able to eliminate harmful disorders through eugenics policies and gene editing the same way we can eliminate viral diseases with vaccines.

GodInASimulation · 5日前

the opposite of ctrl left.

Mouon · 4日前

Its the anti-establishment right. Its a grassroots sort of phenomena of people on the right getting fed up of the mainstream center-left and center-right not representing them and not dealing with issues they find important, like immigration, and also reacting to the encroaching influence of social justice and radical feminism, et al.

but they like to sweep it under the rug and have a lot of right wing views like eugenics and shit?

No, thats the 'Dark Enlightenment', a very small but relatively vocal subsection of the Alt-Right. The Dark Enlightenment is a bit like what Stalinism is to the left, but in the Alt Right.

Yesofcoursenaturally · 5日前

Is it some millennial conservative movement that's not necessarily openly racist, but they like to sweep it under the rug and have a lot of right wing views like eugenics and shit?

It's a term which covers a certain range of views, which Breitbart does a decent job of covering. You have some diehards insisting that their set of views is the only 'real' alt-right (usually the crazier ones), but for the most part there's a few touchstones:

The idea that most 'racist' cries are bullshit ('They cast Batman as a white guy AGAIN omg') or are complaints about things which aren't even bad ('What do you MEAN you like to mostly hang around white people who speak english omg').

A belief that white people have every right to be proud of being white, and even to look after their community's interests the same way that blacks, asians, etc do.

The willingness to openly discuss or even accept views that are regarded as beyond the pale - 'average racial IQs are not some horrible conspiracy, they reflect a reality, for better or for worse.'

It goes on, and a lot of it can be summed up as people, particularly white people, who are defiantly talking about topics or holding views that are considered taboo among what passes for the mainstream media and culture.

That's the real answer. The answer some people may be looking for is 'Those horrible people who are totally racist and bad, they're SJWs just right wing, because it's always that simple'.

itsreallyfuckingcold · 4日前

A socially conservative, fiscally liberal group that believes in race realism, and opposes multi-culturalism. Donald Trump is not a true alt-right candidate (I'll get to why), but he hits more of their list than anyone else by far.

the alt-right is a racial movement, first and foremost. It has never not been a racial movement. The alt-rights earliest founders include Richard Spencer, noted race realist philosopher, who coined the term Alternative Right.
Europe and America were built by the white race for the white race. Whatever Africans want to do is fine, but they have to keep it there. Immigration of non-Europeans upsets the cultural balance, which is first and foremost the greatest concern of the country.
Mantaining white homelands is important, no so much because whites are the "master race" but simply because diversity does not work: people so not get along with those from other "tribes." Asians are statistically smarter than whites, yes, but they belong with their own people, and whites belong their own people as well. Essentially, look to Japan: a country that is 98% all the same ethnicity, proud of it, and they aren't going to change.
primacy of marriage as an institution - this is why Milo is not a member of the alt-right: he's gay. This is also why they oppose feminism: it diminishes the central importance of marriage as a social structure.
On board with state socialism: everybody works and you get taken care of. It doesn't work now because freeloaders from other countries are taking all of our shit.
Christianity is good: whether or not God exists is irrelevant, it gets everybody on the same page and minimizes subversive elements that go against the grain (gays should stay in the closet.)
the cuck insult comes from cuckolded men who raise offspring that aren't theirs. Conservatives have sold out the country to immigrants in exchange for votes, and are now taking resources from American born whites and giving them to the others.

Those are the big ones.

This is the definition of the alt-right from the alt right, it is not libertarianism, it is not Breitbart conservative, it is not trolling Milo, it is not Trump. It is a racial movement, pure and simple. It has become a catch all for right wingers you don't like, but it has a very specific criteria.

EDIT: Trump is the candidate most of the alt-right likes because he's the only one to take a hard line stance against immigration and globalism. However, his past marriage issues conflict with alt-right mentality (they consider him "lewd,"), his daughter converted to Judaism, and he's more of a civic nationalist, but he is not publicly racially aware, which excludes him from the alt-right by default. He is the cloesest they will get at this current time.

Askvicer · 4日前

They are essentially the right-wing's sjws. They tend to be white and very disenfranchised by this outroar in PC culture the past 2 years. So they get sucked into this more welcoming movement.

They're both obsessed with identity politics.

Alot of people on both sides were just awkward and loney kids that kind of found their way to these movements. The draw is a sense of belonging. Tumblr tends to draw you into sjw madness, while the chans do the opposite.

SJWs complain about how academia, business, and government are controlled by the "cis white male patriarchy". The Alt-Right complains about how all of that is controlled by Jews, minorities, and cultural marxists.

SJWs believe everything Anita tells them. The Alt-Right has their own celebrities too. Alex Jones for example. Also people on the Donald unironically citing the National Inqurior.

SJWs use arrogant and poorly optimized gifs of brown celebrities like Beyonce to pat themselves in the back. The Alt-Right uses pictures of smug anime girls, pepe, and nazis.

SJWs have their safe spaces of course. The Alt-Right has the same phenomenon. I like to browse steam groups and I have seen people calling for certain people to be banned in /pol/ steam groups because they're gay, marxist, or whatever.

The Alt-Right in contrast to traditional american conservatives, do not really care for democracy, many are pseudo-facists. They hate the idea of race-mixing, though the Alt-Right does have some lgbt members, but they constitute a very small minority. Also they're more younger and techsavvy than stormfront.

I will say SJWs make the Alt-Right stronger and vice versa. They feed off of each other. SJWs kind of have weaseled their way into legislature and entertainment. The Alt-Right not so much. They control certain parts of Youtube and the chans though.

Fix your algorithms Google and Youtube. You're making the world a much more volatile and divided this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine_manipulation_effect

Mouon · 4日前

This explains it pretty well, I cannot recommend Jonathan Haidt enough:

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/07/10/when-and-why-nationalism-beats-globalism/

RancidNugget · 5日前

I've seen it used a lot as a way to smear anyone who disagrees with the current wave of identity politics.

Most of the people I've seen smeared with that term tend to be left of center, but not left enough to satisfy those doing the smearing.

Kanaric · 5日前

www.dailystormer.com

stormfront

golden dawn in greece

etc.

New PC word for fascists. You uncle whose a "conservative" but is actually a big government guy who thinks "certain people" need to be controlled? He used to say we need to nuke Arabia into a glass desert? Says racist things casually? Alt-right.

The alt-right isn't something new. It's something that's existed for quite a while and just got a new label. The old white nationalist types basically have done an epic relabeling and marketing campaign in one of those successful examples of that kind of thing in history. They basically begin the indoctrination by getting you to be upset about SJWs and PC culture in an extreme manner far more than us that post here. That is like the initial breadcrumb to lead you into scientific racism. It actually worked on one of my best friends and he's an alt-right guy now.

ComradeShitlord · 4日前

The alt-right is fascist. I don't mean that in the sense of "evil authoritarians who I don't like," I mean the actual ideology of fascism. It's important to note that fascism is an extremely populist movement. In fact, from the inside it looks a whole lot like democracy. If you see yourself as part of the majority and your leaders are doing what you want them to do, then why wouldn't you assume they serve the will of the people?

Fascism is based on the idea that the world is a scary place full of people who are out to get you. If you want to survive, you need to be able to defend yourself. But an individual alone is ultimately powerless, which means you need to form a tribe with people who are like you. For your tribe to be strong, it needs to be unified, which means dissenting opinions aren't particularly welcome, and it needs a strong leader. Then, every member of the tribe should do their best to follow the example set by the leader, so that they can contribute the most to the strength of the tribe.

All of those ideas are pretty easy to see in any alt-right community. Certainly there's a prevalent attitude that they're under siege, especially from neoprogressives and Muslims. We all know who the leader is. And of course, anyone who voices a dissenting opinion like, say, supporting Hillary, must be a shill who's trying to spread disunity.

Also note that fascism isn't necessarily equivalent with racism, although the two often go hand in hand. Fascism requires the presence of threatening outgroups, which are often other racial or ethnic groups, but they could also be political or religious groups, for example.

edmiborn · 5日前

Yes, pretty much. They're basically the right wing version of tumblrites (assuming tumblrites aren't basically right wing already). Avoid them like the plague.

Timewalker102 · 4日前

Fascism.

i_dont_like_math · 2日前

u/alex_the_bolshevik the video below should answer your question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoLi4rC6xm8

OdiumNostrum · 4日前

Pseudo-fascist slave morality for alienated whites in our degenerate generation. Actually willing to play the democratic game in order to empower themselves, because raw power is what this is really about. Maybe a dialectical counterpart of the post-Marxist genderfreaks running around college campuses. Use the same strange mixture of identity politics, standpoint epistemology, and 19th-century race essentialism (all the while claiming that "whiteness is a social construct born out of modernity," but some sort of "lived social reality" that one has to fall back on anyway - because, really, power is what this is about, not coherent thinking). Tend to backread whiteness onto pre-modern figures of Western culture ("Gosh I love white culture, aren't Bach and Homer wonderful?"). Advocate for a re-entrenchment in dead or dying bastions of Western culture by shielding themselves from 20th century philosophical developments. Like the Nazis, they are very bad Nietzscheans - unable to come to terms with Western decadence and mourn it, celebrate the tragedy of life and the cycle of civilizational rise and decline, and face collective death with indifferent nobility. Weak totalitarian ideology for weak, misguided, but well-meaning people who are too ill-constituted to survive in anything but a stable universe. Thus they make recourse to infantile fictions and anachronistic myth. Odin and Christ are dead - get over it and forge ahead into an uncertain destiny.

Anyway, they have a few agreeable insights and impulses here and there (generally opposed to the universalization of liberal-democracy). Iron Pill comics are sick sometimes, but I think Evola is retarded.

Gamers_Are_Racist · 3日前

Naked Ape did a good video on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8vILWviTHo

soullessgeth · 4日前

people who rightfully blame israel for america's foreign policy blunders and extremely wasteful and pointless military spending.

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