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Women prefer to be used by losers (self.MGTOW)

Red_PillCosby が 投稿

Take a look at some of the top comments here:

https://reddit.com/r/AskWomen/comments/1debn5/ladies_of_reddit_what_tastes_in_men_do_you_have/

Women prefer to be fucked and chucked by losers. The red pill conceived persona "Chad" is fairly accurate, but there is another that I like to call Jake. If Chad scored the winning touch down Friday night for the high school football team, Jake shot up at the skate park. Jake is Chad without even faux value. A smidge less of the cockiness. The red pill preaches we build value and and the women come... But I believe it is solely to be used for our social value (looks, cockiness) and resources as much as we use them for sex. While really, they can fall for a homeless looking skater pedaling dope.

I've been MGTOW because they're like that in my home town (recently moved back from Uni, all feminists and SJWs and party sloots). In high school, they got knocked up by guys in their mid 30's with minimum wage jobs. A female friend of mine months back was dating a UPS guy and well, they're now having a baby they can't afford cause "oops". So I subscribe to the notion that as a red pill man, not a beta male or emotional tampon or submissive man, that I continue to build value. But not to be used for it after a girl that isn't as naive as she acts has fucked a few too many losers and finally begins to catch on. My value is for me.

While society may condemn me as a loser, or a neckbeard, or whatever feminists wanna say for me not wasting my time playing stupid shitty dating games and getting blown off for losers with no value or psuedo value demonstrated through cockiness, I'll keep building value.

I'll wait for Vasalgel and the first quality consumer sex bots.

I'll wait for artificial eggs to put my sperm in cause who knows what a surrogate mother could try to pull.

I'll buy fleshlights and whatever else in the meantime.

And perhaps on the very rare occasion I might screw a fan girl on tinder to let some of that steam out.

I'm not a loser if I'm not boosting sloots' N counts every day, or avoiding women and "the game". I just know women better than the losers in the dating scene that are getting taken to the cleaners for their resources and ditched afterwards.

The low value they told me I had in high school is a lie, because it was their prime time (the girls and the losers). I know what I'm worth, and I know while the worthless bros and sloots are pigging out, binge drinking, and adding nothing of substance to themselves, that I'll surpass them and I'll soon be the one in demand.

I think the beauty of being Red Pill and MGTOW is the self actualization and pride that comes with monk mode and building value, and becoming desired and in demand for what you've made of yourself. But we all know the story of Betabux Brad who's lady assured him he was high SMV so she could trap into marriage and kids and divorce him for alimony and half his net worth so she could hop on Chad's dick.

As many women on the above thread will deny all of this, it becomes obvious upon examination and recollection of past experiences. Being in my early 20's, I know I'm at a big low for my SMV, so I've given up on the game altogether for now. I know when I hit 25/26 or even 30, all the 18-21 year old whores will be after me... But who gives a shit? I think I'm done with the game. Pretty MGTOW. Who cares about not getting laid if I'm not risking fucking my life up and getting a woman pregnant, and I'm just a notch on her belt?

Any older guys care to comment? I've gotten laid, I'm not a 40 year old virgin case. But thanks to personal experience and TRP/MGTOW I think I'm informed enough to know this shit with women is all a waste of time.

Edit: Janitors and Garbage Men aren't losers

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[–]fakenate1 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

Janitors and garbage men are not losers.

[–]squidracer 16ポイント17ポイント  (9子コメント)

Wow that entire thread explains why I was a manwhore in my 20s when I was riding recklessly and drinking all the time.

And why I hit a dry spell when I tried to grow up and be responsible.

[–]Morranaii 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

isn't it funny? when you're trashing your life and health for example with endless parties and drinking, you can fuck far more girls obviously.

their quality would be low, but thats obvious. at the end, she can jump on to someone who didn't wastes his life on pointless drinking, and also fuck some dudes in the meantime. a win-win for her. so, it's useless to be that dude. better to develop yourself and achieve something for yourself. at the end of the day you can just buy some escort and have similar if not better fun. sober.

[–]squidracer 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

their quality would be low

They are all low quality

better to develop yourself

Oh, my career didn't suffer, reckless doesn't mean unsuccessful.. Didn't you watch the wolf of wall street? You can do both

[–]Morranaii 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

that's true. they are all low quality. but between that low quality you can get lowest low, or just low ;)

the second part- yeah, mine neither :) I'm back on track even though I've partied like nobody that I know back in the days haha

[–]1v1crown 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's actually pretty simple and TRP has consistently made the point clear: Girls want a good time.

You can be a straightedge healthnut fiscally responsible dude on YOUR time. But when you are with a girl you are on HER time (we all know that) and what she wants is a good time. So feed her drugs and alcohol, get wasted in a public skatepark, fuck her at the beach after hours, etc. Just give her a good time and she will want you.

[–]redchords 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://youtu.be/PIb6AZdTr-A

Girls just wanna have fun. They really tried to tell us.

[–]thundgreen 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why should a man ever treat a woman nicely? Treating them like literal scum works every time. So predictable and sad.

[–]Five_Decades 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That thread was a good read. Thank God for honesty.

[–]DigitalScetis 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

There's truth to this.

One of the serious flaws in TRP thinking is that they underestimate the female hamster wheel by imputing some rational, evolutionarily logical structure to it. But I have found that they assume too much.

You will find so many instances of women who are married to handsome and assertive alphas, or wealthy and secure betas, who have affairs with men with so little SMV, you and everyone else is wondering "what the hell is she thinking"?

To us, to her family, to her society, and to her circle of friends, it makes no sense for a woman like Mary Kay Letourneau to have an affair with a 12 year old scrawny, immigrant kid. Yet she did. And TRP can't easily explain why.

But if you listen to these women, you'll see that while their hamster wheel doesn't roll in the direction we think it "ought to", it necessarily rolls true, nevertheless. And it usually goes something like this:

"I always felt like I had to be someone else around (Chad, Rich Bob), but with Larry (the loser), I feel I can be who I truly am."

"I felt trapped, suffocated, until I met Larry. And my love for Larry set me free."

"Do you know why I love Larry? He is the first guy I met that really could give a shit about my career, my image, my social life and all of that."

Now, in all fairness, she's probably not telling the truth about Chad or Rich Bob; she's probably projecting her own insecurities about herself on those good men. And she's probably embellishing Larry and what he does for her a bit too much. But the reality doesn't matter; it's her interpretation of reality that is at play. And, for whatever reason, her love for Larry the loser is a manifestation of some deep inner dissatisfaction with the hand fate has dealt to her.

[–]Red_PillCosby[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

There was a really good TRP thread about how men see reality through an objective lens, but women see it as a reflection of whatever their current emotional state is... No matter what you've provided or done in the past, if you can't fulfill her ridiculous needs in the present you're gone. Explains gaslighting "you never did x for me" and the bull shit lies during break ups from her to you and all her friends / the new Chad that's gonna put a Chadlet in her very well.

[–]DigitalScetis 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

And yet, what you describe is exactly why TRP misses a lot when it comes to female psychology. They are committed to hypergamy as an explanation for everything, not just some things or most things, but everything regarding female mate choice.

But it has occurred to me that hypergamy, at times, is at odds with female solipsism to the extent that women will, far more often than we would expect, make the non-adaptive choice. The reason to do this is more psychological than physiological. She may not think she is worth loving a Chad. She may resent her life. She may feel "trapped" in a social situation that has too much fear and anxiety associated with it. She may become so consumed with shit tests that she lays down the ultimate shit test she can possibly give: to love a loser, just to prove how little a winner's love really meant to her.

This is the dimension TRP doesn't get, because human beings are creatures of meaning as well as instinct, so a purely instinctual approach misses a whole dimension of motivation that has nothing to do with instinct and is, perhaps, even counter-instinctual.

I mean, if you are a woman, how do you dread game Chad? He has looks. He has money. He's the envy of your peers. Your lifestyle makes you want for nothing. He holds frame. He passes shit tests. Yet despite everybody--even yourself--saying you're with a "winner," you yourself still don't feel understood. You feel as if your life is not your own; that you are a mere extension of him, and you resent him for being "too Alpha".

The way to put Chad in his place isn't to start an affair with another Chad. That would just make both Chads, and you yourself if you were a woman, think you were a whore and that your love is worthless.

The way you assert yourself against Chad is to start an affair with someone so un-Chadlike, so destitute, and so dumpy, that Chad is saying to himself, "I'll never be worthy of unconditional love like that."

[–]Red_PillCosby[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well yeah, but that's why I mentioned the dichotomy between Chad and Jake. Jake is an antithesis of Chad. TRP doesn't have Jake but like you're saying, female psychology will often drive women away from Chad and into Jake's twig thin skateboarder arms.

[–]Five_Decades 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That part has always confused me. A woman will throw away a good man (good looking, devoted, has resources) just for a fling with a guy who has far less of those things. I never understood it. Maybe women who do that are motivated by insecurity and self hatred, I'm not sure.

[–]Mgtowredpillonroids 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It makes sense when you differentiate between actual value and SMV. A muscled hunk who is broke may just give her the right amount of tingles so she'll fuck him on a whim. More seldom there's also the guy who is just there "at the right time at the right place", most likely during ovulation and some kind of emotional "distress" so she seeks to calm herself down via a dick in her cunt. That guy is quite at risk for regret rape btw.

[–]I-am-the-lul 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Some women just love the "rough trade", it's a guilty (not so)secret.

[–]Red_PillCosby[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. I'm going into music related stuff so i can act like a cocky loser when i wanna laid but generally Im ignoring women lol. Do you think if you spent your twenties building more value and being less cocky you'd be a stud now? Do you cater to the demographic of 18-21 year olds looking for daddy who is 30+?

[–]Smitty6 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They want to pass off daddy.

[–]Greetings1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

the Jake.

I'm laughing my ass off. This is so true.

[–]2800fps 1ポイント2ポイント  (20子コメント)

When I went to university before I dropped out and went into trade school I knew this really good looking girl. Her and I went to high school together. She was dating a bus driver. They met on the bus. You can't make this shit up.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 5ポイント6ポイント  (16子コメント)

It's almost as if we're working our asses off so that we can pay more in taxes to support their bad choices.

[–]Red_PillCosby[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (14子コメント)

Right, another reason to just avoid the risk of being on the hook for child support, alimony, half or three fourths your income. The price of marriage...

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 1ポイント2ポイント  (13子コメント)

With men dropping out of the marriage grinder, the next step is universal income. Their attitude seems to be "Pay one woman now, or pay all women later."

[–]Five_Decades 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Universal basic income is a response to automation eliminating hundreds of millions (probably billions) of jobs in the next few decades, it isn't a gendered agenda.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

And how do you think women will respond to getting a paycheck without needing a job, and getting a bigger paycheck with each kid they pop out?

[–]Five_Decades 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is there an alternative? Soon there will only be 1 job for every 10 people due to advances in automation. The old paradigm of working for money will not work for either buyers or sellers

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Adapt or die. If you're waiting for someone to lead you to new job skills, then you're part of the problem.

[–]Five_Decades 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good luck with that. You are just as replaceable as the people you look down upon in the coming automation wave, it is just that your ego won't let you see it. In the next few decades there will be very few things that a human can do cheaper, better and safer than a robot.

100 years ago horses were everywhere. They worked in agriculture, mining, transportation, etc. Now machines do each job better and most are gone. The same thing will happen to humans this century. People can't be retrained because the robots will be better and cheaper at everything.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are just as replaceable as the people you look down upon in the coming automation wave, it is just that your ego won't let you see it.

I am one of the people that is designing the automation wave.

[–]JStheHammer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually it is the feminist dream. Stay at home women will be paid for their house work.

[–]Mgtowredpillonroids 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't see your reply. I also think this is a definite possibility.

[–]Red_PillCosby[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is that some globalist shit? Or more politicians spewing the gender pay gap shit and hypnotizing women with it even though women arent going to roll their sleeves up and go work the oil rigs or be car mechanics even.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-santens/why-should-we-support-the_b_7630162.html

[–]Mgtowredpillonroids 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm torn between regarding this as a socialist utopia and regarding it as a rational response to the increasing automation that is willfully not used to its full extent in order to keep bullshit jobs alive. http://strikemag.org/bullshit-jobs/

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The bigger picture is that when the baby boomers start dying off, the millennials aren't having kids to replace them. So eventually populations will be like Japan except when immigrants come in and start having more kids.

[–]Mgtowredpillonroids 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Japan would rather have robots take care of the elderly (and other tasks) than to have mass immigration. They're smart in that way. And btw. that doesn't mean they don't allow immigration, but you have to be able to prove that you'll be an asset for the country, not a liability. I know several people who work in Japan. It really comes down to 1) the nature of immigrants (qualified/unqualified, willing to assimilate etc.) 2) the number (beyond a certain threshold social cohesion will be threatened and social conflict will increase). Much of the demographic "crisis" isn't that much of a big deal when you consider that they're mostly need to uphold the welfare state. We can already see the retirement age getting pushed back, pensions cut (compared with inflation) etc. Being a young guy myself I doubt I'll ever see a cent of what I've paid into the system. That said, I'm fully aware that it's not my money I'd receive anyway, as my money is used to finance the current pension and welfare recipients.

[–]Five_Decades 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think in between the spread of the manosphere (any man who learns about the manosphere is going to wise up and refuse to be a bb) and the collapse of the middle class, women finding a bb is going to get harder and harder. The pool of bbs is drying up. In my experience, many beta bucks are fairly clever, college educated people. They are going to wise up rapidly in the Internet age about female sexual strategy and the misandrist legal system. At the same time more and more men are left out of the economy. Women chase Chad thinking an infinite supply of bb are waiting in her 30s but that isn't the case.

So yeah, they will push for higher taxes to support Chad's kids. That and the media and political establishment will constantly nag men to man up and raise someone else's kids.

[–]fakenate1 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

What the hell is wrong with dating a bus driver? They're good people.

[–]NefariousRaccoon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol

[–]redchords 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bus drivers don't make much money. In modern society, the implicit purpose of money is to allow men to more or less purchase women. When, in insane society, a woman chooses to date a man who earns little she is proving to society, which judges one's humanity through "social status" qualifiers, that she is of little value/is less human.

[–]DaphneDK 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't know about sex-bots, but if you wait for artificial eggs (=cloning?) and artificial wombs then you'll be waiting for something which is not likely to come in your lifetime. Also what would you do if it's a girl?

[–]Red_PillCosby[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it were a girl, I'd probably raise her on TRP philosophy and some MGTOW philosophy on women's nature. When she hit 17/18 I'd say, sloots gonna sloot but when you're about to go out with that 35 year old grocery clerk, just ask yourself if he'd make a good father for your children, and if he'd really be able to support you.

[–]Albacorewing 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Back in the day when I was in high school, I recall standing in front of the place, and guys in their 30's would be picking up my female classmates. Grubby guys in souped up cars, they would often "make out" in plain view. For these high school girls, having a boyfriend in his 30's who worked at the local bread factory was big status.

[–]Red_PillCosby[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right and they are always dressing too young driving rice burners wearing flat billed caps and shit lol like you're 30

[–]cariboo_j 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

all the 18-21 year old whores will be after me

Doubtful. Maybe this is just where I live but girls don't date up age wise as much as TRP claims.

[–]Red_PillCosby[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not the same at Uni or here. I worked at the liquor store for a bit at Uni and it'd be 25+ year old Chads coming in for the raspberry smirnoff while an 18 year old Jenny waited outside. And like I said, any of the decent looking girls from the high school go for 30+ losers.

[–]cariboo_j 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not in my personal experience. The majority will go for 2 or 3 years older maybe.

There's also hardly any single mothers where I live.

I'm in Canada so I dunno.

[–]Red_PillCosby[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My county had the second highest heroin trafficking rate in the country for ten years. It's a low income safe haven. Psuedo country bumpkins wearing john deer and mossy oak stuff, scrawny dirty greasy heroin addicts in bed bug filled low income apartments shooting guns off, etc. But the 3/4 of my class that got pregnant in high school were middle class mostly.

[–]BevTheManFromDownUnd 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Older guy -> Firstly I just shake my head at how someone who is wise has to be on the defensive end of players in "The game". That's alarming but not that surprising, just saying... ever had one of these players actually take any advice from you? They'll run the muck, go around the field enough times until they realise MUCH later in life how wrong their approach was.

Education should be adaptive too. Any of you ever got any REAL education on this in school? Real Social politics? Any kind of explanation into how "The game" works? I don't think so, no instead they would rather teach you how to label plant cells. Since our time here is finite and fairly short, and since so much time gets wasted playing this stupid game, it should be a god damn subject in school.

-> Consumer sex bots

Me too!

-> artificial eggs

I realised I would actually like a child, if I could raise it alone, but being a guy these days, you're shit out of luck, unless you're Michael Jackson (or as rich). And yet single mothers are rife and many of them seriously only hooked up to get pregnant.

Building your worth is good, just don't give it away to some cock carouselling bitch who woke up later.

[–]Red_PillCosby[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, so many social justice type requirements forbmy degree that are programming everyone away from the truth. What the single moms here all have in common is daddy works a shit job and don't make enough money to supported em.

Are you suggesting MGTOW 4E?

[–]jasonmiles2014 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is this MGTOW or TRP? Which sub am I in??

[–]Red_PillCosby[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I take truths from both philosophies and thought they sorta overlapped here