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Pirate Party wins Icelandic election. Bitcoin on road-map to become legal tender! (icelandmonitor.mbl.is)

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[–]BigBlackHungGuy 67ポイント68ポイント  (6子コメント)

No so fast. A founder of the party mentioned that its just exploratory for now.

[–]Gadsekredditor for 7 days [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And they didn't win the election

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/30/iceland-elections-ruling-centre-right-party-pirate-party

The title is entirely fiction

[–]throwawayagin 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was a bit generous even saying "exploratory" tbh.

[–]aykcak [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How dare you disturb our circlejerk by such senseless facts from an official founder of the actual party and all that nonsense

[–]Hitchslappy [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Not so fast. They actually didn't manage to get enough votes to be in power.

[–]Amichateur 103ポイント104ポイント  (25子コメント)

Except that the co founder of the party has elaborated here on reddit that it is not on thr agenda.

And except that you need an absolute majority (50%+), not relative majority(~25%), to pass laws in parliament.

So I wouldn't be too euphoric as yet.

[–]The-Adjudicator 37ポイント38ポイント  (3子コメント)

The title is absolutely wrong. The first numbers are in now, and as expected nothing changes. The right wing party has the lead, way above the polls and the Pirates are way below the polls.

It's a bit funny that the frontman of the "winning" party was not only in the panama paper leaks, but also the Ashley Madison leaks.

[–]Frogolocalypse 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's funny though. Their right wing party would probably be called communists in the US.

[–]sq66 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is probably true, but it is sad to see what is left of the US democracy. The size of government indicates it is not a healthy republic any more. People are taking control of government in Iceland, the trend hopefully spreads elsewhere as well.

[–]Amichateur -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh how bad - voters lost their eggs in the ballots.

[–]Frogolocalypse 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

? I look at that link and the pirate party is nowhere near winning?

[–]BakersDozen 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shit headline, OP. No result yet. Exit polls put them third.

[–]dftba8497 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Icelandic Pirate Party is now in third (in the popular vote, second in number of seats in parliament). The final vote count isn't expected until tomorrow morning. And only about 1/5 of the electorate's votes have been counted thus far.

[–]Introshine 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bitcoin on road-map to become legal tender

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/I-dont-believe-you.gif

[–]luke-jrLuke Dashjr - Bitcoin Expert 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Read:

Note: No results reported yet. Table will be updated with actual numbers when results are reported.

[–]akreider 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Comes in third place. Misleading title.

[–]moleccc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"miselading"?? It's just false.

Also: even if they win, "legal tender" status for bitcoin is NOT on the pirate party roadmap. It's delusional to expect that.

[–]Hitchslappy 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

There's still 40 minutes left in the polls... they wouldn't announce votes prematurely in case it influences people's decisions.

[–]phor2zero 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

The link in the OP says almost 6 hours left.

[–]ArmedMilitia 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Results should start coming in soon, Iceland is at UTC while you probably are looking at your time zone (UTC-5 probably)

[–]phor2zero 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah I was looking at the countdown on the website. Must be a bug in their web server, or in iOS Safari.

[–]ncsakira 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ummm no.

[–]drlsd 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Link says pp @ 12.9%?!

[–]PoliticalDissidents 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kinda jumped the gun there. They didn't win but they made notable gains.

[–]ngt_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope.

Current forecast sees them on 2nd position at best.

[–]LaunchCrashRepeat 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why is this getting ^ voted. The head line for this post is spreading mis-info. Pirate Party won 9 of 63 seats or 14% and less than 10% of the popular vote. I'm all for the precendent of Bitcoin becoming legal tender, but don't lie about reality. Central bankers do that enough already.

[–]zoopz [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Two lies in one title: upvoted like crazy. Proof of the sheep inhabiting subreddits

[–]love_eggs_and_bacon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No they didn't http://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/elections2016/

[–]liftgame 11ポイント12ポイント  (20子コメント)

I want a pirate party in the US

[–]Xekyo 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Pirate_Party

[–]TheShadyTrader 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seriously, does no one do any research before posting anymore?

[–]PirateAdventurer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Anymore? Please, tell me more about this enlightened era of Reddit when people DID look things up for themselves.

[–]luke-jrLuke Dashjr - Bitcoin Expert 3ポイント4ポイント  (13子コメント)

Constitution Party seems like it might come reasonably close?

[–]Frogolocalypse 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Sadly, the American political system doesn't really work as a multi party democracy.

[–]luke-jrLuke Dashjr - Bitcoin Expert 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

It can if people actually vote for who they want.

[–]throwawayagin 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

A lot of the problem has to do with first past-the-post voting systems used in the US.

[–]luke-jrLuke Dashjr - Bitcoin Expert 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

That can be mitigated with votepacting.

[–]Cbbcbail [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Duvergers law.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

[–]theymos 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not really. Although the Pirate Parties have some very good ideas, and the people involved in them are generally well-intentioned, they seem to be at heart another leftist party focused on positive rights (eg. they probably think that people have a right to a college education, etc.). I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect that if a Pirate Party actually gains much power, they will fail massively due to their political naïveté and their lack of economic knowledge.

The Constitution party on the other hand is sometimes even more libertarian than the Libertarian party, though sadly they seem to devote almost no resources to marketing. Castle is probably less well-known than even McMullin

[–]luke-jrLuke Dashjr - Bitcoin Expert 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's one thing I like about them. Elections shouldn't be about donations and spending money, and candidates should ideally be promoted exclusively by word of mouth (or, these days, blogs and forums).

[–]theymos 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a nice idea, but I'm not sure if that's really practical. Both major-party presidential campaigns will probably end up spending over a billion dollars each on marketing. Though maybe it's becoming more practical as the Internet makes communication/media less centralized. And it'd probably work better on a local level than in the presidential race -- the Libertarian party has managed to win a handful of local elections, for example.

However, even though I can't help but maintain a little bit of hope that something like the Constitution party will someday be successful, I have very little faith in democracy to get good results even in ideal circumstances. Even if the Constitution party somehow managed to supplant one of the major two parties, I strongly suspect that it would be seriously twisted along the way.

[–]throwawayagin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

All of this is easier to do here because of the small population (320,000). It's double edged however because the line of private/public blurs very easily, we're effectively a large village that happens to be a sovereign nation here.

[–]throwawayagin -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Theymos you realize we've had three MP's here in power since 2013 when we began right? You could actually read about our policies instead of just assuming naivete. Or even feel free to ask me and I'll do my best to answer.

[–]kyousaya4life 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not sure what you're smoking. The Constitution party believes the US should be a Christian theocracy, believes state and local governments should criminalize homosexuality, and opposes all forms of welfare. Pirates are explicitly anticapitalist and fairly similar to the Green party, but with more of a technological focus than an environmental.

They're basically Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders, respectively. They have no overlaps in beliefs whatsoever, with the sole exception of both being against the Patriot act. Don't assume just because they kinda like Bitcoin that they automatically agree with all your shitty beliefs.

[–]PoliticalDissidents 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is one. Pirate Party is an international movement. They exist in multiple countries including the US. Just that they only seem to be taken seriously in Iceland and have still managed to win some seats at various points in time in some Europe. But only in Iceland have they shown themselves to be a viable contender for government.

[–]daisybits 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

me too.

[–]bitcoin-o-rama 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Note: the guy leading the pirate party in Switzerland is the chap that behind the Ethereum Robin Hood Group that holds all the unclaimed DAO and placed all those ETC tokens on Poloniex.

[–]Bitdigester 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Look at the numbers. The left wing parties-- Greens, Progressives, Social Democratic Alliance will coalesce to thwart any radical Pirate initiatives.

[–]PoliticalDissidents 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Pirate Party is a left wing party...

All parties left or right will likely find some of the Pirate Parties initiatives radical and put a halt to them. The right wing parties still by far would have the most opposition to the Pirate Party as much of the Pirate Parties plans more closely align with the philosophies you'd expect from that of other left of center parties.

[–]Bitdigester -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

The Pirates Party is libertarian. They would never consent to a left wing agenda of free income for all.

[–]ympostor 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Left libertarianism is a thing. Look it up in wikipedia.

[–]PoliticalDissidents 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

They would never consent to a left wing agenda of free income for all.

Funny because that's literally part of the Pirate Party in Canada's platform.

Also who said that because they're "left" they'd want to give everyone free income...

Now let's look at a breakdown some of the Pirate Party of Iceland's platform

The Icelandic Pirates want to adopt the new constitution because:

  • It answers the nation’s call for a new social contract
  • It brings natural resources into national ownership
  • It protects important civil rights such as the right to the best possible health care
  • It empowers the public and thus promotes active democracy
  • It ensures that those in authority are held accountable to the public

Icelandic Pirates want to:

  • Provide free health care for all Icelanders, irrespective of residence
  • Put an end to the chronic underfunding of Iceland’s health care system
  • Make mental health care a part of public health insurance
  • Make dental care a part of public health insurance
  • Provide appropriate treatment for drug users instead of punishing them

Their philosophy is what's called Pirate Politics. It's basically a big F off to copyright and patent trolls, pro internet freedoms, anti intellectual property rights (or at the least anti extensive intellectual property rights), pro transparency, pro civil liberties, freedom of speech and net neutrality pro encryption and so forth.

Then they coupled this with centre-left fiscal policies based on the belief of what you could call collective individualism. That we are all free that the government should be there not to hinder our freedom but rather to protect our freedom and aid us to aspire to achieve our individual goals.

It's the anti-establishment center-left (read that as I get the sense you consider centre-left to be the same as far left). Sort of the mentality of the rebellious 1960s anti war hippy mentality referred to as the new left. It's like if Bernie Sanders started to call himself a pirate and embrace drugs.

Yes it's probably fair to say some of their views share an overlap with those of left-wing libertarianism.

People have to understand that neither freedom nor authoritarianism is bound to the left-right political spectrum. The political spectrum is more like quadrant as such. But no instead people would rather have an homogeneous view of anyone on the other side of the left-right spectrum rather than acknowledge the numerous philosophies contradictory to each other that exist the same side(s).

[–]throwawayagin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Progressive is not left here, they formed the coalition last term with the conservative party. They're known as the farmer's party here in Iceland.

[–]chek2fire 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

A historical night. For the first time geek nerds will be in power to governance a country.

[–]SirCharlesV 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They have gained seats they haven't won a majority or a leading stop in a coalition government.

[–]Xekyo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

We really need a "Misleading Threadtitle" flair or something…

[–]hextree [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

More than misleading, just outright lies.

[–]Godspiral 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

How is the plan for a coalition? (It appears they did worst than we were led to believe)

[–]xissburg 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

Why does the government has to even care about bitcoin at all? Why do they have to put their hands on everything and regulate everyfuckingthing? Leave us alone. I cringe when I see people cheering when a government guy says or does something in favor of bitcoin... the best thing they can possibly do is to stay away from it.

[–]cpgilliard78 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In theory I agree with you, but at least in the US it would be very difficult to use bitcoin as day to day spending money because legally you would be requied to pay capItal gains tax on every transaction using bitcoin which would be essentially impossible and a complete invasion of privacy.

[–]moleccc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Fully agree. I would go as far as saying the government best keep their hands off the monetary system at large and also everything else in general. Those fuckwits are incompetent and they overcharge for their awful monopoly services. I just payed €860 for a ~50 byte database entry, for example.

[–]whitslack 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I agree. Everything government ever touches turns to shit. The best thing for Bitcoin would be for governments to pretend it doesn't exist.

[–]robbonz 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

The internet was bootstrapped with government funds. The moon was reached with government funds. The government isn't all doom and gloom

[–]zastels 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

We got nothing but bandwidth caps and footprints out of the whole ordeal

[–]robbonz [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

yeah government has its downside, but is better than no government. probably

[–]moleccc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

government funds

there's no such thing. It's tax payers funds or fiat users value (by inflation).

[–]PumpkinFeet 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

What does 'become legal tender' even mean? Bitcoin is already legal on pretty much every country on the planet.

[–]Frogolocalypse 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Legal tender means businesses and government must accept it as payment for goods and services.

[–]PumpkinFeet 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh I see. Thanks for explanation. That would actually be significant.

[–]Frogolocalypse 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That would actually be significant.

It would, indeed, be a 'big deal'

[–]BitcoinFuturist -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

No it doesn't, it means business and government must accept it as payment of a debt. That's not the same thing at all.

A shop can still refuse your bitcoin payment for an over the counter sale but it can't refuse you if you try to settle your credit account with it.

[–]Frogolocalypse -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

A shop can still refuse your bitcoin payment

A shop can't refuse cash because it's legal tender. The 'debt' is incurred by the consumer acquiring the good or service. I.e. i eat at a restaurant. I now have a 'debt' with that restaurant for the payment of a meal. I go to a store and put things in my shopping cart. I have to settle my 'debt' with the shop for the items in my cart.

Technically :

Legal tender is a medium of payment recognized by a legal system to be valid for meeting a financial obligation

[–]BitcoinFuturist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A shop can refuse to serve anyone they like based on their chosen payment methods. True enough if you eat in a restaurant then ask to settle with legal tender they are obliged to accept it because you have already incurred a debt but if you go to a restaurant and announce first that you would like to eat a meal and then pay in legal tender they can refuse to serve you based on the type of legal tender you want to use. The difference is subtle but it is certainly not the case that every shop in iceland will be forced to accept bitcoins just because they become legal tender. They can simply refuse to serve anyone who wishes to utilise that method of payment by posting a notice on the front door that they don't accept it.

edit - wikipedia articles states the same thing in its opening paragraph - " The right, in many jurisdictions, of a trader to refuse to do business with any person, means a purchaser may not insist on making a purchase and so declaring a legal tender in law, as anything other than an offered payment for debts already incurred would not be effective. "

[–]LaunchCrashRepeat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Legal tender means (this is only part of definition) that it can be enforced as payment under contract law and torts.

[–]moleccc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"legal tender" means noone can refuse to accept it for settlement of any debt.

[–]BitcoinIsLiberty 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sweeeet!!!

[–]MRDAT21 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

live stream for results https://www.youtube.com/c/PiratenpartijPPNL/live

Poll will close at 10pm Iceland time

[–]portfail 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

False information spreding asshole wins r/bitcoin election.

[–]Godspiral 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

the top of page party breakdown is current seats before this election? (pirate party 3rd)

[–]autotldr 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 83%. (I'm a bot)

The Icelandic branches of Dunkin' Donuts are celebrating election fever by offering special election doughnuts with the initial for each political party in Iceland.

Two parties have for many months been vying for supremacy as Iceland's most popular political party - the centre-right Independence Party and the open-democracy Pirate Party.

Iceland's Pirate Party has issued an up-front refusal to work with either of the two current governing parties after the next elections - in a move unprecedented in Icelandic political history.

Extended Summary | FAQ | Theory | Feedback | Top keywords: election#1 Party#2 Iceland#3 Pirate#4 vote#5

[–]LeeSeneses 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

*offers the bot a consoling pat on the shoulder, there there~

[–]dbvbtmredditor for 2 months 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No mention of Bitcoin on link + false excitement = Downvoted.

[–]QBcrusher 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Legal tender = monetary regulations.

Keep the BTC market free!

[–]notsogreedy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Looser

[–]daveime [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Iceland is probably one of the few countries where 2.1 transactions per second might actually be a functionally useful system.

After all, there is only 330,000 of them. They could each make a transaction at least every 44 hours.

[–]moleccc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's 2 lies in 1 title.

[–]DeathByFarts [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Title is just incorrect.

Pirate party came in third !!

[–]PixelPhobiac 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yar!

[–]bitcoin-o-rama -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

What a time to exist! We have our own digital currency that can defeat poverty and doesnt finance wars, and....We get to be pirates and say yargh!!!!

[–]TheSecretMe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apparently you have delusions too.

[–]Kl4rck -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh boy!