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Mkhitaryan and Cuadrado (self.reddevils)

blorimer542 が 投稿

Does the situation with Mkhitaryan remind anyone else of how Mourinho dealt with Cuadrado at Chelsea? He signed Cuadrado mid-season, continually said that he needed time to adapt to the Premier League, and barely played him before loaning him away in the Summer.

This may be me being pessimistic, but I remember those few months after Cuadrado was signed and this situation with Mkhitaryan reminds me so much of it.

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[–]M4NUN1T3DMartial 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think cuadrado still made the bench in that half season iirc

[–]blorimer542[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah he did, which makes me worry a bit more for Mkhitaryan to be honest.

[–]columbianflake 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

tbf cuadrado didn't look great when he was given the chance, he just couldn't adapt to the pace of the premier league. Mkhitaryan should definitely be given chance like today, he could broke on the counter with his pace and dribbling skills

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    [–]columbianflake 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Cuadrado played in Serie A?

    [–]SkoliarRSRashgod 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well he won't adapt to the Premier League if he doesn't play in it.

    [–]Edin19 16ポイント17ポイント  (22子コメント)

    Mourinho's constant insistance on playing workhorses (Fellaini, Lingard, Willian at Chelsea) over players with great technical ability will hurt us a lot over the season and may end up costing us top 4. I fear for Martial as well in this team.

    [–]tamasuperstarDe Gea 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Martial and Mkhi are workhorses though. So there shouldn't be reason to panic.

    [–]danskzwag -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Martial and Mkhi offer more Lingard is a workhorse who doesn't have much to offer bar his work rate

    [–]testbug0what's the Mata? 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Mkhi's work rate isn't an issue if he's fully fit.

    [–]ZachMichSchweinsteiger 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I get what you're saying but your examples aren't great. Willian was probably chelsea's best player last year, Lingard has been decent and he's the only player that has staked a claim for the right hand side. Everyone we've played there (bar Mata who is now playing CAM) has been quite poor. I do think it's odd that Mhki hasn't played much and would love to see him given another chance on the pitch. Martial hasn't been playing well since the Euros, Jose has given him chances but now he's injured. Its up to him to get his performances back up and i'm sure you'll see him playing when he does

    [–]IchDienMartial 8ポイント9ポイント  (13子コメント)

    It seems like people on this subreddit will perform all the mental gymnastics necessary to avoid giving Lingard the credit he deserves. He's a fundamental part of this team now and it's up to Mhikitaryian to displace him. There is no fucking favourtism.

    [–]efarfanRooney 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

    How can he even begin to prove himself if he doesn't even make the bench against Burnley?

    [–]dkkoooGiggs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    In training maybe

    [–]IchDienMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    How can people say he's better a choice than Lingard when he's not even making the squad? We do not see what happens behind closed doors, but its safe to assume he isn't doing too well. Even Memphis is getting a seat on the bus.

    [–]efarfanRooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Is it safe to assume? Miki was a beast last season. This isn't the first time Mourinho ignores players because they don't fit the prototype he's looking for.

    [–]Allard1994Good one Jose, good one. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    His last season at BVB...

    [–]Necromanc3rRooney 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It seems most people here are working with the players and always know what is happening.

    [–]KakeruAizawa -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Lingard offers no end product as a starter. He has been utter shit this season for the number of matches he started. The only time he should ever play is beyond the 70th minute when opposition defenders are tired.

    [–]blorimer542[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I don't think he's been shit, but I do wish his execution was as good as his industry.

    [–]KakeruAizawa 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Isn't execution supposed to be the main difference between winning and losing? Right now, our worst enemy is a lack of good execution. We just cannot afford to use industry as a cover-up for our lack of good execution anymore.

    [–]blorimer542[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree with you, I don't think Lingard is good enough to start because of his lack of execution. I should have worded myself better.

    [–]IchDienMartial -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Martial : 2 goals in 11. Lingard : 2 goals in 8. Played 100 minutes less. Yet one is being marginalised even when he's injured and the other shouldn't be starting games?

    [–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Willian was very good under Jose apart from last season

    [–]mazdragScholes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Willian was actually by far Chelsea's best player last season IIRC, he was basically the only good thing about their start of the season

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      [–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Idk, personally I think his best season was 14/15

      [–]MovementJRPogba 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I hope not.

      [–]prototypeb1 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Really hope not. i know hes not 'match fit' but still against burnley could have least put him on the bench.

      [–]Necromanc3rRooney -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well clearly he is not fit enough to be on the bench.

      [–]ZachMichSchweinsteiger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Its even more baffling when we aren't doing well. At chelsea when he benched Cuadrado and Filipe Luis at least they were winning and won the league so you could defend him by saying he doesn't want to change a winning side. But when we've been so poor it boggles the mind why he won't at least put him on the bench as an option

      [–]scotty1987 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Bit quick to make comparisons. Cuadrado was meh when he had a run of games, Mkhi hasn't played a full one.

      [–]blorimer542[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Fair point, but Cuadrado did only play 300 minutes in that half of the season.

      Edit: I just looked it up and Cuadrado didn't complete 90 minutes once either.

      [–]scotty1987 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      He was substituted on or off during that 300 though. Even then, he was on the bench for most of the second half of the second half of the season.

      A better comparison would be mkhi and shinji. Both from German clubs, both not getting game time. Only difference is two different managers.

      [–]blorimer542[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm just saying that Cuadrado barely got a chance under Jose, with him only playing 300 minutes and not completing 90 minutes once. His excuse was that he needed time to adapt to the league.

      I think that is very comparable to what is going on now with Mkhitaryan, except that he isn't even getting onto the bench. Which, if anything, is more concerning.

      [–]cristiano10sMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I said this before the City game, but if I am not mistaken then Jose wasn't in charge of signings at Chelsea so perhaps he never wanted Cuadradl

      [–]leonardowmd -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Why can't you people just give it a fucking rest? We've got more fucking problems, without needing these shit threads of negativity and conjecture. Getting boring now.

      [–]chickensoup1Beckham 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Don't read them then if you don't like them you retard.

      [–]efarfanRooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Miki could be a possible solution to some of these problems.

      [–]KakeruAizawa -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      We've got more fucking problems

      We've got problems because players who should play are not playing. Meanwhile, players who shouldn't play are playing. Tell me why there would be any reason to give it a rest when we are not winning as a result.