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Maybe it's time to drop Ibrahimovic? (self.reddevils)

SurilliarManchester United が 投稿

I'm not going to shit on him like the fair weather fans and there's a lot of good stuff that he does and adds to our play but...that's the fourth game in which he's cost us points through poor finishing. He is our main striker and it's just not good enough. Is the rest of his play enough to keep him on or is it time to play Rashford or Martial through the middle?

4 games - Man City (glorious chance for an equaliser), Stoke (glorious chance in the 2nd minute), Liverpool (glorious chance to make it 1-0), Burnley (Missed from 3 yards out in the 87th minute).

Of course, in the games against Stoke and Burnley, we should have battered them with the chances we had, but the games at City and Liverpool were big chances. That's a potential 11 points dropped because our main striker has not scored very easy chances.

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[–]a_time_for_us 29ポイント30ポイント  (6子コメント)

I really don't understand what's wrong with him. His link up play with Mata and Pogba and our wide players was very good but his finishing is fucking dogshit... we can drop him for sure but who will replace him ? Where is Martial ? Is he injured ?

[–]TheTrackPadUserRashgod 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Injured

[–]Shutupcrime1337Rashford 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Rashford

[–]darcys_beardLe King 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. Put Rashford in the middle.

[–]BallsX 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Really don't understand what has happened with his finishing. He's creating stuff very well and on another day, quite a few of the 1-2's would've resulted in goals but the chances that he has been missing is really mind boggling because he is the one player that you can safely say doesn't have confidence issues.

Im really hoping that Martial comes back fast so we can put Rashford back in the middle for a few games and let Ibra rest.

[–]ragaznajScholes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its not confidence. We are cursed.

[–]BHButcherKing Eric 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It happens. All strikers go through goal droughts. Why is this so hard for people to understand

[–]_tyMartial 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think so, Pogba, Ibra and Mata are building a good understanding and our team is still gelling together. Dropping him right now would be counter-productive. Right now, there's a sense of danger when Ibra gets the ball with Pogba and Mata around him and we've missed this for the last couple of seasons. I think it's time to double down on Ibra being the focal point of our attack and hope he gets out of this goal-scoring slump.

EL / League cup matches are a completely different scenario - He shouldn't be playing them regardless of how important they are.

[–]ddgsancPogba 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

His general play in the last few matches has been good but his finishing has been dire, needs to be dropped

[–]AlienwareSLOValencia 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he linked up really well with Mata today, but yeah, he probably should have finished at least one of the chances. Tough decision for Mourinho now.

[–]SurilliarManchester United[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is my thinking but even his general play isn't that far above Rashford's in linking up tbh. Think Martial on the left, with Rashford through the middle might be worth trying.

[–]dayveed1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

dont get the downvote, you made proper sense

[–]mchughoDe Gea 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't know why you are being downvoted. I would like to see that as well. Or possibly the other way around.

[–]035036503530 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

He needs resting. He's 35. It's unrealistic to expect him to perform week in, week out at this stage of his career

[–]BallsX 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Really think its time to give him a rest. Let Rashford have a go in the middle and play either Mkhi or Martial on the wing. I really miss watching us just blow past defenders from the wings.

[–]darcys_beardLe King 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How about Mkhi and Martial, with Mata at 10?

[–]cadallimore 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Drop him for who?

His finishing has been wank but he is getting into high-percentage areas (and fucking up the shots) and his link up play is great.

He is miles better than Rooney and offers hold up play that Rashford/Martial do not offer.

We should be playing more goal scorers to make up for the fact that he is in a ridiculous finishing slump. Lots of things we should try before we drop Zlatan. Rashford ahead of him? Martial on LW instead of Rashford? Mkhi in the team instead of Lingard? Keep Mata on the pitch for 90mins?

Zlatan is in terrible shooting form, but is still getting heaps of good chances each game and is contributing to our build up play. We have other ways of tackling our finishing problems.

[–]robertolu2FREEMEMPHIS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Will pay like this pop up after every bad game.

Ibra links up properly with Pogba and Mata. Now if you bring on FREEMEMPHIS more weapon, Mkhi gets some action then we will have more link up play to feed Ibra.

[–]manutd19De Gea 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

Absolutely it's time. Hope Jose has the balls to do this.

[–]alee1994 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hope Jose has the balls? Are you fucking kidding me? Who dropped Rooney? Terry? Casillas?

[–]manutd19De Gea 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Zlatan is sort of different though. They're basically best mates.

[–]WszystkoZajete20 times, 20 times Man United! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't drop Ivanović tho

[–]mrpiggywinkles52Rooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mourinho always his his "guys", Ibrahimovic is one of them. I personally don't doubt that he has the balls to do it but I doubt that he'll actually do it. Same with Ivanovic last season who he refused to drop

[–]thecricketnerdSmalling 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dunno why people always cite this one example. All they had on the bench was Baba. A poor Ivanovic was better than he was.

[–]JosephGage 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not at all.

He won so many balls and brought others into the game. We wouldn't have been so dominant without him. I'd much rather he be in places to miss chances than not have any at all.

He's a big enough character to come through this.

[–]heyoitsmeyouknowwho -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He doesn't. Not Ibra, they are buddies first and coach-player second.

[–]KING_OF_SLOTHVan Nistelrooy 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Definitely, doubt it will happen though

[–]alee1994 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

And why do you think that?

[–]WHiTeCHIICKI'd rather walk alone. 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because it took him long enough to drop Rooney. Never mind his bff Zlatan.

[–]idontknowofficer 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Remember he never dropped ivanovic

[–]alee1994 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Still dropped Terry, casillas, rooney...

[–]alee1994 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol. We had been calling out for two years for rooney to be dropped, Jose came him and dropped him. He'll drop Zlatan too.

[–]kaoticreapzRashgod -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think Mourinho might've dropped him today, if Mkhitaryan was fit.

[–]geg0714Rashford 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, it's time. Put Rashford up front, and give Memphis a chance on the wing.

[–]JosephGage 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did Memphis even touch the ball after he came on?

[–]RicciRox -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Again with this Memphis circlejerk

[–]shennanigans94 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure if this is a popular opinion around here, but I think Memphis is an absolute waste of time. For me, he has shown absolutely no sign of improvement whatsoever. He has failed to impress coming off the bench. I would play young over him in a heart beat.

[–]H-E-I-S-E-N-B-E-R-G 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ha. Maybe.

[–]fuadiansyahSir Alex 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have a point, but it won't happen I think...

[–]3entendreRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol! I posted this exact same thread a week ago and got shit for it! He has just not been good enough! Simple as. LVG was ruthless with RVP, Falcao and Welbeck for not being up to standard and I said we should maintain that ruthlessness lest we end up mid table and irrelevant. Zlatan needs to be rotated and we need to give others a chance up top. You can't have an off form striker playing all the minutes of all the league games. No wonder we're 8 points behind!

Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/5839e4/is_it_time_to_drop_zlatan/

[–]timsadiq13 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was time to drop him a few games ago. He's been terrible since the goal he scored against City. Misses the most basic chances, he's too slow to get in behind defenders and he mostly just stands around the center circle.

Amazes me how Mourinho has dumped Rashford on the left wing (where he's not very good by the way) and keeps Ibrahimovic up front.

Disappointing to see players picked over reputation instead of performances and current ability. Not saying we should bin Ibra permanently, he can still play a big role in the season, but for now he should have an extended run on the bench.

[–]dayveed1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Disappointing to see players picked over reputation instead of performances and current ability"

It seems like that is what is happening at the moment, i just dont get it

[–]oneleggedRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It might just be me but I thought he played really well today besides that one bad finish and it made it look worse because of the tempo of the game and the emotion. If we win that game I bet there would be a more positive view of him in my opinion

[–]SurilliarManchester United[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The point is that this was turning into one of those games and he gets one glorious chance to win it for us. He cannot be missing those, like he cannot be missing the header at Liverpool. That's the point. He's there exactly to win us games. He's not Rashford or Martial and if we're going to play a player as a striker so they can 'play really well with poor finishing', then play a youngster. Don't play the man we brought in to get us the goals to win us a title because he's not doing that.

[–]sara7025 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

On one hand his link up play has been superb as of late but on the other he is a striker, ultimately, and 4 goals in 70 shots isn't exactly a rosy stat

[–]SonnyisKing 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes he has cost us way too many points this season, really annoying now. 6 points from his misses against Stoke and Burnley alone, not to mention that flopped header against Chelsea.

God of Manchester? More like donkey of Manchester at the moment.

[–]SurilliarManchester United[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was going to add the Chelsea goal too but we were already 2-0 down. In these 4 matches, his goals would have made the difference.

[–]SonnyisKing 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think we were only 1-0 down at that point, him scoring would have at least gave us a chance to implement our game plan again.

[–]SurilliarManchester United[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You might be right - I think he missed and then they scored within a couple of minutes. So, yeah - another point we might've salvaged.

[–]ireallyamsomethingRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not even half chances, he has been missing sitters. During Van Gaal we rarely created chances but at least our finishing was pretty good. Mourinho not even subbing him off has been annoying.

[–]atw018 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree he needs to sit a week, he reminds me of Falcao right now.

[–]Magnehtic -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

I want Rashford up top and Mkhi at RM. Ibra just doesn't seem to care any more. He's not bothered enough to really put any effort in whereas Rashford ran his socks off today. Jose seems to be putting reputation over form.

[–]RandomFlightlessBird 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes please, if we just get 80% of Dortmund Mkhitaryan then we've got ourselves a fucking fantastic player

[–]VG-enigmaticsoulOh yesssss, welcome to Manchester United! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

50% would be good enough. Just give him a bloody chance. Is one game against burnley too difficult to have him on the bench? And why the hell was rooney and fellani subbed on. I though it was well established enough that rooney is useless, and thag Fellani only negatively impacts our attack.

[–]fishyshivers15Mkhitaryan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's not really one for pace so I don't think it has anything to do with him not caring. He's obviously frustrated and if I was 35 years old I wouldn't be using up all my energy to press and sprint to close down the defenders every minute of the game. I think he just needs to be rested.

[–]shennanigans94 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What makes you think he doesn't care? I saw him linking up well in the box, coming deep, asking for the ball, pressuring their defence, and trying to score. Pretty standard signs of caring.

[–]Naijaboy17Pogba -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The problem with dropping Zlatan is we're then relying on an 18 year old to strike us to victory. I know Rashford is amazing, but United have literally never done that. We've always had an experienced, clinical striker up top whether that was RVP, Cole, Cantona, RVN, etc.

I really think we should've gone for Lukaku or Aubameyang instead of Zlatan. More expensive, yes, but also better long-term options who can probably produce at a higher rate now as well. I think we bought Zlatan just when he had his drop-off, reminds me of when the Lakers signed Steve Nash and he fell off basically instantly after being a star the years before.

[–]GeezesaDarmian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well we certainly can rely on Rashford. He's shown that he's good enough to be relied upon, as shown last season and even this season. If a players good, why not rely on them?

[–]undertrip -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

if mkhi is not given a chance on thursday and ibra starts the next league game, then hes absolutely lost it

[–]IwanJones10Pogba -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was time to drop him 4 games ago

[–]rogues69Martial -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You think? Rashford being wasted out wide

[–]JayTemplar -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hahahahahaha

[–]omegaxLoLAnder Herrera -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe

You mean there's doubt?

[–]dwood89 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Id try Memphis upfront