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“Feminism isn't cool. Gender equality is cool. Modern feminism is a facade for man hating. Examples of anti-male arguments for feminism are things like, Man spreading, All men are misogynistic, Toxic Masculinity. If you want gender equality it is time to start identifying as an Equalist.” [+20] (reddit.com)

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[–]ButWhyWouldYou 157ポイント158ポイント  (12子コメント)

Weird how Feminism has a rigorous academic underpining and a long history of accomplishing serious victories for gender equality for both men and women.

And "equalists" have no real theory of anything and have accomplished nothing. Funny that.

[–]allthebirds 67ポイント68ポイント  (5子コメント)

you can also really tell from the ~misandry examples~ that dude has never cracked a feminist text in his life, and instead just unquestioningly accepted whatever faux spooky scary sjw outrage trickled down into the mainstream

quick edit: lol i just read the entire comment and "third wave feminism" makes an appearance too. they so clearly have no idea what that means or what they're saying! how are they so confident that they're right just by parroting what the internet says jfc

[–]twinklewinkerFeminazi Führer 46ポイント47ポイント  (2子コメント)

I love it when people go "muh third wave feminism" because you can tell they want to shit on feminists but are scared people will think they are also shitting on the suffrage movement. It's the same kind of people who share "Feminism: Then vs Now" pics with a picture of historic movements and then a picture of scary women with dyed haired in revealing clothing. It's hilarious how chickenshit it is.

"Look guys, it was cool and all back when you just wanted to vote, but let's not take things too far."

[–]allthebirds 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah every advancement in feminism, all the way back to the seneca falls days, has been marked by dudes going, well (previous advancement) was well and good but this is TOO FAR and MAN HATING. similar shit with civil rights; you can find right wing political cartoons from the sixties of MLK (who you will note is used as a bludgeon by racists today to shit on blm and other current civil rights struggles), surrounded by riots and devastation, saying s/t along the lines of "another successful nonviolent protest."

i also really like directing their attention to the radical parts of the second wave. surely y'all are down with dworkin if your only grievance with feminism is this nebulous "third wave!" let's talk abolishing pornography.

reddit guys would lose their goddamn shit

[–]scobes 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, what they mean is "I'm OK with my mum having a job, but the girls at my school are now talking about consent!"

[–]PM-me-cat-pixAnti-Gaming-Journalism-Pro-Equality Dot Tumblr Dot Com 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every time I hear someone go on about "third wave feminism" I just think

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples

[–]PhyrexianDildo(X)Exile Target Shitposter with Karma Score X 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Spooky scary sjws

Make you shit the floor

Especially after telling you

You're a bigoted boor

Spooky scary sjws

Regressive leftist misandry

They take away your vidya

And force kids into androgyny

[–]ButWhyWouldYou 71ポイント72ポイント  (1子コメント)

We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal.

-Some dude who literally enslaved people based on how they were created.

Turns out that the rising tide only raises people with boats. And minorities are regularly excluded from campaigns that are for "everyone."

[–]morrocc[🍰] 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

We hold these truths to be self evident that all mean are created equal

And when I see Thomas Jefferson

I'm gonna have him include women in the sequel

WORK

[–]DragonTamerMCT 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

Like all groups, it gets fragmented, and people only confirm their own biases.

Extremist does something? Well now automatically they speak for everyone!

Islamic terrorists exist? All 'western' muslims automatically support terrorism by virtue of being Islamic.

Some "feminist" are actually insane? All feminists are female superiority fighters/no true Scotsman.

Some black guys committed a crime during a blm demonstration? All black men are criminals.

A group of white christians commit crimes? All chr- wait, wait wait... lets not generalize here, most people are fully law abiding citizens, these guys are just extremists and no one supports them.

Not to mention the nuance and bla bla bla. Saying all feminist/muslims/black guys are ____ is like saying all christians are basically westburo because if some believe that, all automatically share that core belief.

And now I'm banned. :/

[–]sunrose8Videogames are toys and Jack Thompson was right 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Their theory is "what about the men tho?"

[–]ShitFacedSteveCucked by Opposums 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

"equalists" react to things they feel threaten them and their world view. There's no real theory, the ideas they have wouldn't exist without feminism.

[–]magnificentlmbo 38ポイント39ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm so sick of these stupid fuckers

they should all be thrown in the chokey with a few textbooks and not let out until they actually have something approaching a 101 level of understanding

[–]DeceptiveideasSocial Justice Wizard 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

And the sub it's posted in... 😔

[–]allthebirds 35ポイント36ポイント  (2子コメント)

is it twox? i don't wanna look

women's perspectives

[–]moon_physics 74ポイント75ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wanna say you're for equality just to feel superior, but not actually do anything about it or acknowledge that institutional discrimination and biases more effect certain genders/races/etc? Don't want to have to wrestle with any hard truths that you benefit from privilege and that being a decent person involves actually trying to do something about that? Call yourself an equalist today!

Person 1: Yeah, I'm actually an equalist. I think everyone should be equal.

Person 2: Uh, ok cool. Anyway, we're talking about rape culture...

Person 3: Woah woah woah hey there, lets not get crazy here...

[–]starbucks_red_cupchildless commie cuck whore of satan 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

equalist

The last time equalist did something, they nearly started a war against Benders.

[–]VoteRonaldRayGunEsq. Dilderbrd Group 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Amon did nothing wrong, all criticism is revisionist lies.

[–]moon_physics 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

As much as I love Korra, I was disappointed that wasn't explored more in the later seasons. It would've been the perfect setup to a real interesting conflict where the antagonists against the main character would've actually had a reasonable perspective. The good guys powers not being unequivocally good would be really interesting morally.

Seriously, you think in a world where a subsection of the population has incredible magical powers there wouldn't be extreme historical and institutional oppression of nonbenders? It could've been a really interesting idea to explore the politics of if that was the main focus throughout the four seasons. But instead, they find out their leader was a fraud, they get some more political representation, and then everything's peachy? Like obviously it wouldn't work that way; racism didn't end when Obama was elected, realistically there would definitely still be discrimination against non-benders.

[–]TheKasp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am truly disappointed that I had to scroll this far down...

[–]Overlysensitivekant 49ポイント50ポイント  (4子コメント)

  1. Manspreading: who the fuck cares? That's only something antifeminists talk about.

  2. Everyone is sexist: Duh, that what systemic sexism is. If misogyny was just some rare thing only a few weirdos do there wouldn't be a problem. The issue is its everywhere.

  3. Toxic masculinity: Its not feminism's fault that society thinks men are worthless unless they are violent or have dominating relationships with women.

Equalism, besides being a useless non-position just sounds fucking stupid. No one cares what you call yourself if you aren't doing anything but complain that women hurt your feelings by calling their movement the wrong word. Peace, doods.

[–]karleenamarx 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

On manspreading, the only time I hear feminists talk about it is as a symptom of larger issues (men being allowed to take up space compared to women, men taught they're entitled to maximum comfort at the expense of others, etc). Not as a serious issue deserving of utmost attention.

[–]allthebirds 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

exactly. it's just a little thing, but people run with feminists pointing out little things as being focused on those little things

remember the whole deal about how air conditioning in offices is set to the ideal temperature for men, not women? and how the point was that it demonstrated how being male is still considered the default, women are still often "outsiders" in the workplace, etc?

but yahoos interpreted this as "LOOOOOL FEMINISTS THINK AIR CONDITIONING IS THE PATRIARCHY." like being slightly inconvenienced by chilly temperatures was the great gender injustice feminists were discussing, and not being treated as an afterthought despite comprising half the population

it's like the world's most ridiculous game of telephone out here.

[–]karleenamarx 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Ridiculous game of telephone" is the best comparison. It reminds me of when I mentioned on a post that having the only PoC in a movie be the villain (a la Tim Burton...) is a bad thing because it provides only one, bad form of representation. Someone had the nerve to interpret that as "no PoC can be evil in anything ever." How is it possible to miss the point that much?

[–]cakevodka[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol I was gonna mention how people get all worked up about the air conditioning thing and how I was surprised the featured quote didn't include it...because it was a study. That was exploring ways to save money on buildings' HVAC costs and reduce their negative environmental impact.

Apparently STEM has a feminist bias.

[–]raiskream 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Equalist"

You mean the villains in Legend of Korra, right? /s

[–]starshiprarity 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well they did seem to yell "A man! A man! A man!" at their rallies

[–]stellarRecusant 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Real or fictional, shit clumps together ;3

[–]karleenamarx 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

Relevant.

Also why do dudes on reddit seem to purposely misunderstand toxic masculinity? Every time someone explains that it doesn't mean masculinity is inherently bad (indeed "masculine" qualities like honor, bravery, and duty are wonderful qualities that deserve to be lionized, as they are), and that it's not a condemnation of all masculinity, only the harmful parts that hurt men and women alike (you know, the damn definition), they always say "well every feminist I've ever met says it means all masculinity is bad." Well every feminist I'VE ever met knows that's wrong, man.

For a website so obsessed with definitions when racism comes up, people here sure do like to invent their own definitions for anything that vaguely offends them.

Redditurds: "People need to only make decisions based on fact. Fact is all that matters. Fuck feelings"

Also Redditurds: "I know you say that's what the definition is, but that's not what I feel like the definition is."

[–]cakevodka[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Ackshually, what you're referring to is 'ephebophilia.'"

[–]poothrowingmonkeySpooky Skeleton Warrior 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

[–]TheBigCon4800brigading trumpbots; this sentance is false 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

why are antifems so obsessed with manspreading like it's a basic decency issure

[–]wild_museschildless commie whore of satan 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

because the best example of men being oppressed they can come up with is women thinking they spread their legs too far

[–]quay-cur 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've read so many slight variations of this exact comment but it still sounds made up on the spot every time.

[–]allthebirds 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

i laughed aloud at this bc it's fucking spot on

folks...feminism as a word is wrong...i don't know why we can't just be...[CHOOSE ONE||equalists|humanists|egalitarians]

[–]LinnaYamazaki 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Equalist

Please don't take my bending, Amon.

[–]redminx17 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Modern feminism isn't about equality! Feminists hate men!"

- every anti-feminist for the last century

[–]starshiprarity 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the classic argument to use against conservatives that don't admit they're conservatives. When your rhetoric is word for word from a 19th century political cartoon, you've got a problem.

[–]ShitFacedSteveCucked by Opposums 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's some examples of anti-male feminist thinking: This strawman I've created here.

[–]FlyberiusWhite Genocide Denier 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have never once been told to stop "Man spreading".

My guess is that if you're one of those pricks who throws their legs as far akimbo as possible on public transport, then someone has told you to stop "Man spreading".

FFS. And even if all the women in the world went on about this, it's fucking trivial! Is that the worst we've got to worry about? Being told to not spread our legs too much. Jesus, these people.

[–]VoteRonaldRayGunEsq. Dilderbrd Group 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, manspreading is the most serious offence of the century. Truly men's greatest oppression.

[–]nodying 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Equalists are about those dangerous element-benders who have taken over society, Egalitarians are about those dangerous femnasiums who have taken over society. They are completely different.

[–]Encrypted_Curse 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

WELCOME TO TWOXCHROMOSONES, A SUBREDDIT INTENDED FOR WOMEN'S PERSPECTIVES

[–]SRScreenshotwow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

“Feminism isn't cool. Gender equality is cool. Modern feminism is a facade for man hating. Examples of anti-male arguments for feminism are things like, Man spreading, All men are misogynistic, Toxic Masculinity. If you want gender equality it is time to start identifying as an Equalist.” [+20]

At 2016-10-27 15:28:16 UTC, HillWillWin replied to "Feminism is Cool Now but Being a Feminist is Hard" [+19 points: +19, -0]:

Feminism isn't cool. Gender equality is cool. Modern feminism is a facade for man hating. In the UK among a large consensus of women 94% of them agreed that there are social sexual imbalances that negatively affect them but only 8% of them identified as a feminist. The two are not the same.

Examples of anti-male arguments for feminism are things like, Man spreading, All men are misogynistic, Man Spreading, Toxic Masculinity. Do you not remember when Feminism was about encouraging women to go to school, to stand up for themselves.

I am sorry but just looking at those examples you can see the downfall of feminism 3.0. If you want gender equality it is time to start identifying as an Equalist.

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[–]VorpalEskimoSummum bonum in mundo exterminium "albus populo". 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The friend zone is as real as racism against whites.

He's like the online version of a lonely white boy that whines about ethics in games journalism.

No whites own mirrors or are capable of self-reflection.

[–]Grammatical_AneurysmI say 'males' not 'men.' 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Weren't the equalists the bad guys from the first season of Korra?

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    [–]bmw9seriesI Frighten The White Men 16ポイント17ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I don't see anything wrong with what this man has said

    Dunno why you bothered putting that you're white, this says it all

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      [–]magnificentlmbo 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

      It's literally not even in the same ballpark as wrong. Everything on that list is just "I am completely ignorant about fact, history, or theory on this subject, but by god I have a penis and that means my opinion is important and you will hear it" repeated over and over. for example he has no idea what "toxic masculinity," means, it's obvious from the context that he's never even bothered to look up the most basic one sentence definition, but he's completely confident that it's something scary women do to victimize men.

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        [–]magnificentlmbo 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

        "anti-male arguments for feminism" is a laughable phrase, they wouldn't be able to give a date range, definition, or a handful of important theorists or concepts for "modern feminism" if you paid them, "manspreading" is a super simplified term that you can use as a dowsing rod for one-issue MRAs, like That Science Shirt and gamergaters. "All men are misogynistic" shows a complete lack of understanding of both feminism and misogyny. "Toxic masculinity" in this kind of list inevitably means "i think feminists are calling all men toxic because I'm a big fucking shitbrained dumbass who knows nothing about the terms I'm attempting to use"

        [–]anaceliterally junkless 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

        You wasted your time. He didn't actually care about an answer and everyone else here already understands.

        [–]magnificentlmbo 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Yelling at the poop makes me feel better sometimes and I'm usually too grossed out to go look at its natural habitat

        [–]anaceliterally junkless 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        totally fair