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[–]thedapperdoll [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

These are the same idiots that claim cats can be vegan and wind up killing them.

[–]undead_scourge [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I wonder if they think tigers or lions are vegan.

[–]You-On-A-GinGodforsa-kin PoC (Piece of Cis) fae/fear/itself [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Convince them to wave a broccoli at an actual tiger and let them find out for themselves. :)

[–]TomtheWonderDogProudly Kink Shames the Gordian Knot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They'd probably type up a one armed response about how the tiger bit the broccoli too.

[–]TheGreatBootyBibleGreat American Ballpark-kin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lions, Tigers and Tofu Burgers. OH MY

[–]sudden_potato [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, its pretty fucked up. BUT, it's a super super small minority of vegans.

[–]Dam_Kids [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Carnist? Rodeo slaves? wtf. How is someone's life so devoid of actual things to worry about that this shit is what they come up with?

[–]pds314 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Evolve? Misogyny? Patriarchy? Deepak Chopra? How does any of that relate to not killing animals for the fucking hell of it?

[–]NecrofamicomPatriarchy-kin. Prefered pronoun is The Patriarchy. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Apparently lack of meat can make you so delusional you think Deepak Chopra is an influential leader and not a laughing stock.

[–]Gochris10mayonnaise trumpfucker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

TIL Women don't eat meat

[–]subtlesocialistThe patriarchal archetype [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm going to day this one more time. Humans are natural predators and therefore natural meat eaters. Our eyes face forward like a predator and we are unable to digest cellulose you know that thing in plants. I'm all for people going vegetarian or vegan, what ever its your choice, but if you start claiming being vegan is the "evolved" thing to do then you sir or madam are a fucking idiot.

[–]sudden_potato [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It may not be the "evolved" thing to do, but its certainly the more ethical. Would you agree?

[–]agostinaagla [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

all these comments are beautiful

[–]SkinnerTBDYggdrasil-kin [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

"living by killing"

I would like to see you survive without killing anything.

Something everyone seems to be forgetting is that plants are alive. Exploited just as much as animals. Everyone keeps saying "living beings" when they really mean "the beings I think matter."

[–]sudden_potato [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

plants, while they are living things, don't feel pain as they don't have a central nervous system. Unlike animals, whose nervous system is pretty similar to humans, which allows us to assume that they feel pain to the same kind of degree as we humans feel pain.

[–]TomtheWonderDogProudly Kink Shames the Gordian Knot [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So, ethically, we should just lobotomize all our meat animals so they can't feel pain or discomfort right?

Great idea, vegans!

[–]sudden_potato [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Can I use the same analogy on humans? Of course we want to reduce the extreme suffering that some humans face. Should we lobotomise them? Why or why not? Would these arguments also hold when talking about sentient animals?

[–]SkinnerTBDYggdrasil-kin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"the beings I think matter"

[–]MacHaggis [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

You are one of those people that screams "abuse!" whenever someone posts a gif of a venus fly trap, huh?

[–]SkinnerTBDYggdrasil-kin [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

nope. just someone who thinks "all life matters" vegans are hypocrites.

[–]MacHaggis [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

...because you believe plants have feelings?

[–]SkinnerTBDYggdrasil-kin [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

you seem to be laboring under some assumption that I'm a crazy person. I eat plants. I eat meat. To say it's morally wrong to eat meat because it is a living being is hypocrisy.

Every organism is a "murderer."

[–]MacHaggis [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

you seem to be laboring under some assumption that I'm a crazy person.

 

Every organism is a "murderer."

Gee.

[–]SkinnerTBDYggdrasil-kin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

you think nature is lovey dovey then?

[–]Bohochouli [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, he is right. Life feeds on life, after all.

[–]TomtheWonderDogProudly Kink Shames the Gordian Knot [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Being vegetarian makes sense. There are a lot of reasons for it and I respect vegetarians.

Being vegan is just a dumb way to pretend that you're more superior than literally every human before you. Vegans say they do do it out of compassion, but their motives are usually spiteful and vain and always stupid.

[–]guavadoge [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why is it you respect vegetarians and their reasons? What do you think vegans' motives are and why are they not respectable to you like vegetarians' reasons?

[–]sudden_potato [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The global egg industry destroys 6,000,000,000 newborn male chicks every year.

5% of all egg-laying hens in the U.S. – nearly 300 million birds – spend their lives in battery cages so small they cannot even stretch their wings.

In a natural environment, chickens can live 10 to 15 years, but chickens bred for egg-laying are slaughtered, gassed or even thrown live onto “dead piles” at just 12 to 18 months of age when their egg production declines. (8)

21,000,000 dairy calves are slaughtered for veal or cheap beef every year globally.

Like all mammals, cows must give birth in order to make milk. Like human mothers, they carry their babies for nine months, then begin to lactate for the sole purpose of nourishing their young.

97% of newborn dairy calves are forcibly removed from their mothers within the first 12 hours.

Of the 9 million dairy cows in the U.S., 3 million are slaughtered each year at only a fraction of their natural lifespan. (8) Their worn out bodies become ground beef and restaurant hamburgers. (9)

[–]The_Mighty_OnionA-10 Warthog-kin, Pronoun: "BRRRT" [スコア非表示]  (41子コメント)

How can you tell if someone is vegan?

Don't worry they will let you know themselves.

I like meat and it taste good so fuck veganism

[–]pds314 [スコア非表示]  (25子コメント)

That logic. Meat=good, therefore animal abuse = acceptable.

[–]Ketchup901sudo pacman -R patriarchy && sudo pacman -S matriarchy [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

TIL nature = animal abuse

[–]sookiespy [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

TIL nature = good

[–]Ketchup901sudo pacman -R patriarchy && sudo pacman -S matriarchy [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Vegetarianism isn't sustainable

[–]sudden_potato [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Meat Sustainable Hahahaha Nigga Just Stop Feeding Animals Like Nigga Eat the Plants Haha

[–]sookiespy [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Please expand on this.

[–]Ketchup901sudo pacman -R patriarchy && sudo pacman -S matriarchy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

not before you expand on how eating meat animal abuse

[–]sookiespy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Abuse Cruel and violent treatment of a person or animal.

It's not eating the meat that is the abusive part. The problem is when we buy meat we're paying for the animal to be killed. Slitting an individual's throat is clearly abusive.

Please explain how vegetarianism (or better yet veganism) isn't sustainable.

[–]You-On-A-GinGodforsa-kin PoC (Piece of Cis) fae/fear/itself [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Found the vegan. :)

[–]Mechanical-oneMy mechanical Semen does not Foam [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Their downvote brigade that's apparently sanctioned by the admins always shows up real fast when anyone dares to make even the most harmless of jokes

[–]You-On-A-GinGodforsa-kin PoC (Piece of Cis) fae/fear/itself [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So that's where it comes from.
I was actually puzzled by sudden downvotes on either pretty neutral comments, or light jokes by not only me, but other's contributions as well.
Having said that, I didn't and do not suspect that this commenter was part of any such brigade.

[–]Mechanical-oneMy mechanical Semen does not Foam [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They're are absolutely everywhere. There is one guy potato something saying 99 percent of meat is unethical or something near that and yet we are expressly to not notice the obvious brigading when the brigaders fucking comment all over it every single time. They make it so obvious they were here.

[–]MacHaggis [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

The oldest vegan joke in the world gets downvoted, and you believe it's because of "the vegan downvote brigade" that patrols reddit for anti-vegan content?

That's...amazing.

*edit* Must have been these guys

[–]Pokemanic33Half the hetero, half the privilege [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm a simple man; I see Scott Pilgrim, I upvote

[–]Mechanical-oneMy mechanical Semen does not Foam [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Okay find me any thread about vegans that isn't instantly downvoted and covered in comments from.delusional idiots about how great vegans are and how evil everything else is.

[–]You-On-A-GinGodforsa-kin PoC (Piece of Cis) fae/fear/itself [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think to have observed that every thread on this sub is systematically 'raided' by some kind of downvote brigade.
On any subject.

[–]MacHaggis [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

...this thread?

[–]Mechanical-oneMy mechanical Semen does not Foam [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah cause we totally havent seen any brigaders here yet. Nope none at all. That guy saying g 99 percent of meat is animal cruelty was just a friendly liar passing by.

[–]sudden_potato [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hey! I wasn't lying, those stats are what I read on the net. After further investigation, maybe they aren't the most accurate stats, but I'm not purposely trying to mislead people

[–]sudden_potato [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

found the meat eater!

[–]You-On-A-GinGodforsa-kin PoC (Piece of Cis) fae/fear/itself [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ex-vegan meat eater, actually, so I guess I can haz some cred points. ;)

[–]The_Mighty_OnionA-10 Warthog-kin, Pronoun: "BRRRT" [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Yes because all sources of meat are guilty of animal abuse. That's like saying all men are guilty of rape.

[–]Ketchup901sudo pacman -R patriarchy && sudo pacman -S matriarchy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's more like saying all women are victims of rape.

[–]sudden_potato [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

hmm. While I do conceed that not all meat is farmed under cruel conditions, 99% a vast majority of animals are farmed under these really poor conditions. And it makes sense right? If we want to make the most profits, we should treat these living beings just like a "meat-producing machine", so we'll end up cramming them in as small a spot as possible, and giving them minimal care. So I think pds314's comment still makes sense.

But of course, do your own reseach, don't just take my word for it :)

[–]Mechanical-oneMy mechanical Semen does not Foam [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

99 percent. Never has there been a statistic more obviously pulled directly from an anal cavity.

[–]sudden_potato [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

the fact that factory farms raise 99.9 percent of chickens for meat, 97 percent of laying hens, 99 percent of turkeys, 95 percent of pigs, and 78 percent of cattle currently sold in the United States

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nil-zacharias/its-time-to-end-factory-f_b_1018840.html

The more digging I do on the net, the harder it is to find concrete stats. If you could help me out that'd be awesome :)

Nevertheless, check out how many animals the US alone kills yearly. http://www.humanesociety.org/news/resources/research/stats_slaughter_totals.html?referrer=https://www.google.com.au/

You can't kill billions of animals yearly without the vast majority being from factory farms. It's just not feasible.

Sorry about that 99% stat, since I can't find good evidence with a quick google for or against that, I'm going to edit my post. If you can find any reliable stats, let me know.

[–]ByromsTrexkin Pronouns:Roar/Rawr/Rexself [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

So killing plants is okay, but not animals.

[–]guavadoge [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Eating vegan kills the least plants if that's what someone is concerned about, because of trophic levels. The animals raised to become meat need to eat too, the "plants though" argument falls apart very easily even if their wellbeing is of concern despite the lack of a central nervous system.

[–]sudden_potato [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Yea it's different. Plants don't feel pain animals do

[–]ByromsTrexkin Pronouns:Roar/Rawr/Rexself [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Plants do however feel when they are threatened and being damaged.

[–]sudden_potato [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not nearly the same as how we would describe pain. They have no central nervous system.

[–]You-On-A-GinGodforsa-kin PoC (Piece of Cis) fae/fear/itself [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh, the irony.
That said, I also believe that it would be very nice if we, as a species, would stop exploiting living beings so much.
Just 3, 4 generations ago, even the juice from meat was revered, to the extent that you'd do someone a favor to hop by and bring it to them. So they can, you know, put it on their potatoes, or something.
If you'd do that nowadays, people would just get confused and/or laugh in your face.
Our (great-)grandparents considered meat and fish as a treat; a luxury. I'm not saying we should go back to that, but I'm not really comfortable with the bio-industry, either. You can perfectly survive without eating half a kilo of meat every day. It seems to me that people think it's some kind of God-given right, instead of the luxury it actually is.
So, I'd like 'us' all to slow down a bit on the over-consumption of animal products.
But I don't believe in coercion or bullying to meet those ends; I believe in respectfully spreading awareness.

[–]tobiderfischReverse racism doesn't exist. Also, is it safe to eat paint? [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

These people know that meat and especially cooked meat contains important proteins that were essential for our ancestor's to develop our large and powerful brains, right?

Vegetarian or vegan diet's might be healthier but to call them 'natural' is simply not true.