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[–]Hillbilly_DeathlordI'll show you the life of the mind 50ポイント51ポイント  (9子コメント)

They don't get it. It seems far away and impossible. But every time I hear media parrot fash talking points I think of where it could go. I'm always thinking about this. Ruins my fuckin day tbh.

[–]gypsydrifter 21ポイント22ポイント  (8子コメント)

Frankly we have already lost as best as I can tell... Fascism is on the rise here in the States and no one seems to notice or care. I'm considering immigrating in the long run, but who the hell knows where...

[–]Siopold 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm considering immigrating in the long run

Or you could fight fascism instead of running away.

[–]gypsydrifter 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

For sure, absolutely...but right now, we're pretty outnumbered here as best I can tell, and it ain't just about me any more. I have kids to think about, and don't really know where to begin other than the "every day subversion" I know how to do - it bums me out. Am I a coward? Yeah, but right now, the best life I can provide for my kids comes from me being a regular working stiff and towing the line, and my wife can stay home and take care of them.

These days, the best change towards a different and better world I can make are on the micro level. I give away food when we don't need it, I try to help people out with no expectation for reimbursement, and work in a job that provides a service that is necessary - even if I don't like the profit motive that makes it work. We volunteer when we can, we teach our kids about treating all people with respect and dignity, and we're trying to instill the idea that it's their duty to aid their fellow man. We're not perfect - but we try. I continue my education and maybe in a few years I could start some of the more subversive educational ideas I have going - but right now, we're just getting by.

The thing that is really tough for me is that most of the people I've met who are "hard core" anarchist types are really young. I mean, I'm not an old bastard, but I'm not 17 anymore either. I've had to spend the last 10 years of my life working full time and dealing with people with different viewpoints and ideas, and while I still hold some very "radical" views at my core (I always hated that term - the idea that all unjust hierarchy was wrong and that people shouldn't be allowed exploit others should be the default, not some crazy kooky lefty idea!), I've learned that most people don't think a brick through a Starbuck's window is all that great, especially they're the ones who have to clean it up at the start of their shift at $10.50/hr or whatever. I've learned that most people are too busy to get riled up about the fact that the system is fucking them. I've learned that a lot of these radical young people give up their ideals when the reality of having to work for a living sets in after college, when the reality of what it means to have to hustle truly becomes apparent.

I don't know what to do to be honest. Is it a cop out? Sure, but I guess I have become jaded in the last decade and a half-ish, but ultimately I think right now what I'm doing will be best for my family in the long run, even though it may not be what's best for humanity in general.

[–]Siopold 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

I came off as pretty accusatory in my comment which is my bad. We cant all be Valiant Warriors for SocialismTM when most of us are just scraping to get by.

[–]gypsydrifter 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

No worries, not at all, it was nice to type that out, kind of a catharsis, been working with some rather regressive folks until lately

[–]fiftypoints 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's a personal choice comrade. Of course it would be better if we all stayed and stood in solidarity, but we all have our reasons. Perhaps this person feels they can do more good somewhere else.

[–]Siopold 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Its not a personal choice its a political choice. Some people have a means to run away and some dont. I feel like the former are in a better position to help and the latter are in more need of help. I just think "fascism is coming, better get out of here" is like opposite of what a socialist should be thinking.

[–]fiftypoints 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a fair point. I'll have to think about that.

[–]iOSvista 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who said they were socialist?

[–]mypersonnalreader 20ポイント21ポイント  (17子コメント)

And it starts with so called free speech

[–]dr_rentschler 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fighting fire with fire.

[–]gypsydrifter 0ポイント1ポイント  (15子コメント)

Wut?

[–]mypersonnalreader 40ポイント41ポイント  (1子コメント)

Basically this http://i.imgur.com/n133CBn.jpg

[–]Fwendly_MushwoomIN SPACE 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love how the police officer just stands there smiling the whole time. Great cartoon.

[–]ep311 28ポイント29ポイント  (12子コメント)

Hate speech deserves no platform.

[–]gypsydrifter 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

Ok, so I hear this sentiment a lot...but isn't it better for the assholes to be out in the open about fascism so they can be "corrected?" Either "mechanically" with a nailbat or "intellectually" with education and training?

If you don't let people talk openly about ideas that you find abhorrent they will do so in secret, and then we won't know who they are, and it's a lot harder to fight the spread of ideas which are repressive when you don't know who has them.

I feel like not allowing people to talk about ideas you find disgusting is intellectual cowardice as well. We should be breaking up rallies of fascists - absolutely, we don't that shit in our communities, but if they don't talk about it openly, then we don't have the opportunity to educate them.

[–]MobocraticEgoistrelapsed to idealism 35ポイント36ポイント  (3子コメント)

I actually think anarchists make a mistake when entering the free speech question by taking a side when really they don't fit in. Usually when discussing the freedom of speech, we are talking about either government or corporate censorship. As anarchists, we should be opposed to both of these forms of censorship, because they rely on political and economic power.

Instead, I believe anarchists should focus on free association instead of free speech: if you say something repulsive, we should be able to exclude you from our spaces. This is a solution outside of governments or corporations, and thus aligns with anarchist ideals.

[–]gypsydrifter 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is a much more eloquent way of what I wanted to say. Thank you!

[–]MobocraticEgoistrelapsed to idealism 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're welcome. I don't think of myself as very eloquent, but this is a particular issue I have put a lot of thought into.

[–]EroticCake 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly - I don't want to government to go "okay here's what you can and can't say" but I am completely in favour of people getting on the streets and telling the fascists to stay the fuck out.

[–]whwhwhwhatoy 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Letting fascism spread openly is how Musolini and Hitler gained power in the first place in spite of opposition. Lax moderation concerned about free speech allowed the alt right to spread online and across many popular sites. We'll know who has regressive ideas when they outnumber us 10 to 1, for sure, but somehow I don't think that it's a favourable situation.

[–]mypersonnalreader 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

isn't it better for the assholes to be out in the open about fascism so they can be "corrected?"

They can spread their ideas to others if they are out in the open.

We are not talking about banning any idea we don't like, but giving full on fascism any kind of platform at all is fucking stupid.

[–]PainusMania2018U WOT M8 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok, so I hear this sentiment a lot...but isn't it better for the assholes to be out in the open about fascism so they can be "corrected?"

No. Fascism is not advocated or bought into out of stupidity or a lack of education. It can not be "corrected" in the sense that one can correct someone who gets a math problem wrong. It is not an academic movement, and it can not be fought as if though it were. This line of thinking is a characteristic of nearly ALL failed opposition movements against fascism.

[–]PaperCutsYourEyes 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

[–]beansofproduction 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That might work for soiled nappies but fascism grows like a weed when it's out in the sunlight. It's already happening in the Western world.

[–]Phenidickbutt -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who's to decide what is hateful? That's not something I personally would be OK with being decided for me

[–]yolops 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fascism isn't 'coming' to America -- most of us have lived under it for our entire lives. It is not contingent on the theater of which politician says the most outrageously bigoted shit being given a largely ceremonial role in the shallow state. The merger between state and corporate power began in the 70s and is now being crystallized. Abjectified communities are executed individually at home and are massacred en masse abroad. Dissidents are silenced with a multitude of pressures - including the most insidious, which is how the state now creates dissidence itself in order to predict and manage its very outcome.

Anarchists are in no way prepared to challenge this process. Even our theoretical model of "the state" is archaic - there is no one state anymore, but a network of state powers that interlock at various depths and occasionally come into conflict with each other. And the deep state, the one we don't see on TV, has known for a long time that historical cycles of uprising and recuperation are inevitable. It manages them by composing the details of their becoming while planning for the contingency that it may lose control eventually. That's when the stark realization of how our society is fascist at its core will finally become self-evident. And the old world solution of gas chambers - encumbered by their requirement to be located in place - will look quaint in comparison to what they have in store for us.

[–]funnynoises 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

I am shocked by the number of people who just don't give a damn that an authoritatian has just fucked up this country hard.

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    [–]pizzahedron 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    an authoritatian

    just one?

    [–]pastexcesses 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If you meet a fascist, shove a fluorescent light tube down their throat and punch them in the back of the neck till the tube pops.

    [–]egomosnonservoͼγᴃᴣᴚᴘᴨᴎκ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fascism ends at my boot, my gun.