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When soldiers are victims of paternity fraud... (self.army)

AlphaDog85 が 投稿

When I was PL I had a soldier whose alleged baby mama was constantly taking him to court to demand more money. He hadn't taken a DNA test, and we told him not to pay a dime until he got positive identification. He stubbornly refused to act, which baffled me. My PSG explained that his problem was that he LOVED his supposed child so much that he couldn't consider the idea that it wasn't his.

Anyone else ever have a situation like this? How did you deal with it?

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[–]Coyote_American 142ポイント143ポイント  (1子コメント)

Promote ahead of peers. If he is so eager to babysit and clean-up other's messes, he's NCO material.

[–]napoleonppCaught pikachu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I bet he could log it as volunteer hours and get the award

[–]GrindhouseMediaSPC 42A (Veteran) 59ポイント60ポイント  (9子コメント)

If he's that stupid, let him do it. If I had a baby mama come out of nowhere... I'd be like, "Bitch, before I give you a nickel, we're going on Maury to figure this shit out."

Then Maury will mention the baby mama has been on the show 9 times now, has still not found the father, he reveals I'm not the dad, and she does the usual run backstage crying while cameraman and Maury follow her, I'm on stage jumping up and down being like, "I told ya bitch! Kid looks nothing like me!" Yeah...

[–]AlphaDog85[S] 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

"When it comes to 3-month old Deshawn: Duquaan, you are NOT the father."

Have you practiced your victory dance?

[–]SGTGrumpyGillsFlyin' like an S6 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Personally, I've always thought about doing the Ickey Shuffle followed by a spike of the DNA results.

[–]YetiRoosevelt35N (reeeeee) 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Psh, amateur. Pull out your phone taped under the chair, talk to your lawyer for a countersuit while doing The Worm, fake-moon her, Funky Chicken your way to the airport, and then Jesus-pose on the Dallas Cowboys' star with the test results in hand. Now THAT'S the way to celebrate beating paternity fraud. (Note: you may want to throw in a couple of random Tebow-kneels and throat slashes for added effect.)

[–]joelupi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Number 44?

[–]jeebus_t_christछात्र 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They've got a ten-hour marathon of this on YouTube. I may or may not have sat through all ten hours. A couple of times.

[–]master_guru88427 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

back, forward, punch

[–]mechchic8491B 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But what if it is yours

[–]lateeveningthoughts 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

If the Soldier signed the birth certificate, it is a very long, very steep uphill battle, even if you prove he is not the dad.

[–]pplassm 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

In many states, it will not matter. If he acted as the father, even once, he is stuck for life.

[–]Raidicus 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

paternity and divorce courts were invented so civilians could also get a taste of the big green weenie.

[–]DocMjolnir(Ret) arded 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you pull off the judge's mask, turns out it's really a giant green weenie in disguise

[–]ToastedSoupBasically SOF 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And I would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids

[–]bikemancsDAC / Frmr 90A 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

So. not related to paternity, but to the child costs. Had a Soldier who had multiple kids from more than one mom. one of the moms was challenging that he wasn't paying enough in child support. Congressional came through, I was tasked with finding out. Wend to the BDE JAG and found out that the AR had a math formula in it for calculating child support per dependent. Did the math, provided the answer and determination to my commander. Was included on the counseling to the Soldier. Found out Soldier was paying more than was required. Soldier filed an updated pay allotment form changing the amount to what was exactly required by the Army. Fun times writing that back to the congressman.

[–]Luddite4Change 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Congressman's staff probably got a kick out of that.

[–]2goldfish 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

How did you deal with it?

Mostly by banging my head against a wall. Repeatedly.

[–]ReptarsDaddyGenerous Lover 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like the guy is a fackin winner. You would think if he had some sort of proper legal representation that shit would be shut down on the spot. Can't help the ignorant.

[–]SueZbell 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

When she takes another man as SO or marries him and he can no longer see this child, he'll likely regret not having acted. If it's his or not, he should know truth now.

Also, if/when he's paying child support for a child not his, later own any children that are his will likely suffer economically. This is especially true if he has babies w/multiple mothers -- first out gets the higher percentage and it takes a court order to change child support once it is court ordered.

Also, verbal agreements to change child support mean nothing to courts. One guy signed away custody and thought he was clear of responsibility for child support. He didn't see the child after that but long after the child turned 18, the mom sued for back child support and won -- and the "back" past due money and collection costs were garnished out of his retirement income .

This guy needs a nudge toward protecting himself.

[–]cigar_dude 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

force him to go on Maury Povich

[–]MikeOfAllPeopleUH-60M 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

When it comes to situations like this, you really can only do one thing: counsel. Anything beyond that and you are moving away from the professional realm in to the personal realm. Remember that we are a professional army now, it's not really your job to tell people how to spend their money.

If be starts having issues laying debts or mai gaining his uniforms and form of transportation, you could order him to see a financial counselor, but that is about the extent of it.

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    [–]MikeOfAllPeopleUH-60M 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well you'll find a lot in the Army that doesn't make sense. There is not a whole lot he actually can do. He can't make this soldier stop paying child support. And honestly, if he really does love and care for this child, would it really be appropriate for his boss to try to get in the way of that?

    [–]BlastedInTheFaceWanabe Cyber 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    His choice. He is far from the first person to do so, and if it makes him happy he can live that way.

    [–]PinkJazzTrancers13B Veteran 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not sure if he qualifies as a victim.

    [–]EOD_Dork -1ポイント0ポイント  (21子コメント)

    If he wanted to take care of the child, what's wrong with that? Sounds like an actual good person

    [–]aCrow 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Because, as an officer, the good LT is going to be held accountable for Joe's stupidity.

    "Hey LT, why are there so many legal actions out of your platoon? You and your PSG must not be capable of properly mentoring young soldiers. Your OER will reflect that."

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      [–]tanbootsMotor Transport 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Can you elaborate on that last bit? What's a joe-hugger?

      [–]zerogee616Big Black Bar 27ポイント28ポイント  (8子コメント)

      How about the real father take care of the kid, not some schmuck the chick managed to rope into sacrificing his time and money for a child that isn't his.

      You want to pay my bills and rent? You'd be a good person if you did so.

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        [–]EOD_Dork 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I generally agree with you. The real victim here is the child, really the soldier should just file for custody if the mother is that bad.

        [–]ColonelError11B/79R/29E 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Except OP specifically mentioned that baby momma keeps dragging him to court for more money. If OP's soldier has money problems, that is most certainly an Army leadership problem.

        [–]Kinmuan33W 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        If OP's soldier has money problems, that is most certainly an Army leadership problem.

        I agree to an extent, but you can only lead a horse to water. You can't physically control a Soldier's money, nor can you direct him what to waste money on.

        [–]ColonelError11B/79R/29E 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        No, but suggesting he get a paternity test so he doesn't throw half his paycheck at a dependa is reasonable

        [–]welder550Loves Powerpoint 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Being apart of the child's life and the Mom. Sure

        Giving free money to a woman to take care of a kid that is not his.

        Fuck that.

        [–]zZ_Mr_Hanky_Zz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Cause then Pvt whomever has no money for anything else and now becomes your problem.

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          [–]AlphaDog85[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Personal problems affect work performance and a leader's job is to ensure readiness.

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            [–]AlphaDog85[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I remember as a brand new 2LT I explained to a few of my privates all the pernicious effects of habitual tobacco consumption and then I was utterly dumbfounded when I saw them light up again.

            [–]maroon_sweateri matter bro 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I know, right?

            "Do not drink and drive."

            0200 "hey can you go pick your soldier up from the MP station? he drunk and drove"

            then the BDE commander yelled at the entire chain of command

            LIKE WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? at some point there are choices that people make!

            [–]I_LikeToRedditRandom Canadian -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Beyond slapping the stupid out of him there's not much you can do.