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My friend took her roommates dream catcher because she thought her roommate appropriated it from a Native person or tribe but she didn't - NY (self.legaladvice)

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Her roommate is a Native but my friend didn't know that. My friend tried to return the dream catcher but the tribe she brought it to said it wasn't one of theirs. Her roommate actually called the police because a dead person gave it to her and she wanted it back. My friend was arrested for theft. How much will her bail be? Will she actually go to jail over this? My friend also reported her roommate to the school for appropriation but now she knows that her roommate is Native. Sorry for all the questions but my friend was just arrested today and I'm waiting to see if I can bail her out.

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[–]HammiesCantGetMeDown 201ポイント202ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your friend is a jackass, tell her to get a lawyer and stop taking other people's shit.

[–]swalsh411Quality Contributor 184ポイント185ポイント  (0子コメント)

Her roommate actually called the polic

You sound surprised. Calling the police is the appropriate response when one is the victim of a crime.

[–]BUBBLYSTRING 144ポイント145ポイント  (28子コメント)

This is honestly the stupidest thing I've ever read on this sub.

Edited again because goshdarn

[–]s-dubya 58ポイント59ポイント  (9子コメント)

Adult breastfeeding isn't adultery was better IMHO.

[–]retroverted_uterus 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yeah im going to need you to link that post.

[–]BUBBLYSTRING 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

Ugh it was really recent but I can't find it. Basically I recall the wife filing an at fault divorce because the husband was cheating, only he didn't agree he was cheating because there was no penetration involved. I remember one of the replies being something like "if you think having another woman's nipple in your mouth isn't adultery..."

[–]s-dubya 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

https://np.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/591rjo/sc_if_a_guy_gets_breastfed_by_a_woman_but_theres/d94ywtj/

Ask and you shall receive.

[–]tinselsnips 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do we place bets on whether or not this was the same guy from the "Is paying a woman to breastfeed me considered prostitution?" post?

[–]BUBBLYSTRING 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It definitely was

[–]sgrsg 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought so, but one was South Carolina and the other was in Australia. Hell of a coincidence, though, so maybe he flew to Oz for his adultery?

[–]matts2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't see your post and yet used the same language. You clearly copied from me before I posted. I'm going to sue.

[–]MildredNatwick 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://np.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/591rjo/sc_if_a_guy_gets_breastfed_by_a_woman_but_theres/

[–]matts2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ask and you shall receive. And yet still be disappointed (in humanity).

[–]Hatter79 50ポイント51ポイント  (3子コメント)

And that's saying something. Is "appropriation" a reportable offense now? Man, all those tourists that bought souvenir dream catchers better cover their tracks.

[–]MegaTrain 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is "appropriation" a reportable offense now?

OP says the "appropriation" was reported to the school, which could very easily have all sorts of unusual student behavior policies or codes of conduct.

[–]vengeance_pigeon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also entirely possible the school doesn't give a crap... that never stopped someone from reporting anything. And/or the roommate spun it so it seemed some kind of actionable discrimination had occurred.

[–]stizzleomnibus1 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

OP actually sounds confused by the term "appropriation" in the context of cultural artifacts. She's actually using it correctly, in the sense of "to take or commandeer property". But when morons talk about "cultural appropriation", they usually just mean "to interact in any way deemed arbitrarily offensive with a culture other than that historically associated with your ethnicity". I.e., not a crime, but something that might in some cases be mildly distasteful.

So here, a thief criminally appropriated (i.e., stole) an object which she believed was culturally appropriated (i.e., used by a non-Native American), and was surprised when she ended up in trouble. This is amazing.

[–]quantum-quetzal 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I prefer where the person wanted to sue a vet clinic for tainted drugs after they stole some, took them, and had a bad trip.

[–]BUBBLYSTRING 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like all the posts with the guy who does exceedingly horrible things to his ex and now would like to know if he shouldn't have. It's always, "If a guy reports his ex to CPS for child molestation of her kids but she doesn't have kids and wasn't in the country at the time of the complaint, can he go to jail/If a guy reports his ex as stealing the engagement ring after they breakup and she got arrested for it but has GoPro footage of her giving the ring to him, can he go to jail?" Most ridiculous troll or most pathetic ex, you be the judge, lol

[–]IAmThe0neWhoKn0cks 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

So you've forgotten about Mary, kaydyn? And tom?

edit: a word

[–]retroverted_uterus 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

I personally liked the man who wanted to sue his employer for child endangerment because he was fired from his job.

[–]IAmThe0neWhoKn0cks 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Link link link

[–]retroverted_uterus 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm looking, but in the meantime this one was pretty rich:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/4xu0yy/my_girlfriend_elaborately_made_me_homeless/?client=safari

[–]Bachata22 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember that one. Everyone was surprised by the guy's sense of entitlement. It was only a "small" domestic violence incident after all. :/

[–]retroverted_uterus 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Found it!

[–]IAmThe0neWhoKn0cks 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty good. OP was very unreasonable. I'm sure he/she is still lurking around here..

[–]BUBBLYSTRING 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Which one was this?

[–]angelaelle 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

https://np.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/56p398/does_a_mom_have_to_give_back_child_support_if_dna/

Presenting Mary, Tom, Bob and baby Kaydyn.

[–]acb1971 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

How did I miss that? Holy moly!

[–]sageberrytree 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How did I miss that one? Wowza!

I am curious about the lawyer who spent 14 years in prison for refusing to cooperate in a divorce proceeding.

(Google furiously)

[–]PROFANITY_IS_BAD 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love everything about this.

[–]twistedfork 50ポイント51ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if your friend's roommate WASN'T native, giving a gift like a dreamcatcher is very common. I often made dreamcatchers to be given as gifts honoring people who aren't native when I was in school.

[–]oddmanout 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

Her roommate actually called the police because a dead person gave it to her and she wanted it back.

That was the proper action to take, seeing as something was stolen from her.

How much will her bail be?

They base it off of the likelihood they'll flee, how much money they have, etc. In this case, very very little. Couple hundred, maybe a couple thousand. Not some exorbitant amount in the 10s of thousands, though.

Will she actually go to jail over this?

Assuming this is her first time, unlikely, if there is jail time, it will be very very little and even that would be an extreme case. Maybe she'll just get some community service and/or suspended sentence, if anything. This is minor, just stupid.

My friend also reported her roommate to the school for appropriation but now she knows that her roommate is Native.

Even if your friend wasn't a Native American, there's nothing wrong with owning a dream catcher. "Appropriation" isn't a crime.

[–]dwarf_wookie 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Appropriation" is also when an artifact is taken from a country without permission. This typically comes up when the country of origin sues a museum or private collector for repatriation.

[–]frisian2Quality Contributor 47ポイント48ポイント  (0子コメント)

My friend was arrested for theft.

play stupid games win stupid prizes, meaning: if you steal shit then you can get arrested for stealing shit.

How much will her bail be?

Imposible to tell, only a local alwyer could make an educated guess.

Will she actually go to jail over this?

Same answer as before.

[–]guy_from_that_movie 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please be a troll, please, I don't want to start believing that Internet caricatures of SJWs exist in real life.

[–]AtariBasicQuality Contributor 39ポイント40ポイント  (2子コメント)

My friend also reported her roommate to the school for appropriation

Haha, what is this? Please post a followup and let us know if there is any criminal or civil action on this, because that's worth a roadtrip to the venue. That would be amazing.

Otherwise, we really can't answer the questions you've asked. There are too many variables.

[–]modaaa 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'll bring snacks

[–]AtariBasicQuality Contributor 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please make sure you appropriate them properly.

[–]GoonCommaThe 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your friend needs a therapist and a lawyer, in that order.

[–]DClawdude 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

Your friend deserves what she got. Not sure what she was trying to do "reporting to a school for appropriation." I'm pretty bleeding heart liberal and I suppose unapologetically an SJW, but this just sounds idiotic.

[–]dwarf_wookie 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm hoping OP is not meaning it in the "cultural appropriation" sense but in the "returning historical artifacts inappropriately taken" sense.

[–]DClawdude 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I believe cultural appropriation is a real concept that can damage people both emotionally and financially, especially people in a minority culture whose cultural indices become "hot" and then gets exploited while the people actually living in the culture see no actual profits from its fashionableness, and just have their way of life commodified. I think that's gross and shitty and in some ways immoral (capitalism is pretty immoral in the end). But it's not remotely illegal and shouldn't be sanctioned by a school pretty much ever, let alone based on someone's stupid assumptions as in this case.

[–]BUBBLYSTRING 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think this is an incredibly well written sentiment, but as a black American female I mostly can't get down with the common/current usage of "cultural appropriation" by my peers. It just never seems very fair. White girls twerking, white rappers, lip injections=cultural appropriation, but black ballerinas, black people who don't have a lick of Irish or Mexican in their blood celebrating St Patty's and Cinco De Mayo, Sevendust=??? What is that? Cultural appreciation? Cultural assimilation? Do as I say not as I do? I don't know. Mind you, I only have a problem when people who have uttered the phrase "cultural appropriation" to their benefit proceed to blatantly appropriate other cultures. I have a friend who talks about cultural appropriation all the time but gets henna tattoos and bindis. Has no clue as to the cultural relevance of any of it, either. I guess I'm saying that if you raise me "cultural appropriation" I'ma follow up by raising your whole life into question... I see you LaLa, wearing that awesome dashiki. Now please, tell me more about your African culture that you surely subscribe to outside the month of February...

[–]shadowofashadow 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's absurd how many times I see stories where people commit the very crime they are trying to stop. "You stole this so I'm going to steal it back!"

[–]AtariBasicQuality Contributor 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I feel like this has the potential to turn into one of those classic "shouldn't have spoken to the police" stories.

Officer: "Did you steal this?"

Her: "NO! It was CULTURALLY APPROPRIATED, so I just took it back!"

[–]andpassword 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

crosses fingers

checks YouTube

Please, please please...

[–]lawnerdcanada 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nobody here knows what your friend's bail will be. Nobody here knows whether your friend will go to jail. Your friend's mistake of fact is of no benefit to her because even if she had been correct it it would not have justified her actions.

Your friend needs to learn a couple of basic rules for living in a free society: mind your own business and keep your hands to yourself.

[–]frehsprints 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm waiting to see if I can bail her out.

I hope you can't afford it. Your friend is an asshole and deserves time in jail

[–]nderhjs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right. OP, And it's not your place to bail her out. You, or your parents, worked hard for your money, so spend it on what you need.

And if you use student loan money for her bail, then you're screwing yourself.

[–]Atomic_ad 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nobody knows how much bail will be, depends on her history with the law. It is very unlikely, but possible that she could serve time. This is potentially a hate crime since it was done regarding the "belief or perception regarding a race", reporting her belief to the school solidifies that claim. You do not get to decide which races and ethnicities get to have which items.

She needs to stop reporting people to the school for made up shit. Not liking something a person does is okay, reporting them to an authority because you don't like it is an asshole move, stealing from them because of it is a criminal asshole move. Being wrong about it is a bigoted criminal asshole move.

[–]sgrsg 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

My friend tried to return the dream catcher but the tribe she brought it to said it wasn't one of theirs.

What. How? Like, did she just drive to the nearest reservation and be like "I RESCUED THIS FROM SOME EVIL WHITE CHICK"? I mean ... what!

[–]MuhammadGoldbergSJ 40ポイント41ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're friend is a racist idiot.

[–]joeyheartbear 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think its the opposite: OP's friend thinks she's the PC police and is in charge of protecting the disadvantaged.

Which, now that I think about it, is kinda racist.

[–]Marzy-d 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm enjoying picturing the look on the face of the poor tribal official when white girl SJW waltzed in to return his "sacred object". 10/10 troll, well done!

[–]Hatter79 45ポイント46ポイント  (3子コメント)

Reported for appropriation. I weep for the youth of America....

[–]promnesiac 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

They've become self-parody.

[–]Roses_into_gold 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In "not-culturally appropriated" Halloween costumes.

Because miming an ancient celtic pagan tradition is okay, but doing it dressed up like Jasmine or Pocahontas is just awful.

[–]1deejay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Although, in our defense, Trump and Hillary.

[–]ReddisaurusrektsQuality Contributor 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your title makes me worry you think it would've been ok to take the dream catcher if it was somehow 'appropriated'. If that's the case, let me disabuse you of that notion. Your trendy college concepts don't apply in real life. It's illegal to take someone else's property.

[–]WTBTacosinDenver 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol reported her to the school for appropriation? That's the funniest thing I've read all day. I hope she has to sit for being an asshole.

[–]Puritan_Sensibility 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't really have any advice but I am curious about a few things.

Is your friend native, is appropriation a punishable offense, and is having a dream catcher considered appropriation?

I have a dream catcher that was given to me and I have Native blood so it's not a problem but it's worrying that an idiot would steal it from me just because it's not obvious I have native ancestry.

[–]SergeantKoopa 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm sorry, but your "friend" is a colossal moron. The silly notion of appropriation is not an excuse to take/break someone else's things or impede their right in this country to express themselves. I hope this person you call a friend learns a valuable lesson here.

[–]wiredinmycoffee 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

your friend sounds like a kook, i hope she does not graduate to more serious crimes

[–]quantum-quetzal 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doesn't sound like she's on the track to graduate anything.

[–]-CyberGhost- 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both those answers are beyond the scope of this sub. Bail varies widely. Same goes for jail time. How expensive of a dream catcher are we talking about here?

[–]angelaelle 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So who is in possession of the dreamcatcher now? Do the police have it?

I hope you and your friend have learned a lesson from this, but given that you are surprised that the roommate "actually called the police" it seems like you still don't get it.

[–]lekoman 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your friend should consider herself very lucky that awkwardly executing a display of totally undeserved righteousness isn't felonious, or her bail would be in the tens of thousands of dollars and she'd be facing prison time.

Seriously though, as others have said, what she did is theft, which is illegal, and she's probably got some sort of something coming to her. A fine perhaps or some community service. If any damage was done to the dreamcatcher in the process of the theft or of returning it, your friend's roommate may have a small-claims civil case, as well. Probably not more than the value of the dreamcatcher, but it'd be fun to see the roommate pursue it just to slap your friend around some more for acting like an asshole.

[–]TheRealDonaldDrumpf 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It sounds like her roommate should store her dream catcher in a safespace..from thieves.

[–]The_Impresario 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This one is going in the hall of fame.

[–]hopeful_nihilist 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You friend is going to be fine, she just needs to remember to cite the famous, "It Belongs in a Museum Defense."

Also, dream catchers were only original used by the Ojibwe tribe. Check to make sure the roommate is actually Ojibwe. If not, there is excellent Counter Claim, citing the very real tort, of Cultural Appropriation, which can be properly plead in a criminal action, so long as the flag in the Court Room has gold trim. If no dice, you will have to bring it up separately in a Court of Admiralty, at a later date.

Finally, check your privilege, it is super racist to just merge all Native Peoples into a single culture/race. You are probably looking a some hefty fines/school sanctions yourself.

[–]Anti_Obfuscator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bail will be dependent on what she is charged with.

Theft or Petit Larceny in NY - the unlawful taking of property or services valued at no more than $1,000 is a class A misdemeanor. NY Penal Law § 155.25

A sentence upon conviction may include one year and a fine not to exceed $1,000.

Your friend is a busybody and an idiot. You can buy dreamcatchers almost anywhere in North America in thousands of gift shops. Tell her to get a lawyer.

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