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[–]Turtle_Shaft 226ポイント227ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Soviet zerg rush tactics"

[–]Tom-Bombadillo 58ポイント59ポイント  (2子コメント)

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[–]Turtle_Shaft 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

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[–]terafunker 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

☄⚡magnificent bastard🔥🌊

[–]MegaAppster 162ポイント163ポイント  (28子コメント)

Where's Guns Germs and Steel

[–]WorldDictator2015[S] 66ポイント67ポイント  (26子コメント)

I figured CGP Grey worked for that since he made the infamous (on /r/badhistory) pro Guns, Germs, and Steel video

[–]soil_nerd 15ポイント16ポイント  (25子コメント)

Link?

[–]WorldDictator2015[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (24子コメント)

It's called Americapox

[–]Sim_101 15ポイント16ポイント  (23子コメント)

Why is it so bad?

[–]Okichah 73ポイント74ポイント  (16子コメント)

GGS is a "popular science" book. As such it makes some general statements for ease of reading. And its conclusions arent 100% foolproof.

But because its popular people like to find chinese americans in the armor and try and discredit all of it because it has some faults.

[–]Galveira 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

like to find chinese americans in the armor

I can't tell if this is racist or not.

[–]Okichah 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its a trap. You are now a racist.

Pick up your sheet and burning cross at the next meeting.

[–]quickflint 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Omfg that took me way too long to figure out.

[–]Evil_Puppy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I still haven't figured it out...

[–]theravemaster 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

So... is CGP grey a bad channel or...?

[–]Benlarge1 45ポイント46ポイント  (4子コメント)

CGP is one of the best channels on youtube imo

[–]theravemaster 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think so to but i got kind of confused here

[–]Mr_Piddles 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just because he's good doesn't mean he can't be wrong occasionally.

[–]guaranic 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's not perfect and people knock him for that.

[–]fostie33 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

chinese americans

kek

[–]105Hummel 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because people disagree with it

[–]Mr_Mau5 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

What do they disagree with?

[–]FuriousFap42 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Go to his subreddit, find the video and go to the comment section. I have yet to see a single historian who argues against the actual theory and not some strawman version of it or some semantics bs

[–]Johnny_Horsecock 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lotta those subs anything "bad" is something that is not a part of the dialectic.

[–]105Hummel 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They dislike the facts presented and the research techniques that went into it. Personal disagreements which leads them to smugly believe the entire thesis is incorrect.

[–]stongerlongerdonger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There were big cities in North and south america

[–]RZ1999 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Came to the comments just to post exactly this.

[–]CommissarRaziel 175ポイント176ポイント  (4子コメント)

Shit, this is 100% me.

needs more lindybeige tho.

[–]99639 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

lindybeige

May I suggest the following?

https://www.youtube.com/user/neosonic66

https://www.youtube.com/user/scholagladiatoria

[–]CommissarRaziel 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not to forget:

good ol cody - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClfEht64_NrzHf8Y0slKEjw

binkov for hypothetical modern war scenarios- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPdk3JuQGxOCMlZLLt4drhw

indy for your daily dose of ww1 - https://www.youtube.com/user/TheGreatWar

MHV for even more war - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK09g6gYGMvU-0x1VCF1hgA/featured

I just noticed that i'm really war focused...

[–]treoni 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just noticed that i'm really war focused...

Let's be honest, you're more of an ork kinda guy.

[–]lorralorralarfs 54ポイント55ポイント  (7子コメント)

I don't know history well at all tbh but Sabaton are great. They put on some awesome live shows.

[–]treoni 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

THRU ZHE GATES OF HELL! AS WE MAKE OUR WEEY TO HEAV-UN!

[–]insertkarma2theleft 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Have you heard their new album?

[–]lorralorralarfs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not yet, but it's on my list for next time I'm at work lol I work in the stockroom at my job so I'm basically listening to music the whole time

[–]Knubinator 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh it's so good. The Last Stand is just so fucking catchy.

[–]CauselessMango -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I haven't heard it all yet but from what I have heard it sounds 100% bland and the same.

[–]Theelout 85ポイント86ポイント  (7子コメント)

Shit Wehraboos say AND Muh Germangineering?

also tbh you got me square in the bullseye to be quite honest fam

[–]Jandklo 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

Wehraboos and tankies alike get on my nerves

[–]tdogg8 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

How is SWS a tankie thing?

[–]Jandklo 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not I'm just bringing tankies up because I wanted to.

[–]terafunker 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's never a bad time to bitch about tankies.

[–]HeresCyonnah 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

SWS bans commies.

[–]Onslow_Skils 42ポイント43ポイント  (4子コメント)

Leave Sabaton out of this!

Also needs more "Actually Churchill wanted to kill x/y/z so he's basically Hitler"

[–]GriffsWorkComputer 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

AND THE WINGED HUSSARS ARIVED!

[–]Siegfried262 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

COMING DOWN THE MOUNTAINSIDE!

[–]GriffsWorkComputer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then the winged hussars arrived Coming down they turned the tide!!!!!!

[–]MarxistZarathustra -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe I'm not getting anoke but churchhill has proven at least somewhat fuilty for a variety of things

[–]MasterU571 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

uh oh. I finally found one that's me.

[–]pickelsurprise 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

Needs more World of Tanks.

Seriously, I just want to go rewatch the cool tank battle scenes from Fury, and then some kind of morbid curiosity always compels me to scroll down to the comment section to read a bunch of youtubers' accounts on how Tigers were literally indestructible and showing anything being able to damage them is just American propaganda.

[–]Slukaj 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

EVERYONE knows REAL tank historians play War Thunder.

inb4 russian bias.

[–]OnlyRadioheadLyrics 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

R A S H I A N B I A S

[–]jimopl 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh lordy

at least its getting better on /r/warthunder! Not as many posts showing up on /r/ShitWehraboosSay, in fact Id argue the sub is getting more and more USA biased instead even as the games internal bias moves more towards the Germans than the Soviets, at least with tanks.

[–]WTFmanO_o 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair that scene is complete bullshit in a way. Not from a "duh but the tiger is far superior no sherman could ever penetrate it at any range" but from a tactical point of view.

[–]Kubelecer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

kommandant vi hav destroyed zhe enemi tank, and vi ar hidden.

HANS, FORWARD TO GLORY. ZHE KRUPP STAHL VIL PROTECT US.

but dey don't know vhere vi ar, ant it's hard to shut vhile moving

hans, i ghav you order

[–]arcadefire111 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Aha this is me but with Civ V instead of VI

[–]rsmithspqr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you fresh out of cash and worlds to conquer

[–]dougm68 62ポイント63ポイント  (25子コメント)

Dan Carlins hardcore history is excellent. I repeat his history lessons frequently

[–]Danny_Browns_Hair 29ポイント30ポイント  (8子コメント)

Not really excellent. Entertaining, sure, historically 100% accurate, not

[–]TamaskanPCG 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Are you very knowledgeable in the field?

As someone who likes to read history as a hobby (completely non academic), I'd like some recommendations on authors, right now I'm with Hobsbawn, is he good?

[–]Danny_Browns_Hair 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Unfortunately, I'm not, I can recommend my favorite historical book of all time, but I'm by no means a expert, or close to one

[–]TamaskanPCG 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

no problem, but do recommend :)

[–]Danny_Browns_Hair 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt is amazing

[–]dukedevil0812 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can you give some examples of his mistakes?

[–]BreaksFull 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. Great pop history and decent overall, but he's not primarily an educator.

[–]Joe_Snuffy 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm writing a paper on WWI and the Christmas Truce and decided to listen to a couple parts of Blueprint for Armageddon where he talks about some of the events that I'm writing about and just got completely sucked in again. I only meant to listen to 5 minutes here and there, nope, mandatory HH marathon.

Disclaimer: I did not use HH as a source by any means, simply used HH as 'motivation'

[–]dougm68 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I completely get that. He's quite a story teller. My personal favorite is the Ghengis Khan series.

[–]Joe_Snuffy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm going to have to give that series another shot. I'm always hearing people rave about how good it was, but for whatever reason I couldn't get into. Although that is most likely because I tried to listen to it at work, so having to pause every few minutes to talk to people probably ruined the flow. My favorite is the WWI series. I have always been extremely interested in the two World Wars, but WW2 kinda shadows WW1 in terms of content so Blueprint was enjoyable because its really the first entertaining telling of WW1.

I've actually been thinking how a WW2 series might be, but honestly I think that a WW2 series might suffer because the history/story of WW2 is so well known.

[–]DuckSmash -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yeah i came here to mention Dan Carlin is a legitimate great author on history

[–]Pablo_el_Tepianx 46ポイント47ポイント  (7子コメント)

He's legitimately not a historian.

[–]Joe_Snuffy 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

And he mentions exactly that every chance he gets. Shit, he'll go out of his way to just reiterate that he's not a historian, just a fan of history.

[–]40kfreak 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

ah the supahotfire defense

[–]Mr_Mau5 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is a great teacher though.

[–]bukkake_bonanza 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Need a visual representation of 90 hours of community college credit but no degree.

[–]Alexander_Baidtach 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

Armchair Historian General.

[–]treoni 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

/r/totalwar finds this accurate.

[–]ProWaterboarder 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I figured totalwar would make it to the armchair historian starter pack, seeing as how it's very historically accurate

[–]TellAllThePeople 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is nothing armchair about Paradox games.

[–]Duckbilling 44ポイント45ポイント  (7子コメント)

You forget the "USA military is the sole reason Germany was defeated"

And denying

  • Russian military
  • UK military
  • USA weapons, food and oil
  • Azerbaijan oil fields
  • penicillin

And many other factors had a lot to do with it

Edit: Canada and the strategic maple syrup reserve

[–]pickelsurprise 63ポイント64ポイント  (1子コメント)

I tend to see these three camps equally:

  1. The US completely saved Europe.

  2. Russia could have won the entire war singlehandedly.

  3. German military technology was so advanced that literally nothing could beat it.

These are all absurd, but honestly the wehraboos are my favorites. The way they talk about Nazi Germany makes it sound like they could have won the entire war with like maybe five Tiger tanks, but at the end of the day they still, you know, lost.

[–]Enthused_Llama 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget they could totally take on modern militaries!

[–]Datastream 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'd say one of the more important reasons the russians could even move up at all is because of the lend-lease deal and that the russians got massive amounts of food and military steel from the US.

[–]Bonzi_bill 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

And even with all of that nobody ever talks about just how close the Nazis were to wrecking Russia. Stalingrad was really the USSR's last hope, and it was due to a few choice errors that the German advance was slowed enough to allow for the Soviets to re-mobilize

[–]Duckbilling 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. I have listed this. Logistics won the war, along with many other factors. That's the point, no one thing won the war on its own.

[–]xenokilla 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

hey, fuck you. Canada took Juno beach on d Day

[–]Muntberg 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

This sub is really starting to get savage.

[–]ShepPawnch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah this one really got me locked down.

[–]trckdsd 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Me at work trying to be an armchair historian:

"Well the Roman Republic fell because... well... it was a couple of things... but it was like once one guy got murdered, the flood gates were opened and several of the subsequent rulers were assassinated as well... but that's not the main cause... um... you should listen to Hardcore History, there's a really interesting series about it."

[–]Lawsoffire 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

so anti-Wehrabooism and Wehrabooism?

Also that's a Panzer IV, Wehraboos like Panzer V "Panther" and Panzer VI "Tiger"

And CGP Grey haven't really done history videos in a while

And Paradox are too busy making space games

And Civ VI is barely released so it's a bit too recent for a starter pack

No clue what hardcore history is though but Sabaton is the shit

[–]radiodialdeath 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Too busy making space games? Since Stellaris they released Hearts of Iron IV and a major DLC expansion to EUIV (the most significant one in quite some time).

[–]WorldDictator2015[S] 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

The point of putting /r/ShitWehraboosSay on there was to demonstrate that most of the crap Reddit historians say belongs on that sub.

[–]HeresCyonnah 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ahhh, I thought you were somehow saying they were as bad as the "muh german engineering."

[–]wingnut5k 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, r/shitwehraboosSay is so close to being great. Unfortunately they are the opposite extreme. If you say one thing remotely positive about their military at all you are basically Goring.

[–]Lan777 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking tankaboos, man

[–]Generic_Green_Squid 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

You've nailed it with CGP Grey.

He usually makes 'DAE automation is future and humans sux amirite' videos nowadays.

[–]flameoguy 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right? I was really intrigued with his video on traffic until he pulled a 'NOPE! POST-SCARCITY IS AROUND THE CORNER AND THE FUTURE IS NOW LOL XD SUBSCRIBE FOR MORE COOL SCIENCE FACTS!'

[–]AwfulThomas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just watched the end of the video again. "Self driving cars will make traffic more efficient" is a lot different different then saying post scarcity is around the corner(not to say he doesn't say that in other videos). You made quite a strawman there. edit: reworded

[–]Murican_Freedom1776 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

He is almost exclusively pandering to the /r/Futurology type retards. All his videos are doing is confirming what people, especially teenagers and young adults want to hear since they make up a majority of YouTube and Reddit. If you can get a video on the frontpage of Reddit, it will get resposted everywhere. News articles, blogs, Facebook, and it will trick YouTube's algorithm into making it a trending video and suggested video on millions of YouTube watchers homepage.

The same principal applies to almost everything, including news articles. That is why you see a news article on the frontpage that makes you think, "Jeez, Reddit is eating this up." Those news sites don't care as much about accuracy as much as they do clicks (ad revenue). This is also why a couple of the favorites of many news sites to cover is Elon Musk and Bernie Sanders.

If you make it to the front page, whatever you posted will be rehosted, reshared, and talked about on many other sites besides Reddit. You can almost guarantee that.

[–]laeuftbeimir 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't believe there are still sane people on reddit in regard to his videos. There are definetely interesting videos, but the new ones are mainly "robots will take over anything" and "humans are inferior to all technology". There is nothing wrong with speculating, but his viewers seem to be mainly underage boys that believe everything as long as it sounds reasonable. A lot of the reasoning behind his ideas appear odd to me, like, of course there will be a point in time when self driving cars are safer than humans, but saying that this will make humans useless.. I don't think so.

[–]theravemaster 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Im kind of confused now... i know about hardcore history and CGP history and i find booth entertaining but the other parts confuse me a bit, and does this hint at Carlin and CGP being bad at history or...?

[–]Radixeo 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's making fun of people who watch a 10 minute video then act like they're experts on the subject.

[–]thurask 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not enough Red Orchestra.

[–]PanzerKpfwVI 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/unexpectedsabaton

[–]valkyrie_village 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love that this is a thing

[–]StockholmKung 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why? Why is this a thing reddit??

[–]Redplant96 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's armchair historians on here who haven't even dabbled in any of that..

How low do the entry requirements go?

[–]ibegross 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aren't all historians armchair historians??

[–]Someshitidontknow 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Guns, Germs, and Steel was categorically debunked and Jared Diamond is the laughing stock of serious historians like me and my friends on the internet."

[–]Razernation 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wikipedia is up there, too!

[–]AwesomeName7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Had never heard this term, had to look it up. Sounds vaguely like me, but also not.

[–]Vbarb 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Needs more people's history of the US and guns germs & steel

[–]Lan777 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh yeah? Well what about that time insert random fact from a buzzfeed or cracked list of top 10 most somethings in history

[–]GamingRedditor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh fuck

[–]bigboy6944 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

me_irl

[–]tooyoung_tooold 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You forgot the assassins Creed

[–]PacoTaco321 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hate /r/ShitWehraboosSay because over there you'll get downvoted to oblivion for acknowledging anything that German did that actually was well designed.

[–]fearguyQ -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Luckily Dan Carlin frequently reminds us that he is no historian.