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Get a grip, guys (self.reddevils)

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I'm seeing a lot of people shitting on our players for this performance, as they should, but a lot of it is attacking their work ethic and whether they care about the club or not. Christ there's a thread shitting on Zlatan because he smiled when shaking someone's hand after the game. And he was dropping deep the entire game trying to influence things so shows how much they know.

Firstly, these guys definitely care. You think it's bad as a fan, but I'm pretty sure it's so much worse for them when we lose. They're the ones receiving the criticism. They're the ones that have to live with it.

Do you guys seriously think they don't want to win the league? That they only care about the money? Is that why they spent an ungodly amount of hours every day practicing football? Come the fuck on.

And people will point to our performance today as a counterpoint. Where's the evidence? We were outplayed, end of story. Running a lot isn't a barometer of whether a player cares or not. Tevez fucking ran a lot, and we know how much he cares about the club. There's tons of other factors to account for our poor performance. Pogba dallied on the ball? No shit, the movement around him was poor, what the fuck can he do, pull an elastico from his ass and score from 50 yards? If Zlatan cared more would he have hit his header a bit lower? He scores that and it's a different game. We were let down by shit finishing, and we need to work on that.

Our defence was shocking, obviously. Players have bad games. It happens.

And I feel like I should point out the obvious, that we played 3 days ago, without much rotation. Our defence was unchanged. Want to know why it looks like they don't give a shit? Fatigue. 2 days to recover isn't a lot of time at that level, especially without rotation.

Also, Chelsea had the whole week to rest and focus on our game. We had to prepare for both them and Fenerbache. I'm not making excuses, but a little perspective here, because it's obviously needed.

Tldr; calm the fuck down. No need to make ultimatums and say that our club is fundamentally flawed and all that nonsense, because everyone was chipper a week ago. We're barely 3 months into Jose's reign. So have some fucking patience.

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[–]TimmyBashSchweinsteiger 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

You havnt been here much have you. We need to vent before any reason comes in. Let us vent mate.

[–]BloodyMess111 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's kind of human nature. Its not unique to r/reddevils

[–]ic0n805 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This subreddit gets pretty toxic after a loss. Everyone is shit, nobody cares, poor tactics, why did Fellaini start, etc. Everyone is a pundit after losses

[–]DeniedDestiny 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What matters now is the reaction. It's still early days and as plenty have pointed out, we're only 6 points behind. Other top teams are putting in poor performances and dropping points, too. Time will tell if this team is good enough to get back to the top, time will tell whether or not they deserve to. If they don't, that's too bad. We're not entitled to success, the team has to work for it. So if they can't, we'll enjoy the highs, suffer the lows, until the team is good enough to reach the top again. That's football.

[–]redz615 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I totally agree on the fatigue thing. We looked to ha e no gas or imagination from the outset. Not sure we were completely bottomed out but for sure less energetic than normal and Chelsea was on fire from the top. Looked much much fresher. City in 3 days is worrisome.

[–]BloodyMess111 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks Mum.

[–]noveKiRvP 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Tevez analogy is perfect. I don't care how much you'd like to bleed for this club - the guys that do will forever be admired and loved by the fans and for the guys that don't atleast if you don't bleed for United then bleed for you, for your career and if that means bagging the goals, getting the assists or throwing yourself at someone, DO IT!
Zlatan can smile from now to kingdom come, he's the striker that needs service and if our piss poor midfield cannot give him the ball and he can't score then fuck 'em. Guy was dropping deep today and doing his part.

[–]LivinGhosT 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I haven't gotten to watch the game yet, but from what I've read comment wise here, it seems like we were just playing lazily. I'm thinking specifically of the hazard goal (I've only gotten to watch replays right now). Were we THAT lackadaisical the whole game?

[–]availableusername10Beckham 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That post about Zlatan smiling really shows what a bunch of fucking children football fans can be sometimes. They want players to jump around and get angry and throw tantrums at the end of a big loss because that's what we as fans do, and we think that things like that show passion. Why do we attack players like Costa for doing the same thing then? Why do we make fun of other players and managers for being sore losers? Not throwing a temper tantrum doesn't mean you don't have passion; it just means you're not a fucking child.

[–]ddgsancPogba 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why is this being downvoted? You had some really solid points

[–]efd21 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

If nothing else they spend an ungodly amount of time practising football because they're contractually obliged to do so...

I have full confidence that they want to win the league, but whether they want it enough, or believe that they can is a different point entirely. Although I agree with a lot of what you're saying this club has had a problem for 3 years and 3 different managers now, not to mention hundreds of millions of pounds spent on so called superstars. We're collecting poor performance records like kid's participation trophies, and it's at a stage in which it's almost looking like we have some institutional inability to perform. Fans are going to get carried away after losses like this simply because we've been trapped in this nightmare for 3 years. I wasn't at the game today but I've never seen United supporters so resigned to poor performances.

Regarding Pogba being caught on the ball and his decision making in general that's been discussed all season (2nd half of the City game when Fernando was brought on is probably the best example - his play led to 2 solid counter attacks City should have put away). He did it a fair bit at Juventus as well - he often doesn't play the simple ball first time and gets himself into trouble. He'll learn.

I agree with the rest of it about today's match. We were rocked early, missed chances and couldn't recover.