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[Post Match Thread] Chelsea vs Manchester Utd (self.reddevils)

DatGuyRichValencia が 投稿 - announcement

FT: Chelsea FC 4 - 0 Manchester United

Pedro 1-0

Cahill 2-0

Hazard 3-0

Kante 4-0

Official MOTM: The Away Fans.

Next Game: at home to Manchester City on Wednesday 7:45PM

Next PL Game: at home to Burnley on Saturday 3PM

Lets hear your thoughts!

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[–]FootballRobbChicharito 279ポイント280ポイント  (86子コメント)

Go on a bad run of games, win against a shit team convincingly, get our hopes up, get a shockingly bad result next game, talk bullshit about what we should have done. Rinse and repeat. Story of our team in the last 3 years.

[–]BBQ_HaX0rStannis the Mannis 51ポイント52ポイント  (65子コメント)

Right, so what's wrong with the squad? This is getting absurd.

[–]tammodi 75ポイント76ポイント  (26子コメント)

Today, mentality. Chelsea's players were far more fired up than ours.

[–]addoddMartial 49ポイント50ポイント  (4子コメント)

And our whole game plan fell apart when we conceded 30 second into the match

[–]HerbertChapmansGhost 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Quality and the lineup. Not mentality. It's clear as day. The defending from Smalling was awful, and United had no controllers in midfield with outlets out wide. Carrick is needed if Rashford is out wide.

[–]BBQ_HaX0rStannis the Mannis 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

If they played like that last season Jose may still be their manager. Still, our players aren't up to snuff far too consistently.

[–]PenPaperShotgun 24ポイント25ポイント  (7子コメント)

Maybe the reason they didn't play like that was because Jose was their manager

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      [–]disad1ers 17ポイント18ポイント  (21子コメント)

      Back four is nowhere near good enough, limited up front with Ibrahimovic as well.

      [–]Flick_My_Bean_Geoff 18ポイント19ポイント  (18子コメント)

      IBRA isn't the problem. What did lingard offer today? We need our wingers to be effective. Martial needs to pull the finger out and mkih needs to do the same

      [–]AMAaboutAMemphis 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Lingard had dangerous runs and a shot that rebounded to a perfect place for someone to tap-in. Ibra was shit also, but had some nice passes which didn't connect.

      [–]Shadowbanned24601Formerly /u/colmshan1990 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Lingard was RB in the first half. Rashford was LB, and the whole of the back four were in between them.

      [–]wtcchhh 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Ibra isn't the problem yes but to be fair you expect a lot more from someone with his reputation and achievements in football.

      [–]KutombaWasimamizi 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

      PSG fans were saying he's an /r/soccer type of superstar. you'll see his highlights on the front page and be like 'wow this guy is amazing' but if you watch him for 90 minutes week in week out you think he's good but not incredible

      [–]disad1ers 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I'm not saying Ibra is the problem, but he does limit us. Ibra is a player who works when he's being crossed at, he's not one to get behind the defence. Martial, Lingard and Rashford all like to cut inside. Mkhi is the only one who is of a cross first mentality, but we haven't seen anywhere near enough of him.

      [–]PenPaperShotgun 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It's hard to be an effective winger, when your striker stands still all game

      [–]Appsy14Vidić 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      On the flip side, it's hard to be an effective striker when your wingers provide you with little service all game

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          [–]McGrifty 24ポイント25ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Rooney /s

          [–]d4zzanJose Mourinho 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Relevant. I hope Wayne isn't a scapegoat anymore after this loss.

          It's clear this team has issues that stem way way way past him.

          Hope he comes back with a clear head and returns well from his injury. Last year when he returned from injury in January he absolutely smashed it!

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              [–]Remy_LaCroix_ 74ポイント75ポイント  (12子コメント)

              foreign united fans can now feel what it's like to support England.

              [–]StealthstrikerRooney 30ポイント31ポイント  (4子コメント)

              for fucks sake man, my national team sucks i dont need to go through that twice

              [–]Nimonic 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Norway is now 81st on the FIFA Rankings, the lowest its ever been. So... yeah.

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                [–]MadMulalo 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                This is so depressingly true. I had my hopes up for this match/season. I still have faith though.

                [–]sanchay_wadhwa 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                This is what depression feels like.

                At the end, the players are getting their paychecks and we're the ones who've wasted 90 minutes of our life and will suffer in the days to come.

                [–]MichelPlatiniManchester Red Devil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                LVG was a god against the top teams. It was the complete opposite last season.

                [–]rogues69Martial 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Hope people realise what a task Lvg had on his hands. People who ejaculated when Jose was announced as if that was a guarantee of the title this year need to wake up. Two big games we have been poor tactically and in the third we parked the bus. If you go out to defend and draw every big game then more often you end up losing. And FFS stop playing zlatan up front he's as shit as Rooney.

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                  [–]kaariainenSmalling 120ポイント121ポイント  (8子コメント)

                  The third goal where Hazard just stopped the play and three of our defenders did absolutely nothing tells the whole story, not just about this game but for the season so far. So very worrying. Why should we care when most of the players clearly dont? Oh and i blame Rooney for this one.

                  [–]iAmRealCarlosDangerEd Woodward 52ポイント53ポイント  (6子コメント)

                  Rooney atleast seems like he gives a shit.

                  [–]kaariainenSmalling 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  The Rooney bit was a joke, shouldve add the famous /s

                  [–]iAmRealCarlosDangerEd Woodward 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  I know it was a joke, I meant that the players today didn't give a shit but Rooney as inconsistent as he has become, he atleast always seems like he tries hard to do well.

                  [–]kaariainenSmalling 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Oh okay got you. Yeah say what you will but he gives everything especially in these kind of games

                  [–]lucabrasistuff 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  I don't even feel like it's lack of effort that cost us. It was a factor but giving a shit wouldn't have been enough. This game was crying out for Carrick imo. We couldn't pass for shit. And for some reason Mou decided Fellaini as a CF was a good idea.

                  Plus at least with Rooney not starting, fans can identify problems and give criticism. Rather than him somehow taking 95% blame like he usually would.

                  [–]iAmRealCarlosDangerEd Woodward 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Did your see our defending? All 4 goals were caused due to careless defending. It was definitely lack of effort. Carrick in midfield would obviously would have helped to control the game. I think we are just lacking quality.

                  [–]lucabrasistuff 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Being careless and not putting in effort aren't the same thing imo. That being said I agree that not enough effort was put in overall. Especially by our midfielders (mainly Pogba).

                  I'm just saying I feel like that alone wouldn't be enough. Every time we lost the ball, we'd constantly be hit on the counter. And with Herrera and Pogba wandering from their positions every few seconds+ Fellaini trying to be a striker, our midfield would get walked through. Tactically we were extremely poor.

                  [–]YoungJumpRvP 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I blame Rooney (obvs) and Bastian. He wished us a good weekend but instead jinxed us

                  [–]kekslovakia 48ポイント49ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  i hate THIS game !!! Hahahaah

                  [–]CroneKillsMartial 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Lol I'm angry as fuck, but thanks for the laugh.

                  [–]respectthecheckFellaini 82ポイント83ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  /r/mufc_irl :(

                  [–]tammodi 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  me too thanks

                  [–]d4zzanJose Mourinho 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Man who had nothing to say at Stamford Bridge after a huge loss, realizes he still has nothing to say, at Stamford Bridge after a huge loss.

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                    [–]ikatag 147ポイント148ポイント  (25子コメント)

                    Cant handle losing 4-0 and see players smiling on the pitch in the end

                    [–]Spitfire1200Memphis 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Probably the worst part. Mata was really the only one that looked pissed at the result. Just embarrassing.

                    [–]LukeTheFisher 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    De Gea too. Zlatan looked like he just got a blowjob from a Brazilian stripper.

                    [–]WeAreVereorNox 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Ibra smiled and traded shirts. That set me off like moyes saying city were a team to emulate.

                    [–]TheTazTurnerRooney 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    These guys are getting paid millions to play the game they love, they're going to smile. It's probably a good feeling seeing someone's eyes light up when you trade your jersey too. We should keep in mind that these players are people too. I agree though, they should be furious with their performance because it was far from acceptable.

                    [–]paulpmcg 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    He's a striker that hasn't scored in like 500 minutes. He should be pissed regardless of the result. It shouldn't be a good feeling to see someone's "eyes light up" because they want your jersey after they smashed you 4-0.

                    [–]K-rock7Pogba 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I turned it off before the end, who was smiling? That's pathetic

                    [–]ryan4pieGiggsy 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Seriously, if I just got stuffed 4-0 I would be straight off and furious with myself and teammates. How on earth can these guys be happy?!?!

                    [–]ccdewa 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Getting paid mate

                    [–]ryan4pieGiggsy 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    True, and they will keep earning millions. I think we need to take a long hard look at ourselves, can't justify paying players over 100,000 a week when they are piss poor. Need to sort these pay checks out.

                    [–]tallmotherfuckerShaw 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    We've become a glorified Adidas commercial. Dark times indeed

                    [–]manutd875 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    They're still taking home ridiculous wages so they so they could give two shits

                    [–]MotecuhzomaIt doesn't even Mata 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    "Oh shucks, I better buy myself that BMW on the way home. That'll cheer me up!"

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                      [–]SlappyBaggMichael "The Knife" Carrick 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Embarrassing. Need to catch a grip.

                      [–]Count__Duckula 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      That pissed me off. If you really dont give a fuck at least wait until you reach the tunnel. The total lack of self awareness to do that on the pitch in front of millions of fans watching astounds me. Or maybe they really don't give a shit.

                      [–]whydoyouonlylie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I miss the days of Keane having a go at the young players not taking losing seriously. Remember the story of him smashing someone's phone after a loss because they were calling the car dealership to sort out upgrading the one they already had not a care in the world about the result.

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                        [–]YoungJumpPogba 151ポイント152ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        We're the most expensive Stoke team ever put together

                        [–]MrTroyBoltonToney M 61ポイント62ポイント  (15子コメント)

                        Smalling was pretty shocking.

                        [–]d3fect 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        He was beyond shocking. It was a worse performance than when he got the red card against City. He was literally at fault or involved with all four goals. Unacceptable, especially while having the captains armband.

                        [–]Benphyre-69 points 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        His good form only came after that stupid red card against City. I hope this game boost him up.

                        [–]OhHayJohn 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        He was so poor, fuck me.

                        [–]scholeszzMkhitaryan 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        He was bad for the first goal, but he's not the only one to blame for Hazard and Kante's goal. Zero cover from the midfield.

                        [–]MrTroyBoltonToney M 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        He shouldn't be turned inside out by Kante.

                        [–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Kante of all people! Who looks at Kante and thinks "this is some master dribbler"?

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                          [–]_Mayama_#2sweet 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          He got turned by Kante of all people then just gave up chasing him, it was pathetic.

                          [–]tetayk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          He should anticipate the pass to Hazard goal. It was his area of cover.

                          Fucking play the first ball, tackle him!

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                              [–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 58ポイント59ポイント  (23子コメント)

                              Blame Jose all you want, he’s not without fault, but how many players showed up today? I could take losing by such a big margin if the players showed some semblance of a fight but there wasn’t anything except from a precious few.

                              [–]DrilygRooney 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

                              Watching this game with my mate, a chelsea fan, we both agreed that the only actually impressive player from utd was Valencia. That tells quite the story

                              [–]OhHayJohn 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Herrera was alright too

                              [–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              The players didn't turn up, as soon as we conceded within 30 seconds I knew they were on some bullshit

                              [–]TheRedDevil10 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              For me it was Bailly, and when he was injured, it pretty much summed up our day...

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                                [–]benderrodScholes 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                It's the managers job to make the players "show up".

                                9 of the players who whipped us today did nothing for Mou last season.

                                [–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                I can shout to a brick wall all day but that wouldn't make the wall hear me. This is their fucking job for God's sake! They're getting millions to perform, it's a BIG game! Why does it take the manager of all people to fire them up? They should be raring to go!

                                [–]play365123Pogback! 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                The way Jose set up the team was not really helpful for the players too. He got it all wrong today. Starting Fellaini, Rashford on the right again (which didnt work at all vs Liverpool). It was a combination of Jose using the wrong gameplan and horrible defending that cost us this game

                                [–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                I understood Fellaini, he was meant to provide physicality to counter Matic. Difference is, Matic is thrice the player Fellaini is. I didn't understand why Rashford was on the right instead of Lingard. It would've been much better if it was the other way around. Jose made some serious mistakes, I'll admit that

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                                  [–]Count__Duckula 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Smiling and hugging opposition players as soon as the final whistle goes. Shows the mentality of a lot of our players.

                                  [–]d3fect 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  It was the setup - we were bad from the get go. I know there are players that didn't show up but there was no change or even a thought to adjust the team until halftime. This is now 2/3 games against the top 6 where Mourinho got it wrong tactically and was outwitted.

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                                    [–]MalteseFalcao 219ポイント220ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                    Two of our signings are not showing their worth and the third one doesn’t even seem to exist.

                                    But I digress, because who cares? As long as we do stupid handshakes, dab at any opportunity, give our players countless PR commitments to make stupid adverts, hire body doubles for a new signing, a few posts about how we will ‘learn’ from defeats, it’s all good in my book.

                                    There’s a fundamental problem with the club, the ethic to win is gone and now its just a cash cow. A bunch of over paid primadonnas who at the age of twenty have more than any of us will ever have, combined, but who cares about a pay structure to give players what they deserve. They look like they can’t be arsed because they aren’t arsed. At the end of the day, they’re getting that fat paycheck at the end of the week and we’re here getting upset over 11 men we don’t know.

                                    [–]merlin318 55ポイント56ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    the ethic to win is gone and now its just a cash cow. A bunch of over paid primadonnas

                                    This. No one seems to feel the hurt, the pain of the fans for whome a ticket is still a huge expense and have to endure this shit week in and week out. Only Herrera seems to care, the rest seem to start thinking about what they wanna do when they get home halfway through the game

                                    [–]tammodi 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    The growing disconnect between footballers and fans was highlighted nicely today with Pedro being booked for celebrating with the fans.

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                                      [–]detinuHerrera 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      Spot on. They don't give a shit yet we're supposed to back them no matter what. I want to see the fans have a proper go at them next game. Enough with the dabs and bullshit and start playing football.

                                      [–]noob_senpai 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I wouldn't mind Fergie turning up tomorrow, kick their asses, give a proper hairdryer, and start implementing some rules together with Mourinho to take this bunch down a notch and to force them to start fuckin' care.

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                                        [–]IrishaneSolskjaer 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Im finding it very difficult to disagree with you here. The mentality has certainly changed. No bite, no want/need to win games at any cost and no passion, ever....except for Herrera and Rashford maybe. Its a sad state of affairs right now

                                        [–]ThadderfulRooney 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Imagine what Keane, Ferdinand, Vidic etc. would have said today.

                                        The winning mentality went out the door with Ferguson, our backroom staff and all of our senior players and it wasnever properly replaced.

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                                          [–]ouguy2017 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          We need to figure out a system ASAP. Playing the 4-2-3-1 doesn't work with the players we have. The players themselves don't even know what to do. It seems like the strategy is to cross as much as possible. The midfield is absolutely shit.

                                          [–]quit_daedalusRooney 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          lol. It's gotten to a point that it does not hurt anymore. I have build a tolerance for this shit.

                                          [–]Minimalsmith20 times I say 58ポイント59ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                          Think I'll come back to this sub next week.

                                          [–]manutd875 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Think I'll follow that advice for r/soccer too

                                          [–]tammodi 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          It's sites like facebook that I'll keep away from. The shit football banter pages are like a plague

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                                            [–]allyallmfersneed___ 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Mou should put a ball at the center of the pitch and make the team watch it for 90'. If they are going to ball watch all game, the least they could do is be well practiced at it.

                                            [–]puppyaddict 60ポイント61ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                            Anyone who've followed Zlatan's career knows he's a player that looks inactive only to suddenly switch up gears when he gets involved.

                                            I see people wondering why the fuck he doesn't look involved and doesn't make that one header chance he got this game (like the one against Liverpool). Instead, ask yourself why the fuck he's put in a position where he's hardly ever involved and where in a game, he gets more or less just one decent scoring chance.

                                            Sad truth is that uniteds midfield does not link up in any meaningful way with either the defense or the offense. All build up is a joke. Zlatan is just as known for his insane assists, but he's never put in a position where anyone takes a run or links up. It's as if everyone expects that as soon as he gets the ball, he's supposed to miraculously finish by himself.

                                            Did you see what happened when Fellaini went out and Mata came in? For 5 min or so, it was the best attacking football that united have had all game. Why? Cause Mata links up in ways Fellaini could only dream of.

                                            [–]ukdanny93 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            He's missed the best chances in the game each of the last few matches.

                                            [–]ohahcantona 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            that's true but that doesnt make his point wrong

                                            ibra has certainly been underperforming but we also havent played to his strengths at all

                                            [–]scholeszzMkhitaryan 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I really think people put too much blame on individuals. I understand it, it's easier. But honestly our midfield and frontline has no clue what they want to do when they have the ball. They don't trust each other (multiple times Rashford/Lingard were asking for the ball for the one-two, instead whoever was on the ball decided to hoof it wide), and they have zero confidence in their own ability beat a man or control the ball in tight spaces.

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                                              [–]ungaayaAnder 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              I'd take an international break right about now.

                                              [–]tammodi 76ポイント77ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                              "Chaos in the locker room. Some players were crying, others were arguing, some looked to the ground. Mourinho then entered the locker room. He knew what had happened was awful for the team.

                                              "We looked at him and he said, 'I know this hurts you. Perhaps for most of you it is the worst loss of your entire career. They are happy now and seem to have won the championship, but have only won one game. This is just the beginning. There is still a long way to get the title.

                                              "'Tomorrow I will give you the day off, but do not stay in your houses. Go with your families, children or friends for a walk around the city. Let people see that you can overcome this. Perhaps people talk about the significance of this defeat, but do not hide behind it. You must show your manhood. After this defeat, we must fight for the title.'"

                                              Dudek on Mourinho after Real Madrid lost 5-0 to Barcelona

                                              [–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 45ポイント46ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              That's cool, except the players don't seem like they would care about such a result if their performance is anything to go by

                                              [–]wtcchhh 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              Eh, Chelsea are nowhere near the level of Barcelona. Chelsea were ripped to shreds by Arsenal and Liverpool recently.

                                              [–]LeSauxSolidCrew 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              To be fair Chelsea have had a change in tactics due to those games, I feel like they'd be a lot more competitive now. But yeah, Barcelona we ain't. (though United are no Madrid!)

                                              [–]3entendreRooney 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              That league was a 2 horse race at the time.. Compare that with the 5 clubs separated by a point at the top right now!

                                              [–]jonobateForlán 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Thank you for this.

                                              [–]AppRocks7Ronaldo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              As someone who is reading for the first time, this is damn inspirational.

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                                                [–]lawanhawizy 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                It's clear that the only thing our players rehearse are those fucking long winded unbearable handshakes.

                                                [–]OTownTrillaFoRilla 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                I wonder what Jose said to Conte.

                                                [–]xkufixSchneiderlin 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Wow, this is just sad. Totally outclassed.

                                                At least when we lost 6-1 to City it was because we tried to attack too much, not just rolling over and die.

                                                [–]Lord_Cocktax 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Not saying he's solely responsible, and all credit to Chelsea, but Smalling needs to have a long look in the mirror tonight. At fault for all four of Chelsea's goals.

                                                [–]Pedantic_PatFan Favourite David De Gea 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Need to use our squad better: D1 L2 after Europa games so far.

                                                Rashford is a worse player for starting, far less direct.

                                                Fellaini doesn't have the game to play against big teams that are fast on the ball

                                                Ditto Herrera at DM

                                                Brutal from Smalling and Blind today.

                                                If Ibra levels it at 1 down, would the game have ended differently? What about the Luiz non-red card? Look forward to these issues given a token few seconds in the analysis.

                                                Defensive attitude appalling.

                                                Overall, let's try to clinch top 4 and clear out the average players this summer.

                                                [–]Rendall1989Rendall 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                Let the meltdown commence

                                                [–]combatwombat02Scholes 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I still remember the days everyone was "WTF Valencia? He's the best we can do in the transfer market!?"

                                                Happy days...

                                                [–]valkon_grLvG contract extension 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                We are the only team playin 4-3-3 with no fucking wingers. Fuck me

                                                [–]duke_of_wellingtontomdarch'sniece2016 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                This is going to be constructive.

                                                [–]WrongSockPair 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Smalling was fucking horrendous

                                                [–]legojs 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                just cross cross cross hoping to get a lucky goal?

                                                [–]hermionieweasleyMemphis 32ポイント33ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                It's been just a couple of months since Van Gaal left and the team has already forgotten every good thing that came out of that era - how to press coherently, how to hold the ball, how defenders should coordinate. With Van Gaal, players looked bad and uncreative while attacking, now they look like a fucking rag tag bunch of mannequins - both while attacking and defending. I hope to God this is just an off day, and not a sign of how things are going to be.

                                                [–]McGrifty 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                Valencia was the only player earning his salary. Fucking fraud of a midfield and center back pairing we've got ourselves

                                                [–]letoucanmemeHerrera 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Staying of r/soccer ☑

                                                Muting football group chat ☑

                                                Suicide ☑

                                                [–]robbo_6Cantona 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Pogba needs to cut out the stupid ball rolls and flicks he does. Stop trying to be clever and just pass the fucking ball!!

                                                [–]staticxtremeHerrera 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                We lost. That's all. We'll improve. Trust Jose. We've always wanted him.No point in panicking

                                                [–]mhaydarStill hoping for Anderson to come good 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                So this is what staying in an abusive relationship feels like.

                                                [–]anders20197Rashford 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                So when is the game starting? I see chelsea are done with their pre match training session...

                                                [–]SantagetoutClauseMourinho 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                What the fuck was that?

                                                [–]0100110101001000Ander 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Didn't get to watch the game due to schoolwork unfortunately

                                                [–]ThadderfulRooney 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                Against 3 centre backs we played 1 striker… Attack wise we have one option - play it into Ibra’s feet. We have no width -which is where we needed to focus against a 352 personally, into the channels between the wingback and centre backs or between the central and outer centre backs. When our attacking width constitutes Valencia/Lingard/Blind/Rashford for the most part of the game, what do you expect. Rashford is the only decent wide attacking player there and he was out of position on the left as a right footer which is immediately less of a threat.

                                                Thats not even to mention the defending.

                                                I imagine our plan was to defend the entire game and park the bus but obviously that went out of the window immediately...

                                                [–]HelloToshValencia 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Kool-aid and cyanide party at my house?

                                                [–]3entendreRooney 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                5 points dropped in a week and just 6 points off the top. Only silver lining. Now sort this shit out Jose, and stick to fucking "specialists"! No strikers at left back ffs!

                                                [–]TimmyBashSchweinsteiger 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Do yourself a favour and don't come here until the next match. Fuck.

                                                [–]alexanderherreraVidic 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                SAFback? Anyone?

                                                [–]Starting_Aquarist 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I wonder what Mourinho was saying to Antonio Conte at the end there.

                                                [–]sujal29 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Only Herrera and Mata looked bothered. Ibra, De Gea, all managing a genuine smile after the game. I can't even.

                                                [–]_Slabs_Le Roi 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                We've got some really fucking thick and lazy players.

                                                [–]pkomRashford 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                I'm just gonna say it, pogba was so bad, he didn't win tackles convincingly. I sincerely hope that's it because he is tired

                                                [–]QuitePossiblyBritishHerrera 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Really think this squad needs a huge overhaul, too many players just don't seem to care enough.

                                                [–]razzymacdave saves 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                How many overhauls can you fuckin do, we literally just bought a new spine 4 months ago. We've bought a match day squad worth of players in the last few years. And about 10 full backs. Three managers. And we're still an inconsistent mess.

                                                [–]n3o7 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                My grandmother had more life in her than Smalling, God rest her soul

                                                [–]wtcchhh 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                City, Arsenal, Liverpool 20
                                                Chelsea, Spurs 19,
                                                ...
                                                United 14
                                                Yep, one of those seasons...

                                                [–]honestliar11 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Mata needs a hug :/

                                                [–]CuBu 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                http://imgur.com/WqWuKiM

                                                [–]flashywinger7 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                Whatever feud mourinho has with Heno, Shaw, and Schneiderlin needs to be settled immediately. We need fresh faces in the team, hungry players.

                                                Rushford needs to be reverted back to a super sub role with martial and heno starting. Zlatan and Pogba should be dropped. One is useless in attack, the other is losing the ball at too high of a rate.

                                                Season is long, but we need Jose to be more ruthless and show the lads that anyone can be dropped.

                                                [–]SonnyisKing 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                The £90m man and Herrera getting absolutely obliterated by Kante.

                                                Fellaini the most dogshit and useless player ever. How the fuck has this tree lasted 4 years at Manchester United? Sick of idiots defending him because he is some "underdog" Fuck off.

                                                Also 200k a week Ibrahimovic is missing easy sitters every week now!!

                                                Positives. We are still only 6 points from 1st place thanks to our rivals dropping points, so hopefully this is a wake up call for everyone.

                                                [–]FURyannnnScholes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Wish we had more players like Valencia and Herrera who give a shit. The energy to fight doesn't really seem to be there, those two (plus Rooney of course) aside.

                                                On another note, Pogba was atrocious IMO and Smalling was goddamn awful. I think we need to change the midfield up since that's where the majority of our problems stem from. Pogba (or the Pogba-Fellaini pairing) has been a huge problem there and now that Rooney isn't playing it's easy to see.

                                                [–]vabstractart 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Gif of United fans around the 89min?

                                                [–]omegaxLoLAnder Herrera 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                The worst part is that this is type of result that will make Mourinho play defensive football against the likes of Burnley and Middlesbrough.

                                                [–]RavenunitedMemphis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Safe to say whatever confidence we got from the last match is gone now and worse, it seems we're simply a flattrack bully this season.

                                                I read in the match threads and some other people keep saying thing like we need to buy quality here and there, no we seriously don't. We already have one of the most if not the most expensive squad in the league, look at Leiceister last season or Liverpool this season who can do far more with far less. Sure, maybe a few couple more player if we want to challenge the like of Barca or aiming for a trebe, but our current squad is far more than sufficient to be competitive.

                                                We don't need are more good players, we have them, they just have to show up. Throwing money at it won't solve anything because it's not the problem.

                                                [–]Yeahthatsnotright5Herrera 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                No point in being sad or mad, I am just going to laugh it off. Hahaha, it's still very early guys, don't worry!! It's all up hill from here. And if we don't make it, there's always next season!!!

                                                Fuck me. Same bullshit for the past 3 years.

                                                [–]jorgelucas7 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                This is the one time I won't feel bad by the abuse instagram/twitter/facebook fans will give to our players. I won't do it myself, but I won't feel bad.

                                                [–]Robin_van_BatmanRooney 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                Watching Chelsea players take the ball from our feet was like watching grown men snatch toffees from toddlers. Zlatan has been disappointing past few games.

                                                Unacceptable and embarrassing.

                                                [–]martialreignBlind 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Absolute joke

                                                [–]SantagetoutClauseMourinho 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I don't even know what to say. Did Jose even have a plan?

                                                [–]prestog 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Cannot wait for this week to be over. Liverpool, Chelsea and city within 7 days is absolutely insane, for any club.

                                                [–]summerincassiopeia 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                I can take losing 4-0 if our opponents were brilliant, but Chelsea were average and still played through us.

                                                [–]disad1ers 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                I disagree. Chelsea were brilliant today, both tactically and in execution. They counter attack with unbelievable pace and they dissected the defence (although that doesn't seem too hard)

                                                [–]OhHayJohn 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                They were good going forward, but they were weak at the back.

                                                [–]summerincassiopeia 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Nowhere near a tactical masterclass in my opinion. All of those goals should have been dealt with. The only time they started overwhelming us is when we went gung-ho.

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                                                  [–]craptionbotMarouane "Imma fuck you up" Fellaini 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Fergie save us.

                                                  [–]HighOnNicotine 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Let's all head to /r/suicidewatch.

                                                  [–]videoleaderThe Master of The Game 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  So what happened to the game after all?

                                                  I heard it got postponed

                                                  [–]KingCantona777 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  Couldn't of had D Day without Dieppe. Chin up lads

                                                  [–]forgetthecrowd 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  tough loss. let's move on. luiz should have been off.

                                                  [–]EnragedScrotum 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  The away fans don't deserve this.

                                                  [–]OllieW210Herrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  wtf did I just watch

                                                  [–]Found_new_username 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  How can I blame Rooney for this one?

                                                  [–]boijekPogbaCK 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  If there are any "legends" out there looking to retire, do sign them up so that we can field a group of old wanks.

                                                  [–]PoliceMachineShades of Dunc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  That was a rough one. Hamilton better win later.

                                                  [–]theadamsegalDevil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Chris Smalling played in place of Mike Smalling.

                                                  [–]_ninjaslayer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  I know its a petty thing to be pissed about today. But seeing Ibrahimovic smirking right after the game annoyed the fuck out of me.

                                                  [–]TheChieffMartial 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  This must be what it's like to watch me attempt to play Fifa

                                                  Don't understand defending, and can't create anything going forward

                                                  [–]tresequisMartial 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  I heard Jose say something like "uno a cero no cuatro a cero" in spanish/italian? 1-0 not 4-0. What does he mean?

                                                  [–]brightonpete 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  It translates as, 'I'm a bad loser'

                                                  [–]eightpackflabsDe Gea 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Huge result for this team. Will be a turning point for us this season. Either the whole team will galvanise around this and bounce back (like the 5-0 vs Barca that Real Madrid experienced) or the team can completely fall apart. Will be interesting to see what will happen now.

                                                  [–]wetslipper 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  You guys wanted mourinho so I don't want to hear your fucking criticism. This is what you asked for so you need to take it

                                                  [–]Marcosbryant10 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Well if you didn't know already, we are not title contenders

                                                  [–]PigeonNipples 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  That was embarrassing. Pogba needs to pull the finger out, Fellaini and Rojo need to go, Smalling and Blind needs brain scans and I need Vodka.

                                                  [–]GeezesaDarmian 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Yes Pogba coming back to United was a dream that all United supporters wanted, including me, but it's really not working out is it. It's like trying to put two of the same sides of the magnet together.

                                                  [–]cydus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Play carrick, drop pogba and ibra. Never play fellaini.

                                                  [–]breadfan18Shaw 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Really feels like no matter who we hire as the manager, we are doomed...it's the weight of the history of this club and what Sir Alex has left behind...it's a whole different beast than taking on any other club!

                                                  [–]Hulkkicker30 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Question is Miki injured? Also I would like to see Schneiderlin come in and play behind Pogba and Herrera rather than Fellaini, plus maybe have Zlatan sit a game and let Martial have a go up top or Rashford.

                                                  [–]SlappyBaggMichael "The Knife" Carrick 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Need to drop Rooney. We'll be so much better without him.

                                                  [–]alustgarten93Martial 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Ibra, Pogba, Rooney, Martial, Rashford, etc etc, and our most important player is still Michael Carrick...

                                                  [–]ischampthereMata 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Smalling, Pogba, Ibra, Rashford, and a few others need to be dropped until they show they deserve to be starting.

                                                  [–]Skyraptor7Herrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Need a big hug anyone??

                                                  [–]Box_Man23Shaw 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  I don't want to take away from Chelsea's performance (which was very good) but all four of their goals were terrible mental errors from our players. Smalling was terrible for the first (De Gea and Blind were poor too), second (a number of players should really do better with the first goal) and fourth goals (Pogba was also poor just letting Kante run past him) and Mata just lets Hazard run off him for the third.

                                                  The more annoying thing for me was the fact that we offered little to nothing against a Chelsea defence which is prone to mistakes and who we had a distinct height and physicality advantage over.

                                                  There really is nothing positive to take out of this match, not a single player showed up and Mourinho's tactics left a lot to be desired, total shit.

                                                  [–]phenx_bp 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Fellaini. His hair wack. His speed wack. His control wack. His passes wack. Carrick is TIGHT AS F***!

                                                  [–]d4zzanJose Mourinho 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  I miss the philosofeee.

                                                  [–]_________________-- 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  5 teams in the title race, and we're not one of them.

                                                  [–]atomicant89 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  I've been saying for months that we're in a scrap to finish top 4, not a title challenge. I think this result confirms that beyond doubt.

                                                  [–]53x12 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  ba da boo baba I'm lovin' it

                                                  [–]popcornelephantMartial 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  I hope they all get locked in a room with Rui Faria for half an hour and he scares the shit out of them

                                                  [–]mrteddy236 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  United have no hunger. That's the biggest problem and it can't be fixed by bringing in high profile transfers. It starts with youth and a manager that rewards youth. Honestly even top 4 seems like a stretch now because this team is not better than Liverpool, City, Spurs, Arsenal, and now I guess even Chelsea.

                                                  [–]Kanye_Yeezus_WestHerrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  This was such a shit performance. I feel like Mou made a mistake by playing blind. He just couldn't keep up with pedro and got outpaced by most of Chelsea's players. It also seemed like chelsea were deliberately attacking our left side on the breaks, which just made it worse. Should have started shaw instead.

                                                  And where the fuck is Mkhi? Might as well pull a Swansea and shake up the first team. Its evident that what were doing right now isn't working, and that we need to mix things up before we get figured out and are screwed by a team like Sunderland

                                                  [–]detinuHerrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Also what did Mourinho say to Conte at the end? He was properly pissed about something.

                                                  [–]suhailraSmaldini 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  why why why is rashford playing as a wide midfielder? he is so much better up front

                                                  [–]OmomooDe Gea 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Another bad game & now it seems like it's the back four's turn to take the brunt judging by the comments. Sure it was a couple of defensive lapses for the first two goals, but after that it was just brilliance from Hazard & Kante. Hard to see how they can be stopped on their day.

                                                  And when will people realise that sometimes it is not about the quality of our players, but the system & the mentality they are playing with? Mourinho obviously came looking to squeeze Chelsea as he did with Liverpool, but the first goal came rapidly & sent us backpedaling. Mourinho came with the wrong plan, & got punished for it.

                                                  That being said, recommendations.

                                                  1. Mata must start whenever possible. Not because of the superstitious belief that starting him wins us games. But because his presence around the pitch helps to move the ball more quickly. In a sense, he's doing what Pogba should be doing - get the ball, distribute to players, reposition himself to redistribute again if needed.

                                                  2. Ibrahimovic cannot start upfront alone in a 4-2-3-1 against stronger opposition. He started off the season great but results have shown he's not suited for big games in a lone striker role. Easy to mark out as we've seen today because he doesn't have the pace a la Rashford to beat his markers. Only a couple of Valencia's crosses made their way successfully to Ibrahimovic as well, playing testimony to this. Mourinho must consider a 4-4-2 with Ibrahimovic partnering Martial or Rashford, or just play Rashford upfront. The lad has it in him to lead the strikeforce.

                                                  3. Pogba does not suit the role of a #10 in our current system. Gets marked down very tightly & as good as he is on the ball, it's too much to ask for him to dribble his way out all the time. Pogba isn't Messi, period. Play him further back alongside Herrera or Carrick who can help him cope with pressure, & let Mata do the #10 job instead.

                                                  4. Preserve faith in the back four. The six defenders we have on-hand - Shaw, Blind, Smalling, Bailly, Valencia & Darmian (Rojo does not deserve a mention, period), are good enough. Don't go all guns blazing in your criticism on them because we've lost 4-0 today. It's hypocritical too because one day fans will go praising them as revolutionary when we win, & then break their confidence on another with overbearing criticism when we lose like today.

                                                  5. Mourinho needs to quit the defeatist mentality. The players are good enough. Stop questioning it. Stop asking the players to play for a draw. Stop restricting their creativity in fear of conceding. That should stay as a memory of LVG's era.

                                                  We've lost today, but there are 29 more games to go, 87 more potential points to claim this season. True red devils never quit on their team.

                                                  [–]kstoilov 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  I fail to understand why we don't use Carrick or we completely ignored Bastian this season. We have zero control in midfield against quality opposition. Defense is exposed time and time again.

                                                  They might be old and slow, but Herrera and Pogba should provide enough energy to balance it out.

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