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[–]-ace--of--spades- 54ポイント55ポイント  (2子コメント)

and so the meme comes full circle

[–]shadowbyfear 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

I need to find the man that shot me.

[–]jFailed 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah. You see him shoot you in the beginning cut scene. It's not exactly a question.

[–]youreabigbiasedbaby 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but you still don't who he is, just what his face looks like.

[–]TadEatsPeople 183ポイント184ポイント  (69子コメント)

New Vegas was fucking great. Love that game. Bethesda should just let Obsidian handle things from now on.

That being said, fuck 9gag.

[–]McSeptim 34ポイント35ポイント  (35子コメント)

I disagree, I'd rather they collaborate. Bethesda for the visual world building and gameplay, and then let Obsidian handle the RPG elements and story.

[–]ThracianTendency 32ポイント33ポイント  (5子コメント)

New Vegas had a lot more and better world building than "place skeleton in funny pose" that Bethesda relies on.

[–]Kettlebot 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Disagree. Obsidian's world was linear where it shouldn't have been, and barren where it shouldn't have been. One of my favorite things about Fallout 3 was exploration and trying to do that in New Vegas just resulted in a ton of frustration. Places you'd find were either locked behind a quest, or pointless. I remember walking up to a marked location on the map thinking I might find something, and it was literally just a shack in the desert with nothing there at all. Either it was tied to a quest or it was totally pointless. Stuff like that bothered the absolutely hell out of me.

Criticize the skeletons all you'd like but they added character and depth to the world where Obsidian's world was flat and boring because there was no real attention to detail.

[–]yukichigai 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Disagree. Obsidian's world was linear where it shouldn't have been, and barren where it shouldn't have been

There was a lot of funneling in the first half of the game. That and the lack of random places to explore are the only real gripes I have with FNV. Admittedly the lack of places to explore makes sense from a realism standpoint, because unlike the area around DC/etc. you often just can't dig down past a few feet because there's significant bedrock, and also who the hell is going to make a huge underground tunnel in the desert (other than a mine) when nobody lives there compared to how many people live in Boston/DC/etc.

Plot was top notch though, and when there was random stuff to explore it was pretty well thought out for the most part. Maybe get some Bethesda people in to do some exploration "polish" next time?

[–]HonorUndRespect 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Flat and boring"? That cactus fruit won't pick itself!

[–]jagun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You gotta give them a break though, Bethesda only gave them one year to make the entire game.

[–]TadEatsPeople 9ポイント10ポイント  (22子コメント)

After Skyrim and Fallout 4, I'd rather Bethesda just kept out of the games and let someone else do it. RPG and story and the parts I care most about when I play an RPG.

[–]McSeptim 14ポイント15ポイント  (16子コメント)

I mean...that's never going to happen. Not after the success of Fallout 4 and Skyrim. The best we can hope for is what I suggested.

[–]TadEatsPeople -2ポイント-1ポイント  (15子コメント)

Yeah, it's such a shame. I love the TES and Fallout IPs, I just don't like that Bethesda owns them.

[–]McSeptim 23ポイント24ポイント  (14子コメント)

I see your point with Fallout...but Elder Scrolls wouldn't even exist without Bethesda. (Not sure why you are getting downvoted either...reddit eh?)

[–]wowsux133 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fallout probably would have faded away into obscurity if it wasn't for Bethesda as well.

[–]Guy-Mafieri -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I doubt that. The older games have a pretty sizable cult following.

[–]internet-arbiter -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It seems to be dwarfed by the new age Fallout kids that dont know a good story if it bit em on the ass.

At least Wasteland series is back and coming out with another title.

[–]IronTarkus91 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeh but obsidian seem to fuck up combat etc. Almost as bad as Bethesda fuck everything else up. I mean is it so much to ask for both of those sides of things to be decent? It's not like these are things that are groundbreaking, so why do we always ether have one or the other?

[–]TadEatsPeople 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Bethesda hadn't done combat particularly well, either. Not until Fallout 4, anyway.

[–]ThracianTendency 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

They had ID help with the combat actually. So they still can't into anything.

[–]0ark0 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

really? thats quite interesting actually. Makes a lot of sense haha.

[–]marcylia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

except for the idiot that thought putting the grenade button and melee button on the same hotkey was a good idea.

[–]f0urtyfive 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see while assigning roles you've already taken into account their distaste for QA.

[–]Skraff 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or Bethesda for the visual elements and 9gag for the story.

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[–]CyberPunk88 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

For Fallout 3 I would agree but after seeing the world and visuals of 4, i'm not so sure anymore about their world building. Could just be their outdated engine though..

[–]shamus727 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This would be absolutely IDEAL.

[–]Ozzytudor -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

world building? HAHAH LOOK GUYS FUNNY TEDDYBEARS HAHAHAHAHAH

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[–]primehacman 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

except obsidian made F:NV almost entirely out of assets from FO3. That's why the quests were so great in F:NV, they just had more time to work on those rather than "making" the game.

[–]TadEatsPeople 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

OK. Let them use the assets from somewhere else and do their thing.

I'm sure they could make their own, too. The game doesn't have to be rushed to market.

[–]primehacman 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

But then Bethesda would have to split the profits, why would they do that?

It's like when people give bethesda shit for not paying obsidian their bonus when they signed a contract that obsidian just didn't meet. It's a legally binding contract, they can't just say "Oh shoot, well here's your money anyway".

Bethesda is still a company, and it wants money. That doesn't make those who work there bad people, but when they start intentionally screwing customers over but cutting game content for DLC like EA, that is when they start being greedy bastards.

I would also imaine that there is a sense of pride to it to. Imagine if you made something really cool, and people thought it was great, but then someone comes along, rearranges it, and people think it's even better than what you did. I doubt you'd be too happy about it.

[–]AureolinDart 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You make some good points, however Bethesda refused to learn from Obsidian. They decided to continue along the same path that FO3 took. If they decided to look at why people liked F:NV so much and incorporate that into their game then Fallout 4 would probably have been much better received. Instead they wrote a bland story, with uninspiring side quests, and simplified characters and dialogue. I can understand wanting to make the game "their way", but I think it is silly to sympathize with them for choosing to ignore their player base. They don't have to license the title to Obsidian in order to live up to the quality of F:NV if they just make a high quality game themselves.

[–]Nailbomb85 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You mean like what Bethesda did with FO3?

[–]myhandisbleeding 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, because Fallout 3 took the Fallout ip and created something completely different out of it. Because of that, Fallout 3 was great at the time. Then Fallout New Vegas comes in, which is a rearranged Fallout 3, and its much better then anything else. It must have not felt too great for the Bethesda team when that happened.

[–]cwgoskins 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Fuck that. Obsidian took over a year to fix game breaking bugs.... Never again.

[–]dsmx 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are aware they spent less than a year making new vegas right? the fact that it even works sometimes is a borderline miracle.

[–]TadEatsPeople 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

As opposed to Bethesda?

[–]nightwing06 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Srsly i still cant play skyrim on my new Pc because the gravity gets fucking crazy and every thing starts jumping around. I cant even finish the tutorial sequence ffs

[–]I_expect_nothing 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Try locking your framerate to below or at 60 fps, that should fix the physics problem.

[–]TadEatsPeople 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really? That's pretty strange but I vaguely remember having that issue. Things just going batshit while I was on that cart at the beginning.

[–]firefiend 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bethesda's engine is weird.Try locking fps to 60.

[–]BambiesMom -2ポイント-1ポイント  (12子コメント)

It's too bad that there's bad blood between Obsidian and Bethesda. If there's some parallel universe where those two studios got along and Obsidian got to give the NV treatment to Skyrim and FO4 I would happily go live in it. Unless Trump wins in that universe. But even then, maybe.

[–]TadEatsPeople 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

I didn't realise there was bad blood between them. Is is because Obsidian is significantly better at making RPGs than them?

[–]defiantgrit 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

No, it has to do with how they screwed Obsidian out of a ton of money for New Vegas. I'm too lazy to google right now but from what I remember of the situation is, Bethesda said they would pay Obsidian a significant bonus on NV if it received a certain Metacritic score. I can't remember what the circumstances were exactly but they didn't get that Metacritic score even though the game ended up selling extremely well and making a bunch of money, because of that Metacritic score agreement Obsidian didn't make as much money as they should have on the game.

[–]TadEatsPeople 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh right, I didn't know that. Damn Metacritic. That's pretty shitty. Having gone back and played Fallout 3 again fairly recently, it just has nothing on New Vegas for me. That game is damn near perfect.

If NV had Fallout 4's weapon crafting and combat feel to it, it'd probably be my favourite game of all time.

[–]defiantgrit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

NV was just a masterpiece. I remember buying it on Steam sale a while ago and just never getting around to playing it. Finally I bought an Xbox controller for my PC and realized that NV was one of the few games that supported it that I had in my library so I started playing it. Instantly hooked. I think I played 170 hours of that game exploring the entire wasteland. Simultaneously, they built on and expanded the lore of the NCR very well.

They literally missed the royalties bonus by one point on Metacritic. It was a pretty dumb contract to sign but I've heard it was the only offer they were given by Bethesda.

[–]Segol 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sounds like they just signed a bad contract. Bethesda were dicks to suggest that contract, but Obsidian didn't have to sign it.

[–]defiantgrit 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

They didn't have to sign it but I think it was the only way they were going to get royalties at the end of the day. And they missed it by one point.

[–]2dumb2knowbetter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can always renegotiate a contract before you sign it

[–]ChickenSkinCoat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously that's a shit condition that any sane company should not agree to.

[–]Guy-Mafieri 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

it has to do with how they screwed Obsidian out of a ton of money for New Vegas.

Obsidian would get a bonus if they got an 85 on Metacritic. They ended up with an 84.

Shitty for them? Sure. But they didn't get "screwed over"; that would be the case if they got the 85 and Bethesda still refused to pay out. Of course I would have liked to see them get that money, but it was all agreed upon beforehand.

[–]RoboMullet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm really confused on why people think that Obsidian and Bethesda hate each other, even after the NV contract fiasco. Maybe I'm just really out of the loop, but I've never seen any representatives of either company shit talk the other.

[–]ImNotAnyoneSpecial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stop bringing politics into everything

[–]Dodis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for existing

[–]Keinichn -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

All I'm gonna say is that I put hundreds of hours in FO3, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, and FO4 each. My time for NV is 15 hours according to Steam. I did not get much enjoyment at all from NV. I think it was the desert.

[–]TadEatsPeople 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

After I spent so much time in the Capital Wasteland, it did take me a while to adjust to the Mojave. It did eventually kinda just click and I fell in love with the game. I loved the variety of decisions and play styles.

It was great being able to really shape just about everything.

[–]Aardvark_Man 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

"I need to find the man who shot me in the head."

[–]Nailbomb85 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

"I need to finish my delivery."

[–]TECHNO_BEATS 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

"I need to return some videotapes."

[–]Wargablarg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"I need to have sex with this robot."

EDIT: Come to think of it you do that in FO:4 as well. Hi Curie.

[–]ironwolf56 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

Maybe I'm terrible but I just don't get the love for New Vegas (as in so much better than the others, love). I found it good, don't get me wrong, but not this amazing transcendent experience some people seem to.

[–]derrickwie 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think it might be that Fallout 3 and 4 take themselves a bit seriously and are more grounded, while New Vegas went above and beyond with its absurd weirdness.

Thats not to say 3 and 4 don't have some weird shit themselves, they definitely do, but New Vegas just took it to a whole nother level. The writing is also just seen as overall better in New Vegas.

Me personally, I really like the setting; Vegas is my favorite place in the world so whenever a game or movie is set in it, I instantly get a bit gushy over it.

The one thing about New Vegas though is that Obsidian make some glitchy ass games, and so combining that with an already glitchy base in the form of Fallout 3 and its engine, the game just had/has so many technical issues with it.

[–]hawksawhunter 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you nailed it. The humor was too "real-world" for me though, and what I want from Fallout is total immersion in their world. I can see why it's popular with a lot of people though.

[–]bu77munch 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had a way easier time playing FO NV on my PC than FO 3

[–]Kettlebot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it might be that Fallout 3 and 4 take themselves a bit seriously and are more grounded, while New Vegas went above and beyond with its absurd weirdness. Thats not to say 3 and 4 don't have some weird shit themselves, they definitely do, but New Vegas just took it to a whole nother level.

What.

I see it as the polar opposite. In Fallout: New Vegas, nearly every quest was borderline serious, especially the main quests.

[–]NugatRevolution 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same here. If you value your Karma, don't mention it near /r/fallout.

[–]bu77munch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I liked it because the choices you could make had more of a sense of ambiguity to them.

[–]GlasgowTalent 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

Just bought the original Fallouts on sale on Steam. Buzzing to start playing them.

[–]Anal_Vacuum 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fallout 2 is one of the greatest RPGs ever made. Would highly recommend.

[–]Radiatron 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

I straight up can't do the first one, but godspeed mate!

[–]GlasgowTalent 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

The isometric view is kinda putting me off and Ive played Fallout 3, New Vegas and 4 as well. But steam sales and impulse buys do not mix so I may as well roll with it haha

[–]Radiatron 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's the time limit that I can't contend with in the first, but it's really good, have a good time! The second, I hear, is a lot better, basically just improved everything in the first.

[–]GlasgowTalent 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I completely forgot about the time limit. Ah well least it'll be different and an experience haha

[–]Glitch198 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Old games with archaic controls are brutal after being spoiled by modern games. I tried playing Planescape Torment the other day and it is aggressively obtuse.

[–]GlasgowTalent 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's funny how if you played the game when it first came out, everything seemed brilliant. Then like 10 years later you realise how bad some things were haha

[–]Dirty_Sneaky 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The first one will be tough because its old, and there is a time limit, but it sets the tone, its dark and scary atmosphere and story are worth a playtrough. I remember hacking the time limit to 999 with cheat-o-matic long time ago so i can explore everything, and i believe there are patches and fixes for it. Fallout 2 has a restoration project mod, you can check it out. I still compare all the sequels to Fallout 2, and none of them gave me the feel and excitement Fallout 2 gave me. Played it over and over for years.

[–]KevinEis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't play new Vegas since the last Windows update......

[–]SkipDog42227 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think I'm missing something here

[–]Duveng1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The classic fallout games are for sale on steam right now.

[–]CrusherTechnologies 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

9Gag stole the meme from reddit.

A redditor stole the meme from 9gag.

[–]Wolfy21_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I finished FO3 Goty but never played NV, I got it on steam but its a censored german version and I don't speak german, every time it gets mentioned on reddit it makes me want to learn german just to play it.

Sounds like a really great game and exactly what I like, plus atm i need something sp to sink time in . I might just pirate it as I already own it technically but its just "unplayable".

[–]billypancakes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except you know it was Benny, so NV is more like: where is the mother fucker who shot me in the head?

[–]ChunkyRingWorm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fallout was incredible, Fallout 2 has such an atrocious beginning I never got past it, Fallout 3 was groundbreaking at the time, Fallout NV was the first game I stayed up till 3am when it unlocked to play, Fallout 4 I have no intentions of ever playing again.

Massive drop off in this series.