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DiscussionI hate to have to mention this, but it's getting ridiculous (self.battlefield_one)

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I'm sure I'm gonna get brigaded for pointing this out, but it's been really bugging me. I'm fine with Dice's wish to show off the diversity of the Great War, but they've taken it to a point of "blackwashing" history.

In the menus, the Allies are ALWAYS represented by a black soldier, all snipers regardless of faction are black, and the cover art of the game is a black American soldier. 0.5% of the deaths that occurred during WW1 were black soldiers. If they wanted to display diveristy, they had plenty of real opportunities: Indian soldiers fighting for the British, Black American soldiers like the Harlem Hellfighters (which I'm glad they depicted in the game, I'm fine with the American sniper being black), the Japanese, the Turks, South Americans they're all there. Give them story missions, give us maps that take place in other locations around the world than Europe (I know there's a north Africa map), all of that would be fine.

Instead, not only do they leave France and Russia completely out of the game, but they represent all of the Allies with black soldiers in the menus, and make a quarter of each faction black, fighting across Europe. It would be like if a quarter of the people in Mafia 3's black mafia was white, or if they made a movie about American slavery and a quarter of the slaves were white and the guy on the movie poster was a white dude. Is this because Dice is Swedish? Because this is such a bizarre direction for the series.

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[–]Rock_n_Roll_OutlawVolatileBeef_91 48ポイント49ポイント  (3子コメント)

all snipers regardless of faction are black

I'm just going to have to point out that there are no black soldiers in the Ottoman, Italian or Austro-Hungarian factions.

[–]Ayn_Diarrhea_Rand 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Shh.. they might knock their chicken tendies all over the floor.

[–]Colley619 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's because it seems that one of their favorite "themes" in the menus/artwork is the Harlem Hellfighters, which is a regiment made up of African American soldiers. It is also the group from the intro to the campaign. As for the black snipers, this isn't a new thing to make the classes a certain color every time.

[–]SSAUS 32ポイント33ポイント  (3子コメント)

They fucked Gallipoli as well. ANZACs weren't involved in the landing at Cape Helles. It was primarily a British and French operation. The ANZACs invaded north of the position. If they wanted to focus on the ANZACs, they should have set the campaign at ANZAC Cove. Similarly, if they wanted to focus on the British, they should have made them the core figures of the existing 'Runner' campaign, instead of two Australians who shouldn't have been there.

It's not like Dice neglected to do their research, as they got a lot of details (intricate and otherwise) correct. These perversions of history were conscious decisions.

I'm talking about this as an Australian. Yeah, i'm glad we made it into the game, but if they want to do it, they should do it right. Gallipoli was a defining moment for many countries.

[–]turkeytitstyrus 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

I came here to say exactly this! They made a mistake not setting it on ANZAC cove. It was a dramatic battle, and could have been kin to the D-Day level in Medal of Honour.

[–]RenY_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The whole Runner war story was a dissapointment imo. It was over in about 20 minutes. The actual story itself and the characters were decent, it's just so cripplingly short.

[–]NormanQuacks345NormanQuacks345 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Still hit me in the feels pretty hard at the end.

[–]Prizm0000 60ポイント61ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes. It's totally stupid, I agree. PC gone rampant.

It's almost like making the King and Queen of England black to add "diversity" - It doesn't make sense.

[–]8thWonderUK8thWonder 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dice are scared black lives matter will protest in their office.

[–]OGCASHforGOLD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They did the same thing for Mafia 3.... ruined by PC

[–]MANPAD -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's kowtowing towards the SJW movement that's been rampant in the gaming space for years. This shouldn't surprise anyone anymore.

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    [–]fucking_shadowban 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I think with dice being in Swedish they're super pc

    [–]jopperr44 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Haha holy shit

    Even battlefield_one is filled with the alt right :D

    [–]FrenchieMcFly -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    insulting white history is not really PC

    [–]MedikPac -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Because PC culture isn't tolerant of everyone. It's anti-white in many regards.

    You can downvote all you want. But it doesn't change the fact that this PC bullshit is racist in its own way.

    [–]BlindSpider11 37ポイント38ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I'll admit, the abundance of black soldiers is rather jarring. I have no problem with the Harlem Hellfighters, but having a quarter of each of the six factions black? What the fuck DICE?

    [–]CapnBlondeBeard 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Austria-Hungary, Italy, and Turkey do not have black soldiers..

    Really the only other countries that shouldn't have black soldiers is Germany an America - since the white US soldiers didn't want to serve alongside blacks at the time.

    [–]TheMaskedMan2 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Is there the possibility that along with customizing loadouts in the main menu, we also have soldier customization we can't access yet? In that case the black snipers might just be the default setting.

    [–]rebinsc 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree. The political "correctness" of this game is mind blowing and needs to be fixed. But that aside, I still enjoy it.

    [–]mechanicalbirds12 55ポイント56ポイント  (26子コメント)

    I'm actually more upset by the portrayal of the Brits in the Turkish front of operations. The opening monologue makes them sound like bigoted monsters, when those battles were fought over resources the British needed. I don't think too many soldiers were in it to kill 'savages', but that's the impression the whole thing left me with.

    The Turks weren't upstanding citizens defending their home from the evil oppressive British empire. Keep in mind, this was around the time of the Armenian genocide, but of course they're not gonna portray that part of history. Instead it's fuck white people. All day, e'ry day.

    [–]DubTheeBustocles 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's supposed to be a monologue from THEIR perspective. Obviously they thought the British were thieves but there are two sides to every story.

    [–]reDasDingit 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Have you played the single player? This game couldn't be farther from painting the Ottomans as the good guys and the British as the bad guys.

    And a British officer from 1918 calling the enemy savages to fire up his troops is certainly not "fuck white people". You should take a look at some of the WW1 propaganda from both sides, "savages" is tame.

    [–]Huckleberry_Finnegan 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Yep. All maps featuring Turkey take place in countries other than Turkey. Definitely not imperialists...

    [–]ImperatorBevoConsul-Bevo 28ポイント29ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Those "other countries" aren't other countries, it's all within the Ottoman Empire. The multiplayer map locations featuring the Ottomans had been a part of the Ottoman state for longer than the age of the United States, by hundreds of years.

    Yeah, it's easier to just wave your hand and say the Ottomans were oppressive, but history is much more complicated than that.

    [–]Huckleberry_Finnegan 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    History is much more complicated than that.

    The Ottomans were not in control of Egypt during or before the war, and they'd controlled Iraq since 1830. The United States was founded in 1776.

    If you want to correct someone do a little research first.

    edit: and who cares if they were part of the Ottoman Empire (as Fao Fortress was at the time, not Sinai or Suez). I said they were imperialists. These areas were actually part of the British Empire, so by your logic, the British are defending their homeland.

    [–]IgnoreMyName 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Very large empire.

    However, they had lost much of theirs lands prior to the start of the war.

    [–]HarleyWalker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That has nothing to do with his imperialist comment which is true and you agreed with.

    [–]bassadorable 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Yep, just finished a great book called Fall Of The Ottomans by Eugene Rogan. I'd recommend it it for anyone interested. It's surprisingly hard to find good histories of WWI from the Ottoman perspective, they are usually discussed from the perspective of the other powers.

    [–]Huckleberry_Finnegan 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    If you agree with what this guy said, you should read it again. Either that or it's not as good as you say.

    [–]bassadorable 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Well they definitely were oppressive but the book goes into how they became that way and also their motivations and what they thought they stood to gain by aligning with the Central Powers. Wasn't trying to endorse his comment more just wanted to mention that I read a book.

    [–]Huckleberry_Finnegan 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'm referring to how Egypt wasn't part of their Empire at that time. 2/3 maps with the Ottomans are in Egypt. Not to mention that almost all the local populations in Iraq supported the British when they tried to force out the Ottomans from Iraq.

    [–]bassadorable 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Oh, gotcha, yeah I'm a little puzzled why they wouldn't go with Gallipoli for those maps.

    [–]Huckleberry_Finnegan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    dlc I'm guessing. people will buy it because it's one of the more recognizable names.

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      [–]Dunhilda 96ポイント97ポイント  (34子コメント)

      Take a white character and turn them black = fine, progression

      Take a White person from History and make them black = fine, progression

      Now take someone of another race/colour and make them white = WE GOT A PROBLEM! Racism.

      Welcome to Political Correctness, A joke.

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        [–]Chabriore 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Let's be honest here, ww1 was a white business. There are too many blacks for this to be a coincidence, dice is forcing racial diversity for no reasons but to please themselves. Harlem fighters is historically accurate. French Senegalese Tirailleurs will be accurate ( I'm just guessing here though that they might add them ). But black german scouts is just fucking stupid.

        [–]Glazkov1 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        There were some black soldiers in the German army because Germany had territory in Africa. You can say it is inaccurate at the possible number of black soldiers in a European front but in my opinion it is fine. Complain more about the volume of experimental weapons and completely bullet proof armor than black soldiers.

        [–]Rampantlion513 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'm fine with experimental weapons. It helps mix up the guns so it's not all bolt actions, semi-autos, and machine guns.

        I do think the fucking bulletproof armor is a ridiculous addition to an online multiplayer game.

        [–]Quickzor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        But Germany did have black soldiers in WW1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Germans

        [–]PoorTasteLowQuality 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        "Black-washing"

        [–]Dani_vic 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Really? I guess this is a good issue. When people are complaining about how many black people are in the game than it means the game play is good at least.

        [–]Smuckles 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I was thinking that too! I haven't bought it yet since battlefield games tend to be shaky on launch but if this is the worst thing going on it's quite encouraging from a gameplay perspective!

        [–]laughingboyCaesarTheRoman 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

        My uncle works at DICE, he says in the next battlefield everyone is black.

        [–]TrepanationBy45 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Battlefield: Hoodline

        I shouldn't have

        [–]MedikPac 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

        ALL WE HAD TO DO WAS FOLLOW THE DAMN TRAIN CJ!

        [–]NormanQuacks345NormanQuacks345 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'LL HAVE TWO NUMBER 9'S

        [–]KreativeHawkKreativeHawk13 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        r/ImGoingToHellForThis

        [–]Kevinthegoalie 7ポイント8ポイント  (24子コメント)

        Russia and France are coming in future DLC so they haven't been totally ignored

        [–]ImperatorBevoConsul-Bevo 14ポイント15ポイント  (17子コメント)

        Including France as DLC for WWI is like including Germany, US/UK, or Russia as DLC for WWII.

        [–]banjaxe 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Well having the US as DLC for a WWII game would be ok, in my opinion, as long as US vehicles a la Lend/Lease were in the game on Day 1.

        [–]NormanQuacks345NormanQuacks345 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Um, what? We (The US) were the main Allied Power in the Pacific front. How could you leave us out? DLC for a WWII game would be Italy, IMO.

        [–]banjaxe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Right, so essentially we joined the war in 1942. 3 years into it. Half way. You're right, our contribution wasn't nothing, but compared to the Russians, French, and British, we took our time getting in.

        [–]Leprecon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It would actually make sense if you think about it. The US entering a world war two game a while after the game is released :)

        [–]GandalfTheGrief 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

        As a Brit, I must say I wish we were in more WW2 games.

        It's always Americans.

        [–]CapnBlondeBeard 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Simple!

        The target audience for games these days is the United States as they will pull in the most cash for developers. It makes complete sense from a business standpoint to make games America-centric

        Would be different if the UK was the top dog so to speak

        [–]Rampantlion513 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Oooh imagine if the next BF game is in WW2, and one of the missions is you in a Spitfire defending Britain during The Blitz

        [–]GandalfTheGrief 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'd love that.

        I'd like an El Alamein map and an Omaha beach map too.

        I'm honestly not keen on the far east sort of Japan fronts in games, I don't find it interesting at all.

        I much prefer the dark gritty areas in Russia and France etc. Far better environments and better atmosphere.

        [–]Lord_Lebanon 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Well the old call of duty games (the good ones) had 3 campaigns. Usually consisting of a U.K, an American, and a Soviet one.

        [–]GandalfTheGrief 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yeah, I loved cod 1-3.

        Africa campaign was awesome. And D-day.

        [–]Sharkdude300 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        You should check out Day of Infamy then: http://store.steampowered.com/app/447820/

        [–]GandalfTheGrief 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I have got that actually, very fun game.

        [–]TrepanationBy45 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        So Company of Heroes 1 then.

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          [–]SkellySkeletor 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

          But that's like going to a drive thru, ordering a burger, and getting bread with meat and getting told lettuce,cheese and tomatoes are extra

          [–]CapnBlondeBeard 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

          All I ever get is the meat cheese and bun lol.

          [–]NormanQuacks345NormanQuacks345 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Thought I was the only one who did this that was older than 5.

          [–]WillPowder 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Great analogy mate. 1:1.

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            [–]flemyoFlemyo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            when does this come out? ALLEZ!

            [–]NMSExplorer1 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

            They aren't really doing anything to "history." This isn't an academic monograph on the racial makeup of armies during WW1, it's a video game. The characters commanded by the players are essentially avatars representing a diverse playerbase. They aren't characters in a movie about WW1 that is attempting historical accuracy.

            I find it slightly disturbing that so many players on this sub continue to take issue with this.

            [–]SHITTY_GIMMICK_ANUS 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Personally I think most people that are using the "It's not historically accurate" criticism on this game having black player characters are just using that as an excuse to complain about having black people in the game. But I could be wrong.

            [–]Deewweed 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Little bit of a wide brush there. Personally I don't care either way, I'd just prefer it to be more historically accurate. But really if it doesn't change I don't care, I mean we can revive dead people...

            [–]YoungWolfie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Nah, you're right. Evidently it's an issue for an abundance of black avatars to be in a video game. To all that have a problem with it, just switch teams and get on with your life. Im more worried about finding whose helmet I'm about to make fly off their head rather than the color of their character.

            [–]bodhbh_dearg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ^ This, more than most games, the history in this one is playing a huge part, which is great, and to remind people of those under represented or forgotten in history is great, but this won't be accurate, the style of killing portrayed in the game certainly wouldn't have been everyday.

            But then again, spending 50 quid on a game where you wait in a trench until you go over the top and get killed would be crap. I guess a rotation of all races involved might alleviate this? Personally it hasn't really bothered me that much.

            That being said, I think it's mental the French and Russians (mentioned above) are dlc content, considering the fighting that took place in France at the outbreak of war.

            A good game nonetheless.

            [–]niwashi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Sweden yes!

            [–]Chabriore 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Welcome to this new society, where ranting about historical accuracy = being a racist.

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            [–]RankRancid 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

            They should make a remake of Malcolm X and have Mel Gibson as the lead.

            Equal rights

            And equal lefts for everybody.

            Lolwat

            [–]Kraunator 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            This here would be WW3.

            [–]Teazone 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            BLM would literally riot in several cities if that were to happen.

            [–]CuTEwItHoUtThEe 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

            why can't we customize this aspect of our characters?

            [–]Mr__Deering 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            All this and you only play a single 5 minute campaign mission as a Harlem hellfighter

            [–]Calelith 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

            I'm more concerned with the fact the Indian medic speaks with a solid english accent.

            Pretty much the first major war game to have Indians represented and they speak like a damn londoner....

            [–]pyro-ro 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Don't they spawn with a random British accent each time? I swear I've had a Scottish Indian once.

            [–]Turboclicker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Not saying either way, but that may be simply not hiring a good Indian voice actor. It's a actor for a pretty specific thing in the game

            [–]FabulousGoat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Your German soldier speaks in the clearest High German in the most German voice ever, so if you play the black Scout it becomes really weird to listen to.

            [–]BallerinaMan 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            u/FukkinWhiteMale redditor for 13 hours, only post is decrying the inclusion of black people in an arcadey action video game. Smells like a stormfront is brewing to me.

            [–]LazyEyetalian 15ポイント16ポイント  (39子コメント)

            I believe the cover art person is from the Harlem Hellfighters which is probably why most of the characters are black. Besides, does it matter? Not like you can see yourself in a FPS. EA has black storm troopers in Battlefront too.

            [–]Huckleberry_Finnegan 39ポイント40ポイント  (32子コメント)

            You don't see the difference between this and Star Wars? Some people care about historical accuracy. It's slightly disrespectful to just wash over actual history as OP described.

            [–]DressedSpring1 34ポイント35ポイント  (9子コメント)

            Oh boy, if you cared about historical accuracy you'd be having an aneurysm over the amount of automatic weapons in this game, not complaining about the colour of some of the soldiers. It was a good gameplay decision on dice's part, but it's a far far cry from being representative of the army compositions in WW1. I don't think an AT Rocket even existed in WW1 either

            [–]banjaxe 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I don't think an AT Rocket even existed in WW1 either

            Well, not in the sections of the war that took place before tanks were invented. But they're there in the game regardless.

            [–]Roeratt 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The thing is, you can choose to use whatever weapons you want. Most of the clamor I've been hearing is for character customization.

            [–]JCRocky5 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Technically it doesn't fire rockets, just a nickname. ( as the name would imply it does )

            Was introduced a year before the war ended. ( 1917 ) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1.59-inch_Breech-Loading_Vickers_Q.F._Gun,_Mk_II

            I'm surprised there are no ( Bazooka type weapon ) in the game, as the first one was made by Germany in 1918 called Mauser Tank-Gewehr.

            [–]Huckleberry_Finnegan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yeah, I understand why they included the automatic weapons. It would be cool if gameplay allowed for more accuracy.

            The decision to create a fantasy alternative history version of the armies that fought in the war was a choice, and has no impact on gameplay. The only thing it achieves is avoiding petty criticism from a couple of annoying news sites.

            Would any of you actually care if all the characters in game accurately reflected the way those armies looked in real life? Wouldn't it be better to have some choice?

            [–]ssp0929 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            A lot of people are just using this happenstance as a proxy war against PC culture. The historical inaccuracy factor is just a strawman for them.

            I personally don't care either way. But think it's laughable to get mad about it.

            [–]pazur13PineappleRaccoon 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            One thing is there to make the game more fun and balanced, the other is there for the sake of being politically correct.

            [–]HarleyWalker -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I don't like the overall historical inaccuracy of the game including that.

            [–]PunkPenguin 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

            This game isn't trying to be historically accurate.

            [–]Oliie -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yes it is trying to be historically accurate.

            [–]swipe_06 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

            But if it wants to honour the soldiers of WW1, then it does a pretty bad job.

            [–]Leprecon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The idea that you can honour world war 1 and its victims by making it into a fun to play game is silly.

            If you want historical accuracy you have a game that is 2 months of training, 3 months of living in horrible conditions and hard labour, followed by a <60 second mini game where you get gassed while eating lunch or you get picked off by a sniper/machine gunner while going over the top.

            [–]broblab -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Didnt somebody say some time before the game came to beta that it was kind of an.alternate reality,somewhat fictionalized version of world war one? Like...ww1 but not quite?

            [–]pazur13PineappleRaccoon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Pretty much every game set in our world is a fictionalized version of it, the question is how much.

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              [–]Colley619 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

              If you think anything about this game is historically accurate in the first place then you need to go back to school. Fucking lol. out of all the things that are NOT historically accurate in this game, why is the argument over a characters skin color??

              [–]pazur13PineappleRaccoon 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

              And why not? Out of all the historical inaccuracies, you act like mentioning this one is a damn bad thing.

              [–]Ayn_Diarrhea_Rand 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              It's the "inaccuracy" that you're focusing on that reveals more about yourself than you intend.

              [–]pazur13PineappleRaccoon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It's the inaccuracy that is the topic of this post, so all ot says aboit me is that I agree with OP and that I stay on topic.

              [–]Huckleberry_Finnegan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It's a little bit literal minded of you to think that because I have a problem with one egregious anachronism I demand 100% historical accuracy in the game.

              [–]V1russ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              There is text in the game that says that it is based on historical events. It is not trying to portray the war to 100% accuracy.

              [–]KolbyOnline1 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (8子コメント)

              Its a fucking video game... If you want historical accuracy go read a history book...

              [–]pazur13PineappleRaccoon -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

              The history book is a damn book. If you want a realistic war, enlist to the army. You see the problem? The problem is not that the game is not 100% historically correct, the problem is that they made a pointless choice that greatly varies from how it actual was (and you don't have to be a historian to immediately notice it, as opposed to most other inaccuracies) only for the sake of political correctness.

              [–]KolbyOnline1 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

              WHO CARES.....

              The gameplay is not affected by it so I honestly dont see why something as simple as this matters...people find stupid shit to complain about...

              [–]pazur13PineappleRaccoon 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

              As shown by this thread, plenty of people care. If you don't, that's cool, glad you're happy. However, don't get angry over people disliking something you don't mind. The gameplay wouldn't be affected either if the tanks came with a megaphone that played Darude - Sandstorm after every kill, yet I'm sure people would complain about it as well.

              [–]PoorTasteLowQuality 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Spot on, it is a major issue.

              [–]RUN4Y0URL1F3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Not enough people care, otherwise DICE wouldn't have done this. If this really bothers you, you can always play another game. Vote with your wallet!

              [–]Ayn_Diarrhea_Rand -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Get over yourself.

              [–]pazur13PineappleRaccoon -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Come on now, are we resorting to the "get a life and stop arguing with me" argument?

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                [–]Rampantlion513 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Maybe because there's a black stormtrooper in the newest Star Wars movie....

                [–]OOOMM 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                As somebody who didn't play Battlefront, how can you tell? Don't Storm Troopers have on head to toe armor?

                [–]LazyEyetalian 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                They do but in the game you choose your trooper. There are males and females and they're all different nationalities. You know, for customization purposes 🙄

                [–]Skeptical_Lemur 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Actually, you cant take helmets off now.

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                  [–]YoungWolfie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Return the game or switch teams. DICE can put a spin on their game if they want to, it's their game. Why worry about the color of a character model, at the end of the day, white, black, orange, green, pink, gray, cybernetic, it's gonna get a bullet thru it's skull.

                  Do you really just take the time and go "Oh my hands are black, wait, I'm a black german! OMGOMG this is historically inaccurate"? I'm pretty sure no man in recorded history [please prove me if I'm wrong because this would be awesome] jumped off the top of a zepplin and deployed a parachute several feet before hitting the ground and did not break his legs, not only does that defy the laws of gravity but reality as a whole.

                  Nowhere on the game art of the box (at least on the early enlisters edition) does it say "THE MOST ACCURATE WW1 REPRESENTATION TO DATE!" If it does well, feel free to try to take them to court for false advertising, if it is REALLY that serious to you.

                  It's a game, at the end of the day you play it to have fun.

                  My bad if i went on a rant, I just get tired of seeing shit like this everywhere man, "Luke Cage has very little White people in it!", "This game has too many black people in it". Yes you may speak out against it, that is what the first amendment grants you (if you are american). But, it's a video game. Fuck just enjoy it or return it.

                  [–]sp0ck06 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  am i the only one who does not give a flying fuck? i didnt even notice all the snipers were black.

                  [–]Phesomt 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Yeah bothers me too. At least let us change char. skins. I can understand a british black, hell even an american one although they didn't like blacks in the army back then but a GERMAN? Now that is just pathetic from Dice.

                  [–]buffalo_x 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It was called the segregated Army for a reason. Being black is not something only American and Brits had. Germany had territory in Africa, so they could pull recruits.

                  [–]Cstriker01 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It's a Swedish studio so...yeah, super liberal PC socialist diversity gaming is what they give. Also, it then panders to trigger-warning special little snowflakes in the U.S. and the rest of Europe.

                  [–]Spence52490 4ポイント5ポイント  (31子コメント)

                  As a black guy I've played tons of shooters based in fact and fiction that featured white people I was forced to play as. I never cared because unless you can customize them it doesn't matter. Also never saw any major complaints about this topic until BF1 surprisingly. Really amazes me what silly things bother people.

                  [–]FukkinWhiteMale[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (13子コメント)

                  How would you feel if you were playing a game where you play as a slave escaping to the north, and the game designers decided to make your character white for some reason?

                  [–]Gucci_Gato 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  That would be hilarious

                  [–]swipe_06 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  In that case that game could be about the Irish slave trade.

                  [–]Spence52490 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Wouldn't care because then it be fictional. I understand what your trying to say but it all comes down to the fact that BF1 is a video game and doesn't have to be 100% historically accurate. Just say you don't like seeing a lot of blacks all over the game. Its easier.

                  [–]Trankman 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I guess that would make sense if it was a war about race and they got it incorrectly, but it's pretty fucking irrelevant in the context of the game. So to complain about it is beyond stupid.

                  [–]pazur13PineappleRaccoon 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

                  Just imagine an RPG set in an African tribe where 1/4 of the characters are white and they also throw some Asians into the mix, so we'd get a nice PC racially diverse camp. Oh, the shaman should also be transgender and the chief must be a woman.

                  [–]ThaBlackHokage 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  There are plenty of white people in Africa. It's very possible.

                  [–]pazur13PineappleRaccoon -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  I don't mean present times though, just a random tribe a couple of hunrdeds years ago.

                  [–]ThaBlackHokage 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Whites have been in Africa basically the same amount of time as blacks, South Africa.

                  [–]pazur13PineappleRaccoon -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Yeah, it might not have been the best example, but you get the idea.

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                    [–]captaingoldenbeard 5ポイント6ポイント  (15子コメント)

                    Don't know why this is down voted. You're completely right, it's a game. I don't know why people are so worked up about historical accuracy because again, IT IS A GAME.

                    [–]pazur13PineappleRaccoon 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

                    Yeah, it is a game set in a historical setting and people are complaining about a thing that varies a lot from the setting for no good reason. What's so bad about doing so?

                    [–]george_with_a_j 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    If you want a more historically accurate game, go play Verdun

                    [–]captaingoldenbeard 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    “It’s just an interesting era. We’re not trying to create a documentary about that era. We’re trying to make a game, it’s supposed to be fun first so, of course, we’re going to take some creative liberties where we can.”

                    Discussing it is pointless. They said they did what they wanted. And that it's a game meant for fun.

                    [–]pazur13PineappleRaccoon 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    How does throwing in a legion of black people to a war that primarily consisted of white people make the game more fun? I'm not saying DICE accidentally changed the race of the soldiers, I'm saying it was a bad decision.

                    [–]captaingoldenbeard 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    I'm saying it doesn't matter dude. It doesn't fucking matter lol

                    [–]pazur13PineappleRaccoon -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    And I'm sying that if many people complain about it, it means that it does matter to them. Just because you don't care about a problem doesn't mean it's not a problem.

                    [–]captaingoldenbeard 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    If too many black models in the game is a "problem" to you, then return it. Not in a politically way, but the fact that someone would be bothered by this is insane. I didn't notice because I was too busy having fun and playing the game. If enough people decide they don't like the name battlefield and want it to be called "shooty gun game" that doesn't make it a problem. It makes it dumb.

                    [–]pazur13PineappleRaccoon 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    What's so insane about being bothered by people bending history to appear politically correct? I'm not saying it's a problem that makes me pull my hair out and unable to sleep, I'm not saying the game is bad because of it, I'm simply stating that it's a problem. I'm not talking about the general shape of the game, but about this particular problem it has. Also, I don't really understand what you're trying to convey in the last two sentences.

                    [–]sp0ck06 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    it might make the game more appealing for black players that have been playing as white dudes in virtually every fps ever?

                    i just don't get why people care. are you really that upset that your character model is a black dude while you're trying to take down a tank?

                    [–]xSergis -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    IT IS A GAME.

                    its also a part of this recent tendency to treat black people like holy cows and dance around them chanting "we're sorry we're sorry we're sorry"

                    try seeing the forest behind the trees sometime

                    [–]captaingoldenbeard 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Subbed to this sub today, already considering unsubbing for this political bullshit. I will repeat again, it's a game. Your stance against the "politically correct system" is pointless. I'm not a part of it. I just think it's lame as hell to nitpick the number of black models on a video game.

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                      [–]WillPowder -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Yes bunch of 101st Chairborne Division anti-SJW scrus in this sub. The fact that your getting down voted also reveals their racism. Fuccem.

                      [–]TheMightySwede 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I wonder if OP is a regular in r/The_Donald on his main account...

                      [–]TonyMasama 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      We honestly should just be able to create our own character for each faction. That would save immense troubles.

                      [–]McJoeJoeJoe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Username checks out?

                      [–]th3ghost 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Dude what are you doing? You are going to trigger so many people. Social justice warriors will appear out of no where, and then they'll make you apologize for having an opinion.

                      Nah but seriously Harlem hellfighters rolls off the tongue nicely. Not to mention bf4's art features a white dude prominently, hardline features a Hispanic fellow. Fact is the audience is vocal and dice listens. It's cool that the diverse player base is represented in this way.

                      [–]Welly-UK -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Going to be honest I just don't care. Is it really worth getting mad over?

                      [–]sp0ck06 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      lol apparently so

                      [–]george_with_a_j -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      But it's LITERALLY REWRITING HISTORY!

                      We won't mention the other historically inaccurate gameplay elements though, because logic

                      [–]Sitchu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Its a world war 1 game where you can run and gun as a german soldier whilst using a american smg and a russian bolt action rifle. The game isnt historically acurate for shit.

                      [–]Acaelus7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I noticed this also. Many black soldiers died for a cause, which we should never forget. But I think they sort of politicized the game because Race is such a hot button topic for USA right now. IF they did include it as it historically happened there would be many more people upset, and call the game racist. Which is just sad that these type of things have to happen. We can't tell history without someone wanting to re-write it to fit their agenda.

                      [–]Cascadialiving 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Much like this skins on the weapons, I don't give a fuck what skin color the character is, unless it impacts the ability to kill.

                      [–]TonyMasama -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      I'm a dark skinned Asian and I support OP.

                      [–]Coltorl- 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Cool, I'm a white guy and i think he's being a baby.

                      [–]Saiic 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      white guy here, i see no problem with skin color in the game. i play it to play it, i don't play it for historical accuracy or skin color.

                      [–]MaXKiLLzi7-6700k/980Ti FTW 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Kanye West is apparently a major share holder at DICE.

                      [–]Yuriicide 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      This has also been bugging me. Don't really know what DICE is trying to say with this.

                      [–]RUN4Y0URL1F3 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      It's not about being SJWs. EA is not a charity. There's only 1 true explanation, and it is profit. EA knows that the core BF audience is composed of young white males. To earn more profit they need to expand the playerbase, appealing to different demographics, hence the blacks soldiers, the idea of having female soldiers and Snoopdogg and the other black celebrities at the gameplay reveal event in LA. It is simply business. Nothing personal, nor political!

                      [–]hellla -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      This thread is hilariously racist. I expect nothing more from Reddit though. If you see this as a 'problem' and agree with OP, you are the problem with this world. Downvote me all you want but deep down inside just know you're very wrong and need to change your heart. Obviously hate is deeply rooted in you and your values and irrationality and if ignorance plagues you. I can't believe people are actually complaining about historical accuracy when the whole fucking game is filled with historical inaccuracies. But skin color? Really? Grow up

                      [–]MasterTacticianAlba -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I can't believe people are actually complaining about historical accuracy

                      You can't believe people are complaining about glaringly obvious inaccuracies that have absolutely no reason for being like that in a game based on an extremely well known and well documented historical event?

                      All the other inaccuracies can be excused for gameplay reasons. But black people being so predominant..? I literally can't think of a reason for that. It would be like making a Samurai game set in Japan, but just have 1/4 of the characters be black. It just makes no sense and with no reasoning behind it, it just sticks out and makes you ask "why would they portray them so inaccurately?"

                      [–]SimonowskiEKCM -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      They probably prefer seeing black men die repeatedly over whites.

                      [–]PoorTasteLowQuality -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      My personal beef with this is that it is imposed on us. If it was like The Division, where you set up your character, it would be fine. Represent what you want. Because having someone play as an Asian on all maps and factions would be just as implausible as the black German joke they have set in the game. At the end of the day, they CHOSE to play as that. But no, instead it is forced to perpetuate this garbage pseudo-diversity.

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