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[–]sepetoner 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Golem team is setting a ICO standard that will greatly pay off for them in the long run. Laying out an initial architecture for the community to see and understand is paramount in success; iterative updates of this architecture based on user feedback is even better. By following this structure, companies will not only gain the funding and resources they need, but, more importantly, will also gain trust through transparency. This is the way the Ethereum will succeed. Obscure answers about codebase, team, security, and other aspects of a company do not work, and when people come to this realization, Ethereum will thrive.

[–]aribolab 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hear, hear! They are doing an excellent job, step by step, providing information and listening to the community. Thanks Golem!

[–]newretro 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Appreciate all the answers given here. It's unrealistic to remove all the risk factors and this kind of funding is different in risk profile anyway. What's important giving purchasers clarity of what they're getting. Then it's their choice.

I'll try and get a chance to do a review properly but several of my previous comments have been taken into account already so I'm not sure how many more I'll have.

[–]drawingthesun 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

As with all we do within Golem, this will not be some ninja-stealth announcement; we will set the date at least a couple of days in advance

A few days notice is very short. Many of us don't keep track on here everyday or even every other day.

I think that you should be at least announcing the crowdfunding date a week or even two weeks in advance.

[–]julian_z[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

We are aiming at one week notice. Plus, I give quite precise hint that we are aiming at something close to 10-14 days from now. The only thing which is holding us back it that we want to be sure contract is all right before announcing the date.

[–]PseudonymousChomsky 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

A solution to the "not checking reddit frequently" issue might be to give people an email/newsletter signup option. This way you can additionally notify people of the crowdsale date directly to their inbox. Do you have a newsletter to signup via email?

[–]julian_z[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, please scroll to the bottom of our page. We will inform about the date with the newsletter.

[–]drawingthesun 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are aiming at one week notice.

Ok that's great, thanks :)

[–]newretro 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

How does the application registry function given that it's decentralised and anyone can claim anything?

Community approval or rating of transaction model;

I'd like to know more about this.

Together, the application registry and transaction framework mitigates Sybil and whitewashing attacks by providing an incentive to participate, introducing an economic and computational cost to participation, and providing a metric for reputation in order to maintain optimal connectivity.

This is tricky stuff but I guess some of the work has been done here?

The token feels a little forced in but it's probably workable since you're building a lot of software so it's non trivial for someone to clone and just avoid the fee (I assume?). Suppliers will price in fiat and just need to manage tokens somewhat. It isn't based around a scarce resource but is being used to bootstrap a community which I think is fair game. I applaud removing the transaction fee for all the reasons you've stated. Anything other than a microtransaction isn't sustainable in this type of model.

There's a lot of technology to build yet and the economics of the entire system are a great big unknown, however if people believe this is the way forwards then they'll take that risk. The upside is huge and the project appears to be on a sound footing.

I haven't looked at what's being built or researched the team in depth but the information is out there for anyone considering the project.

Another plus is the longevity. They've priced in 4 years and included some more tokens which can provide a big chunk of 'second round' funding if they keep the project moving. Although, I think 6 months is too short and I'm unclear quite why this is a technical issue related to upgrading tokens? A minimum of 3 years is important to target because of how much the technology will change in that time. Ethereum is nowhere near ready for prime time usage yet and the whitepaper is explicit about the immaturity of a bunch of related technologies.

If I write ten points about this, I haven't decided what they are yet... In general I'm very positive about how this has been put forwards and iterated. If there's something missing it's some third party credibility checks because I'm not qualified to comment on the feasibility and existing work. On the assumption that the work is ok and team is as good as it looks then this is a great project. One that may not work but one could say the same about Ethereum.

[–]newretro 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Adding to my previous post, I think if there are quibbles it'll be about if forcing the token in as a payment will work. It is, however, working thus far for BitCrystals. The token will also be traded for a fair while before having any use.

[–]Vitalikmybuterin 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The token forcing is an evolution that I hope gets streamlined/figured out across ethereum.. it is a bit of a barrier but definitely ways to make dummy proof .. might be behind the scene processing etc. linking to eth and fiat ...

[–]newretro 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not a barrier to users. There will be middlemen who do that work. It's more about if it becomes a barrier to the business vs identical smart contract networks without that requirement. Still, even they need transaction fees if a public network.

There is also a potential liquidity issue but I suspect it'd be ok practice. I'm not an economist though...

[–]badb_i 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks again for your analysis. We really appreciate it.

How does the application registry function given that it's decentralised and anyone can claim anything? Application Registry is an Ethereum smart contract. Anyone can certify anything, but most users won't like to run applications certified by anonymous. They will choose application created and certified by well-known individuals and organisations.

Community approval or rating of transaction model; It’s a similar idea as above. Fair, useful transaction models will be certified more often. Additionally, if current transaction model is certified by well-known entities and the users inform developers that it’s useful it may be added to default whitelist.

This is tricky stuff but I guess some of the work has been done here? Yes and yes, but we’re mainly talking about software developers and requestors here.

[–]Bitnicity 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You really set a perfect example how a good ICO should proceed, great responsiveness, candidness, transparency and simplicity.

[–]vectortrader 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Golem: "Make ICOs Great Again"

[–]Dunning_Krugerrands 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great work. Been a fan of the idea for a while. Also having a community review of the crowdsale is a great step forward.

  • Market stratergy section still feels a bit weak. Maybe some more analysis of needs so that the value proposition of Golem vs cloud services or commertial render farms is clearer. What are golem's strengths and weaknesses vs existing products. Are they sufficient advantages to overcome barriers. How will you convince companies? Will you have a B2B sales force?
  • The economic model for the GNT is not really clear. I understand that it may not be possible to supply a detailed argument without risking promoting a security. However some kind of economic argument about why the price of GNT will increase as use of the network grows would be appreciated.
    • Draw some kind of diagram of the expected flow, lockup and uses of GNT. (How does the amount required or locked up change as usage grows?)
    • How will customers buy GNT? / How will providers sell their GNT? (will you develop an exchange?)
    • How will providers price in Eth, stable coins or fiat? Will they need to keep adjusting prices using an oracle?
    • Rationally most providers should probably want to sell GNT to fund electricity and server management (especially in the long term as profit margins fall). Given this why do we expect demand to be > supply and thus price increase.
    • Conversely does hording pose a risk to the economics of the network. That is how will a stable market for computation be achieved?

[–]danielzakrisson 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

For me personally this is a great step forward and sets an example for how the ICO process can be handled and improved upon and I thank you for that.

Your responsiveness and transparency is very encouraging, and I hope other projects will see and learn.

It is a very complex project and I asked a number of questions and I'm fully aware not all of my wishes will be fulfilled. Finding a good balance is key and from the looks of it you have improved significantly in most of the key areas where I expressed my concerns.

I hope to be back with a final analysis based around my evaluation structure around the time you announce the start date of token sale. Until then, thanks again for your swift and considered iteration process and being open to community feedback.

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[–]CEKTAHT 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hi,Julian, please help me understand something..Golem team will create x amount of GNT wich will be distributed to investors, once your platform is live, how your potential costumers will be able to get GNT to pay for service on Golem network? They'll have to buy it on exchanges? Looks not practical...or I'm missing something?

[–]julian_z[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, they will have to obtain tokens this way or another. I think as Ethereum and its surroundings will develop, this will become rather painless. And we will for sure facilitate integration of services which will make it as simple as possible.

[–]CEKTAHT 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yup, I think you guys have to simplify purchasing process as much as possible, otherwise you'll be losing potential costumers just because they prefer to use their credit card or bank transaction to pay your competitors, rather than creating account on exchange, going through verification process and then transfering funds to exchange to buy GNT

[–]newretro 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There will undoubtedly be regular front ends to the system which just accept fiat and price in fiat. Behind the scenes they'll manage token resources. There are no exchange/kyc issues if the business is never actually seeing the token.

[–]Bitnicity 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think they mention it in the paper, exchange, ShapeShift etc, same for ether except the mining part.

[–]borisyeltsing -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

please please we need to stop the flood of low quality ICOs filled with technical jargon to hide it's lack of substance.