133
134

Give Memphis a Shot (self.reddevils)

dunnymuncher が 投稿

Look I know we have very split opinions about Memphis and his place in the team here, one thing that we do agree on is that he has a talent. We saw that in his early performances against Brugge and he has the attacking mentality that the team is lacking. Especially with Shaw and Pogba now joining the left hand side with him

He knows how to take on a player.

We have seen over the last couple performances that the team has not shown nearly enough motivation and energy moving forward in attack. We have seen in his performances last season that Memphis knows how to attack, he plays direct, fast football and plays with the goal scoring mentality.

Look at the goals he scored when cutting in

Against Brugge

Brugge Again

Against FC Midtjylland

Alright sure a common trait with these goals is the quality of opposition, but we saw throughout the season he was playing with the mentality of cutting inside and trying to get the ball towards the goal using his speed, strength and skill.

On Saturday against Leicester I think the line up should resembling something like this

433

We saw the best of both Memphis and Luke Shaw (pre-injury) last season when they were overlapping and playing each other through. With Pogba also pushing up the left hand side towards them it could allow for Memphis to create space for Pogba in the middle, go himself or find the ever-overlapping Luke Shaw to try and create more chances. Memphis has the energy to run for days and is built like a brick wall, with Martial injured and Mkhitaryan potentially back it could be time for Mourinho to change it up a bit to break this little run.

Memphis could be the man that breaks open Pogba as well, Martial has been drifting central and suffocating the space offered and forcing Pogba to drop or go wide but with Memphis staying wide and THEN cutting inside after receiving the ball or potentially staying wide and displaying his crossing ability that he showed during this game against Turkey for the NT

Crosses

TL;DR

Memphis+Shaw+Pogba=Goals

全 128 件のコメント
並べ替え:
ベスト
トップ新着論争中古い順Q&A

[–]TudoorsScholes 140ポイント141ポイント  (18子コメント)

I think Depay deserves a start simply because all of our other attacking players, especially the wide ones have been completely absent. Start him against Northampton, get his confidence going, then get him in against Leicester.

[–]lambo4bkfast 55ポイント56ポイント  (7子コメント)

Definitely don't start Memphis against Leicester. Christ this subreddit loves players that don't get any minutes.

[–]TudoorsScholes 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

If he plays well against Northampton, I think it deserves a game off the bench.

[–]shredderrrrrr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's funny--this sub always cries out for whoever isn't playing or a formation we don't play. The second we play that player or change to that formation and it doesn't work, they find some new reason for why we're losing.

Memphis will get a chance and then fuck it up. Then people on here will be crying out for Perreira to get or chance or something.

[–]OTownTrillaFoRilla 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. Don't start him v Leicester no matter how well he does v Northampton. He must be eased in or risk having his confidence shattered with a bad league performance.

[–]dunnymuncher[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

Would you rate Memphis over Lingard? Whenever Lingard plays over Memphis I feel like he hasn't really deserved it except for the end of last year.

[–]uncreddevilMartial 74ポイント75ポイント  (4子コメント)

Uhhhhh no. Lingard does this thing called scoring goals- especially at Wembley

[–]Noneek 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

He has the right mentality, but not necessarily the corresponding talent. He is exactly the right kind of United player in effort. He puts in a shift almost every time. The entire team could be moody, and it seems to only fuel his motivation.

[–]shredderrrrrr 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

but not necessarily the corresponding talent.

Why is this always the rhetoric with Lingard? Last year, he was one of our best players. He has played against big teams and not looked a bit out of place (with the occasional exception like the recent City match). He has scored phenomenal goals and been a game-winner for us.

[–]Noneek 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's sort of commentary on the do-it-all modern footballers. I don't agree he was one of our best players, in a season that had Martial, Rashford, De Gea, Smalling, and towards the end, Rooney. However, Lingard showed up when it mattered, which is an immensely underrated attribute to have.

What I love about Lingard is his no fucking around when it comes to scoring goals. If he's there, rarely is there a second or third touch, he'll just boot it. If he's feeling it, he'll make a run, and he's quite nimble with the ball at his feet, but by no means pacey or strong. One or the other is a vital attribute for most modern players in his area (usually wing, no.10). I feel like he could be a game changer going forward, and right now his on-field attitude is what we need to shape up. But it's no coincidence so many people view him the way they do.

I just hate that they ignore how much of a workhorse he is, and one of few we have. He's Red through and through.

[–]danderpander 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Memphis regularly fails to protect his fullback. That's his biggest weakness. And his lack of offensive output doesn't justify the weakness.

Lingard gets picked over him because he tracks back effectively.

[–]Ibs99 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Recently, even though he hasn't played much, he's tracked back and helped his Full Back

[–]TudoorsScholes 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think Lingard isn't a good winger, I think he's best, and actually solid as a midfielder. All throughout the youth system, and last year he's best when he has a lot of people around him, not out on the wing.

[–]shredderrrrrr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whenever Lingard plays over Memphis I feel like he hasn't really deserved it

Are you serious? Surely you're joking, right?

Memphis may have more potential than Lingard, but Lingard has consistently played miles better than Memphis. There was a reason he kept getting minutes last year (and, similarly, why Memphis did not).

[–]Custard_NoobMartial. He's isolated. Skrtel here. OHHHHH YESSS! 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's me, Jose. Sure I'll give him a shot.
*Edit: In all seriousness though, considering Martial is in bad form + injured, the LW spot is vacant. I'd love for Memphis to pick up form and lock that position down for the season, he definitely has the talent to.

[–]itnotFtSatHSa 42ポイント43ポイント  (8子コメント)

Memphis holds the ball too long, tries to dribble past defenders. He's not United Ronaldo and these are not Eredivisie defenders. This is the Premier League where teams like Leicester can win the league if they are in form. One needs to make quick and decisive decision with the ball. I haven't seen him do that often yet. But if he can figure that part out there is no doubt he will be successful and Jose will start him.

[–]ZTJ_22 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you watch any of his recent brief appearances he actually passes the ball pretty quickly now unless he's 1v1, I think he deserves a shot

[–]dunnymuncher[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

That has been his problem in the past, it is all about being able to pick up what is going on around and react.

[–]bd98723461 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

He's not United Ronaldo and these are not Eredivisie defenders.

PSV and Feyenoord both beat Man United, and one "Eredivisie defender" from Memphis' previous team broke Shaw's leg.

Perhaps it's time to adjust your biases and stop parroting /r/soccer.

Memphis' problems don't stem from that. They're psychological.

[–]Alante 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

What does putting in a dangerously high tackle have to do with the quality of a league? Ridiculous comment.

[–]bd98723461 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

  1. It has everything to do with the intensity of defending
  2. That's not the only thing I said, you're disingenuously making it look that way. I also said PSV and Feyenoord beat Man United.

If the Eredivisie is so much worse, prove it on the pitch. Until that time, it's a laughable excuse for both Dutch players in the PL AND their arrogant PL-venerating detractors.

[–]Alante 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry, I should have been clearer; suggesting a defender from any league couldn't make a reckless tackle that breaks someone's leg and then to use it as part of an otherwise fine argument is absolutely ridiculous.

Sunday league players make high impact, high intensity tackles and break people's legs every week throughout the world. It has no bearing on their quality.

[–]shredderrrrrr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

one "Eredivisie defender" from Memphis' previous team broke Shaw's leg.

Lol what the fuck? How in the world can you use this as support for your argument?

[–]Yo_where_r_my_ticket -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Memphis' problem is his footballing ability

[–]enwhykiidMartial 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'm with you buddy. You never know, he might hit a groove because I think all he needs is confidence and game time. The opportunity is staring at him, hopefully he seizes it

[–]shredderrrrrr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is, we're not really in a position to go with "you never know." We need results. The league isn't forgiving.

[–]baby_bomb_squad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Van gaal thought the same thing. Gave him more than one opportunity and he blew all of them

[–]nravs 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes, I'd love to see him get a run of games!! Especially at the time when Mourinho is deciding on the best starting XI, he must give everyone a chance to start.

[–]dunnymuncher[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Do you rate him over Lingard?

[–]ZachMichSchweinsteiger 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he is more talented than Lingard but Jesse is far more consistent and works harder.

[–]nravs 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tough to call. Memphis comes with a reputation, Lingard is trying to establish his. Both have shown flashes of brilliance in the past but then not consistently enough.

[–]Hazsbgae 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lingard is more intelligent as a footballer, work harder, better movement on and off the ball, no show off or flashy stuffs.

[–]cadallimore 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeh he should play against Northampton -- but purely on the basis that we bought him as a prospect and need to give him minutes to see if he can match that potential.

Frankly, though, he's been terrible for us since he arrived. His best performances have been against teams that would be lucky to be in the EPL.

His decision-making is hopeless, his shooting is wayward, he struggles to beat a man (especially compared to Rashford/Martial/even Lingard), he is probably the worst defensive winger we have at the club, and he is actually pretty slow.

I'd like him to be given opportunities to rebut those characteristics, but I'm not holding my breath.

Also:

Martial has been drifting central and suffocating the space offered and forcing Pogba to drop or go wide but with Memphis staying wide and THEN cutting inside

I think the drifting central thing is a tactical instruction from Mou, so I wouldn't expect that to change. It seems deliberate that we are moving narrow to create space for our fullbacks. Our wingers just aren't very good at this (yet) and don't make the right runs.

[–]eoghaanM 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Memphis is pretty slow? Notsureifserious

[–]cadallimore 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

100% serious.

So you think Memphis is faster (over any distance) that Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Young, or even Mkhi?

He could maybe beat Mkhi for pace. The others would absolutely smoke him.

I don't think I can remember more than a handful of times that he has beaten a man using speed. Rashford and Marial do that almost every game.

He's not a fast player, it's just wrong to think otherwise.

[–]Moyesehh 7ポイント8ポイント  (22子コメント)

Brugge and Midgetland are both bad teams.

[–]dunnymuncher[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (21子コメント)

I said that in the post but the point is still valid, he has the attacking mentality.

[–]Flick_My_Bean_Geoff 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

...but not against good teams.

[–]TheAwakenedBrock Lesnar -2ポイント-1ポイント  (19子コメント)

he has the attacking mentality.

So do I. Where do I apply to join the club? I also have - passion, desire, hunger, engine, honesty, humility, I'll sign for the club on a free, and my wages would be 1/100 of Memphis as well.

[–]aventador670GIGGS -3ポイント-2ポイント  (18子コメント)

He also has professional experience, ability and in shape to play 90 minutes in the PL. He has attacking mentality in that he will push forward instead of side to side passing and will shoot when there is a chance instead of passing it. Most importantly, we don't have any other options out wide so it doesn't hurt to try all the options.

Lingard shit the bed during derby, mkhi is out, martial is out and out of form. He has shown glimpse of magic before, so the talent is there, just needs faith from Jose to shine.

[–]TrickyxoneCoppell 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

Lingard was coming back from injury not shitting the fucking bed, he's done far more for us than Memphis ever has and he actually cares enough to get back and defend, don't want to shit on Memphis and it's too early to say for sure but I'm fucking sick of people on this sub shitting on Lingard because they have a hard on for Memphis and he has a reputation/cost money.

[–]ParkerZAYoung 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Uh did you not see Memphis getting back and defending in the last match? That used to be a valid criticism but he's upped his defensive work of late.

[–]TrickyxoneCoppell 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes I actually did mention that he did appear to be trying in the post match thread, you have to also consider though that he was playing LB so would have looked pretty bad if he hadn't, he still hasn't done anything like as much as Lingard as so far.

I'm not saying don't ever play Memphis, just play him in the correct order of what they've done to deserve it in conjuction with who needs it, if we were 10 games in and Martial, Mhki and Lingard had all had 5-7 games each I'd agree Memphis deserves chances in every cup game even the full 90 mins, but right now Mhki and Lingard need the minutes too, if one isn't fit and since Martials injured then giving Memphis 90 against Northampton is fine by me.

[–]aventador670GIGGS 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Nobody is shitting on Lingard. He didn't play good whatsoever in the derby, that's not my opinion, it's a fact. Would be kind of unfair for Memphis if he didn't start a game in this situation either. I'm up for whoever can deliver a performance, and right now, I think that Memphis can do that.

[–]TrickyxoneCoppell 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You actually said "Lingard shit the bed during the derby" and while I agree he was very poor you just cannot take that performance into account, he hadn't played a single minute in the Epl this season before that, it's the same with Mhki who either wasn't fit from injury or was still carrying the injury, using that game for future selections or peoples opinions of the two is grossly unfair, neither should have even been picked in that game, you use the Europa, the reserves and early cup games to get people back to fitness not arguably the best team in the Epl right now.

Sorry if I seemed harsh on you, you're hardly the worst one to do it just the straw that broke the camels back so to speak, there's probably at least 50 others on here though saying the same things and Imo thats just ridiculous, does Memphis deserve some time well yes, but at the expense of others who have performed better so far and also need game time then no.

[–]aventador670GIGGS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shitting on Lingard would be to give him the treatment that Rooney is receiving at the moment even though we know that Lingard will only keep improving. Him shitting the bed is my way of saying he didn't perform good, and that's just what the truth is, he actually didn't play good, hence the reason he was subbed in second half. I'm not against Lingard or pro Memphis, I just think that at the moment, Memphis is more hungry and motivated to prove himself to the new manager.

[–]shredderrrrrr 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why do you have confidence in Memphis and not Lingard? Lingard has played well for months and months and then had one bad game. Memphis, on the other, hasn't really put in very many good performances in his United career, let alone consistently.

[–]aventador670GIGGS 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree that Lingard is the more consistent of the two, but who is more talented? it's without a doubt Memphis. I just think that Lingard's performance will affect his confidence, so his confidence needs to be built up. Meanwhile, Memphis has been sidelined for a good time, maybe there is a good indication of why in the training/practice sessions, we don't know for sure. But, we know the kid is hungry and motivated to prove himself, and this would be the best time for him to get a start and boost in confidence. If he doesn't perform, then Lingard can swoop in and take back his spot.

[–]shredderrrrrr 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

but who is more talented? it's without a doubt Memphis.

I don't know--this is a weird question to me. Is "talent" really talent if it's not realized? I mean, Memphis clearly has more potential, but has he shown himself to be more talented when he plays? Because Lingard has played better and more consistently, I would argue, at least as of now, that Lingard is more talented.

[–]aventador670GIGGS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meant to say potential.

[–]chemicalcosh 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

He has the ability to lose the ball, crash around like a lead footed elephant and moan and cry every time something doesn't go his way more like. Memphis is a joke, just like the people that defend the useless clown.

[–]aventador670GIGGS 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well look at who turned out to be joke with no clue. I put my money on Memphis giving a good performance and he delivered. Instead of being an ass and resorting to name calling, maybe you should suggest other options if Memphis is so bad, but that would be too much to expect of someone like you.

[–]chemicalcosh 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Anyone but Memphis is a viable option. And you think he gave a good performance? He was completely average against a LEAGUE ONE team. Memphis the amazing, who can't even break down players two leagues below!!

[–]aventador670GIGGS 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Anyone? Like who? And if that player is a better option then why did Jose go with Memphis? Maybe he knows something we don't? Hmmm, no, there is no way a world class coach would know better than you. And in what way was that an average performance? You either didn't watch the game or you just simply hate Memphis that much.

[–]chemicalcosh 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

He went with Memphis because all the good players are being rested for the Leicester game, and this is a good chance for other players to show what they can do. Memphis wasn't even good enough against a league one team so got subbed off. Not exactly rocket science is it. Name a single useful thing Memphis did other than when he set Carrick up at the start. He was sloppy with passing, panicked when pressed or under any kind of pressure and dribbled like my nan. So please explain what Memphis did that was so amazing in your opinion, which you must be deluded to think he did well seeming he got subbed off. Against Northampton haha.

[–]aventador670GIGGS 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Surely you must be kidding? By what standards was that not a good performance from Memphis? He took players on and created a few chances by dribbling at the players. He's a wide player, which means he won't be at the end of scoring chances. No one is saying he played a 10/10 game but it'd be idiotic to say he played bad like you suggest. Watch him play on the weekend, mark my words he will play.

[–]shredderrrrrr -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lingard shit the bed during derby,

So Lingard having one bad game is enough for him to be dropped, but Memphis can get away with the dozens of terrible performances he put in last season?

[–]gabeg10Memphis 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I honestly agree with pretty much everything you said. It's really up to him at this point. Outside of Rashford, nobody is necessarily outplaying him at LW considering Martial's form. What is there really to lose. I mean, shit, not much else is working right now.

[–]SZamanC#21 Status - Loading... 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want Memphis to succeed so badly.Now is the perfect time for him to play with much lower expectations and a team where he isn't the main attraction. I think the lack of pressure will do wonders for the kid.

[–]DonthitsmeHerrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow watching his 4 good crosses against Turkey, Netherlands forwards are horrible should have been atleast 2 goals there if the forwards were half decent

[–]deflorieIbrahimovic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let him start against Northampton and let him prove himself, which he really needs to do, if he wants to be taken into consideration for the starting lineup for the more important games.

[–]pommmmMemphis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Stoke game where he tried heading the ball back to De Gea killed his confidence, poor lad. I really want him to do well!

[–]RedDevilNumber1Manchester United 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

These posts make me lose faith in this sub. Anyone calling for Memphis to start needs to get there eyes checked.

He was involved in some way for 40+ games last season and was shocking in all but 2.

Same this season. Stop obsessing over his 1 good PSV season and realise he will continue to flop if he doesn't learn to adjust.

Kid seems too stupid, he will flop. Give it a year and he will fuck off for 5 million and go back to making YouTube clips of his one good moment in a 90 min match.

[–]dilapidatedsparrow 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree with you; he has looked nowhere near good enough so far and his cameo at Feyenoord the other night was embarrassing. We have better options in Mkhi, Rashford, Martial & Lingard. I don't see Memphis here next season.

[–]shredderrrrrr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was involved in some way for 40+ games last season

I don't understand why people forget this. It's not like he hasn't been given chances.

[–]fakeplasticairbagKeane 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Your post is basically pure nonsense but I'd give Memphis a game vs Northampton. A load of pseudo tactician bollocks, misfacts and blatant lies

He was fucking awful vs Feyenoord

[–]danskzwag 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Who wasn't ?

[–]fakeplasticairbagKeane -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sure butMemphis is basically always shit unless we play a pub team, I'd give him another chance but let's not pretend he's like to be anything other than shit again just as he was last week

[–]danskzwag -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd play him ahead of young who has the football brain of a 3 year old

[–]Bucky_F-ing_DentShaw 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I love Memphis but I honestly feel Rashford should be starting on the left. For me, ideal would be:

........................Ibra..........................

Rashford...........Pogba............Martial

...........Carrick..........Schneiderlin.......

Shaw......Smalling......Bailey......Valencia

.....................DeGea.......................

Then, Memphis as the offensive spark of the bench in the 70th.

I know, the captain is missing but with this lineup there is push and speed up front with Pogba moving up to be the spark plug and there is solid defense in the midfield that can deliver the ball to the front. I know it will never happen but I would love to see it.

[–]aventador670GIGGS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Martial is out for 10 days, that's where Memphis comes in.

[–]rift9Fellaini 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

How old is Carrick going to be before we stop relying on him? Playing without him there shows how much of a play making whole there is.

[–]Bucky_F-ing_DentShaw 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He may be getting old but I definitely miss those laser targeted passes into the front 4 that he regularly delivers.

[–]runaqua 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

martial is never tested on the right wing... plus he's injured as far as i understand. Should be mkhi / mata on right wing, or maybe even lingard. we don't have much options on the right currently. maybe rashford

[–]Flick_My_Bean_Geoff 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

LOL. Memphis is not good enough. He's even worse at tracking back than our current wingers which will lead to more goals.

OP, you can't say he knows how to take on a player and then show one incident against some team no one had ever heard of before. Show me some premier league games why don't ya?

[–]Bighairman 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is he really worse at tracking back than martial though? He made a good tackle against feyenoord the other day and put in a left back shift against Watford.

Aston Villa comes to mind as for beating players one on one in the league (though I realise they are the worst in the league).

[–]TheTrackPadUserRashgod -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aston Villa are not in the EPL.

[–]TheAwakenedBrock Lesnar 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

He knows how to take on a player.

lolololol

Brugge, Brugge, Midtjylland

That's about his level.

Memphis+Shaw+Pogba=Goals

Yeah, for the other side, since not one of them knows how to defend.

This thread is the epitome of watching Vine/YouTube and claiming to be an expert.

[–]Flick_My_Bean_Geoff 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

I keep hearing how Shaw and Memphis had this wonderful chemistry at the beginning of last season, causing all sorts of problems for the other side and then I tell them that Memphis was dragged off at HT v Liverpool at home because he was utter cack.

No one can actually tell me a game apart from the mighty club brugge where they tore someone apart.

[–]TheAwakenedBrock Lesnar 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

No one can actually tell me a game apart from the mighty club brugge where they tore someone apart.

Woah, woah, woah, you're wrong. Memphis also demolished Midtjylland at home.

Easily the worst player I have seen bought for us, ever. At least with Bebe, it was to pay off Mendes for whatever reason. No footballing brain at all in our Kezman.

Dutch Balotelli.

[–]KoreanMeatballsVan Nistelrooy 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't know if he's easily the worst player I've seen for us, but his preseason performance against Wigan was the worst I've ever seen at any level of football.

[–]TheAwakenedBrock Lesnar 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Worst player bought for us.

He has not one a single good moment of football apart from the 3 games against shit teams. It boggles my mind why this sub-reddit rates him so much, when literally every other forum hates him and wants him gone.

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/memphis-depay-2016-17-performances.419625/page-16#post-19800179, for one.

Come here, though, and you have people "believing" in Memphis, happy with his "courage and determination", etc.

Utter shit, worse than the Kezman deal, makes me wish we could sign Babel instead - in 2016.

[–]Bighairman -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That link you posted shows a fair few people who were happy with him against feyenoord though?

I would refrain from judging Memphis based on last season, we all had rose tinted glasses of Martial (scored in the Derby on debut) and we all currently have rose tinted glasses of rashford as well. I think Memphis should play against Northampton and i can see him eventually displacing martial.

[–]lawanhawizy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Watch him get picked, play like ass and then everyone slags Mourinho off for picking him.

[–]gavshaky 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's how it works here. Everyone was demanding that Mhki gets starts, then after his first start, it was all Jose's fault for picking the wrong team because he had a stinker.

[–]riverflop 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Memphis has a lot of potential and I really want him to succeed but whenever he gets subbed on, he makes a lot of bad calls. I know Mourinho can get him back on the right path and turn him into a more utilitarian player that won't make these beginners mistakes (e.g. overcommitting and keeping the ball for too long). Another issue I have with Memphis is that he appears very nervous on the ball, this can only be fixed by getting some more match time and confidence.

[–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't remember a Utd player as frustrating as Memphis , he isn't in the team because he is selfish but he will ignore every attacking opportunity for a long shot that and him being lazy defensively will not sit well with Mou , that being said I've seen championship players with better decision making than Young

[–]teddyrooBest 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Memphis was really good in the Eredivisie, where defenders aren't all that good. He shone again for us against Brugge and Midtjylland, who also don't have PL quality defenders.

He tries to dribble too much against PL teams, where he's unable to beat his man and ends up losing the ball. I think he's a good player and he's got lots of potential, but if he doesn't adapt to the PL and break into the first team this season, it's going to be tough for him. With Martial and Mkhitaryan off form, this is his best shot.

[–]MrDaebak -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He raped spain in a friendly, their defenders dont suck

[–]Dantsu_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd say the biggest problem is that if Memphis starts, then Martial sits on the bench. Of course Martial could sit out a couple of games, but the risk with that is you can't build a momentum. I think a winnig team needs 13-14 players, that starts about every game and the rest are squad players. Mourinho simply needs to get those best players to click together tactically and play them pretty much every game.

[–]General_Cosca 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

When he has been given a chance I haven't seen anything from him that warrants a start. 'Giving him a shot' just sounds like blind hope.

If he's tearing it up in training I'm sure Jose will give him a chance. Have to trust the manager.

[–]ironbars16Keane 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like the lad i hope he does go on to become a key player for us. But, it seems like the only thing in his arsenal is cutting in, and that only seems to work against small non-EPL teams such as Brugge and Midtjyland.

Martial, Rashford and Lingard all are better then him atm. If he has not improved by seasons end then i think he has to move on to a team that will benefit him and his confidence and re-start his career.

[–]Priest_Tully 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Memphis probably needs to go on loan for a little bit just to be able to play for 90 minutes on a weekly basis. Maybe then he can come back and succeed at United.

That is, unless he will replace Martial this week and all of a sudden be amazing. I really want him to succeed.

[–]DoM1nMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

100% agree with OP. #FreeMemphis

[–]Plonkerface4 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Memphis reminds me of that scene from Space Jam when all the Pro basketball players have their talent robbed. He should play against Northampton but unless he plays out of his skin he should not be considered for a start, lets be realistic here. He has done nothing in the time he has been given to show that his form has changed and just throwing him into start is not going to change that.

[–]dunnymuncher[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

That analogy can be expanded to a lot of the United players during the last few games. The monstars better return Rooney and Pogba to us

[–]Plonkerface4 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed, Smalling, Miki, Martial.... Hmmm maybe we are onto something, its the only reasonable explanation right?

[–]enzoned 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think this guys right. Memphis has talent. He really does. Confidence is key, right? He knows his way around a defender.

[–]Rylingo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want to see him succeed but throwing him in against Leicester after a long absence will do nothing but nuke his confidence if things go wrong.

[–]ChickenAllDayEvryDayBlind 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree completely although I'd rather have Carrick playing for Fellaini for that stability in midfield and to control the pace of the game

[–]baby_bomb_squad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck it. Start him against Northampton. It's the league cup

Martial needs rest. If Memphis blows yet another chance it's on him and he can't complain. If he does well, good we win and maybe he can get some FA cup or premier league minutes

[–]C-doc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He has been nothing but utter shite for us. He shouldn't even be an option. Horrible player

[–]chemicalcosh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funny you show goals of him cutting in, because he is a one trick pony and that's his only move. Every defender out there has figured this out which is why he gets shut down so easily. He is the worst player to ever grace the #7 shirt, the Memphis fanboys are ridiculous and surely only spout this nonsense because he is good on FIFA or something. Every time he has played for United other than that one European game he has looked like he came from league 2.

[–]hitpopMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Memphis NEEDS to start the next 2 games. With Martial injured, he needs a rest and Memphis has to play at left wing! 2 full 90 minute games!

[–]Flick_My_Bean_Geoff 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eh..we need to win against Leicester. If Memphis starts I know what will happen and that is he will be taken off between the 45th and 60th minute.

[–]RedDevilNumber1Manchester United 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

100% agree. I wonder how old these people are calling for Memphis. It often seems like kids because seriously, he has been about as useful as Bebe and had about 50 chances more times to prove himself than Bebe did.

He has flopped. Based on his UNITED performances, not YouTube clips from PSV, I challenge someone to tell me what amazing attributes he possesses to justify this starting spot.

Is it his ability to beat a man? Nope. His ability to pass? Nope. His ability to create chances? Nope. His ability to defend? Nope. His ability to shoot? Hell No.

I am running out of things here guys, enlighten me...

[–]United7s 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I prefer Memphis at LW purely because he can cross better than Martial and Rashford, and that has been missing from the LW position this season.

He's also probably a better defender than Martial and Rashford, so he'll track back better than the two.

Finally, Memphis has that awe factor that you just can't teach. His biggest issue for me, at least in a United shirt, has been his silly desire to take on 3 players instead of passing it on and working without the ball, but he looked really good with Mata in the preseason.

I really hope he gets some games and that he impresses. I think he's our best LW, mostly because I think of Martial as a CF still.

[–]Jack_FIFAScholes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the crossing clips he definitely should've tried to float them long enough so he could get on the end of it. The Dutch players were abysmal.

[–]fakemuseum 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow, how can all of you still expect something from Memphis, he's terrible. Remember how he did in pre-season, he has lost all of his confident and he wasn't that good in the first place. People always back players who didn't play, they asked for Smalling few weeks ago but right now they just desperately want Blind back. That's ridiculous

[–]United7s -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only people calling for Blind are the people who never wanted him taken out.

Smalling is the better CB and deserves to start over Blind.

[–]pauL4W 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He has done NOTHING to show us why he deserves to start a game. He comes off the bench and does nothing, he doesn't even look like he's trying or that he's happy to get on the pitch so why should he start a game?

I really wanted him to come and be great for United but he has been poor, he needs to step up his game on the training field and work a lot harder for the club.

[–]PDubsinTF -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is Mhikitaryan fit? Why not have Memphis left, Ibra/Rashford central and the Armenian on the right? Let Lingard, Mata, and Pogba switch as needed in the midfield. 4-3-3 all day boys!

[–]nerongodLVG -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

He might have talent, but he is stupid with bad decision making and thats why he will never be world class.

[–]Kimash-sama -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Remove Fellaini as well and we got a deal friend!

[–]robertolu2FREEMEMPHIS -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Memphis will excel because he had a few bad game last season doesnt mean he shouldnt play. Martial is out of form ever since he had the number 11 jersey bring on Memphis for a full game dont sub him.

[–]leonardowmd -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do you lot continue to feel as if Fellaini is deserving of a place in that team? Baffling and slightly worrying tbh. That experiment between him and Pogba has failed so far, next player. It should be either Morgan or Carrick. No way Fellaini should be there.