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[–]Deus_Voltz -36 points-35 points-34 points  (23 children)
Kind of frightening how Europeans are ok with the government confiscating weapons on a whim, without a hint of due process.
The article says he owned the guns legally and the reason for the raid was that "the 49-year-old refused mandatory inspections by local authorities."
This is the kind of shit that Obama and Hillary dream about but they're going to have to take my guns from my cold dead fingers before this kind of shit happens in America.
[–]grassrootdiet 24 points25 points26 points  (13 children)
German here. Yep, if somebody is so crazy about his guns that he would die (and probably kill others) for them, we'd consider this person kinda nuts and too dangerous to the public to own weapons.
But also, Germany is much safer than the USA. This whole "I need weapons to defend myself" - mentality isn't here, and our cops rarely if ever shoot anybody.
[–]Deus_Voltz comment score below threshold-18 points-17 points-16 points  (12 children)
I would die and kill others for my weapons, because owning them is a natural right, which the government can't take away without due process.
Maybe you didn't need guns for the last fifty years but if you keep letting in all those kuranderthals you might soon.
[–]grassrootdiet 18 points19 points20 points  (10 children)
In Germany, it isn't a natural right. It is a privilege.
[–]Deus_Voltz comment score below threshold-16 points-15 points-14 points  (9 children)
I'm sorry your government has taken away your fundamental rights. You should not celebrate their passing.
[–]grassrootdiet 17 points18 points19 points  (8 children)
It is not a fundamental right. Nor was it taken away, it was never there. Also, most Germans wouldn't get why you are so crazy about weapons, why you want them so badly etc.
You know, it is perfectly legal for almost every adult German Citizen to have a weapon at home. You just have to get a license. But not many people feel the urge to to so.
[–]tombor 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Couldn't agree more with you. The discussion with /u/Deus_Voltz seems to be pointless anyway. Each country has it's own laws.
[–]Deus_Voltz -3 points-2 points-1 points  (6 children)
Here in my state you can go to a gun show and buy one cash with no record from other citizens.
[–]BlutigeBaumwolle 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
That sounds potentially dangerous.
[–]Deus_Voltz 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Here's a short video the BBC did on a gunshow in VA:
[–]fipseqw 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Gut Germany is not your state.
[–]grassrootdiet 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
Yeah. That would frighten me, because I wouldn't trust most people with the responsibilities that come with gun. ownership.
[–]Proprietor 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
And that is undeniably stupid and dangerous. I'm an American. I own guns. You are bragging about how broken your home state is.
[–]DexterVane 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
How is it a natural right? I'm not trying to start anything here I'm just curious how you see it. It's definitely a legal right in the US, in the sense that your government has given you that right.
But natural right is such a vague, and even philosophical term that I'm interested in how you would apply it in this case.
[–]SALT_DONT_GO_NOWHERE 11 points12 points13 points  (8 children)
confiscating weapons on a whim, without a hint of due process.
he refused to comply with gun laws, them taking this action is due process, not every country has gun laws like the U.S. In fact most western countries have much stricter gun laws, get used to it
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    [–]SALT_DONT_GO_NOWHERE 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    plenty of countries have way stricter gun laws than Canada, if you like American gun laws so much, move there
    [–]earthtuner 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I'm not against gun laws and I like the fact we write exams to get our licenses.That law alone would prevent most Americans from gun ownership.
    [–]Deus_Voltz comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points  (4 children)
    "them taking this action is due process"
    I really hope you don't think the government randomly coming into people's homes and seizing weapons is due process.
    "get used to it"
    No thanks I live in a country that recognizes the natural right of people to own weapons.
    [–]SALT_DONT_GO_NOWHERE 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
    randomly coming into people's homes
    What makes you think this is random, here's a quote from the article
    Officials said police were executing a warrant to confiscate firearms after the 49-year-old refused mandatory inspections by local authorities.
    He refused inspections, that's illegal and grounds for confiscation in Germany. Not every country has American like gun laws, in fact like I said before nearly every other western style country has stricter gun laws than the U.S
    "get used to it" No thanks I live in a country that recognizes the natural right of people to own weapons.
    Than stop bitching about other countries laws, you don't live there. In fact it seems like you didn't even read the article.
    [–]Deus_Voltz comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (1 child)
    I read the article. It is you who is confused about natural vs legal rights.
    [–]SALT_DONT_GO_NOWHERE 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    there's no solid definition of what a "natural right" is or what specific things are "natural rights", so that argument is pointless.
    [–]Sarcophilus 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    It wasn't random. He was deemed unfit and his permission to own weapons was revoked. They tried to verify that He was in compliance with our law multiple times and after continued refusal He was deemed unfit. In addition he was deemed mentally unstable.
    This is the due process under our gun laws. They tried to collect bis weapons 2 times before but He refused to hand them over. This time they used the support of police and He immediately opened fire on them.
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