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[–]SampsonBrassMountain Man 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excellent.

NEVER in this second marriage, was there any question about who was in charge of the finances, or who made the financial decisions. I consult with her, but I always decide.

That's the key right there. I shake my head when I read about these guys that turn it over to the wife. If you can't figure out how to do it then go take a class. Or two.

[–]summervijx 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

So, just playing devil's advocate here, I am assuming that new wife knows how to handle herself in the event of your passing? Or being from the financial sector you already have a plan in place? Can't tell you how many calls I get from the surviving spouses of people who say they have no idea what to do now that the other person is deceased. "They did all of that stuff, and now I don't even know where to begin..."

[–]pikadildoPurple Pill 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good point. Keeping the step 1 list of accounts / assets / debts up to date should go a long way toward addressing that. Probably a good idea to include usernames and passwords with that list.

[–]Willow-girl 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow. I would find it really hard to be married to someone who had jacked up their finances so badly. I'd just have zero respect for the person. This should probably be good warning to guys who are thinking of getting into a LTR -- observe how she handles money and whether she's capable of delaying gratification. Deficiencies in these areas should be a huge red flag!

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Women typically don't have any aversion to cutting dead weight. Of that, we have a wealth of information.

[–]drty_pr 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

If i tried this myself, I don't think I'd be married anymore. Lol. Although she is excellent with money anyway. Awesome post. You are a man among men.

[–]mrpCamperUnplugging [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

He did it this way because of the situation. Do you have the same situation he was in? Wife controls the accounts but does it well and doesn't spend too much money. Then the issue is just getting back so you can be in control and not her. You don't have to be draconian if she isn't abusing the privilege. but you need to get control.

[–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You don't have to be draconian if she isn't abusing the privilege. but you need to get control.

There's the take away right there.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

So don't be married anymore.

[–]sh0ckley 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I came to these same conclusions and took actions to achieve the results early on before I got here. BP me in anger phase was more "cooperative" than I needed to be but the outcome was what it needed to be.

I have no moral aversion to your methods - the one who knows money management best (me) must be in total control however possible. Go ahead and DEER that overtly with her to make the transition more difficult or impossible.

Wife doesn't fully realize that I have managed her assets (in her name) such that she will be much better off if I ever have to walk away - and cutting ties would be simple because the only joint accounts, debts and assets are things I am fully willing to pay for as a gift to her. Why? Because I love her the way men love, but with a red pill mindset.

Amazing post. +1

[–]saint_chalet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is only one joint bank account, and, I work under the assumption that it is a gift to her.

I like this, being aware of the assets you're willing to let go. Great post, solid reminders in here.

[–]pikadildoPurple Pill 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

How do you deal with existing credit cards that are in her name?

[–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

She only had one. Once I had control of everything else, I told her to close it and she did.

[–]FistFullOfBitches 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is an excellent blueprint. I really wish I had the attitude I have now, and advice like this, back in the day.

Just for laughs let me share. Your description of your situation in your first marriage is so much like mine was - she hid the key to the mailbox so I couldn't see all the overdue notices for bills coming in, she was spending us into the hole on total bullshit, and to top it all off, was stashing cash into a secret account "because she didn't feel secure in the marriage and wanted a safety net". She would parlay a $75 gift card Christmas present into an $800 shopping trip. Meanwhile "our" 25,000 credit card was declined when I tried to buy a fucking cafeteria sandwich at the office in front of my boss. The magnitude of the debacle only came to light when she left for business for a week and I was home more and started to receive all the phone calls from CC companies and other debtholders. An emergency liquidation of close to 150K of stock grants (aka retirement savings) to pay off everything and give us a fresh start was gone in a year and we were back in the hole. Over 100K in debt.

I was such a pussy - letting her make new "budgets", believing in them, and being afraid to face this hydra head-on. Blue pill me took a bath in the divorce, "sharing" the debt, and even letting her rack up furniture for her new place on "our" debt because, well, I knew how hard it would be for her with the kids and yadda yadda yadda. My parents and grandparents (not hers) contributed 50K to the mortgage over the years but half of that equity vanished from my family in a puff of divorce papers. Some lessons are more expensive than they need to be.

I was such a fucking idiot. I shoulda done exactly this, years before it go so bad. I only hope some new guys in a similar situation take this advice to heart. Thanks for sharing FT.

[–]cheeseandhoneyy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We had a "joint" credit card that we used in expenses.

She used it for a non-emergency ~$10 dollar cash advance, costing us ~$1.5 in fees.

I've cancelled her card immediately after that. Never again.

[–]cheeseandhoneyy 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I was going to disapprove of the lies you had to do, but then I read on about the alochol and drug abuse.

I don't think you should openly lie in a marriage (or any relationship), but drastic circumstances, drastic measures. Well done.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Save the morality lesson. As a strategy, it doesn't get much more solid than this.

So you want to play nice, or do you want to be happy?

[–]pikadildoPurple Pill 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not to be a pedant but you're reading morality into that comment. It's not there.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think you should openly lie in a marriage

Hope so. I love being wrong on these things

[–]pikadildoPurple Pill 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

... that's straight from the sidebar?

If he actually made an argument about why lies are bad that's something else and there would be something to discuss. He didn't say to play nice at the expense of happiness. That's all you projecting your bullshit demons.

Don't lie, don't avoid conflict, own shit is core MRP strategy. If you have a problem with that.... dunno what to say dude. ;)

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hope so. I love being wrong on these things

[–]TheFamilyAlphaPro-Masculine Evangelist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm glad my woman is on the ball with finances. Not having to worry about this type of shit opens my mental resources to other endeavors.