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[–]falco_iii 349ポイント350ポイント  (62子コメント)

http://imgur.com/fmRmLUZ
At 5:20 am EDT, the lowest time for american redditors, top 12 in /r/all/rising are /r/the_donald, #13 is from gonewild, and definitely deserves the "rising" attribution.

[–]esmifra 151ポイント152ポイント  (26子コメント)

Here's my /domain/youtube.com view in lowest time for american redditors...

It's a amazing how a subreddit with less than 300K users has practically the entire page while other subreddits dedicated to videos with millions of users or others like /r/youtubehaiku that are very active, all about youtube videos and bigger than the_donald are barely represented.

[–]qtx 71ポイント72ポイント  (11子コメント)

It doesn't really have 300k individual users either, the majority are alt accounts. It's all fabricated, nothing is real.

[–]OmarLittlest_Petshop 42ポイント43ポイント  (7子コメント)

Considering r/t_d is so ban-happy, even to it's own users, and that you need to be a sub to comment, that strongly encourages (deliberate or not) alts being used. I've heard both pro- anti-Trump talk about making/using multiple alts to get around bans.

The actual user count for r/t_d is definitely considerably less than the 'sub count' number. The exact extent of that is anyone's guess.

[–]vdswegs 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

Most subs have been piling abandoned accounts for a decade now. This is as silly as thinking there is actually a billion people on Facebook.

[–]allnose 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most subs pruned abandoned accounts several months ago

[–]Threedawg 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except the Donald is less than a year old

[–]vdswegs 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

My point exactly. Politics probably has something like 90% ghost subscribers.

[–]Bishop0fBanterbury 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Russian "troll farms" require their employees to have at least 6 different accounts and post at least 3 times a day, with monthly quotas to meet every month.

It's well established what they do since there was a leak detailing it back in 2014

[–]Ryurain 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd say there's a difference in type of subscribers , I subscribe to /r/videos and youtubehaiku but I never up vote or downvote. I just go to see the best things for the day and move on I don't care if I up vote or downvote. The Donald subscribers care if their posts are upvoted they want everything to be seen on the top of /r/all

[–]bad88 29ポイント30ポイント  (14子コメント)

it's been like this for weeks

[–]smartzie 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

I installed RES specifically so I could filter that sub. I like to see everything that's going on on the front page, but I couldn't fucking stand it anymore.

[–]A_Sinclaire 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I actually did that yesterday.

I like looking at /r/all to discover new stuff.... but I now blocked everything related to American politics and also all that Gamergate stuff and a few other subs - no matter if they are for or against the particular thing.

It makes /r/all much more pleasant.

[–]thebadtouch21 11ポイント12ポイント  (8子コメント)

Why can't we block subreddits again

[–]ehp29 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Use RES, or the Reddit is Fun app if you're on Android.

[–]Cyathene 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit I went to all rising and the first two pages only 3 posts werent from the donald

[–]Ephraim325 339ポイント340ポイント  (54子コメント)

Everytime I see stuff coming out if donald subteddits and r/politics i can't tell who's real, who's a bot and who's just being paid by a political campaign to talk up one candidate and discredit the other or the other's supporters now....

[–]Istoleabananaplant 117ポイント118ポイント  (10子コメント)

That's exactly what a bot would say!

[–]relayrider 101ポイント102ポイント  (6子コメント)

FELLOW HUMAN I COULD NOT BE MORE IN AGREEMENT

[–]everred 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

THIS HUMAN GETS IT, AM I CORRECT?

[–]Helenius 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

MY VOCAL CORDS ARE VIBRATING AT 64Hz IN AGREEMENT TO YOUR HILARIOUS STATEMENT.

[–]larsonol 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's exactly what a shill would say.

The shill bot war is coming.

[–]ToasterP 44ポイント45ポイント  (21子コメント)

I believe that is the point. Regardless of which side at this point(proof of how effective it is)

The objective is to muddy the waters sufficiently that anything legitimate is lost in the noise.

[–]mypasswordisdumb 44ポイント45ポイント  (20子コメント)

Which is a shame because I'm sure that some of the Wikileaks shit is actually important but I lose faith when I see the cooked narrative and brainwashed comments.

[–]Obi-Wan_Kannabis 28ポイント29ポイント  (11子コメント)

That's the problem, /r/politics refuses to accept it, because they instantly downvote everything that is anti-Hillary and that creates the environment that everyone's discussing

http://www.notreddit.top/#

As you can see, while /r/the_donald dominates r/all/rising /r/politics dominates the opposite, the most downvoted posts on reddit, and they all share a lot in common

[–]Huwbacca 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

I really just can't see political parties wanting to spend that much on social media plants... Like, it seems like a very low impact, high cost strategy.

It's not like managing social media outlets that millions of people will see.. Paying people to comment is in the "maybr 100s will see it!"

[–]smileedude 545ポイント546ポイント  (166子コメント)

I still honestly struggle to tell if the_donald is supposed to be pro Trump or ironically against Trump.

If I wanted to convince someone to vote Clinton I think my best option would be sending them to the_donald to browse.

[–]crazyguzz1 243ポイント244ポイント  (25子コメント)

Hey! There's a name for that.

It's called Poe's Law

"Poe's law is an Internet adage which states that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, parodies of extreme views will be mistaken by some readers or viewers as sincere expressions of the parodied views."

[–]ThePooba 76ポイント77ポイント  (7子コメント)

I mean it might be that or it might be that they have been trolling so fiercly the trolls have trolled themselves into believing what they say

[–]iamlogris 42ポイント43ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's like suffering Stockholm Syndrome when you're taken hostage by your own trolling.

[–]AtheosWrath 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They have worked themselves into a shoot.

[–]SomeGuyNamedPaul 80ポイント81ポイント  (18子コメント)

I thought it was the result of 4chan trolling Reddit and the election.

[–]vhite 99ポイント100ポイント  (12子コメント)

trolling

You are giving them too much credit by implying they are not serious about this.

[–]kirabii 79ポイント80ポイント  (5子コメント)

"Haha, I was just pretending to be dumb."
- 4chan users, probably

[–]pdrocker1 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

"They were only ironic calls for genocide"

[–]Virtymlol 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

please do not group us all with /pol/ we hate them even on 4chan...

[–]Deerscicle 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

So the Hacker 4chan went out and voted for trump in the Republican primaries?

[–]punkdigerati 66ポイント67ポイント  (11子コメント)

Before I started filtering it, I was secretly hoping it was a big prank, like that Australian guy who started a cult to show people how it could happen, but that this started a lot more innocently, just some people messing around and making up some stupid stuff that seemed too ridiculous to be taken seriously, and getting horrified when it took on a life of its own.

[–]SerHeimord 36ポイント37ポイント  (3子コメント)

Also that German movie, The Wave. Creepy stuff

[–]ishouldbeworking69 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

Funnily enough the movie is based on an experiment a teacher from Iowa ran on their students.

[–]13104598210 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think slenderman was a similar thing--started off as a joke, was taken seriously by dumb 12 year olds, and I think someone even died over it at one point.

[–]trangvik 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just like Finland. Started out as a joke between Sweden and Russia, now all of a sudden they're members of the EU.

[–]Nitrogenia 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

A girl got stabbed by her friends in a ritual to Slenderman. She survived.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slender_Man_stabbing

[–]Himiko_the_sun_queen 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

like that Australian guy who started a cult

source? just curious, haven't heard of this

[–]Syn7axError 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. I 'member. It didn't start off as so racist, sexist, etc., it started off as a silly place for Trump, with lots of centipede or MAGA ascii art and whatnot. It just got slowly worse, just like the candidate. I think it's just because as Donald becomes more unhinged, it's harder and harder to legitimately defend him.

[–]rotrsnet 29ポイント30ポイント  (7子コメント)

They actually cited /pol/ as a credible source of evidence today. Speaks for itself really.

[–]mezjjoq 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They agreed with a sentiment, they did not use it as a "credible source of evidence". Speaks for your intensions really.

[–]doyoufeelitnow 130ポイント131ポイント  (24子コメント)

they are for real. They believe Donald is so perfect that theres no reason someone would not vote for him.

they constantly up vote conspiracies, including a map that says " if only taxpayers voted"

[–]waiv 71ポイント72ポイント  (0子コメント)

" if only taxpayers voted"

I guess the irony was lost on them.

[–]DeathDevilize 27ポイント28ポイント  (18子コメント)

Some of them might but the majority of people that vote for the big parties only agree to a certain extent with them, right now its usually "X is better than Y even if both are bad" and they simply think theres no choice but to vote X if you dont want Y to win.

If a large portion of Hillary´s voters would vote anyone else like Stein, Trump would almost certainly beat both even if there are more people that dont want Trump in the office than there are not.

This is one of the major flaws of our current democratic process, but all the people that have gotten elected by it and thus have the power to change it, obviously have no interest in doing so since it got them that power in the first place.

[–]jwestbury 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

If a large portion of Hillary´s voters would vote anyone else like Stein...

...then the country would be even MORE fucked. Stein is an absolute nightmare -- she's someone who stokes the flames of vaccine-caused autism bullshit because she's too scared of angering her Green base. She's a goddamned medical doctor who is willing to let people believe that vaccines cause autism.

And that's not the only problem with Jill Stein.

[–]GumdropGoober 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

They believe Donald is so perfect that theres no reason someone would not vote for him.

Eh, let's be honest: the demographics of this site and the_donald's actions are clearly the work of young people who have varying levels of actual support for the candidate, but do enjoy shitposting, circlejerking, and all the sort of stuff going on over there.

[–]muideracht 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because there's no shitposting or circlejerking going on anywhere else on this site.

[–]aykcak 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, listening to Donald speak has the same effect

[–]idaltufalkard 30ポイント31ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm from Europe and showed my parents the_donald. They generally don't know reddit or 4chan (which have quite some overlap on that sub) but they're now convinced the American people has absolutely lost its mind (or at least say half of them). Not that they love Clinton, but that sub is such a crazy place..

[–]ArmanDoesStuff 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

At this point, I'm convinced Americans have gone off the trolley.

Obviously not all of them, but enough to make their charade of an election a reality.

Seriously, I saw bits and pieces of it and it's just scarecrows and ad hominem. It's fucking crazy. It's like watching a reality tv show.

It's like the House of Commons minus all the restraint and class.

[–]boran_blok 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like watching a reality tv show.

I couldnt agree more. And Donald feels right at ease.

[–]terror406 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Anybody who thinks that sub is ironic should consider that a) 40% of the US population still supports Trump, and b) the kind of intolerant, reactionary shit that dominates /r/all these days shows that Reddit is no longer the liberal community it once was.

[–]Spaturno 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

I still honestly struggle to tell if Donald Trump itselft is supposed to be pro Trump or ironically against Trump.

[–]LeConnor 20ポイント21ポイント  (24子コメント)

The thing that convinced me to vote Clinton was watching Trump in the first debate. The man's a menace. Up until that point I had been eagerly waiting for any sort of dirt to come up on Hillary.

[–]ConebreadIH 237ポイント238ポイント  (93子コメント)

Theres so many no lifing lurkers on /pol/, it's not outside of the realm of reality that these votes are legit. Not to mention the new social obligation to say "I'm not a trump supporter" like someone would say "I'm not a racist" means that up voting is easier than commenting.

While it is suspicious, it's not provable.

[–]ArmanDoesStuff 87ポイント88ポイント  (26子コメント)

Yeah, but that doesn't really apply to the "comment if you're not a bot" thread.

And even where it does apply, literally almost every single one is 3/4k or more. That's on the level of a sub with millions of subscribers, not one with 200k.

Along with the absurd rising rate at all hours of the day, it definitely seems like that place is a bot farm.

EDIT: Just to clarify to everyone getting upset. I said seems like a bot farm. For all I know it's just that its sub base is comprised of real users that are just very dedicated.

[–]Towaum 47ポイント48ポイント  (15子コメント)

When you compare those upvotes to that of a very active sub like say /r/leagueoflegends, you know sh*t doesn't add up.

It's a sad time to be a redditor. I can't justify pointing people to use reddit right now, simply because they might thing I'm a Donald supporter and a white supremist...

The fact that I'm feeling like this, as a multicultural european, bodes ill for Reddit's public view worldwide.

[–]SamSnackLover 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I first felt embarrassed about telling people I used this website during those halcyon days of jailbait and /u/violentacrez. When it turned into full on "ching chong ching cho Chairman Pao Must go!" I was embarrassed to even use the site. Now? We'll we're way past that now.

[–]xLegendarY 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Especially consider the magnitude of what drops every day in the sub.

[–]L_Zilcho 119ポイント120ポイント  (41子コメント)

Checked the top from the last 24 hours on The_Donald. The 25th best post today has 4.6k votes.

For a reasonable comparison, the top posts in the past 24 hours on this multireddit with the top 100 NSFW subs starts at 3.8k and drops down to 1.5k in the first 25 posts.

The_Donald's bots are out voting all of the porn on reddit.

There's no evidence more damming than that

[–]DownvoteMagnetBot 24ポイント25ポイント  (11子コメント)

Haven't you considered that porn subreddits aren't the most popular ones, and it was deliberately chosen to support the argument?

[–]Cycloneblaze 60ポイント61ポイント  (2子コメント)

They really are, though. They're consistently the only thing competing with the_donald on all/rising.

[–]viideri 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

funny how people are so dead set on telling themselves this bot thing couldn't possibly be true

[–]SOnakEpt 25ポイント26ポイント  (6子コメント)

Have you ever been on /r/all? It's riddled with porn, the idea that pornsubs are not popular is ridiculous.

[–]ArmanDoesStuff 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's more the fact that it's a hundred of them and some are pretty popular. But yeah, I think it was meant as a joke.

The other facts provide more substantial evidence (if you can call it that, we're all just guessing).

[–]AMannerings 23ポイント24ポイント  (14子コメント)

I upvote everything from The_Donald I see. I've commented like once on the subreddit itself.

[–]joeaucoin 11ポイント12ポイント  (12子コメント)

I used to hate all the trump stuff when it was just low effort shit posting. Now they bring the news to me then force me to go read it and make up my own mind. It makes no sense, I'm just along for the wild ride

[–]Ctofaname 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

I literally done it all out. It's the boy who cried wolf scenario. That sub was terrible if their goal was to get people to vote for trump. They've done more harm then good.

[–]aubrey1987 62ポイント63ポイント  (8子コメント)

While this is possible, this title is misleading because the guy just speculates and does not demonstrate a damn thing.

[–]MidgardDragon 868ポイント869ポイント  (348子コメント)

You know multiple subs have proven the same about /r/politics right?

[–]mstrkrft- 154ポイント155ポイント  (97子コメント)

It definitely has changed in the past months, though. It used to hate Hillary to a ridiculous extent. No matter how shitty or flat out wrong the article was, as long as it portrayed her negatively it got upvoted.

[–]Deerscicle 226ポイント227ポイント  (91子コメント)

Leading up to the Democratic National Convention, /r/politics was roughly 50% pro-Bernie posts, 25% anti-Clinton posts, 20% anti-Trump/Republican posts, and 5% other politics.

Within a week after the convention, it was 49% pro Clinton posts, 49% anti-Trump posts, and 2% other politics.

[–]IndianaHoosierFan 73ポイント74ポイント  (9子コメント)

Its like 90% anti trump now. Almost nothing about Hillary

[–]Generic_On_Reddit 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's really never been pro-Clinton. It's always been Anti-Trump.

[–]uktvuktvuktv 36ポイント37ポイント  (1子コメント)

Once they fired the republican / Conservative moderators it became 100% pro Hillary

[–]mstrkrft- 120ポイント121ポイント  (54子コメント)

The question is whether that shows anything besides the vast majority of Sanders supporters preferring Hillary over Trump (which I think is the case despite Sanders and Trump sharing an anti establishment element)

[–]Deerscicle 31ポイント32ポイント  (24子コメント)

I don't know what the reason is for it, just sharing an observation about how quick it turned around. I expected it to happen, but definitely not that quickly especially with the sheer amount of hatred that was thrown Clinton's way by the entire sub.

[–]Wetzilla 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

This happened in 2012 too. Until the republican convention /r/politics was 75% Ron Paul stories, and as soon as he didn't get the nomination it flipped to pro-democrat pretty quickly.

[–]Banecn 43ポイント44ポイント  (18子コメント)

There are still plenty of Bernie supporters that hate her. For examples go check out r/WayOfTheBern, r/TheRecordCorrected, r/HillaryForPrison. Granted those subs are mixed bag of political views, but there are plenty of Bernie supporters in there.

[–]mrducky78 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

Clinton controversies still shot to the top, eg. email shit.

It seemed that it was mostly best received if it was in anyway related to Bernie though.

[–]Firree 19ポイント20ポイント  (8子コメント)

Remember all the GradeAUnderA posts that took over /r/Videos? And then a month later the entire site including his own sub turned against him overnight. I think Reddit in general likes to flip flop like a Tilt-A-Whirl because the internet has the memory of a goldfish.

[–]dedicated2fitness 32ポイント33ポイント  (7子コメント)

nah that's coz he turned out to be a real shitheel hiding under the "come on man" style commentary. close personal friends with the turd that is keemstar and various other things that didn't exactly line up with his commentary
basically youtubers can't just be content creators, their audience expects their private persona to match. his didn't.

[–]theshantanu 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

Is their any post that explains the whole thing? I checked out a few of his videos and I thought they were quiet funny. No Idea about his reddit drama.

[–]Richtofen-72 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'll say it now - I like his videos. His style is funny. But the way he approached the his whole #MakeYouTubeGreatAgain campaign was kinda mean. He targeted Tyrone Magnus a little too harshly, even though it was deserved. He attacked and lashed out at his subreddit's mods and top contributors in defence of his friendship with Keemstar, a known shitbag, which lost the support of that whole subreddit. He ranted off about the exact users on his Twitch stream and brigades then a little. That's the main reason for the backlash.

He was still friendly with shitbag Keemstar until for some reason he wasn't, so he teamed up with Pyrocynical and Leafy to make kinda lazy "exposed" videos in a targeted attack, resurfacing stuff that had been floating around already with all of his detractors. Grade recently semi-apologised on one of his latest videos for the subreddit thing, but mostly in a "I'm not that big a deal, I don't deserve this much shit - I was in a bad mood and said things I'm not proud of".

[–]_Madison_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the point where we knew it was bots and astroturfers was when Hillary's wallstreeet transcripts were leaked. Bernie supporters were desperate for those, even if they were going to vote Clinton those should have been all over the sub but they were downvoted to oblivion.

[–]GringusMcDoobster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck no. True Bernie supporters AT MOST tolerate her. The majority absolutely despise her. /r/politics is wayyyyy too pro-Clinton.

[–]Bunslow 12ポイント13ポイント  (12子コメント)

As a Sanders supporter, fuck Hillary (but also fuck Trump too, this is fucked)

[–]SpiritSponge 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

I hated Hillary as much as a person could, but I still hate Trump more. What a lovely election for America.

[–]Jaysyn4Reddit 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Same here. How about 1 more year of Obama while we take a mulligan on the primaries?

[–]GringusMcDoobster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just on the DNC bias alone, the primaries should have been redone. Fuck this election.

[–]nenyim 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

Currently in the top 59 posts (59th being the first one pro-Clinton) Clinton is mentioned 4 times. Three of them are direct quote from republicans saying they would veto any Supreme Court nominee and the last one is "Could a President Clinton Be Tough on Wall St.? Her Staff’s Emails Hint Yes" which is pro-Clinton but very timid about it.

She is present in 15 of the top 100 posts and Bill is present once. Half of which are pools or stating where she is campaigning or who is campaigning for her. Calling it 49% pro-Clinton is incredibly dishonest, that not even considering that when articles quote Trump they are considered anti-Trump but when they do the same about Clinton they are considered pro-Clinton.

[–]Anal_Vacuum 41ポイント42ポイント  (16子コメント)

They don't even post pro-Clinton things. They can't find anything positive about Hillary, only negative things about Trump.

[–]DefinitelyIngenuous 45ポイント46ポイント  (10子コメント)

A few days the top post on /r/politics called Clinton honest. I couldn't believe my eyes.

[–]Deceptichum 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't be unfair on them, they also attack Stein and Johnson whenever the opportunity arises.

[–]Tsorovar 97ポイント98ポイント  (36子コメント)

I've seen several lists of posts that show r/politics tends to have a lot of anti-Trump posts and few to none supporting him, but no evidence of any brigading or botting. Can you link to the proof, please?

[–]Purple10tacle 38ポイント39ポイント  (10子コメント)

The /r/politics content is certainly less organic than it probably should be and mods, like in many default subreddits, curate content to their liking - more than they should. There is little evidence to suggest botting, though. So in short: it may be biased, but unlike /r/the_donald they don't appear to be cheating or violating Reddit's rules.

[–]Traece 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've been heavily watching r/politics' rising category over the last month or so. This is merely anecdotal, but from everything I've seen I've had no reasons to suspect that the makeup of the subreddit at present is because of significant inorganic interference. The rhetoric of the sub's average user in my observances is highly anti-Trump, and this applies to votes and comments.

That being said though, you can post comments that aren't anti-Trump without being vote brigaded into hell itself. You can post anti-Hillary comments more easily because of the "lesser of two evils" perception of her, but you can also defend an action of Trump in the comments section without being brigaded as long as the comment is reasonable and not an explicit support of Trump. I've done it, and I've seen other people do it. What won't happen is, threads like this won't end up on the front page and your comments won't get upvoted to the top, but you can avoid senseless punishment by voters.

So yeah, there's a heavy organic bias in play now, just as there always is in r/politics. There might be some inorganic stuff, but I doubt it's significant.

As I said, this is just my two-bits from my observations and participation.

[–]Piglet86 25ポイント26ポイント  (5子コメント)

Theres more than one proTrump mod over at /r/politics.

They've been accused of being shills from all sides. People crying about pro-Trump articles are complaining about the makeup of the sub.

Donald Trump really isn't that popular with the under 35 crowd.

[–]dabayer 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

Any post about a candidate other than Clinton usually stays at 0 points and really low percentages upvoted. I would understand pro Trump posts being downvoted under the strong Clinton bias but even moderate articles about Johnson get buried, while every Hillary article usually jumps up to 2-3k.

[–]lotheraliel 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

How can you tell that this is the result of brigading / botting rather than the genuine inclination of its users? I know it catters to my interests and is consistent with what I upvote, and I don't think my tendencies are unique. I'll admit /r/politics is biased, but probably not artificially so.

Edit : and tbh given the kind of news relating to Trump, as well as him just having shitty policies, I don't see what positive posts about him could garner thousands of upvotes on a liberal-leaning website.

[–]ChristopherClarkKent 189ポイント190ポイント  (161子コメント)

Link? I've only ever seen claims but nothing like OP

[–]Panoolied 205ポイント206ポイント  (84子コメント)

This is just another claim, nothing is shown or proven, it's literal "its bots, it has to be"

[–]Complicate 57ポイント58ポイント  (60子コメント)

So just like the OP? Got it.

[–]Tuhjik 190ポイント191ポイント  (44子コメント)

did you actually check r/all/rising?

It's pretty damning evidence that anyone can check.

Edit/extension: This sub has 4.6 million readers, with 2000 currently reading as I write. r/pics has 13 million, with 7000 active users. TD has 233k with 6000 active users. That's weird.

r/pics front page has a range of submission upvote counts, from 5000 to a couple hundred. You will struggle to find anything on TD that is below 1000. This is a sub viewed by an audience 1% the size of r/pics. It's just not possible without them.

[–]cythonian 92ポイント93ポイント  (16子コメント)

I'd wager that td posters are more active than pics.

[–]Tuhjik 41ポイント42ポイント  (12子コメント)

TD has fewer active users than pics, as I said. I'm perfectly happy to say that a political sub will be more upvote happy than a default, just look at r/trees. but when it takes up every single spot on rising, indicating posts are being massively upvoted as soon as the poster hits send, then something strange is going on.

[–]Artinz7 42ポイント43ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's not strange at all. When S4P was clogging up the rising feed, nobody cried bots, and for good reason. When a large part of the sub's culture revolves around spreading their message (aka: GET THIS TO THE TOP!) as opposed to something like pics where it's just content for the sake of content, it stands to reason that people would be up voting the new feed a lot. There are plenty of posts in both the Donald and politics that don't get upvoted.

[–]mrsticknote 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

What's strange is how there's multiple pages of 4k+ karma posts on TD in a single day. That's like the top posts of all time in most other subreddits

[–]Draffut2012 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

There are plenty of posts in both the Donald and politics that don't get upvoted.

Go to /r/The_Donald/new

Scroll through pages until you find the submissions that has been out for 2+ hours and have votes (they are hidden before then). I had to go about 300 threads out.

basically every single one has atleast 10 upvotes, most significantly more. I can't find a single one with 1 vote or less. (therefor not upvoted)

[–]eva_major 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

RIGHT NOW, at 7:42AM, there are over 10,000 active users on The_Donald.

[–]Chromenuts 30ポイント31ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's really not evidence of anything other than the fact that it's an unusually active sub. It may very well be bots behind it, but it's ridiculous to pretend that higher than average activity by itself is a smoking gun.

[–]twersx 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

19/25 links on all/rising are from there right now. It's currently about 7 am in New York and 4 am in LA. Who are the Donald's active users at possibly the most dead time on reddit for Americans? How are they dominating the rising queue when the vast majority of Trump supporters are (surely) asleep?

[–]Zannyth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, that whole first/last name account fiasco was pretty damning imo.

[–]googlemyweewee 114ポイント115ポイント  (14子コメント)

It's amazing how this claim is perpetrated simply because Trump doesn't have a lot of support on /r/politics.

I'm a very active College Republican at an Ivy League business school. I specifically do a lot of networking and keep in touch with a lot of political groups both on campus and along the East Coast, mostly bipartisan stuff but many general College Repub/Dems groups at the schools with a bigger presence. Almost none of these people are voting for Trump - seriously. My school has one of the highest conservative populations at all the ivies and within our College Republican group we have less than 25% pledged to vote for him. Now some people may be hiding it, I suspect, due to the general embarrassment of it, or may not want to admit they are voting along family lines. But most conservatives, anecdotally, who know a thing or two about politics more than the casual pop-browse won't touch the guy with a ten-foot pole, and that's before getting into all of the sociopolitical issues. I also do not know a single College Republicans group at a school where I would consider the presence of the group "noteworthy" that announced an official endorsement for him, and that's before any of the recent allegations that would make such an endorsement even more passe on generally liberal college campuses.

When you see /r/politics, while the readership is pretty widespread, the submissions come mostly from the kind of college aged, politically interested users likely involved in some sort of political activism with some degree of knowledge. Among that group, bipartisan or not I don't think you'll find very many who enjoy endorsing Trump. That is the primary userbase of /r/politics, which is why you won't really find much love for Trump among people who have spent a significant amount of time studying or at the very least having a casual in-depth interest in policy which his campaign can seemingly defy any and all prior logic in. I think that's why he has a huge amount of following from "grassroots" and especially the outsider-knowledgeable user, just like Bernie did, but regardless you will not find many traditional political enthusiasts who would endorse him, regardless of party.

[–]gimpwiz 55ポイント56ポイント  (7子コメント)

Exactly! Reddit is largely 15-30 year old Americans. Most of whom don't like Trump. It can't be surprising to see him downvoted in /r/politics.

It's equally clear that they don't love Hillary, but they fucking hate donnie.

[–]VordakKallager 35ポイント36ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's important to remember that there wasn't some huge demographic shift for the users of /r/politics after the Democratic Convention picked Hillary. /r/politics used to be hugely supportive of Sanders, it's no surprise that those same users hate Trump, especially as his campaign has taken a huge nose-dive over the past few months. /r/politics isn't so much "love Hillary" as "hate Trump".

[–]AmbroseMalachai 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hence the reason 90% of the submissions in there are things about how awful Trump is. It isn't a sub that particularly embraces Hilary, its just a sub that directly opposes Donald Trump, even if that means going for Hilary when the ballot comes. Some people on there do like Hilary. I for one have come around. I was not a huge fan of a single candidate before the primaries, but I will have to choose one and Hilary best fits my own views.

[–]eclipse007 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is Reddit equivalent of "a lot of people are saying". No evidence, just throwing things out there and then repeating them.

[–]elljaysa 31ポイント32ポイント  (13子コメント)

Shh, this doesn't fit the narrative of default subs. Next you'll be telling us this was rampant against Bernie last year/earlier this year...

[–]dabayer 75ポイント76ポイント  (18子コメント)

OP is implying Trump supporters are not fanatic enough to upvote everything and together with many people being online and 4chan backing that upvote numbers might actually be real.

[–]CuckedByTRUMP 15ポイント16ポイント  (8子コメント)

I upvote or downvote ever single post I view there. OP is silly. We are just what you say we are. fanatic.

[–]coolguy_420 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't it the second most active sub? People just like going on it since most of their posts are stickied right away and it has instant updates on the news.

[–]TatchM 67ポイント68ポイント  (12子コメント)

I was curious, so I looked up the most controversial posts on The_Donald over the last week.

Every post has over 2k votes. Any other subreddit would have some that would be under 100 internet points.

Also, they don't have a link to the controversial listings.

[–]GrantZ 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

The downvote button is hidden in /r/The_Donald CSS, which probably changes the threshold for a controversial post. It may even explain the amount of rising threads.

[–]beamoflaser 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's other subs without downvote buttons as well, if you compare them is it enough to account for the difference?

[–]ZODGODKING 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

In most other subs, extremists or people who say stuff that's just flat out wrong become controversial. In that sub, it gets voted to the front page. The only other controversial stuff would be anti-Trump, which gets removed because the sub has "no dissenters" in its rules.

People who support Trump rather than just opposing Hillary are rare, but look at them. They worship him as a god-emperor, there probably is an even more hardcore base of spastics who sit there upvoting every thread.

[–]BornIn1500 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

People who support Trump rather than just opposing Hillary are rare

You must live in a sheltered bubble.

[–]dykegravy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Somebody doesn't live in the South!

[–]shillbabyshill 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

What is this supposed to demonstrate? The_Donald has the most active users of any subreddit, and it's approaching an election. The people there are up voting a lot because there's a lot being suppressed.

Conversely you can go to the politics subreddit to find the same is true for pro Clinton propaganda. It's non-stop there. If you question anything about Clinton, you will be downvoted to oblivion.

This submission only proves that The_Donald is extremely active, not that bots are being the active ones.

[–]LUMiNARY_ATL 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where's the demonstration? All I see is a claim based on the high number of upvotes? There's actually not a single shred of proof in that comment.

[–]Work_High_not_Hard 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

His comment is incorrect though? The study he's talking about only investigated twitter, Reddit isn't even mentioned:

To identify the bots, researchers looked for accounts that exclusively posted messages containing hashtags associated with a particular candidate. There were over a dozen hashtags used for each of the candidates to help identity bot activity.

Even the authors speculated as to the study's validity:

There are, however, a few important caveats to this study. First, and most importantly, it hasn’t been peer reviewed. Secondly, machine learning experts caution that the results might have been imprecise due to filtering that could still include personal accounts. And then there are the numbers, which show the infamous p***y grabber would have still been king with regards to Twitter activity even after filtering out the bots. Additionally, the bots had to tweet a minimum of 200 times during the debate and in the four days following, an average of 50 times daily — far exceeding the average human’s tweet frequency.

So if you tweeted (including retweets?) more than 50 times a day during and after the election, your account was considered to be a bot.

[–]Ulnari 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you tweeted only about a particular candidate, using hashtags associated with that candidate, you were considered a bot.

[–]Lies-All-The-Time 48ポイント49ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is far from /r/bestof material. He doesn't even have legitimate proof.

[–]Superjoe224 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty skeptical when someone makes a claim like this. I fully expected to hit the All/rising link and see maybe one or two the_donald posts.

Nope, closer to 20 and one gonewild post mixed in. This is bonkers.

[–]OctogenarianSandwich 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was shit. It was just "it totally is bots guys" with nothing to actually disprove their assertion that they aren't just extremely active.

[–]Tk4v1C0j 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

really rich coming from /r/politics

what will they educate me on next

[–]Taskl 138ポイント139ポイント  (53子コメント)

http://www.notreddit.top

And this proofs that /politics/ is using bots to downvote anything that'a pro-Trump or anti-Hillary.

[–]Schonke 47ポイント48ポイント  (4子コメント)

How does that sample the data? Doesn't reddit only show 0 for any low post these days?

[–]GumdropGoober 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not capable of actually interpreting it, but the author keeps the source code here. Presumably your answers are within.

[–]jumpman72 13ポイント14ポイント  (14子コメント)

Why would a subreddit use bots to manipulate itself only and not other subreddits?

People (Trump supporters (and bots)) this morning were adamant that the lower score of the wikileaks article was evidence of bots brigading... Exactly one subreddit. Not even only the default ones. Exactly one.

I don't understand why that makes sense.

[–]Taskl 30ポイント31ポイント  (12子コメント)

You could ask the exact same question the other way around. If The_Donald uses bots to upvote themselves, why don't they use bots to downvote on other subs?

[–]photenth 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because that would be brigading and a banable offense. Thus they just push their submissions to the top. Then the standard reddit crows sees it and downvotes thus they dip down fast again, at which point they claim they are being "deleted" from the frontpage.

[–]carbohydratecrab 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Automated voting is also a bannable offense.

[–]Taskl 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think that people that care about botting care about bannable offenses. Also, not sure if it's true, so if it's not just ignore this last part, but I heard it's not bannable to downvote posts that are on /r/all.

[–]Achromicat 53ポイント54ポイント  (3子コメント)

So basically "they are botting, because I mean just look at it, it's obvious". Yeah I don't buy it, but I'd expect nothing less from /r/politics to gild it 10 times. Meanwhile, there is some real evidence of botting over at /r/newaccountsinpolitics .

[–]NOTson 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not subbed to /r/The_Donald.
I dont post on /r/The_Donald.
But I do upvote every single /r/The_Donald post.
I'm not a bot. I just have some spare energy.

[–]Delaunt 36ポイント37ポイント  (17子コメント)

This is why I canot wait until this election is over and all the bs with it. People actually think shits going to change by one person. Sad.

[–]unknownsoldierx 42ポイント43ポイント  (12子コメント)

People actually think shits going to change by one person. Sad.

If Gore won in 2000 the invasion of Iraq would never have happened.

[–]icallshenannigans 52ポイント53ポイント  (3子コメント)

Gore did win in 2000. He also "lost."

[–]tagus 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

I remember seeing a legal historian talk about how the Supreme Court had no right or precedent to call the election, either. According to her, the media/people just seemed to shrug and accept it due to the social status the court has gained over the years... but if a similar situation had happened a century ago nobody would've cared about the Supreme Court's opinion.

[–]Tvwatcherr 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Care to link that if you find it? That sounds interesting and I wouldnt mind reading that.

[–]Delaunt 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

An overwhelming vote in congress sent us into a war with iraq. Signed by g w bush himself. One of the senators voting for the war was hilary clinton. Her husband spoke out against the invasion. So maybe if gore had won. Just maybe, he would have vetoed it and sent it back. But, being that the bush admin. Were the ones to go to congress with the declaration, not likely.

[–]JB_UK 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

That happened after a long time of the Presidency banging the drum. GW Bush set up his own intelligence agency inside the White House which fed puffed up reports to the media and to politicians. There was no connection (or almost no connection) between the World Trade Center attacks and Iraq, so it's highly unlikely any invasion would have proceeded without the leadership which occurred.

[–]unknownsoldierx 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

So maybe if gore had won. Just maybe, he would have vetoed it and sent it back. But, being that the bush admin. Were the ones to go to congress with the declaration, not likely.

That is incomprehensible.

You're saying Al Gore "maybe would have" vetoed the war authorization, then in the next sentence, you say that Bush went to congress with the declaration. Why would Gore have asked congress for authorization, and then veto the request?

The war didn't start in congress. The Bush administration made a case for war with fabricated intelligence and took it to congress, then congress authorized use of military force.

[–]iamlogris 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why Jean Chretien will be top 3 Prime Ministers of all time for me. Hor-hay Dubya was like "Hey, Jonny, you want to come to Iraq with me? Weapons'ah mastastruction an' so forth," and Jean Chretien was like "What? No way, mon ami. Your proof is not a proof because it is not proven." And we stayed away from Iraq like a hooker stays away from church.

[–]AnonymousMaleZero 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We have to have hope that things can change. And regardless you should still care about who represents your country at that level. Not every country gets that opportunity.

[–]VikingMode 69ポイント70ポイント  (22子コメント)

Lmfao this is what passes for bestof material?

"look at the_Donald. They're obviously botting"

No proof, no real on depth analysis. Just one guy's word. Fucking hilarious.

What a joke.

[–]nowandlater 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

Right? I hate that sub, but maybe, just maybe, there's a few thousand actual people in there at all times upvoting everything and submitting memes. You know, actual humans, not bots.

[–]Mistercheif 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

But how can a human dare to disagree with me?! No! It's obviously bots!

[–]Rhymes_with_ike 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

This. They just can't fathom how there's such a massive Trump following. The_Donald has been linked so many places. From Trump's Facebook by Trump, to the Wayne Dupree show, to RightSideBroadcasting, to Wikileaks linking it, etc. These are real people on The_Donald, with lots of enthusiasm. So newsflash: they're going to upvote posts. ESPECIALLY considering that fact that posts (for the most part important/damaging to Clinton and the DNC) get brigaded.

[–]Anti-Marxist- 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

This doesn't demonstrate or prove anything. There's at least 7k active subs online, on /r/the Donald at all times. If anything, each post should have more upvotes

[–]MoopusMaximus 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, no.

The Donald is one of the most active subs on all of Reddit. There's no proof in the OP besides "it must be bots because it just is". High numbers of active users guarantees up votes and many popular posts get stickied by mods, further boosting it up. It is not botting, but a use of the sticky system. Either way, OP is completely wrong.

This is also rich coming from /r/politics of all places, which has been infested with astroturfing.

[–]Ketchupkitty 66ポイント67ポイント  (40子コメント)

/r/politics user calling out /r/the_donald ?

Sorry but there is only one subreddit on reddit with millions of super-pac dollars being funneled into it and its not /r/the_donald

[–]dizzyd719 62ポイント63ポイント  (13子コメント)

The Donald is literally shit posting at its finest.

No reasonable discussion happens in that sub.

[–]Seriouscatt 30ポイント31ポイント  (13子コメント)

/r/the_donald posts normally have 80% upvote instantly

But hey, its only upvote bots am I right?

/r/politics has any pro Trump article instantly at 20% upvoted

I also like how OP doesnt actually demonstrates, they just say "They bot, look at those upvotes, nobody can do that". Only takes 3k people who instantly upvote any article - on average 1/4th of the viewers

[–]Iwasapirateonce 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have no doubt that there is a massive amount of manipulation going on in these subs atm, but I think people do underestimate the strength of the anti-establishment sentiment in reddit.

Do people not remember the massive popularity of Ron Paul and Sanders on here? Trump support seems to be a continuation of that trend (albeit a more extreme one)

[–]IVIaskerade 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Votes go up, votes go down. You can't explain that.

[–]Seriouscatt 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most likely those pesky russians at play

[–]bellsofwar3 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm shocked people still havent blocked the cesspool of a sub. Nothing but ignorance and stupidity comes from there anyways.

[–]pehatu 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think both candidates are terrible but I'd trust nothing that comes from /r/politics. The entire Wikileaks situation, FBI reports and the speeches don't get a mention. Have a trawl through /undelete some time.

[–]SimpleManSC 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Um, they didn't "demonstrate" anything, OP just declared they were botting without any evidence other than "they must be."

[–]DXGypsy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He didn't demonstrate jack shit. He wrote his half assed, unfunded suspicion.

[–]Hedoin 40ポイント41ポイント  (17子コメント)

"Hey guys this fits my political narrative so even though its an utterly unremarkable post this goes on bestof" - OP

[–]AVDutch 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ive seen a lot of anti-trump posts on bestof lately, and very few of them are solid.

Also, just look at this post and what a lot of commenters are saying, there are assertions being presented as fact everywhere, without any proof.

Fortunately, an assertion made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Of course when someone disagrees with them/makes a pro-trump post they immediately cry for proof.

Edit: just saw a guy saying 'just use common sense' when defending his ASSERTION. They're literally using the 'educate yourself, shitlord' spiel unironically...

[–]anumati 51ポイント52ポイント  (70子コメント)

Astroturfing. The bots are there to make it look like there's a huge following.

[–]Bum_Dump 80ポイント81ポイント  (18子コメント)

Here's a graph about the difference between the patterns of other subreddits and the_donald. This is how they are always rising, instead of most posts which get more upvotes by virtue of having a lot already.

[–]GumdropGoober 34ポイント35ポイント  (12子コメント)

Two other points:

1) There is a subreddit culture there that promotes mass upvoting all submissions, regardless of quality or content.

2) In the past the moderators there utilized the sticky powers they have to manipulate the voting system, by changing the stickied posts on an hourly (or often shorter) basis, thus getting those posts heavy upvotting almost immediately. This practice was specifically addressed when the Reddit admins changed the algorithm that determines front page content.

[–]AdumbroDeus 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly based on the 4chan and the like threads it seems grassroots, they're just doing things that have the same net effect.

Is there even a word for that? It's a wierd phenomion and they're convinced they're actually fighting astroturfing to reveal their true following but the actual effect is making them believe they have a gigantic following when it's actually a relatively small hypercommitted following.

[–]anumati 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like it doesn't matter if you covered the lawn in green plastic because you wanted to look like you have a lush green lawn, or if it was just that you wanted outdoor carpeting. Either way there's astroturf all over the place.

[–]TheseTheRedOctobers_ 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Claiming they're botting because the posts in their subreddit have over 3,000 upvotes? No actual evidence whatsoever? This doesn't belong in bestof for any reason.

[–]DefNotFromTheFuture 18ポイント19ポイント  (9子コメント)

They can control the upvotes, but then they also have to downvote, because they can't control the upvotes?

Also, with all the wikileaks shit coming out, THIS is what you choose to focus on. Okay.