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[–]ThallassaBeep Boop[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (0子コメント)

Ok, the direction this thread is taking is not about modding at all, but politics.

And I think some of you need to re-examine some facts.

Locking it down now, thanks for your participation.

[–]Braktash 138ポイント139ポイント  (6子コメント)

What actually annoys me to no end about this is the fact that I, as a non American (like the majority of people on this earth) can't do a fucking thing about this stupid election, yet it gets shoved into my face at every single fucking opportunity.-

[–]MyNameUsesEverySpaceSolitude 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that's what gets me. Thanks, Obama.

[–]Rapester- -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you think Americans like it any better? First Hilary and the DNC conspire, collude and cheat to steal the primary from Bernie, (Look at the ongoing lawsuits for exit polling in states like Illinois for evidence.) then we get stuck with Trump who I can only assume is a plant given that he's LITERALLY the only candidate Hilary has a chance in hell of beating.

She's so unfavorable that more people giving her their vote say they're voting against Trump, not for her.

That's the cherry on top too! The amount of people voting against their least favorite cadidate could choose Jill Stein or Gary Johnson (who I disagree heavily with but is still miles better than the two main 'choices'.) and they'd win by over 20 points.

I'd be laughing myself silly at all the idiot sheep that are going to get sheered if it wasn't for the fact that I'm among them.

So please don't act like the election is necessarily the fault of the American people, because if we actually had our will it would be Bernie versus Trump and there'd be no drama because he polled over 10 points ahead of Hilary against Trump at all times.

We're as much victims of our corrupt oligarchy as you, if not moreso.

If you really want to help, petition every country in EU as well as China and tell them to threaten to institute a worldwide embargo on the US unless our corrupt officials implement real change in the field of global warming.

The only way to stop them from being corrupt is to remove the financial incentive to do so.

[–]TheAtomicOption -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to mention that one of the primary reasons Johnson can't win is that he can't get into the debate. This despite having higher poll numbers than Ross Perot did in '92 when he was in the debates because the debate commision, run by the two major parties, stole custody of the debates from the League of Women Voters and then changed the entrance rules to keep 3rd party candidates out. That's why Perot couldn't get into the '96 debates and subsequently had even less support than in '92. You have to have like 80% name recognition to get the 15% initial support that they now demand--no third party candidate can do that without being an already famous billionaire.

Also, The EU and China can't help us with global warming. They're going to be causing more CO2 emissions than we ever did, so they're hardly positioned to be the voice of reason there.

[–]GraklingHunter 60ポイント61ポイント  (3子コメント)

I mean, as a mod author you have the right/power to do whatever you want, but this seems like it will do more harm than good in terms of getting players to use their mods.

And it doesn't even matter what the soap-box is for. Even a user who 100% agrees with all of those hashtags would be annoyed if they were faced with that page instead of the mod they were looking for.

Not to mention that they'll be missing out on what will likely be the single largest rush of new modders Skyrim - or even any Nexus game - has ever seen.

I would think it would make more sense to just add a note to the beginning of all of your mod descriptions. More people will see it fi they're actually able to get to your mod.

[–]Dkmrzv 67ポイント68ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can't install a Skyrim mod that improves dragon behavior until the next US president is elected, and in the meantime you can reflect on the truthfulness of an American news channel.

Sounds reasonable to me! Very relevant stuff for non-Americans!

[–]M1PYSolitude 49ポイント50ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh. Not a big loss, this time I won't be as civil as in the other thread.

OT: I dunno why he would mix up american politics and skyrim mods. Silly, childish and very egocentric.

[–]Cadvin 23ポイント24ポイント  (12子コメント)

I understand the others, but isn't Occupy Wallstreet dead?

[–]AkachiSodi 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who is this and why should I care? Legit question.

[–]TheScyphozoa 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why am I not surprised that it's Apollodown doing this?

[–]KraahkanWinterhold 31ポイント32ポイント  (12子コメント)

Apollo, what is your goal in removing your mods? Are you trying to convince people? I don't see why I should like any of the things you advocate because I can no longer access your mods.

Respectfully, I believe it's in your own interest to keep your mods up. Saying that people with opinions you perceive as hateful are the reason I can't download your mod is frustrating, and gives me little reason to subscribe to your message.

[–]Fujiphoenix 54ポイント55ポイント  (1子コメント)

# WeinersOut #Token'sLifeMatters #GirlsAreGreatWomenAreFunnyGetOverIt.

[–]Phinocio 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

Regardless of anyone's political beliefs, I have a major issue with this comment.

Given that YOU have now brought politics into this, and they appear to differ from mine, you're done here.

Especially this part

and they appear to differ from mine

But I'm not going to get into it apart from this post because this is a sub for mods in Skyrim, not Politics.

[–]SirBrotherBob 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

What happens to your mods if Donald Trump wins? Will they be moved to a Canadian website? :P

Joking aside, I'm always reminded of the stories of monks setting themselves on fire to protest. The spectacle is remembered but the cause forgotten, and the person who gets hurt the most, by their own hand, is the monk.

Of course, I do like Trump in this election, so take that as you will. But Mike Cernovich, a popular Trump supporter, essentially said that Trump supporters can circle-jerk each other all they want on the internet, but the real battle to win people over is in real life, which is why he really pushes MAGA3X (a pledge to win over 3 people in real life).

Mod authors are used to big audiences - download numbers in the thousands or even millions. So, it may seem anti-climactic, but if you, /u/appollodown, want to support Clinton, then the fights not on the internet, but on the ground amongst the people you already know.

[–]Nuttyboy812 60ポイント61ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Apollodown hides all his mods"

Good to see nothing of value was lost.

[–]JoeyHollywood 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

What were Apollo's mods?

[–]TheScyphozoa 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Civil War Overhaul, which is good but not completely bug free, I think it works fine for most people though...some big quest mod collaboration that I can't remember the name of because I'm not into quest mods, but it's obvious a lot of love went into it...and a bunch of other crap that's completely unusable.

[–]ThallassaBeep Boop 36ポイント37ポイント  (44子コメント)

For more context, this is the conversation that prompted this. Read the comments he's responding to.

This is completely in his right, and not the first time he's hidden all his mods for a while to promote an agenda. Just last time it was an anti-paid-mods agenda which went down a little bit better with the internet.

[–]Sable17Windhelm 62ポイント63ポイント  (30子コメント)

It's in his right, yes, but I feel like the adult thing to do would be remove the posts from his mod thread. Ban the user if need be. Do we really need to drag the uglies of politics across our hobbies? Does it need to touch every facet of our lives? -_-

[–]ThallassaBeep Boop 76ポイント77ポイント  (17子コメント)

I agree. Apollo... well, emotional maturity is not one of his fortes.

[–]Notalent13 44ポイント45ポイント  (5子コメント)

Conservatives are Klansmen...cool.

Don't think I can ever bring myself to respect him again.

[–]Sable17Windhelm 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

I always enjoyed his mod descriptions to be honest. And to be more honest, I've defended his craziness in a thread or two before. He's a talented guy and his mods have a hell of a lot of work put into them. This though... I just can't even.

[–]ThallassaBeep Boop 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love his mod descriptions, but I don't find this to be even 1/10th as bad as threatening to break the game of anyone who used paid skyUI 5.0.

[–]ArthmoorDestroyer of Bugs 62ポイント63ポイント  (0子コメント)

He fell for troll bait. That's pretty much it. The trolls have now scored a victory much bigger than they were likely hoping for.

This kind of political crap shouldn't be on display on our mod pages. It's not the place for it, no matter who you support in the election.

[–]goodname_ 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

From the looks of it the guy who started the conversation got exactly the response he wanted... should've just banned him.

[–]EnaiSiaionWinterhold 52ポイント53ポイント  (0子コメント)

Troll level: SUCCESSFUL BEYOND WILDEST DREAMS.

[–]aelysium 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I can't recall off hand, what was the Diversity Day feature in question?

[–]ThallassaBeep Boop 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

I believe it was just making there be more soldiers in the imperial army of different races and genders.

[–]Phinocio 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

My biggest question: Is this lore friendly to how Skyrim/the Imperial Legion is?

[–]ThallassaBeep Boop 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, more so than vanilla.

[–]Phinocio 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then I have absolutely no issue with that.

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    [–]Dave-CWhiterun 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Don't care what your opinion is but keep it civil or don't post, post removed.

    [–]blackhole885 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    well thats fair but am i meant to still be able to see it?

    [–]Dave-CWhiterun 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You can and other moderators can but no one else.

    [–]Huskiterian 16ポイント17ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Isn't this against Nexus terms of service?

    [–]ThallassaBeep Boop 12ポイント13ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Nope.

    I mean, they reserve the right to remove it, but I really doubt they will.

    [–]Huskiterian 16ポイント17ポイント  (10子コメント)

    I'm not talking about hiding his mod, that is perfectly with in his rights. I'm talking about hiding your mod to push a political agenda, which I thought wasn't allowed on the Nexus.

    [–]ThallassaBeep Boop 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

    There's nothing in the ToS about politics except specifically regarding the image share, and I skimmed it to see if anything else applied and couldn't find anything. Other than the bit where they reserve the right to remove anything you say at any time. I just don't see them removing what he said here. Might depend on whether they expect a backlash that will just make matters worse.

    I suspect they're going to have a word with him about this regardless.

    [–]BlackPrinceof_love 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    lol no, you would be very sad to find out how many mods have been taken down. At least they are almost always hosted elsewhere.

    [–]Sexual-T-RexWhiterun 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Whelp, there's a mod creator I won't be downloading from ever again.

    [–]TrijhakWinterhold 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    All I am going to say is that discussing politics on the internet never ends well. I don't think an internet argument has ever changed anyone's minds rather than simply reinforce whatever ideas someone already holds.

    Civility is not the internet's strong suit, and especially so when it comes to politics.

    [–]Devastating_Lolz 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    End of the day it's Apollo's mod so it's his call. I don't agree with him on the motivation behind it, I don't agree with some of the ideas he expresses but it's his call. He can protest in whatever manner he sees fit as long as it doesn't deny people their rights or put people in danger.

    And don't argue with him about his political beliefs. It's so cringey seeing people attack content creators they like for their ideas, whether it's DevilDogGamer getting shit for being pro-gun, Casey Neistat for supporting Hillary or any other example you can think of. If it's that big a deal then don't use their stuff.

    [–]kontankarite 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Well I mean... good for them. But I don't know who this mod author is. But if they feel like doing this is effective and important than more power to them.

    [–]ThallassaBeep Boop 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

    It's apollodown.

    [–]kontankarite 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Alright. I'm sorry, but I don't know who that is.

    [–]ThallassaBeep Boop 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Well, in a few weeks you should definitely check out his mods!

    [–]kontankarite 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Is it the Civil War Overhaul? Cause while that mod is admirable, it kills the pc... for me anyway.

    [–]ThallassaBeep Boop 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah, and dragon combat overhaul and several others.

    [–]TRUELIKEtheRIVER 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /u/apollodown , Can you please answer with your own words, not someone elses. Makes you look like a snob.

    edit: Looks like you are replying by yourself to people who seem sympathetic to you, but people who were confronting you got responded to by letters you never wrote.

    [–]Nazenn 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not the first time this has happened, it wont be the last either, although admittedly usually its about issues in the modding scene rather then issues irrelevant to it.

    But at the same time, the only reason this was noticed was due to the popularity of the mod. Users with little power try and hassle mod authors into certain beliefs all the time because they don't like this feature or that feature. The fact that this time it has resulted in a political discussion instead of a legal or respect discussion as they normally do is somewhat irrelevant as far as I am concerned. This stuff happens unfortunately, and while we may not agree with it, we can at least try and understand what may have pushed the user to this action (as per the context provided by Thallassa) before passing judgement on them.

    Edit: For all the people complaining that 'politics have no place in Skyrim modding' I feel I should point out a reminder that Skyrim has a questline that's fairly importaint in the game called the Civil War. And the situation in question that lead to this came from the comments of a mod called the CIVIL WAR Overhaul. There's mods on the Nexus that turn Ulfric into all sorts of dictators, and even one that turns him into Trump as well. I don't see you all protesting that sort of political statement or the politics in those mods. So before you post again, ask yourself if the issue really is the politics or if its just the fact that you don't like that this is simply more inconvenient for you that they chose this method. Because if its number two, I think the far biggest issue here is the fact that so many authors get effectively berated by users ASSUMING that we have an agenda when we as authors decide to include or not include certain features, and how draining that can be on a daily basis, especially for popular authors.

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      [–]Dave-CWhiterun 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Don't care what your opinion is but keep it civil or don't post, post removed.

      [–]apollodown 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Funny, when I was protesting two weeks ago people told me to get out of the street and protest on the internet.

      Maybe people just don't like protests if they don't agree with them.

      [–]Night_Thastus 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm not informed enough to feel one way or the other on any of the things mentioned in the takedown page. I honestly can't say I support or am against any of them.

      However, I think that using a skyrim mod as a medium for how to gain support for politics or some important issues is a really sad way to go about it.

      It's one thing to have a game which covers political topics like the old Deus Ex, or something. That's fine. But taking down your mods like that? That just looks stupid.

      [–]Matty_B90 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I feel like I missed something...what was this mod and why did they hide it?

      [–]whatitdo6 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's a dick move but they are his mods....

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        [–]Dave-CWhiterun 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Don't care what your opinion is but keep it civil or don't post, post removed.

        [–]MoonSpotSky 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Meh. It's their mod and their mod page. Like it or not this is a community and not some modder sweatshop.

        That said... /u/Arthmoor I've still got inconsistency issues in skyrim, get back to work! [insert whip sounds]

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          [–]ThallassaBeep Boop[M] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Be respectful.

          [–]bat32391 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Well that seems a bit pointless to me, but the mod author can take their mods down for any reason they damn well please. Dunno how this will help anything though.

          So, what'll happen if Trump wins though? Will it stay down?