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Why does /r/Toronto discourage active discussion? (self.askTO)

okaybudday が 投稿

The place seems like a bulletin board for blogTO and TheStar. To the point where there was once bots reposting the articles of other news sites in the comments while TheStar and others were fine. NoSunRevenueBot or some shit.

I was going to make a post asking if anyone has tried any recently opened restaurants because that's one of my favourite things to do in this city and I realized if I put a question mark in my post it would be removed. I thought maybe I could get around it by posting it without the question mark, because it's not really a generic or spammy question, and then I saw this post and that it had been removed for violating the no questions rule.

Honestly, the sub isn't big enough to worry about shit like this and the 50 different subreddits for Toronto is fucking useless. There are 423 people currently active on /r/Toronto and 13 here. Seems like lazy moderators/moderation is the main issue.

Edit/ Look at the shitty responses from the terrible moderators and form your own opinion, they're in here downvoting and justifying their laziness.

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[–]Treadmills4Breakfast 9ポイント10ポイント  (16子コメント)

I have many times thought the people who hate questions on/r/toronto should have started a /r/torontonews and left to let /r/toronto be for everything related in any way to our city. I do like /r/askTO way more cause it has potential to actually connect people, sure the other side of the coin is that there are a lot of dumb questions.

Just make a tagging system to let things be filtered and keep it under one roof.

[–]taco____cat 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

I agree that /r/askTO has its perks, but I also agree that a tagging system in /r/toronto would be altogether more enjoyable and ultimately that's the sort of sub I would like to see.

But after reading the mod responses I get the impression they're not interested in user feedback and creating a more appealing sub and more interested with defensively lashing out at users who don't agree with all the points of how the current sub is being run.

[–]Treadmills4Breakfast 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, it's top 3 city subreddit of all time. It's a very good subreddit, and let me tell you, they have been to other subreddits and they're not as good as their subreddit. It's true.

[–]zenona -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

what he/she said

[–]Xert 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Doesn't work that way. There's no reason r/Toronto has to be a catch-all sub about Toronto. Or about Toronto Ontario at all. It could be about Toronto, Ohio. Or the Toronto asteroid. Or Toronto Space. Or potatoes. Or anything else u/ink_13 wakes up and wants for breakfast tomorrow morning.

[–]vinsintprice 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Toronto, Ontario is the most famous of all those Torontos you listed. They could use the "/r/TorontoOH" etc, for the other Torontos...

[–]smaudio 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree with you 100%

This sub used to be better, more organic.

[–]okaybudday[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's pretty much a comment section for news articles and blog posts for a group of people who make fun of those who comment on those news articles and blog posts.

[–]smaudio 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup. I drop in now just to check out the new post, but usually news articles i already read. Other than that the Things to do today post is great, the rest is reposted garbage with no sense of community or discussion imo.

[–]Outofmyelephant 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

lazy moderators and a fear of turning into a city sub filled with the same questions every day. It's too bad as this place is so empty that it's almost useless...

[–]okaybudday[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think users would be completely fine with moderators removing questions like "I have wide feet and most shoes are uncomfortable. What's the best place to buy super comfortable shoes?" (still pushing it, this is what the upvote/downvote system is here for) or perhaps requesting a rewording of the title to promote a more active discussion about buying reasonably priced shoes in the GTA and then removing the same generic questions that would popup daily(ex: Where do I park when going to X?), that's what moderators are for. But like you said, this sub is almost useless. I never think "oh I'll post that on /r/askTO", I think "oh yeah fuck /r/toronto for not letting me start a discussion on _____ in Toronto".

It's like the moderators think people owe them something, when in reality it's a voluntary position and if you don't like doing it you should step the fuck back and let someone else do it. I was moderating forums when I was 13, it's not a task an adult should have any difficulty doing.

[–]Xert -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's like you think you're owed something in a subreddit.

[–]okaybudday[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What a thoughtful response from a terrible moderator!

[–]Xert -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, at least you got the first half right. 1 out of 3 is progress!

[–]TorontoPoliceCar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

TIL /u/Xert and /u/ur_a_idiet is the same person.

[–]blackbeatsblue[🍰] 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

If you read the rule carefully, I/we (I happen to mod both) do allow and want active discussion. We only want to discourage lazy personal requests that benefit no one else and can be easily Googled.

We actively moderate, and let through questions that are intended for discussion rather than weird laziness. (I say "weird" because it's probably easier/faster to Google than to post on reddit.)

[–]vinsintprice 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had a question I googled, but got nothing, so I posted on /r/Toronto. Got removed immediately... I think you should reevaluate your rules, cuz Google's not always the best source...

[–]cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

Except people post those requests because they're looking for real opinions from real Torontonians. You can't google that. That's why this subreddit is unique and why it shouldn't be moderated under the above stated principal.

[–]thegoodbadandsmoggy 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you think that you've never seen the modqueue.

99% of the shit removed is solved by a cursory google search.

[–]okaybudday[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nobody cares about the modqueue. Get more moderators if there's too much for you to do.

[–]thegoodbadandsmoggy -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Content, not volume. But regardless, I don't think we'd ever please you.

May I suggest you start /r/toronto3 or maybe /r/therealtoronto

[–]okaybudday[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

What about my history with /r/Toronto implies you could never please me? This is such a pathetic response.

[–]Xert -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

N00b, r/toronto3 is already taken.

[–]Xert 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

This is one of the top 3 city subs on reddit, and there's only 3 subs to which anything is directed away from r/Toronto, not 50.

Ask yourself: "Is my submission in and of itself contributing to others in the sub?" If not, then stop your low-effort mooching and write up a discussion that actually kick-starts by contributing several answers of your own.

And the NoSunRevenueBot was a user playing a bot.

[–]okaybudday[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

Low-effort mooching? What is it that is "being mooched" and who would I be mooching from? Or do you considering having a discussion with other users on the sub "mooching"?

Edit/ There's only 3? /r/askTO /r/lostandfoundTO /r/GTAmarketplace /r/TorontoEvents /r/TorontoBiking /r/TOmaps /r/TOFoodie /r/FoodToronto /r/TOtrees /r/TOdispensaries /r/TorontoArt /r/FishingOntario /r/TorontoCraftBeer /r/TorontoParks /r/TorontoUrbanFishing /r/PokemonGOToronto /r/FrugalTO /r/TorontoDriving /r/TorontoSeniors

[–]lilfunky1 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

You forgot /r/volunteertoronto

[–]okaybudday[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's actually a bunch missing from the list that can easily be seen in the "related subreddits" link no one clicks, but go ahead and prove me right that there's more than 3 you really got me.

[–]tupac_chopra 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also /r/torontorenting

[–]Xert -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's only three: r/askTO, r/GTAmarketplace, and r/lostandfoundTO. The other 47 are niche subreddits with no official bearing on r/Toronto. Which you'd know if you knew what you were bitching about.

Mooching is freeloading: wanting to have a discussion that will inform or benefit you without you having put any effort into that discussion providing any initial benefit for anyone else. If your submission requires the addition of comments before there's any thoughtful contributions then you're a mooch.

[–]okaybudday[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If someone is an active user in a subreddit and they open a discussion to educate themselves (as well as the rest of the subreddit), how is that mooching? If the post they make is in relation to Toronto, how is that mooching? Are they mooching from themselves? Because you're implying they're mooching from the community, but what if they're apart of the community? Or are they mooching off your subreddit?

The problem isn't "my entitlement" to use the subreddit however I please, or whatever the hell it is you're claiming I feel entitled to, the problem is you feel entitled to decide what content is considered mooching from the subreddit. The reality is, the upvote and downvote system is more than enough to decide what the community of /r/Toronto wants to discuss. If you see vote brigading, spam, obvious shit like that, you remove it. Otherwise, the community of /r/Toronto should decide if it's worthy of discussion - not some random group of users tasked with what most companies use an automated filter for.

[–]cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

You think people post on reddit because they want to make other's experience's better?

[–]Xert 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

If left unchecked, absolutely not. Without good moderation reddit quickly devolves to its lowest denominator.

[–]beef-supreme 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a recent addition to the modding team after 6 years of just being a poster on Reddit, I can sadly confirm this.

[–]Xert 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure we can trust the judgment of anyone who's so gullible as to have accepted such a position.