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Sufficiently Advanced Indiegogos are indistinguishable from magic (indiegogo.com)

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[–]danwin 20ポイント21ポイント  (7子コメント)

All readings obtained from the bio-impedance sensor are sent to the app where our proprietary algorithm will calculate your calorie intake and glucose curve, then give you a macro-nutrient breakdown of your food.

The BioRing does not directly measure glucose concentrations in the blood – invasive samples are required for that. Instead, it uses an indirect measurement and compensate for this by utilizing a high quality physiological model and algorithm for calculating the glucose concentration in our cells.

Wow, if Theranos hadn't fucked itself, it surely would have been put out of business by this technological marvel.

[–]zacketysack 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm new to this sub, why do none of the comments in the linked indiegogo dispute these claims of the makers? They are all either positive/encouraging or providing color suggestions. Can the maker delete comments in the Indiegogo page?

It is pretty ridiculous that people think this device is possible, especially without an independently reviewed working prototype.

[–]danwin 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think there's standards for what can be deleted...if a comment contains a vicious personal attack or contains personal/private info, for instance. Otherwise, makers can't willy nilly delete comments. What you're witnessing here may be sample bias: the kind of people who bought into this in the first place are the kind of people who have positive feelings about it (you have to be a backer before commenting)

[–]exclamationmarek 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sure they can delete any comment. The infamous "Triton" campaign was deleting all comments that questioned their authenticity, even in the most polite way, have a look: https://twitter.com/TritonDeleted

[–]danwin 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah, I had seen plenty of criticizing comments that were just left there so I assumed there was something preventing creators from having complete control. Same with futurfon, where the creators seem to have gone the route of spamming their own comments section to push down the negative comments.

[–]exclamationmarek 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

In theory the campaigners are not allowed to remove comments at will. They only have a "mark as spam" option, but they do sometimes abuse it. The futurefon team also deletes some unfavourable comments that clearly aren't "spam" - /r/futurefon had some examples very recently

[–]tylercoder 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if they are the same scammers? I mean both projects are from sweden and they are making insane promises

[–]hchan1 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because you have to buy into the campaign in order to comment. If you're dumb enough to fall for this in the first place, you're not likely to be critical of it.

[–]mastigia 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

That title is almost as amazing as the subject matter.

[–]calantorntain[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was inspired by Terry Pratchett, and his quote of, "sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology."

[–]UtterlyDisposable 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which is, in turn, inspired by Arthur C. Clarke's third law of prediction: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

[–]prpldrank 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dude wtf. This is disturbingly impossible. It has an accelerometer but appears to be thinner than all available accelerometer silicon, let alone board-mounted chips. And this is only one of the obvious impossiblities of the video.

[–]blorg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

(Note* Rings shown in video represent our vision of the product. Actual BioRing may differ slightly.)

[–]SodaAnt 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think most people don't realize that Fitbit et all haven't implemented this bs "bio-impedence" sensor not because they can't, but because they realize it can't actually give you a good read of calorie input.

[–]ack154 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

At this point, I pretty much instantly assume any flexible funding campaign is a scam until proven otherwise.

This one hasn't proven anything to me... but apparently over 800 people $170k believe in this.

[–]ProsperoYouDogYou 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

That lady was literally eating a gallon of Chinese... Eating healthy my ass

[–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's just bulking, bro.

[–]TheAnimus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fascinating that they made the charging base so large.

[–]tylercoder 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is like the 6th total complete concentrated bullshit project I seen thats based on sweden, just what's about that country's law that so many scammers are using it?

Any swedish users here? I know we have a few germans in this sub.

[–]exclamationmarek 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I wouldn't say it's an issue of law. Scam-preventing law is pretty strongly enforced in Sweden.

However, there is a bit of a boom (or maybe "fad") for startups in Sweden now. Between all the talks / events / parties devoted to startups, I guess some people want to be among the cool kids and start something of their own, regardless of their complete lack of understanding of what they are doing. Or maybe some scammers start their scam-campaigns out of pure jealousy of the success of other, legitimate businesses and their "easy money".

I've never seen the people behind the "Triton" scampaign (also from Stockholm) on any startup-oriented event in Stockholm, even though the community is pretty tight. If the BioRing people are also planing to run away with the money, I'm guessing I won't see them either.

[–]tylercoder 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've never seen the people behind the "Triton" scampaign

That's the thing, because they are probably not even in sweden at all

We been having a problem with foreign startups saying they are in america, sweden, germany, etc but they are really in russia, china or korea. While there are a number of legit projects that delivered you also got ones that didn't and then total "scam waiting to happen" cases like this one here.

Point is why they are choosing sweden? maybe is really easy to set up a shell company and a bank account there? I know in the US you have to be physically present to open a bank account but don't know about sweden. If that's the case then I could see why scammers are choosing this location since it makes their paper trail much smaller.

[–]exclamationmarek 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh right, I hadn't thought about it being a fake location or a shell.

I wouldn't know how easy it is to set up a company or bank account in Sweden while being abroad thought I'd guess it is not difficult, most government services are available online. Though on the other hand, a lot of information is public - you can find the income of any registered company online, as well as a lot of personal info, this might be discouraging to scammers.

For the Triton people, I'm sure there were in Stockholm. All three of them could be easily found in public data as registered citizens of Stockholm. I checked the people from BioRing, and it isn't as straight forward. Some of the names here are super generic and return a lot of hits (once I translated first names to their Swedish spelling), some return zero hits. I won't share any links because I don't encourage doxxing.

If they aren't from here, maybe they choose Stockholm because it sounds "safer" than Russia, yet not as obvious as a place in silicon valley? After all, I doubt if Indiegogo requires showing the paperwork for a registered company anyway.

[–]Marya_Clare 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Triton people just own a small storage space beside ikea and conduct their meetings in the food court don't they?

[–]Marya_Clare 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you use the BioRing to look for ghosts? Or does the ring need to be imbued with a certain type of magic first?