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Whenever I start saying the moon landing didn't happen... (self.conspiracy)

Serruptitious1 が 投稿

Never mind. The moon landing totally happened.

Stay chill. ;-)

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[–]Serruptitious1[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

I actually believe people are employed full-time to discredit moon landing critics.

Edit: Keep in mind, this is a conspiracy theory board and we are expected to believe that the mother of all conspiracy theories is so unpopular that people just downvote en masse...

They have no answer and so they just work to silence people.

[–]Trendamony 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The moon landing is a core belief for a lot of people.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You could even say that it is part of what defines America. It's part of what makes us the greatest nation on Earth. We gave the kaiser the old one-two, built the nuke first and won the space race.

Mythology.

[–]NecrosedVales 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Check your formatting before mods remove your post. Rule 6

[–]KlehmM 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Shit I didn't know it was supposedly live, in real time. I'm too uneducated about the moon landing

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ask anyone over 50, they "watched it happen live". That's how come it's true.

[–]NecrosedVales 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

The media at the time did not have a direct feed to the "landing" they had to point their cameras at a screen which had a feed controlled entirely by the government. There is absolutely no legitimate evidence that the moon landings actually happened.

[–]perfect_pickles 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

the streams came from Australia, strongest signal etc.

the moon stage was prob at the Woomera rocket site in Australia, they have massive hangers and buildings there.

Woomera is so isolated and secure that it makes Area 51 and similar look like downtown.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good find, fellow tin foil hat wearer.

I had suspected Nevada.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I did not know that, but it makes total sense.

Journalists reporting verbatim what they were being told by the government with absolutely no effort made to fact-check independently.

[–]NecrosedVales -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

This point is what makes the Moon landing one of the most successful cons of all time. There was very little fact checking. It's not as if Cronkite could hop in a news van and drive to the moon to give us a live report. And most of the "science" that explained it was so theoretical and purposefully confusing that MOST of the media just felt stupid, nodded their head and took their word for it because it was such a great story...a story that most people simply WANTED TO BELIEVE, and still want to believe to this very day.

Unfortunately it is all a lie, and as a result of people buying into the moon landing story, TPTB believe they can get away with any con. They have been using that confidence in their ability to control our perception ever since to milk us dry.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

And there are so few of us who see, we're basically irrelevant. No threat to the system.

[–]NecrosedVales 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't sell the truth short. The truth is always a threat to a liar.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe. But the truth would have to be presented in a way that people think it's their own idea for seeing it.

[–]emilskoda 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://vimeo.com/jetwintzer/moonhoaxnow

[–]IGotKeysKeysKeys 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Didn't happen, 100% hands down no point in even arguing about it. Anyone who is AWAKE will challenge all of their beliefs. They will easily come to this side.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're saying that there is no red pilling those who refuse to take it?

[–]MayoOfTheNaize 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a moon, not a planet.

[–]XXtrumpinatorXX [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

So I'm really curious in this whole moon landing conspiracy theory. I haven't looked into it much, what's the best evidence out there that we didn't go to the moon?

[–]Serruptitious1[S] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

That we haven't gone back with modern technology.

Everything else... they can plant doubt in your mind.

Of all the Trillions of dollars the U.S. government has spent over the last 10 years, we couldn't have sent another rocket to the moon and has our astronauts up there with a GoPro? Think of how many companies would sponsor it.

We're confined to our little rock. And I will leave you with this one piece of advice, look up "van allen belts" when you have the time and the curiosity to do so.

[–]XXtrumpinatorXX [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

But why would we go back? Why not focus our efforts on other planets, like Mars?

There's also the problem of funding. Without the cold war fueled space race, there is less incentive for the government to fund space travel.

I'm also familiar with the Van Allen Belts. I know they are dangerous because of radiation, but the doses of radiation the astronauts experienced was far from lethal. In lower doses, radiation is non-lethal.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The United States' Apollo 11 was the first manned mission to land on the Moon, on 20 July 1969. There have been six manned U.S. landings (between 1969 and 1972) and numerous unmanned landings, with no soft landings happening from 22 August 1976 until 14 December 2013. Moon landing - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landingWikipedia

My poor, poor boy... we did go back, many times.

The question is not why didn't we go back... the question is, why haven't we gone back, lately.

Or perhaps even better, why did we STOP going back?

[–]XXtrumpinatorXX [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I know Apollo 11 wasn't the last trip to the moon, I was answering the question you had about going back with modern technology. The reason is simply that why would we?

There are other places to go, like Mars. Why not focus on sending people to Mars instead of putting them back on the moon?

[–]ancientworldnow 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

At the risk of being accused of being a shill (especially considering I'm posting more than once in this thread, work in film. I've spent summers erasing tapes from an archive so they could be reused back when I was a young intern - plenty of those tapes people didn't even know what was on them because the machines to read them just aren't available anymore. Some formats which were once standard now have only a handful of machines left in the world that can read them so people just ditch the tapes rather than check what's on it. I can absolutely see this happening in a major archive like NASA.

Second, yeah, video acquisition and processing has changed quite a bit, but until the switch to digital tv a decade ago, we were using the same broadcasting tech that very much predated the moon landing stuff. It turns out you just don't need very sophisticated technology to broadcast analog waves. The tech very much existed to be able to broadcast those images if the landing took place.

The reason why a terrestrial broadcast camera had to record the video feed was because we have two standards for broadcast depending on where you are in the world. These are NTSC and PAL which are fairly similar, but have different amount of scan lines, frame rates, etc. The signal coming from the moon was encoded differently from these standards as it had to be more robust under a very limited bandwidth. This means you couldn't just capture the signal and broadcast it to any tv, but had to convert it to PAL or NTSC first. At the time, the most common way of converting PAL to NTSC or vice versa was, you guessed it, playing the video on a PAL or NTSC device and recording it with a device that broadcast in the spec you wanted, a sort of crude telecine. It's totally expected that this is what they would have done with the moon footage.

If you're looking for holes in the landing, it definitely isn't in the technical details of the broadcast aspect of it.

Admittedly, I'm a believer in the moon landing if only for the reason that Russia would have had the world to gain by proving it false (as would be the case today or even by China for that matter). All the energy poured into this conspiracy honestly seems like shills trying to distract people from more prescient and real matters.

[–]NecrosedVales 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can absolutely see this happening in a major archive like NASA.

Funny you should say that, because NASA erased all the original footage of the supposed landings. Oooops.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nasa-tapes-idUSTRE56F5MK20090716

EDIT: and in case you were unaware...TPTB are not all "American". They are everywhere. So to say China or Russia would expose them is nonsense. The space programs of the world have been the excuse for billions if not trillions of dollars in taxation for decades now. Money has been a motive, if not the number one motive, for conspiracy since its creation.

[–]ancientworldnow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know, that was mentioned earlier in the thread which is why I brought it up.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

You are a shill, but that's okay.

That's okay because people don't need to know the truth as much as they need to believe in the lie. The lie is more important than the truth. Even though the lie is a lie, and I hate lying and liars, I know that our world is built upon many lies and many truths.

Maybe it's time for me to reconsider the value of truth.

It's cool that you think that radio waves can pass through massive fields of radio interference, because... it doesn't really matter. Shill on.

I'm not even mad, any more.

[–]ancientworldnow 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Feel free to dig through my post history, but you dismissing me as a shill is no different from someone accepting things at face value. I've presented several facts that counter some of your claims. I didn't even conclusively say everything was real, just that I believed it was and the broadcast ability exists.

EM interference isn't much of a problem in space except during solar storms which are localized and not constantly ongoing. If it was, it means all of Russia's, China's, India's, ESA's, etc space missions beyond geostationary orbit wouldn't work. You can't just wave your hands around and say "radio interference" when you don't even understand what that means and how it works. Conspiracy is about looking at facts and using them to deduce what actually happened. This is the field I work in every day and the facts are broadcasts from the moon absolutely were possible from that time. Take issue with the rest of it, but that part is not the place to look.

EDIT: typo

[–]Serruptitious1[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I stopped caring.

You win.

Masses deceived, human race subdued.

Peace.

What am I supposed to say?

You are telling me that the sky is green.

I reached a point of realization, moments ago... truth is there for those who seek it, but for those who do not wish to find it, it is elusive. You can point right at it and say "SEE, THERE IT IS!" and still someone can say, "I don't see it."

I have come to terms with this. It's okay if people want to remain in the dark. That's their choice to remain chained up inside the cave, watching the shadows dance on the wall.

[–]factsnotfeelings 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Even before I got into conspiracy theories, I never really believed the idea of the Moon landings and pictures like this are part of the reason why.

If that isn't evidence of a spotlight being used, then I don't know what is.

Moon landing hoax is obvious, the only reason why the shills are so desperate to fight anyone who doesn't believe the landings happened is because 'moon landing denial' is a gateway drug to concave earth/flat earth.

It's the exact same thing with evolution, evolution was a joke from the very beginning, but today it is defended vigorously, because if people question evolution then they might question, Germ Theory, medical science, or even the nature of DNA itself.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's all just ideas. All just words.

Life is more than words. More than this struggle to prove something to a person who doesn't want to believe.

Maybe the Earth is flat. Maybe there used to be giant trees. Maybe mythological beings exist. Maybe we are so hellbent on aquiring "knowledge" we forget that the true wonder of life is its mysteries.

I feel that I will sleep well tonight.

[–]factsnotfeelings 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe we are so hellbent on aquiring "knowledge" we forget that the true wonder of life is its mysteries.

This is actually quite profound. Thanks for your response.

[–]DuckmanDrake69 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I still think it happened but that's not to say some of the photos were definitely (poorly) doctored for peculiar reasons which we do bot know.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

How did the radio transmissions stay intact as they passed through enormous fields of intense electromagnetic interference on the way to Earth?

[–]lechango -1ポイント0ポイント  (12子コメント)

I don't think you're getting downvoted by shills. After weighing the evidence for yourself, keep in mind the notion that if the moon landing was real, it was arguably America's greatest achievement. Because of the weight of this "giant leap for mankind", no amount of evidence will ever convince the majority of the population that it was faked. Emotional attachment to an idea or "fact" is a stronger force than logic and reason for most people, it is only when you completely remove all biases and emotion that the real truth can be observed objectively.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (11子コメント)

I would rather believe my conspiracy theory than believe that people are this stupid...

Which means, if I remove my emotional need to believe that I am on a planet of people who are more intelligent than animals, then I can see reasonably that people are this stupid.

My own bias prevents me from seeing this.

[–]lechango -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

That's the thing, people are this stupid. They are brainwashed by propoganda, they want to believe so bad (or rather they don't even question) that we went to the moon, because it was such a significant event.

So yes, you do need to to remove your emotional bias and realize that people do think like this, because they do, it's not shills targetting this thread to downvote, it's simply people who cannot even begin to accept or question the possibility that the moon landing was fake and immediately downvote you.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

people who cannot even begin to accept or question the possibility

Because if they allow themselves to start thinking critically, it all comes undone, and some part of their mind knows this and protects them from this.

[–]lechango 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Exactly, it's just how our brains work.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

My goal is to learn the truth and accept it, no matter how unpleasant or horrific.

I can't think of anything more horrific than the fact that people aren't even in control of their own minds.

It's so sad, it's like being in a world of impostors.

[–]lechango 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes, this is one of the most frightening revelations that come with having an open and skeptical mind. Many people claim to have an open mind, but unless you understand this as we do, you truly don't.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now I'm depressed.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

What do you do with your time, now?

[–]lechango 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't deny that this depresses me as well to see the world and people around me. I continue to search for truth, as that brings gratitude to me, even it is a disgusting truth that others cannot accept, at least I can try and objectively weigh both sides and try to communicate my viewpoints with like-minded people.

What I also try to avoid is knowing anything for sure. For example, I definitely lean towards the moon landing being a hoax, but I can't say for 100% certainty. The only thing I know for certain, is I know nothing for certain. Even our senses can betray us. I don't believe our minds are capable of true understanding, at least not in this plane of reality. I'd like to believe that our consciousness extends beyond this plane though, and higher understanding is eventually achieved through an infinite (as described in this 3 dimensional world) amount of experiences.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I sometimes forget that I have limitations. Perhaps that's what causes me too look down on those with lower limitations than myself.

I wonder if this obsession with higher truth is, then, perhaps a waste of energy.

[–]perfect_pickles 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

it's not shills targeting this thread

there are full time paid NASA shills that parachute in , and/or people who can bill NASA for doing so.

some are young and dumb and barely out of their Minecraft phase. they should have no emotional attachment to the Moon lies.

they argue and are wrong on simple physics. they work from a talking point book.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

barely out of their Minecraft phase

Hah

[–]ermahgerddon -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Then they re-used the historic tape, thus destroying the footage. At least that is what they tell us. I guess they couldn't afford more blank tape.

[–]perfect_pickles 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

hundreds of boxes of tapes, all gone. all the blueprints, all gone.

one laughable thing is the leg spread of the LEM, 20 odd feet according to the Moon photos and the 2/3 scale model at the Smithsonian. (and four foot tall astronauts)

trouble is the official spec sheet for the LEM says 35 feet leg span.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But this guy is an EXPERT in film and he's worked in film 30 years, and he has access to the entire United States arsenal...

ancientworldnow 0 points 9 hours ago At the risk of being accused of being a shill (especially considering I'm posting more than once in this thread, work in film. I've spent summers erasing tapes from an archive so they could be reused back when I was a young intern - plenty of those tapes people didn't even know what was on them because the machines to read them just aren't available anymore. Some formats which were once standard now have only a handful of machines left in the world that can read them so people just ditch the tapes rather than check what's on it. I can absolutely see this happening in a major archive like NASA.

And he says we're wrong. We can't argue with experts. ;-)

[–]Serruptitious1[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is just pathetic.

[–]ermahgerddon 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

" Despite some technical and weather difficulties, ghostly black and white images of the first lunar EVA were received and broadcast to at least 600 million people on Earth.[39] Although copies of this video in broadcast format were saved and are widely available, recordings of the original slow scan source transmission from the lunar surface were accidentally destroyed during routine magnetic tape re-use at NASA."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11

I was a staunch believer until I read that for myself.

[–]gulfstreamg650driver -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

There is pretty much no proof that it happened other than TV broadcast.

Fake moon rocks, deleted blueprints, reclusive astronauts, obvious flaws in the photography, cartoon physics (vertical lunar landing) and the fact that we haven't left low earth orbit in 45 years.

Yeah no way the moon landings happened.

[–]ancientworldnow 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

Fake moon rocks? My brother is a geologist (a path I almost went down) who is currently working on a thesis that involves Apollo rocks (he's literally been making thin slices of some samples over the past few weeks). The morphology is totally different than terrestrial samples. What are the claims that they're fake?

[–]Serruptitious1[S] [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

So this guy is a 30 year expert on film AND his brother is a geologist.

His dad was one of the astronauts that went to the moon, his mom was a scientist who helped in the control room and his uncle was a sailor who helped to retrieve the astronauts.

Very landing.

[–]ancientworldnow [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

No, I just work in film and my brother is a geologist. Wouldn't that be over the top for a shill?

[–]Serruptitious1[S] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Actually, I think it fits right in line.

All of us on here are very well-educated on the moon landing, and I would bet that between a dozen average conspiracy theorists, we know more about the Apollo missions than any one scientist.

So you know you can't beat us in an all-out exchange of facts and information.

Therefore, you make an appeal to the audience (the observers reading this conversation) that they should trust the experts and turn off their own internal voice of reason, as they have been doing their whole lives.

Par for the course. It doesn't even disrupt my breakfast, at this point (Bacon flavored spam, eggs, toast and very rich coffee with tons of sugar).

[–]ancientworldnow [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It's super disappointing to see someone who claims they're pursuing the truth ignore facts when they don't fit your personal narrative. In my eyes, you're no better than those accept the official story at face value. Dismissing information because you think I'm a shill is no different than regular people dismissing information from conspiracy theorists because they're not an official source.

I have some explanations based on my personal (or borrowed my brother's) experiences in two fields. Use it to strengthen your argument instead of just dismissing me because it challenges your narrative. This sub is so frustrating sometimes and I regret trying to help.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's super disappointing

Now you will appeal to the remaining people emotionally, because you're super concerned.

I have been around a long, long, long time. Excuse me, time to drop a deuce in the old porcelain throne.

[–]Serruptitious1[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Cut to the chase:

"I'm done with this conversation, I will not argue with someone who is intent on remaining willfully ignorant wah wah wah. Good day, sir."

[–]gulfstreamg650driver -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ask the Dutch.

[–]zophieash -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html

[–]ancientworldnow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's pretty funny! But, there are plenty of real moon rocks in labs around the world (which is how they were able to tell this one is clearly a fake - something the article mentions any geologist could tell at a glance). And digging a little deeper, the telegraph headline is wrong (and the article unclear), further reading indicates the (fairly large) rock was given by the US ambassador privately to Mr. Drees while there was an official (very tiny) sample given by NASA and the astronauts. Not to champion Wikipedia as a source, but there are plenty of good sources in the reference section of Netherlands Lunar Sample.

Sounds to me like an act of deception, a prank, or an honest mistake from an ambassador acting on his own behalf and not really material for confirming the hoax (when there are plenty of samples in labs that are clearly not terrestrial).

[–]Serruptitious1[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You people are my people, even if we are few.