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Elliot Rodger (self.Incels)

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Disclaimer I am not encouraging murder, I am merely discussing its ethics.

The Morality of Murder

Nature and society are inherently unfair, while attractive males are cherished, given social sexual and employment opportunities, unattractive people are persecuted by being denied these same opportunities. Attractive people have done nothing to earn the privilege they have been granted, they just got lucky and hit the genetic lottery. If society has no obligation to be fair, or just in any manner, then neither do people. Morality and ethics are only necessary in a fair and just world, which is clearly not possible to create, when society bullies ostracizes and degrades an individual because of physical characteristics beyond his control, he is justified in attacking and lashing out against his oppressors. He is the true victim of an evil and uncaring society, those that were murdered by his hands were part of the problem not the solution. They were bystanders who encouraged his persecution, who would have done nothing to help him, so just as he was unfairly persecuted, their lives were unjustly cut short.

But in a society which is innately unjust, neither of these actions were unexpected, or surprising in any way, since society is fucked up, it created fucked up individuals, just as the victim's bullies who destroyed his life, remain unprosecuted, the societal victim should not be prosecuted either.

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[–]PorgiAmorVagina-Possessing Overlord 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Morality and ethics are only necessary in a fair and just world

Whoa there, that's quite a leap of (il)logic.

I'd say the opposite: morality and ethics are necessary BECAUSE the world is unjust, in an effort to mitigate inherent injustices.

[–]Angryman411[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

It will make no difference to incels, whether they are upstanding gentlemen or go ER, society will always treat them like dirt. Morality and ethics do not make the world any more fairer for incel types. When the world refuses to treat incels fairly and deprives us of the opportunity to lead life as we wish, we should be allowed to do the same.

[–]PorgiAmorVagina-Possessing Overlord 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Morality and ethics do not make the world any more fairer for incel types.

Sure they do. Laws keep random strangers from mugging you, murdering you, or beating you up.

[–]BananaBeem“I was born with glass bones and paper skin.” 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not fairer for incel types.

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    [–]Angryman411[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It is not about sex itself, it is the opportunity to have relationships sex and to be treated fairly and humanely. Unattractive men are clearly not treated this way by society, and are unfairly oppressed. Therefore they have no personal responsibility to be moral, since the world has failed them.

    [–]HallucinatesTigers 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Poiting out the unfairness in the world doesn't alleviate you of the consequences nor the responsibility of committing murder.

    [–]Angryman411[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    As I said there is no personal obligation to be moral in an unfair world. A victim of society is justified in lashing out, since there is no help or hope for him.

    [–]HallucinatesTigers 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    But you're not justified, those people have a right to live as much as you or your parents or anyone else in the world. Life sucks for me and a lot of people, and you probably understand that more than most people. But trying to make up for the unfairness in your life by adding more unfairness to world isn't right though, there's no justice.

    [–]WeAreZeroEven whores die. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And we have a right to kill people just as much as they have a right to make our lives hell.

    [–]Angryman411[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It is not right that we are being oppressed and there is no justice for us, there is no need for morality in an unfair world, it only seeks to oppress us and keep us in our miserable situations with no way out. At least if physician assisted suicide were legal, most of us would opt out to go peacefully, but society and the government forces us to suffer, they deserve to suffer the same way.

    [–]RobotNineThousandOneEver have I been nothing and nothing I shall remain 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's like any class conflict. The rules of society are designed to favor those at the top over those at the bottom. Their entire purpose is to keep the status quo in place.