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[–]dontdothisplease69 25ポイント26ポイント  (24子コメント)

Congrats to the actual, real life fascists in this thread defending this horrible garbage btw

[–]owen_birch 12ポイント13ポイント  (22子コメント)

And downvoting any anti-fascist opinions en masse, I see.

[–]dontdothisplease69 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

The number of people engaging in apologia for Nazis itt is a fucking nightmare. What happened to this city. Are techies really that predisposed to fascism?

[–]owen_birch 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, I guarantee that this thread is being brigaded by whatever dank hole they hide out in. "Hey, someone over here said something bad about fascists! Get 'em!"

And I'm endlessly amused by the logic of "by calling us nazis assholes, you've proven yourself to be the real fascist."

[–]CrunkJipRenton/Highlands -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really? You're going to haul the 'tech people are ruining Seattle' argument into this as well?

[–]FuriousCoder74[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Saw this at the bus stop at I90 & Rainier. Not taking a stance, just posting that it's there for discussion.

[–]tautologo 45ポイント46ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uh, I'll take a stance against racist fascist bullshit.

[–]lil_vega 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not taking a stance when bigotry is on display is taking the stance that you tacitly condone bigotry.

[–]dontdothisplease69 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

How can you not take a stance against fascism and racism? You can't be fucking neutral on a moving train, dude.

[–]FuriousCoder74[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

sigh

This poster is so overloaded. Am I siding with fascism? Am I siding with anarchists? Do I think it's okay for one group to poster but not another? Is it okay to condone free speech for one group by not another?

That's why I'm not taking a stance. It's too complicated for a simplistic statement.

[–]lomarcon 18ポイント19ポイント  (10子コメント)

This group may very well be labeled a white supremacist group. However the phrase in the article, "Their propaganda is sometimes coded in strange symbology that doesn't seem outright racist or fascist at first, but can be easily seen if you know what to look for." is the bread and butter of a professional victim. It's too much like the Sarkesian mind set that "Everything is sexist and racist" to be taken seriously. Also battling a group you've labeled as fascist by censoring their opinion everywhere you see it is so ironic that I had to take a nap.

[–]owen_birch 45ポイント46ポイント  (0子コメント)

but can be easily seen if you know what to look for."

For example, if they talk about "professional victims" and are inordinately fixated on Anita Sarkeesian.

[–]gshenckU District 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

These groups are outright neonazis, and the quote you take is not at all a 'professional victim' mindset. The third group, for instance, 'The Right Stuff', frequently uses '1488' as a hashtag in their twitter feed and on their site. If you 'don't know what to look for' as the article says, you'd skip right over that word. When you google 1488, though, you'll realize that that sequence of numbers is a neo-nazi code word basically referring to the '14 words' (a neo-nazi slogan) and 'heil hitler' (h being the 8th letter of the alphabet).

[–]StumbleOnRainier Valley 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

DAE dogwhistle politics don't real tho

[–]Tangled2 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sarkesian

Huh?

[–]ColonelError -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anita Sarkeesian, professional feminist.

[–]CalvinMcManusSeattle Expatriate 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

AR will vote from the rooftops

Bullshit. This is either a lie on the antifa/PSA crowd's part, which wouldn't be at all unusual, or it's a false flag. AmRen is run by Jared Taylor, who's about as milquetoast as that crowd gets. Their whole thing is a genteel mainstreaming of white identity politics and they're vigorously opposed to this sort of rhetoric. Taylor actually gets shit from his "own people" for being so nonconfrontational and for his explicit rejection of antisemitism and anything that could be construed as white supremacism. Not that it stops his critics from labeling him as both anyway.

It makes me question the whole thing.

[–]Evan_Th 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

AR will vote from the rooftops.

Hey, if they want to climb up to rooftops before filling out their mail-in ballots, I don't see any problems with that...

[–]ezrawang -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

AR means alt-right boi. These antifa are just dopes

[–]CalvinMcManusSeattle Expatriate -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a much more likely explanation; Hanlon's Razor and the such.

[–]TimTheInsaneLynnwood 4ポイント5ポイント  (31子コメント)

Counter-propaganda is still propaganda. Whoever wrote this needs to understand that calling everything "Fascist" is no different than what earlier generations did by calling everything "Communist." White Nationalism isn't Fascism. It's not even racist in all cases. However, it does show an irrational focus on unimportant differences that generate needless social schisms.

I know I'm going to get down voted into oblivion for this, but the anti-white sentiment that's lodged itself in mainstream liberal politics is why these type of racial segregation groups resurfaced. They're only going to get more attention and traction if "warnings" like this one keep using hyperbole and inaccurate labels to fear-monger.

[–]dontdothisplease69 21ポイント22ポイント  (15子コメント)

White Nationalism isn't Fascism. It's not even racist in all cases.

YOU SAID THIS AND YOU'RE UPVOTED. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS SUBREDDIT

[–]poopinavortexer 9ポイント10ポイント  (11子コメント)

The Seattle reddit, thankfully, doesn't reflect Seattle as a whole. It does amplify the shitty racist parts, however.

[–]dontdothisplease69 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

I just, holy shit, the amount of ~reasonable~ racists here is absolutely fucking shocking.

[–]TheBatmanToMyBruce 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's been growing over the last few years. I'm tempted to blame it on the fact that subscribers here are overwhelmingly tech workers, and overwhelmingly transplants from places where a little light racism isn't considered unusual.

Edit: And also that people see racist shit like this and just stop coming here, further concentrating the racists and nutjobs.

[–]_____KITTY_____ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

subscribers here are also overwhelmingly redditors, and if you haven't noticed, reddit has a bit of a racism problem. the changes you're talking about could be attributed to an influx of tech workers that are also redditors, but I think it's unfair to attribute it to tech in general. I'm in tech and many of my coworkers are kind, educated, reasonable people that understand social justice. (granted, anecdotes ≠ data.)

I feel like we probably agree on this, but I wanted to clarify

[–]dontdothisplease69 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a dangerous place for a history professor, apparently

[–]CrunkJipRenton/Highlands 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My experience with the Seattle Reddit is that people are continually shocked and offended by opinions different from their own. Whether it is racism or the homeless problem, people honestly appear shocked that others disagree with their world view.

[–]lil_vega 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ignorant sheltered defensive white folk.

[–]CrunkJipRenton/Highlands 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for reminding us that racism exists across the political spectrum.

[–]TimTheInsaneLynnwood 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's more motivations for racial segregation than racism. Granted, those motivations aren't any better, but racism is a specific attitude with hatred as the motivator. Wanting to preserve ones own culture doesn't necessarily qualify as racism. It does qualify as self important and unrealistic, though. Which should be considered as wrong, also.

Calling every sickness the flu doesn't help get the right medication for the problem.

[–]owen_birch 7ポイント8ポイント  (11子コメント)

You mean "hyperbole" and "inaccurate labels" like "anti-white sentiment" and blaming everything on "mainstream liberal politics?" You know your code words don't fool anyone anymore, right?

[–]TimTheInsaneLynnwood 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

No, I mean I mean hyperbole like calling a group "Fascist" when:

  1. The entire movement only slightly resembles a fractional part of Fascism as a whole.

  2. Is used as a scare tactic to drive people away from ideas that countermand a narrative.

I didn't blame everything on liberal politics. If you were even paying the slightest bit of attention to what I said, I was specifically addressing the attitude of anti-white bias that is increasingly prevalent inside mainstream liberalism. I didn't even say it was to blame for the resurgence of pro-white groups.

It's the idea that the color of your skin is somehow worthy of penalty. Yes, many of the mainstream liberals are guilty of race-baiting. That's why I said the idea has invaded liberalism, not that liberalism is inherently racist.

You'll do yourself a lot of good by not putting words in peoples mouths, dude.

[–]owen_birch 14ポイント15ポイント  (9子コメント)

"Pro-white?" Thanks for clueing me in to the latest racist code word, dude.

[–]TimTheInsaneLynnwood -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

You sound like Alex Jones if someone dropped a BuzzFeed server on his head.

[–]owen_birch 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

If I ever figure out what the fuck that's supposed to mean I'll be sure and take offense.

[–]theluckyshrimpCentral Area 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Your comment is so full of sophistry I don't know where to begin. First, the comparison between communism (and anti-communism) and fascism (and anti-fascism) is ridiculous. Fascism has multiple, competing definitions, so describing disparate groups as fascistic is not, of itself, inaccurate. Communism has an agreed upon definition that is different from socialism, Marxism, Leninism, Marxism-Leninism, Stalinism, etc. and the conflation of these was purposely misleading for political ends. Furthermore, while communism is of debatable utility and has certainly been used as the basis for oppression, it is, broadly speaking, amoral. Fascism is evil. By any definition it is tyrannical, bigoted, and immoral. It has no more place in modern civilization than slavery or torture and should not be dignified by the pretense that it deserves debate. It is a fatal parasite on democracy.

I'm morbidly fascinated to hear a possible explanation of white nationalism as "not racist."

I'm also of the opinion that the vast majority of what you call "anti-white sentiment" is, in fact, anti-white supremacy sentiment, and both justified and laudable. The assertion that it is responsible for increased hate-group activity is specious.

[–]TimTheInsaneLynnwood -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

You misunderstood just about everything in my comment.

Firstly,

by definition tyrannical, bigoted and immoral.

That is not even close to the actual definition. That's the kind of definition you would get from a 5 year old if you asked them for the symptoms of chicken pox. You got 'tyrannical' right, but 'bigoted' is technically a commentary on how people perceive it; and 'immoral' is an even more subjective word. You would fail a proper political science test.

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

And that's only the cliffnote version that Google gives. Not even close to what you said.

Secondly, the comparison between Communism and Fascism was a comment on propagandized usage. If you wanted to defame someone back in the day, you pulled out the Red Scare card. 'Fascism' is being used the same way here; as a scare word. Inaccurately used to demonize an opposing philosophy or faction.

White Supremacy isn't Fascism. It could be an element of a Facsist regime, but by itself, it is not Facsism and should not be described as such.

White advocacy is also not white supremacy. If you find the rise of these groups so completely disconnected from the idea of "white males are oppressors" idea that's gotten so popular lately, you have not one single clue how social dynamics change. Even if I was on your side, I would still expect individuals that meet a certain description to band together in support of each other. That's a historically observable occurrence. That's why the Italian and Irish mobs formed. That's why the Black Panthers and #BlackLivesMatter formed. It's not that hard to grasp.

[–]Snickersthecat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I moved to Seattle partly to escape fascist idiots like this.

[–]RetardedSeattleiteRavenna -2ポイント-1ポイント  (16子コメント)

If this Antifa group is the same group that beat the shit out of a bunch of Nazi's in Sacramento earlier this year, then they are also assholes.

[–]dontdothisplease69 4ポイント5ポイント  (15子コメント)

Beating Nazis up is a good thing, sorry about you being fash apologist, dude

[–]RetardedSeattleiteRavenna 0ポイント1ポイント  (14子コメント)

Nazi's, just like BLM, or any organization. Have the right to peacefully assemble in public without being beat the shit out of and being in fear for their lives. It's called the first amendment and is a crucial pillar of our society. Although Nazi's are despicable, them being able to assemble in public is an important litmus test for our freedoms. You are wrong and your mindset contributes to the gradual erosion of our rights. It is sad how ignorant, self-righteous, and certain you are.

But it's okay cuz hating Nazis feels good. Amirite bro?

[–]stupernan1 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

the 1st amendment protects you from the governments reaction, not other people.

though you would know that, if you knew any of the amendments past #1 and #2

[–]owen_birch 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nazi's, just like BLM

And we're done.

[–]RetardedSeattleiteRavenna -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was just listing examples. Did not mean to equate BLM with Nazis. But I can understand why you are so sensitive

[–]owen_birch 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can understand why you are so sensitive

Oh, this should be good...

[–]RetardedSeattleiteRavenna -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well it could have been misconstrued that I was saying the black lives matter was the same thing as the KKK. And I just wanted to clarify that isn't what I meant.

[–]frostus_wxWest Seattle -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pot, meet kettle.

[–]seethruyou -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just free advertising for those groups.

[–]inactive_shooter -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Protect our heritage" - "You are not alone"

Wow, so fascist.

[–]stupernan1 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

what do you infer they mean by those two sayings?

[–]dontdothisplease69 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

"anti-white propaganda" ie recognizing non white people exist