My problem with Fallout 4's beginning.

Scholt78 · 2時間前

That kind of intro would have been freaking amazing! I had no problem with the actual beginning, but I thought it was kind of weird how you just instantly get power armor and a minigun for free.

iMogwai · 2時間前

I think Fallout 4 had the same problem as Fallout 3, they introduce you to a character and then almost immediately separate you from them and expect you to care enough to go chasing after them merely because they're related to your character.

I get that they want to throw you into the open world as soon as possible, that's fair enough, but in that case maybe they should go for a less dramatic opening to the main quest. Let the main quest get exciting when the player gets into it, because if you're told your son has been kidnapped and then you run off to do pretty much everything but search for him, well, it's silly and kind of immersion breaking.

SmallBirb · 2時間前

Because FO4 completely stripped the 'RPG' part of the game down to "Do this quest or don't do it." The only big decision you make that actually affects gameplay is what big faction you side with. Thanks Bethesda.

Robcofounder · 2時間前

I feel like Bethesda whole attitude for this game was, "here is a story, play it or mods will fix it"

But you know, "it just works"

Philip_Raven · 2時間前

I agree that pacing is little wonky with this game..altho you can easily ignore minutemen for the whole playthrough.. Is kinda silly to give you a power armour in first 30 minutes of the game and give you way to brute force your way to any dungeon while severely underleveled

Story is kinda interesting for the first time, then it's just...meh

Shadowroxas · 2時間前

Reading that got me excited for a game we don't have. Don't get me wrong I love 4 for what it is, but damn that would have been a better opening. Personally, I could totally see Piper being the one buying you and having some dialog exchanges about it later in the game that still suit her character.

leondrias · 17分前

You've got a nice idea for an alternate opening, but I think the big issues with it are that (A) it would be even longer than the current intro (at least with the Minuteman quest you have the option to just ignore Concord entirely and go straight to Diamond City), (B) it would require a completely different plotline that ties the slavers in somehow (how did they get access to Vault 111? how does this tie into the Institute?), and (C) it would honestly be a little too much like the Skyrim opening with the whole forced-cutscene you're-a-prisoner-now thing.

That said, with some tweaks I'd actually be really excited to see something like that in a future Fallout game.

gebruiker02 · 1時間前

That's why I really like New Vegas (here we go again..).

You wake up and after leaving the doc's house you already got freedom and choices. You poke arround in town to get some answers, get a nice tutorial quest to get you started. Already in this tutorial quest you can encounter a the dude that tries to lure you into a trap. Then back in the town you get another bunch of options when a powder ganger appears at the bar.

Having that said, Fallout 4 plays really amazing in the beginning. I really loved it, even though not having much choices. The story actually starts really nice, they could't had done it better. Until the point OP mention where he reach Preston and basically is forced into linear path.

rafmanbegins · 1時間前

You know what? I'd actually love to make a mod with this sort of premise, maybe this could follow a new protag.

I have no clue on how to mod however, I am a Copywriter by trade and could easily come up with an engaging story with interesting characters that remains lore friendly.

dewainarfalas · 1時間前

Now i need that kind of mod to play this game ever again.

arsrx · 54分前

my problem with the beginning is it's unskipable lol

TheOriginalGarry · 21分前

Something a lot of people seem to forget is that you could simply walk away. That's you saying no (though sometimes that doesn't work!). You could branch out and go directly to Vault 114 after coming out of Vault 111 and the main quest will progress just fine. You could reject helping Preston while avoiding Power Armor and avoid a fight with a Deathclaw. Being able to side with the raiders would've been nice, however. I think why this isn't an option is because Preston's Minute Men can be used as an end game faction to side with, though Bethesda shouldn't be afraid about blocking players based on what they do in game.

I also like to think there's two reasons we get PA so early. In Fallout 3, you could spend days playing the game and not be anywhere near being able to wear power armor because it used to be only obtainable by following the main quest (until Operation Anchorage came out of course). There is a glitch in the way a section of DC is made, however, letting you walk off map and through the DC ruins entirety and giving you access to the Citadel very early on. It doesn't even alter the main quest if you do it right. Or you could just go directly to Vault 112 after starting the game and continuing on from there.

In New Vegas, you had to go through and complete a very long and tedious quest to even join the Brotherhood, involving going everywhere across the Mojave, back to base, then back out many times, and then traveling up a very dangerous mountain full of Nightkin and Super Mutants to be given the actual perk to use power armor. There's no way to really skip doing the quests, just shorten one section of it. By the time you're actually able to get power armor training, you're essentially a god among men with nothing but a swarm of high level enemies able to kill you.

You'd be able to do a quest for Arcade Gannon in New Vegas to get power armor training as well, but getting access to the quest requires you to be late in the main quest and have gained Arcade's favor.

It's always been a grind to get and use Power Armor. I feel by going through and just getting it early on, Bethesda negates the grind and follows the original games a bit closer, where you never needed a special perk to be able to wear power armor. Hell, in Fallout 2, you could leave after the tutorial and immediately go get one of the best power armors in the game if you knew where to go.

All I really have to say about the beginning is that your idea is cool, though either the checks done would leave the other slavers to simply kill you instead. I think it might have been cool if the entire section between the time you get frozen and the time you wake up for the second time was cut and moved to different parts in the story, where you piece together and interpret what happened to your spouse and child. You could have an effect on the story and your character and Beth could have kept their story largely intact.

GoonFromGoonsville · 2時間前

Aww man reading this post makes me upset that we didn't get something like this in the actual game, but instead we got mediocre.

Stalgrim · 1時間前

Which is why I love NV so much, the opening actually gives you some feeling of wanting to accomplish a goal. Find the people who tried to kill you, get your chip back and then make actual choices. It's the classic DM play from DnD, you take a players items and they'll go through hell to get what's perceived to be theirs back. It's the difference between WANTING to do something and HAVING to, because it's in your quest log. A great game makes you want to accomplish the goals the developers have set.

I feel this is a problem of story writers coming from a literary background and not a video game/interactive entertainment one. You can't just expect me to play your game because you wrote your story, I want to play a game because I want to play a game, not read a book. If I wanted to read a book I'd read a book. I've already invested my money in your product, but you have to make me want to invest my time in it, which is really, in my opinion, much harder. There's a continuing investment there.

Edit: One more thing, in a video game, unless it's done AMAZINGLY WELL I feel the story is just a tie that binds the gameplay together and helps move the player forward, it's not an end in itself, it's a means to an end. That's something I think doesn't translate well to the video game format, story telling. Sure there's a lot of emotion in the first 5-10 minutes of Fallout 4, but that would be probably a chapter in a story that would probably take an hour to go through, not the 10 minutes I wait to just get into the actual game.

Catatafish · 37分前

Just get Fallout Frost and you don't have worry about any of this. Takes place in 2081. 5 years after RIP-Day.

Upvote_I_will · 17分前

I would like some more choices at the start (the whole game actually), but this scenaro would look too much like skyrim for me. Pacing is indeed way off, they should have put an option in game to let preston get to sanctuary and they should skip the powerarmor/deathclaw part.

wet_flaps · 14分前

This is why New Vegas has so much replayability for me. 4 locks you in from the start, and no matter how you want to play it, you end up with the same character – it's not an RPG, but has the guise of one.

tarnishedkara · 52分前

Well let me ask you this. You ask what the point of it is? Where is the decision making? So I ask what is the point of the slavers beginning?

You get woken up by them, they attempt to enslave you, you free yourself. Then what? You go about the game as normal? All youre basically doing is changing the first hour? of the game from going from the vault to concord to diamond city, to going from the vault to a slaver camp to diamond city, with a little s.p.e.c.i.a.l thrown in.

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