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[–]HerEyesOnTheHorizon 694ポイント695ポイント  (376子コメント)

What would happen if they found out that Bernie infact won?

[–]TingleBeareez 1172ポイント1173ポイント  (279子コメント)

They'll say "whoops didn't know you couldn't do that." and get off.

[–]deathsnuggle 262ポイント263ポイント  (23子コメント)

[–]Nutritionisawesome 105ポイント106ポイント  (21子コメント)

Ive talked myself out of 3 tickets by being extremely polite and saying this.

[–]MrJuwi 22ポイント23ポイント  (6子コメント)

I thought I was going to get a ticket for speeding but when I rolled the window down, my wiener dog licked the state troopers face and he thought it was way too cute and kept petting her and complimenting her.

[–]smutblocker 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Are you black by any chance?

[–]SplashingBlumpkinz 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm pretty sure that if they are black it's because of genetics, not chance.

[–]rosyatrandom 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow! There's so many of you voted for Bernie!

[–]PlumRugofDoom 67ポイント68ポイント  (210子コメント)

People will say "Hillary is still better than Trump"

not that I agree with them

[–]sheasie 71ポイント72ポイント  (181子コメント)

people will parrot anything CNN shouts at them

#voteGREEN #SteinBaraka :)

[–]memeslayer10 45ポイント46ポイント  (46子コメント)

Jill stein has no basic understanding of how economics work lol

[–]pinkbutterfly1 61ポイント62ポイント  (22子コメント)

Johnson doesn't either.

[–]keptfloatin707 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

welp that means Welpwere and Fucked will be president/vice president 2016

[–]the_friendly_dildo 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

She has a lot of great ideas, but she is entirely inexperienced in public policy making. I hate that situation to be true but it simply is. I may still vote for her for the same reasons people will vote for Trump and Johnson, because its a vote for something different. My main concern is that suppose she does win, she could turn out to be another Carter, where she is inexperienced and so then surrounds herself with knowledgeable people that just run roughshod over her with their own agendas, making for a roughly run administration.

Regardless, I'd rather not vote for a presidential candidate at all than vote for Clinton. Voting for Clinton is a vote for:

  • too big to fail banking practices that hurt everyone in the middle class and below

  • more government secured duopolies (verizon / ATT -- Comcast / Time Warner -- etc)

  • little interest in helping middle class and impoverished people in any meaningful way beyond staying the course

  • lots of interest in wasting our tax dollars to systematically destroy numerous middle eastern countries for various reasons

  • lots of interest in stirring up shit with Russia and possibly WW3

[–]TheUltimateSalesman 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

And that's why a vote for someone you LIKE is better than a vote for someone that's just the same old same old. Carter might not have been the best, but he wanted to get off oil. That would have saved us trillions in the future. His heart was in the right place.

[–]nats15 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

This saddens me deeply. As a lifelong Green Party voter, Jill Stein is a disappointment. This was the year a 3rd party could make major headway and maybe rack up enough votes to be relevant in the 2020.

Sadly we have a turd sandwich or a douche nozzle left as our choices.

[–]spodathumper 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excellent use of douche nozzle, good description of our current predicament too. Best of luck fellow American.

[–]2mnykitehs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It really is disappointing. Ideologically, I align most with Stein, but I really don't think she'd make a good president. I respect her as an activist, but I think she makes a horrible politician and I don't really see her getting anything done in Washington.

[–]Rshrt 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stein supports Trump anyway. Even she realises the danger Hillary poses.

[–]Maybe_Im_Jesus 40ポイント41ポイント  (23子コメント)

Anyone who thinks picking the lesser of two evils as president is in fact, out of their fucking minds. How about no evil?! How about that you brainwashed fucks?! Our country is complacent and filled with morons. Idiocrasy was a comedy but it'll be a horror show IRL. Vote third party, write in candidates in states that count them, or. Don't. Vote. At. All.

[–]Vague_Disclosure 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've been telling my friends to vote third party ever since the dems cheated Bernie. Usually phrase it by saying that's its their vote, if they hate both candidates don't fucking vote for them. Vote for someone you like regardless of their chances of winning. A vote is never wasted if it's a vote towards who you truly believe to be the best candidate.

[–]cookeditgood 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

There is no 'no evil' choice on the ballot imo. Who are you referring to?

[–]The_Bartlet 0ポイント1ポイント  (15子コメント)

Lol someone is always going to whine a out how they dont like the choices. No matter what some people will have to chose between the lesser of evils in their opinion. And don't be absurd voting is your right, regardless of who you chose put your critical thinking cap on and decide who you would be the least upset with based on policy or based on astrological sign or whatever. Get out and vote.

[–]Maybe_Im_Jesus 14ポイント15ポイント  (13子コメント)

No. You get out and continue your embarrassing facade. I'll bitch about it for the next four years with my hands clean. Think it's irresponsible? I think this election is. Think my opinion won't matter? The constitution begs to differ.

[–]MrJebbers 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

How about you join a group that is organizing outside of the electoral system? There are people trying to change the system, and you could actually be a part of that change rather than just bitching about how you want things to be different.

[–]ZorglubDK 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Objectively she is, quite a bit too.

Personally I blame the DNC, rest of the political system and the media much more for rigging the primaries...but that being said, she's far from an ideal candidate, very far, and the US should be deeply embarrassed by having a system that forces them to pick the lesser of two evils and systemically encourages trench digging, mud slinging and straight up hate across party lines; infecting and corrupting people and their interactions from common folk, politics and all the way up through the judicial system.
For shame.

[–]letsgetphysical_ 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

She's not "far from an ideal candidate". She's a BAD candidate. She represents everything bad about the global political economy of neoliberalism. Also she is a bad person. Very bad.

[–]bickspickle 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is what disturbs me about this election. People are trying to justify supporting her because she is the lesser of two evils, or she is better than Trump. Bullshit. She is an absolutely disgusting human being. And in regards to being the lesser of two evils, it is like trying to decide between having constipation or diarrhea.

What is really puzzling to me is if you took one of the two out of the race, the other would stand no chance against a real opponent. Hillary vs Cruz? Cruz wins. Trump against Sanders? Sanders wins.

There is no way it came down to these two horrible options without something being rigged.

[–]hhamama66 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

Remember that stupid laugh that Hillary gave Donald when he mentioned that she rigged the primary against Bernie?

[–]ELI_DRUNK 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's too late to get him on the ballots anyway as early voting has already begun. But I can still write him in like I was planning to anyway, so this doesn't affect me one way or the other.

[–]X90210 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

She thought when it said Bernie was the winner, that meant he lost.

[–]thug_life4 3ポイント4ポイント  (20子コメント)

Idk how any Bernie supporters could vote for her.

[–]Zebulon_V 11ポイント12ポイント  (15子コメント)

I was a pretty big Bernie supporter and I can't vote for her. I definitely can't vote for Trump, so that leaves a couple of options. Write in a protest vote, or vote for Johnson or Stein. I've chosen to vote for Johnson, not because I agree with all of his platform, but because he's a decent human being with executive experience and voting for him will at least (maybe) show that Americans would like a third party option. The problem is that I get ridiculed by my friends from the left and the right for voting Bernie in the primaries and Johnson in the general. Also, every freaking news article I read keeps telling me how moronic it is to go from Bernie to Johnson. I KNOW they're at opposite ends of the political spectrum. I just can't vote for the top two. I thin more people would do what I'm doing if it wasn't just asking for ridicule.

[–]Rasalom 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

Why not vote for Stein??

[–]Zebulon_V 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not opposed to the Green Party per se, I just don't really see her as a viable candidate for president. She's never been in elected office. If nothing else, the learning curve would be pretty insurmountable, going from only ever having balanced your personal finances and dealing with neighborhood politics to being the de facto leader of the Western world.

[–]Rasalom 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

These days, political experience is a negative.

[–]thug_life4 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well yeah bc our politicians are inept and incompetent

[–]threwahway 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

What a phony. Theres no way you were ever a big supporter of Bernie Sanders if you switched to the fake libertarian aka Republican Gary Johnson.

[–]Vague_Disclosure 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well now you know, go on get out here!

[–]Zooshooter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fun Fact: The GOP and Democratic parties don't have to put forth whoever wins the popular vote as their nominees. They're private parties and can put forward whoever they want to. There's no rule saying they can't do what they've done.

[–]gappymakesmehappy 216ポイント217ポイント  (11子コメント)

The FBI would investigate, and find there was "no intention" of course.

[–]Kittenwithbeer 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Comey handed out immunity like it was candy!

[–]BigWolfUK 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

His Idol is obviously Oprah

You get immunity!

You get immunity!

You get immunity!

Everyone gets immunity!

[–]wipeout4wh 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

What? You're telling me you've never accidentally rigged an election?

[–]rootyb 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Do you have evidence that somebody said out loud that they wanted to rig the election?"

"Uh, that's why we're asking for the recor..."

"Yeah, sorry. You need proof before we can give you access to any evidence."

[–]ohlawdwhat 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

they'll bring up some new Trump/Clinton II scandal to distract everyone from the imminent political realities facing the US - just the same as they're doing already. it's how the scam works, you keep everyone fighting over something that doesn't matter (like "clinton II vs. her own donor and long-time family friend Trump") so that they don't focus on things that actually do matter.

[–]gobluthmagician 52ポイント53ポイント  (0子コメント)

Blame it on the russians

[–]ueeediot 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

The DNC doesnt care. Primaries are not elections. Primaries are a private entity, in this case Democrat party, selecting which candidate they wish to represent them in the presidential election. The only reason they even have the primary voting system is to provide an illusion that 'the people' chose. In fact, they dont have to do these Primaries or even follow the results if they dont want to. They can change party rules, at will, and select whomever they please.

[–]rkk2 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you mean if he wins the suit?

Here's the complaint which has the prayer for relief (what they are asking for).

Here's another court document (memorandum opposing a motion to dismiss).

The problem is the exit polls don't count the actual votes. So, even if they win this suit, get the polling data, and they are way off I'm not sure where you go from there. They are suing the company, not anyone who actually conducted the elections. So, some people will say they are just a terrible polling company where the sentiment here will probably be that they purposely fudged their data.

There might be something I'm missing but even if they win the suit it won't change anything. Even more so because this data is already available, but you have to pay a fee for it. They are suing to not have to pay a fee because 1) they believe EMR is intertwined enough with a governmental process to be considered a state actor and 2) as a state actor they violated Johnson's 14th and 1st Amendment rights by denying access of public information (reflected in the memorandum opposing the motion to dismiss).

I think it would be a win for the democratic process moving forward but not significant for Bernie. Oddly enough, strict constructionalist or originalists would, or at least should, disagree with Johnson's suit which lends credence to the idea that most people are outcome determinative when it comes to Constitutional law (not that I'm completely free of bias either).

[–]Jobe111 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

We'll march on Washington DC and get the biggest Youtuber's to livestream it with their fancy FPV drones to get the support of the entire world.

cue Braveheart speech

edit: grammar headsup

[–]Zoidberg444 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

He'll commit suicide by shooting himself twice in the head or crush his own throat doing bench press in the gym.

[–]Cgn38 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Real revolution? Everyone involved with government at any level forbidden to participate for life?

Worked for the confederacy.

[–]godiebiel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Blame Russia or terrorists

[–]Blubalz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nothing because all the delegates aren't technically bound to voting with the popular vote. Superdelegates have the option to vote for whoever they want.

[–]funktopus 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nothing. It's a DNC thing not a national election. They could have a primary the pull someone not on the ballot and it's legal. At most people realize this year primary was shit and next primary could be shit as well. They lost confidence in the primaries this year for sure.

It's why the RNC kept having meetings about Trump they didn't want him and we're looking for a way out and save face.

Primaries are not real elections it's just each club playing at an election. Not Federal.

[–]Cgn38 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dude, seriously. Just because it is not illegal to cheat does not mean its fine and dandy the idea that people should just accept that open in your face dishonest fuckery with a side of armed thugs at the convention is just part of any normal group. Just no. Fucking chinese and dogs are better.

I have voted Democratic most of my adult life. Republicans have been a corporate owned party for my whole life. I find that every single part of their platform is a corporate written profit grab is odious.

But suddenly Democratic party no longer even puts respectable facade on the fixes they do. Yea everyone expects some questionable BACKROOM behavior. This shit is just ham handed fascism with a side of Social justice weirdness. The party is not what it's creating documents say it is, it is a lie, so fuck them. I am done with them and I suspect millions like me. This is a death knell.

This was the the most retarded political move in history and that is just such a huge statement if you think about it.

They killed the party by making a peaceful takeover impossible.

[–]funktopus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never said it was fine and dandy. I just said there isn't much that will happen. The DNC poisoned the well of young voters this year. It will come back to bite them. This shit was set up in 08 when Obama whupped her ass. Deals were made, she was supposed to walk into the nomination. No one thought Bernie would blow up like he did.

That and the victory fund bullshit. That money was supposed to help down ballot folks not her dumb ass. Yet here we are.

I was just saying not much will happen. Next election cycle will be interesting to watch. With people not getting excited about incumbent presidents and the wealth of info that can be used against her. If Trump can't pull it off things will interesting.

[–]gaslightproject 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

look what's happening when they find out that Donald Trump might, in fact, win?

They would do anything_

[–]keptfloatin707 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

same thing that happened when bush " won " in 2000

  • anyone else disappointment that the article is only a paragraph long?

[–]paracelsus23 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not a damn thing. Super delegates are also a thing. Unless they can prove Bernie won so many states he'd also overwhelm the super delegates, there's no case here. Now a lot of the public might be (rightly) pissed at the DNC, but that's not illegal.

[–]showmeurboobsplznthx 151ポイント152ポイント  (7子コメント)

There will be a nuclear war before Hillary doesn't win

[–]FEEEEED-MEEEEEE 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Einstein is credited with saying "I know not what weapons world war 3 will be fought with, but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."

I bet he was pretty spot on.

[–]gqtrees 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am already hording fine sticks from my backyard and stones from my trip to glaciers. When this day comes, I will be a kingpin among arms dealers!

[–]Golokopitenko 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

What about after?

[–]DesireeStar 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh that's for certain. Russia and China are chomping at the bit.

[–]lamentationsoftheir 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hide yo constitutions, hide yo bill o rights...

[–]TonyDiGerolamo 162ポイント163ポイント  (24子コメント)

Although probably true, Exit Poll Data isn't definitive proof unless they polled every single voter. Even then, they could say people lied.

[–]VikingDom 78ポイント79ポイント  (21子コメント)

Ding ding ding. It's impossible to prove with exit poll data. It's worth noting though that a large difference in exit polls and actual result is a very strong indicator of foul play, and that the size difference in several states was so big that if it happened in a developing country, the election would be heavily criticised.

On the other hand, the DNC is under no obligation to have their selection process be democratic. It's tradition, and in their own statutes, but there's nothing hindering them in changing those either.

[–]kiredorb 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's tradition, and in their own statutes, but there's nothing hindering them in changing those either.

Like they seem to have done already this time around.

[–]SolidThoriumPyroshar 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, a large difference between exit polls and results indicates nothing unless those exit polls are EVEPs. Exit polls right now are basically only made so the media has something to report on the night of the election. Exit polls in the US have 2 main issues: their sampling of demographics is largely a guess and they have a self-selection bias that creates an enthusiasm gap.

[–]vvhy 8ポイント9ポイント  (11子コメント)

the DNC is under no obligation to have their selection process be democratic.

OK, but their "selection process" is in fact an official government election that also (in CA) determines the candidates for US Congress, determines some propositions, etc. I admit I don't know the laws or exactly how the process works, but you cannot seriously tell me that it doesn't break any laws for them to cheat on this election. I mean I'm sure they can ignore the result of the election if they don't like it, but they can't legally interfere with the election itself right?

[–]swohio 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

The DNC and all political parties are private organizations. They can use whatever method they choose to pick the candidates that represent them in an election. They could have a primary, pick a name out of a hat, have a Smash Bros tournament, whatever method they want. Them rigging their own supposed election however would cause voters to support a different party but isn't actually illegal.

[–]vvhy 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, yeah I get that. But:

Them rigging their own supposed election however

It's NOT their own election (in CA.) It's the CA primary election, run by the state. It is a public election, NOT a DNC election because there is a bunch of stuff on there OTHER than the DNC stuff that could only be decided by a public election. Like new taxes. I mean, I guess maybe the DNC has the power to legislate directly? But I don't think so...

[–]grkirchhoff 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

"not illegal" does not mean "acceptable".

[–]swohio 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh I totally agree. That's one of the reasons I won't be rewarding their shady behavior with my vote. Fuck the DNC.

[–]ajax1101 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

you don't really need to prove anything, you just need to convince a judge (unless this sorta thing would have to go through the legislature). If you can make a good enough argument using statistical analysis to convince a judge, that's all it takes.

[–]arguing-on-reddit 301ポイント302ポイント  (114子コメント)

I'm a Berner through and through, but no, this won't end with proof that he won the primary.

[–]Trigger_Me_Harder 191ポイント192ポイント  (108子コメント)

This sub was taken over by The_Donald a while back. This was posted by a 3 day old account called MrPresidentTrumpp.

They're just concern trolling.

[–]digiorno 27ポイント28ポイント  (7子コメント)

I rarely see pro-trump agendas on r/conspiracy though, mostly just anti-Clinton.

[–]KatalDT 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

Pro-Bernie is generally anti-Clinton. It's just that pro-Bernie now helps Trump more than Clinton, by reminding the disenfranchised how shitty the DNC primaries were.

[–]brkn613 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because heaven forbid people forget how terribly the Hillary campaign (including the dnc) treated Sanders and his supporters.

[–]moeburn 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nobody forgot. Fear of the other candidate is still the #1 reason for voting according to Gallup.

[–]s0ck 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I dont think that is a mistake, either. It's the only way Hilary could plausibly win.

Seriously. ANYONE other than Trump would crush her.

[–]mastigia 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

And CTR would have everyone believe that if you are anti Hillary you are pro trump, because folks in the middle of this don't really want to be seen as pro trump.

[–]arguing-on-reddit 70ポイント71ポイント  (43子コメント)

It really has been taken over, hasn't it? I saw a post a few weeks ago after the debate that was just am imgur album of screenshots of online polls that showed Hillary winning the debate.

People voting for Hillary was considered a conspiracy. Lol.

[–]Rolder 62ポイント63ポイント  (40子コメント)

Between the subs taken over by Trump supporters and the ones taken over by Clinton supporters, I honestly have no clue which pieces of news are factual/not exaggerated any more. All shit all the way down.

[–]Threedawg 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, you could read a few opinions and multiple sources to find out what happened.

Isn't that like, the point of /r/conspiracy? Reading a bunch of information to find out the hidden truth? Lately it seems like it is just "deny what other people say with no evidence whatsoever".

[–]arguing-on-reddit 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's why at this point I do my best to read the article, find another article about the same subject, and then read through the comments to see if anything substantive pops up.

More trouble than its worth, lol.

[–]moeburn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

CBC.ca has been pretty neutral throughout the campaign. They said that the DNC appeared to collude with Clinton. They said that the wikileaks showed her having different positions in private from in public. And they're Canadian, so they don't really care one way or another.

Although being a state-run media agency probably doesn't fly well around here.

[–]RICH_HOMIE_XORBAX 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I honestly have no clue which pieces of news are factual/not exaggerated any more.

Don't feel bad about that. We're living in a post-truth society now, where it is no longer possible to determine whether things are factual or not. Everything you hear, see, or read is a Schrödinger situation -- it's true, false, both true and false, and neither true nor false -- all at the same time.

[–]GovmentTookMaBaby 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I absolutely do feel Hillary's camp has repeatedly been fraudulent and cheated in this election (see the democratic Brooklyn electoral commission member (I'm sure I got that wrong and I know that doesn't help my point) who was recorded saying that there are democrats busing the same voters (some of which he says are unregistered at all) to vote at up to 10 different booths in 10 different neighborhoods across New York City to vote under different names, as well as the 12% discrepancy between Brooklyn's democratic primary exit pole and the reported results, when the US government uses a 4% standard as the threshold for fraud, basically proving Hillary's camp screwed over Bernie) but to say it's a conspiracy that people reported they felt Hillary won the debate or that they are voting for her is ridiculous.

I have had a huge problem with Hillary for a long time, and she is a deplorable woman who intimidated women her husband had raped, but good Lord I don't see how the fanatical Trump supporters are unable to believe people would vote for her.

Just like Trump could do anything and r/the_donald will still vote for him, so could Hillary and all of r/politics will be voting for her. People on both sides are saying they don't get how anyone could support the other side, but are just as adamantly dug in to their candidate.

I fucking hate this election so much, but I'm glad that with the media that is leaked documents and videos we are finally getting a better view of the pieces of shit that candidates for President of the United States usually are. It is just about impossible to get that much power without being absolutely cutthroat, and so many people are blinded by their own morality to realize what that means, which is the willingness to do flat out bad things to advance one's career and protect their interests.

[–]swohio 14ポイント15ポイント  (43子コメント)

Or maybe people who hated Hillary and used to be the dominate voice in /r/politics are tired of it being controlled by CTR. That place is a dumpster fire now.

[–]Ls777 4ポイント5ポイント  (24子コメント)

Or maybe people who hate hillary aren't the dominant force anymore? Because most bernie supporters moved to hillary like the majority of people predicted they would?

[–]moeburn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bernie supporters moved to "I don't like Clinton, but I hate Trump even more, so I am forced to vote for her".

Whereas /r/politics is more like "All these wikileaks are an alt-right conspiracy and Clinton is an extremely experienced and trustworthy candidate who will make a great president".

[–]swohio 10ポイント11ポイント  (20子コメント)

Lol there's documentation of millions of dollars being spent on CTR. /r/politics fucking HATED Hillary. I promise you it wasn't them all suddenly "falling in line."

[–]scarecrowbar 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

Speaking strictly from my own experience as a former Bernie supporter among dozens of friends who were Bernie supporters- every single one of them is enthusiastically voting Clinton now in order to vote against Trump.

I personally opposed Hillary as much as every other Bernie supporter and thought for sure I'd be voting third party. After following the election until this point, though, I can't in good conscience cast a vote that could help Trump get into the White House. I know that's gonna be super unpopular around here so feel free to downvote me if that makes you feel better.

[–]Ls777 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

There's documentation of millions of dollars being spent on revolution messaging too, but nobody seems to care about that for some reason

And yes, in addition to many bernie supporters switching to Clinton, all the Clinton haters stopped posting in r/politics (because it was no longer an anti hillary circlejerk) and all the Clinton supporters started posting there.

[–]Trigger_Me_Harder 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's documentation of paid russian trolls posing as Trump supporters on social media. Yet any mention of that is met with "that's just a crazy conspiracy" even in this sub.

[–]lamentationsoftheir 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's just a crazy conspiracy.

[–]Rengas[🍰] 3ポイント4ポイント  (13子コメント)

I've been seeing 'CTR' pop up a lot in political subs lately. Could you explain what it means in this context? Is it like page views?

[–]swohio 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

CTR stands for Correct The Record, a Political Action Committee (PAC) that has spent literally millions of dollars on a campaign to alter and control the online political discussion on social media sites. They pay people to create accounts and steer conversations to make them pro-Hillary. This isn't a conspiracy, there are elections filings showing that they are actually spending millions of dollars to do this. /r/politics was super anti-Clinton for months and months, then CTR started spending money and you can't find an anti-Clinton post at the top of /r/politics anymore. There was one thread the hit over 7,000 upvotes and nearly 7,000 comments that were very anti-Clinton after the debate last Sunday. It hit #1 on /r/all but then suddenly got deleted by a mod. It's disgusting propaganda.

[–]Rengas[🍰] 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Republicans opened a can of worms when they shoved Citizens United down our throats. Mixing politics with unlimited money was always going to result in something like this.

[–]The_Paradiddliest 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

The day after debate 1 r/politics and twitter did a complete 180, going from anti hillary + pro Bernie to anti trump + no hillary.

Coincidentally, this was the same time CTR (Correct the record, a PAC tasked with shilling online and directing online conversation in a positive way for hillary) got a huge financial bump.

Since then, there has been one pro trump thread (happened immidiatly after debate 2) and everything else has been nuked before even leaving the new que. The only reason the pro-donald thread even got air was because it was intended to be an anti-donald thread, but republicans were actually on r/politics because (in our minds at least, maybe not for the demographic represented by r/politics) trump won the debate.

[–]utstudent4trump 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

The day after debate 1

You mean the convention. It was all pro-Bernie (but mostly anti-Hillary) until the convention ended and CTR got an additional $6MM in funding. It was literally night and day.

[–]Trigger_Me_Harder 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Over 80% of Bernie supporters are against Trump. Even the main mod of SandersForPresident came out and said he's voting for Hillary.

Do you genuinely think they were all paid to do so?

[–]FasterThanTW 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's not being controlled by ctr, your candidate is just a piece of dogshit that can't stop making negative headlines for himself

[–]Programmed 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well when Hillary is your opposition...

[–]JohnPaulTitor 152ポイント153ポイント  (4子コメント)

They probably ripped up all the ballots... Probably with a cloth

[–]AnarchyBurger911 75ポイント76ポイント  (2子コメント)

Then they would shoot the ballots in the back of the head and rule it a suicide.

[–]Lav92 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

as a trump supporter i would rather have bernie run than hillary so in case donald looses i know bernie would at least appoint someone with integrity who is friendly to the constitution. hillary is just going to appoint another crony. it sucks they screwed bernie i really liked the guy even though im more right leaning. besides his economics i think he would have made a good president. i always said donald should have broken the mold and made bernie his vp. its totally a fantasy but i think those two would have balanced each other out and brought in real change for once and you know the two of them would be sitting around a table with some smart minds, sleeves rolled up trying to work to solve issues.

[–]letsgetphysical_ 33ポイント34ポイント  (8子コメント)

The Supreme Court decided to stop the Florida recount in 2000 for no good reason. Al Gore didn't even dispute the decision. American elections are only free and fair if the expected results align with the plan of the oligarchs. Otherwise, they are fixed and their preferred candidate will be installed. There are people more powerful than Clinton, more powerful than Obama. They decide who gets to be Puppet-in-Chief.

[–]machotoast 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

The closer we get to the election date, the more I believe that Trump was a plant to make sure Clinton would win.

[–]justreadthecomment 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Past leaks have proven conclusively that it was the DNC's (and thus, Hillary's) plan to prop up the wackiest voice in the Republican field (Trump) to fracture the GOP and hopefully set up an easy general contest. Newer leaks show the thinking in the Clinton camp was very much that a Trump nom would be best. It would be pretty naïve to think they didn't work to see their strategists' greatest hopes actually happen.

So... more or less proven. The only "but" in the theory is that it generally assumes Trump is a fully willing participant. Trump is a manipulated participant. He pledged to run thinking he could get some attention out of it, to even his surprise he somehow actually won the nom, but now it's too late to back down lest it mar the reputation and ego he went into this to serve.

Clinton played him. Masterfully. She used his big red neon flashing weakness against him and painted him into a corner. Our government is just a playing surface for her. She'll risk our safety, jobs, and entire government because she got it in her head she'd be the first woman president when she was a shitty little kid.

[–]Dippy_Egg 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even Trump's most trusted advisors didn't expect him to fare this well.

Almost a year ago, recruited for my public relations and public policy expertise, I sat in Trump Tower being told that the goal was to get The Donald to poll in double digits and come in second in delegate count. That was it.

The Trump camp would have been satisfied to see him polling at 12% and taking second place to a candidate who might hold 50%. His candidacy was a protest candidacy.

More from Stephanie Cegielski, former Communications Director of the Make America Great Again Super PAC, March 2016

[–]masuabie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a pretty good theory. Great friends go against each other and one acts the fool to make the other look good.

[–]Debonaire_Death 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think at this point we should probably face it, people. I'd say it's a 50/50 chance that Bernie was just a pawn: a man with a good track record who was hired by the DNC to collect money from millenials that could then be turned over to the Clinton campaign.

And if he didn't know he was doing it, then I can almost guarantee you that is why the government was allowing Bernie to do it and why the media was backing him so vehemently earlier this year. It was to galvanize the greatest number of young voters and polarize them to the left.

Bernie's submission and the abrupt media about-face are being blamed on reactionism to Donald Trump--and again, I'm sure this is an overt motive--but the ulteriors suggest that this was calculated from the start, just as they gave Trump a chance so that he could draw votes away from other anti-establiishment candidates to pave the way for Jeb Bush.

The thing is, I think in both cases the establishment underestimated that wilfulness and pent-up anger of the population. Bernie nearly spiraled out of control, but fortunately his main opponent was an establishment candidate, and the establishment has engineering a 1v1 win in the bag.

Trump was a different story. After he made Jeb and Marco look like fools, there were only anti-establishment candidates running. At this point, I think that they actually selected the most outrageous candidate to win the nomination, making the easiest path to victory for Clinton, their establishment candidate.

At this point, they're pulling out a lot of stuff on trump that they were supposed to use to help Jeb win months ago, especially the hot mic scandalous recording that was provided by a member of the Bush family.

This logic is the only reason I want to vote Trump. Clearly Hillary is just the custodian of a narrative that will continue to disenfranchise the American people and accelerate the globalist agenda. I don't base that off of what she says, but what she does, and who is helping her do it.

[–]Grumpy-james 44ポイント45ポイント  (37子コメント)

This won’t happen simply because political leaders even, Bernie Sanders, won’t pursue something with crazy world news title such as “United Sates of America has Rigged Elections” we would be a laughing stock. Our political leaders/nation would look really bad.

[–]Pirvan 189ポイント190ポイント  (10子コメント)

Would be? Too late, mate, too late.

[–]AerMarcus 57ポイント58ポイント  (6子コメント)

Canadian here, can confirm. Sorry mates.

[–]IIllIIllIIlllIIIlllI 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wtf? You guys are saying mate now too? Are we the only ones not saying it, and no one thought to tell us?

[–]iamthehackeranon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It just goes so well with "sorry" that we couldn't help ourselves. Sorry, mate.

[–]anzuo 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

Australian here, can also confirm. You guys are apparently the laughing stock of the year. Just have the damn election already.

[–]lastyegg 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

Too late man, global perception is at an all time low and D.C. knows it

[–]kevinstonge 39ポイント40ポイント  (9子コメント)

If rigged primaries were the only issue, Bernie would gladly take the bad press in order to fix the problem.

There's more going on than just a rigged primary.

[–]Sumner67 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

yep, he had numerous opportunities throughout the primaries to fight blatant issues in multiple states yet never did a thing about them. To be honest, he really didn't seem to care about being robbed or even care about blatant election rigging against him.

He endorsed a person that was everything he claimed to be against and then quit the party and became an Independent.

[–]T2AmR 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was threatened. I guarantee it.

[–]VLXS 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, he does look like he didn't care at all.

[–]hatramroany 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is a picture of him him getting emotional when Larry voted for him...

[–]TheAlphaGareBear 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I didn't like the Colonel, but I was so ready for him to destroy her in the debates. Whether or not the primary was rigged, he should have body slammed her in the debates. Then, for no reason, "We don't want to hear anymore about the damn e-mails!"

[–]anothergaijin 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

He's one of the few politicians who believe the fight should be about the issues and solutions in front of us, not attacking past decisions and personal details.

It would have been fascinating to have Bernie in the race at this stage as the focus would have been purely on policy and issues, not digging up dirt and making accusations

[–]bodie_ 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

European dude here, can confirm. Point of Ridicule has long been passed. Now reaching Point of Pathetic and Sad.

[–]Miss_spelled_meme 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

we would be a laughing stock.

To late.

[–]EcHoFiiVe 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

As an American living here I think it's too late for looking good. We look like asshats domestically and internationally

[–]ThanksForNothin 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are already being laughed at. Either we take the embarrassing fact that our election is rigged, or we take the embarrassing fact that the American people actually chose these people.

[–]Nagemasu 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

we would be a laughing stock. Our political leaders/nation would look really bad.

Everyone's already said it, but it's true, you guys already are. However if this did happen, I would at least appreciate the fact of something being done about it for the better.

[–]Gengar0 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meanwhile you've got Trump and H Clinton as potential leaders of your nation.

Yup. Breaking news of political corruption sure would be the thing to do it.

[–]Dongslinger420 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have you been living under a tectonic plate?

[–]benb4ss 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

we would be a laughing stock. Our political leaders/nation would look really bad.

European here, you look like fucking retards for having Trump as candidate of a party.

[–]WackyModder84 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you implying that we don't look bad for doing just that right now?

Because that's exactly what happened to Bernie as it is. The DNC rigged the election against him in favor for Hillary.

[–]ECGuiseppe 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a surprise. Another heavily upvoted post in r/conspiracy based on a sensational headline. And no one in the comment section actually discussing the lawsuit or the article, although to be fair there isn't much content in the article to discuss.

The lawsuit was filed in July in Ohio, Johnson v Edison Media Research. The lawyer representing the lawsuit, Bob Fitrakis, has done this in past elections when the guy he likes doesn't win. The DA had filed for sanctions against him during his last lawsuit because the lawsuit was deemed meritless. While the sanctions were denied since Ohio doesn't recognize sanctions for meritless cases. Here is what a judge had to say about his last lawsuit in 2004:

"On 19 May 2005, Chief Justice Moyer denied the motion for sanctions.Justice Moyer concluded that, "[t]he contestors indeed made multiple allegations in the complaint that are, at best, highly improbable and potentially defamatory, inflammatory, and devoid of logic.

So don't get your hopes up about this lawsuit. It was filed months ago and has had no traction probably for the same reasons as mentioned above. The lawyer that filed the case has a history of filing frivolous lawsuits when his team doesn't win (he shockingly had no complaints of election fraud in 2008 when Obama won Ohio).

[–]Elmariachioneslug84 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

If this went through and he made a come back, it would be music to a divided nations ears.

[–]Toke_Blue 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

How can other people in power not see what is happening? Why are people who are in power not doing anything?

[–]Dildodanf 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

because theyre in on it too. Mass ROI is at stake here

[–]one-hour-photo 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because exit polls and actual votes are the same thing

[–]Deathoftheages 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the exit poll numbers were as far off as they were with the votes in another country the US would be calling shenanigans.

[–]monkeyfudgehair 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the first time I have ever been really truly nervous about an election. With a conflict brewing with Russia we cannot afford this shit show.

[–]Jaredlong[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fascinating how during the primaries all of Trumps supporters were anti-Bernie (even though they weren't running against each other) but now that Trump is unilaterally losing, him and his supporters love Bernie just oh so much.

[–]JLipari 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not in the next 2 weeks

[–]BlackBeltBeta 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

But...he didn't? I mean I'm all for a good silly conspiracy but she won by 3 million votes. People can call fraud but that's a difficult number to fake.

[–]japie81 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ban corporate lobbying, nationalize private central banks, tax the elite, jail corrupt bankers and politicians, end the war on drugs... Vote japie81 2016

[–]shadowofashadow 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is all so pointless. the idea that the sitting president can make any real change is a tool they use to control you. Hope and Change should have been proof of that.

Put your effort somewhere else, it's the entire establishment that we need to fight. Putting in some new puppet won't change anything. If you haven't noticed, both parties get funded by the same groups.

[–]MahSelectah 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lawyers upon lawyers upon threats will make sure no one ever heard about this.

[–]PrivateShitbag 13ポイント14ポイント  (18子コメント)

Of course he fucking won, HRC is the most corrupt politician since Nixon. I feel like I am losing my mind.

[–]the_mackie 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nixon gets an incredibly bad rap because we're raised to think he was some crooked monster but honestly, he's JV compared to the circle jerk Washington has become.

[–]thesevenyearbitch 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nixon is a corruption toddler compared to her majesty.

[–]IIllIIllIIlllIIIlllI 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the most corrupt ever. At least in the US

[–]Tebasaki 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was a part of the iowa primaries. All of them. If what I saw happened in even a fourth of the shit across the country then yes, he won.

[–]blh1003 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How could he have won if he never led in the polls

[–]flashcats 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do people know how off exit polls are? This is a worthless lawsuit.

Also i don't see the reason why the polling company Would need to turn it over.

[–]Dank_of_America 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whisper of a whisper of a dream.

[–]keiyakins 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or more likely it'll show there were only minor irregularities at most, nothing significant. Bernie was significantly less popular with non-white voters.