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[–]You reap what you sow!delunar 474ポイント475ポイント  (37子コメント)

DC does it. Salary on time, everything in order, full transparency. Good shit.

FeelsGoodMan

[–]Abaddon never metaFyrestone 180ポイント181ポイント  (18子コメント)

Everything's coming up SUNSfan!

[–]snowywish 35ポイント36ポイント  (15子コメント)

What if Sunsfan and Puppey were working together to create the perfect villain?

[–]You reap what you sow!delunar 44ポイント45ポイント  (14子コメント)

What an evil genius!

[–]sunsfannedBreaDKatka 21ポイント22ポイント  (12子コメント)

oh. my. god. Thats it! Thats the Secret!

[–]s4r9am 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

This has all been a Digital Chaos.

[–]Flyceps, Jewceps.Zendelele [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Had a feeling they are real Original Gangsters.

[–]Rubik's Cubecp4tj 11ポイント12ポイント  (9子コメント)

Stop making all these team name puns. Only a newbee does that.

[–]slothalot 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

This seems serious, there should be a player alliance to prevent these things.

[–]Flaming since 2009_Peavey [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Looks like Team Secret's foundations became a bit Liquid.

[–]sosospirited [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Sounds like they just Horde the money and don't pay the players.

[–]OSkyuNyanero [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The continuation of Secret's popularity is Unknown.

[–]ikelucas [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Well, you do know that players often don't want to play with organizations just to avoid that kind of complexity

[–]SalivamancerDrQuint 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

SUNSfan fan sales are gonna soar.

[–]aposgaspf 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

What i think was happening in Team Secret was just a simple ponzi meme.

promise good players good memes they make you money via tournament $$ and sponsor money you spend their $$ on hookers and blow "wheres our money senpai?" "its coming lad" wins next tournament "here is your money senpai" "okay thanks where is a our money though" "dont worry m8 its coming soon.tm" waits to win next tourney/new sponsor money coming in

The 10% being hidden is perfect evidence of this. They were taking their own money to pay them - meaning they were not willing to spend their own money on them in the first place. Former/current players will get paid when the next chunk of money comes in and then the cycle continues.

[–]yazzybluntz1 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

it does sound like a ponzi scheme, kemals logs with even look exactly like a guy try to rob peter to pay paul

[–]randomkidlol 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

sunsfan worship on point

[–]Komugi x MeruemEternityGear [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

At this point he deserves it. The man got lucky as fuck, and has proved in the end that he deserved a break. Great team owner.

[–]snowhawk1994 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

i am so proud having that dc flair now FeelsGoodMan ty sunfan SeemsGood

[–]ScavengerRuss 259ポイント260ポイント  (15子コメント)

I managed to get kicked twice from the same team before I got my share of the money. 4Head

LMAO

[–]Nicholas.nickbangbang 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't really like Twitch memes, but that 4Head is gold.

[–]I still BelievEE in rtEEzModernSpartan 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was used perfectly. I would have my face like that too If I still haven't been paid from my first kick

[–]Kraivo 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

Why Misery didn't write anything about Puppey?

[–]shoestringfr1es [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

probably b/c the most important issue is the delayed payments, shady non-transparent organization thing. I think it's nice that his blog was basically a tldr version of envy's blog. they should do this more often.

[–]zz_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Envy is the carry, taking a lot of time to get to max strength. Misery is the support, getting shit done quickly and without fluff. I'm sure they'd be great on a team together.

[–]Bollaa 66ポイント67ポイント  (7子コメント)

Nothing new added by Misery here, but it's definitely a confirmation for what EE has already posted. Not that he is known to lie or anything, it's just always good to know the story from two different perspectives and when they both say the exact same thing it probably is the truth.

Can't wait for Puppey/Secret's response, should be juicy.

[–]RTCfan 38ポイント39ポイント  (4子コメント)

I am pretty sure there won't be any response from Puppey himself. He probably still thinks he did nothing wrong and keeps blaming others.

[–]JothamInGotham 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Kemal's fault for always being on vacation"

[–]FROM SEA TO SHOREArkbabe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Can't have the future President of Estonias reputation be smeared like this, though.

[–]DINGDINGDINGMOTHERFUCKERNicer_Chile 159ポイント160ポイント  (13子コメント)

I need to start using this "im on vacation" excuse, seems to be very effective.

[–]QO god, Forev godHAPPYSADPERSON 193ポイント194ポイント  (6子コメント)

apology for poor english

when were you when pay dies?

I was sat at vacation eating pornstar when ee ring

pay is kill

no

[–]calderious 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nailed it.

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[–]imbogey 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Boss: "imbogey, why are you not at work?!" Me: "im on vacation, i'll come tomorrow" PuppeyFace

[–]War-Hammered 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah, dont forget like your mom is very sick, you were at the hospital, your grandma died.

ALl good fuckin shit for scammers

[–]EternaLEnVy & RTZ fanshit (◕‿◕✿)Kuro013 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

u need to be rich af to use it frequently though

[–]Sha_of_Depression 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unclear if this new meme will catch on.

[–]n0tail + fly = KreygasmTeunski 141ポイント142ポイント  (47子コメント)

I love how DC just does everything better. Makes me respect SUNSFan even more.

Also, shouldn't the contract just say there's prize cuts? That's really strange.

[–]SNIP SNIPtoshirou22 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

Misery had a comment saying they had no contracts. Real shady.

[–]n0tail + fly = KreygasmTeunski 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, in most country orally agreed upon contracts are equally valid. It's just more difficult to prove, and pulling this kind of shit is a lot easier for the people making the agreement. This was probably all pre-meditated.

[–]inferniac 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I should have included the fact that we didnt have contracts.

Misery commented under the blog post.

[–]DRHST 32ポイント33ポイント  (36子コメント)

What contract ? This is "professional" dota where players don't sign any contracts or get legal advice for anything, even though it's a 30 million dollar scene.

[–]eSports_Beef 94ポイント95ポイント  (19子コメント)

Every Dota player I've ever signed has a contract with everything spelled out in detail. Some of that is even more detailed than it originally was because swindle and Zfreek hired a very good lawyer to negotiate terms, and we improved the contract even moreso through that interaction.

Many of our players have had some form of legal representation or an agent to negotiate on their behalf. Just because some players and teams are living in the Wild West, don't expect that all teams are.

[–]N0tail <3Madswm 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Its literally beyond me how Secret have not had contracts this whole time, didn't anyone think this was concerning ?

a contract is there to safeguard both sides, why didn't any of this ring alarm bells way sooner?

sigh, well at least there are good Org's out there. and CoL seems to be among them.

[–]Felador 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because with contracts come responsibilities and obligations.

A lot of early 20 somethings don't understand the benefits and avoid them at all costs and organizations know how to take advantage of the holes.

[–]I'm sorry! I changed to Complexity for ti5!Pherma95 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get a feeling that Secret was like some form of utopian project on an desolate island.

Lots of irritated people gathering together to form the perfect team society, but as soon as the ugly questions begins to show themselves the facades crumble

[–]SlarkXNaga OTPLineage_tw 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Props to CoL for being professional. Swindle and zfreek did it right. You don't enter a binding contract like that without hiring a lawyer.

Contrary to what Reddit send to think, lawyers exist to make you money. If you're negotiating a 6 figure+ professional contract, a lawyer can at least ensure your terms are fair. A good lawyer can help you negotiate better terms and (potentially) make you more money.

[–]xCesme 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

What I will never understand as a law student is this; How can you play for millions of dollars, be in a multi-million dollar industry regardless of prize money and when you join a team you don't sign any paper that gives you tangible proof that you will get what you earned, deserved and worked for. I mean I would set up a contract for any player for free just so they don't get fucked by greedy, dishonest and just terrible human beings. You can't use the arguement ''but puppey said this'' bla bla bla. Have some self respect, you are a professional gamer, be professional outside of the game too and one day we can stop having these sad situations.

EDIT: This quote bothers me the most: ''It’s interesting to think about what would have happened if I didn’t continue to harass and be stubborn about my share of the winnings.''

In what world is asking someone or even demanding that they give you the money that they owe you, that you earned and that you was promised, harassing and being stubborn? This mentality needs to disappear completely from all dota 2 pro's. This softy stance and attitude is what got you into this mess in the first place.

[–]Abaddon never metaFyrestone 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm just going to randomly put up here that I was downvoted when I said Kemal seemed pretty shady when people were assblasting Alex Garfield a month ago.

[–]still a ppd fangaykasasasa 207ポイント208ポイント  (32子コメント)

So I contacted an attorney and he started poking Kemal instead of myself.

Finally, someone with some sense.

[–]War-Hammered 41ポイント42ポイント  (19子コメント)

attorneys cost a truckload of $ though

[–]still a ppd fangaykasasasa 23ポイント24ポイント  (8子コメント)

It sounds like the attorney just wrote a demand letter, that and consultation wouldn't have cost a lot. Given the amount Misery was dealing with it was probably well worth it — you don't exactly need a law degree to write a demand letter, but it does let people know you're serious. And they're less likely to blow you off. Though, it's hard to say if Kemal finally caved because of the attorney or Envy's blog threat lol

[–]MrsHashbown 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I mean EE is still out $30,000 so defiantly seems like hiring an attorney got him all his money

[–]NotSpare [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

defiantly

[–]I came here to be tested.despot93 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I learned today in a reddit thread it's auto-correct when people write definatly (instead of definitely)

[–]peanutsfan1995 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah, explaining the situation, reviewing existing documentation and communication, and then drafting the letter probably took 4-6 hours. What do lawyers bill at, like $175/hour?

I'd say that's a worthwhile investment.

[–]cys22 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah but when you're dealing with large enough amounts of money, such as top pro dota 2 players are atm you could potentially lose more by not hiring one if that means you don't receive your cut from some tournaments winnings

[–]TheMekar [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Where do people get this idea that attorneys are that expensive? I don't make nearly as much as a top tier professional player like Misery or EE and I have been able to hire lawyers for anything I needed easily. If anything, they save me money.

[–]Hastverk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably less then what the money could have done if it went into paying for a house/invested by Misery

[–]SylphStarcraft 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

And it didn't work either. It was until they realized envy might put out a blog that misery got paid.

[–]WingedFagg0tofRa 27ポイント28ポイント  (6子コメント)

Going public and forcing their hand with community pressure and avoiding legal fees could be cheaper though.

[–]mister_hoot 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a risky move, though, especially since at the time Rasmus had complaints about Secret's management but no solid proof of misconduct. If you take organization drama like this public before you have a solid argument to stand on you leave yourself open to looking like a hyper-reactionary dumbass. Better to hire someone who deals with these sorts of things professionally before appealing to the community at large.

[–]Excellence of ExecutionDynamoCG 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except it didn't even work until Envy started dropping hints about a blog post. What a mess.

[–]Hey RTCbeaverlyknight [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

+1

I mean I respect Jacky for a lot of things. But Misery is a real adult here. No bs, talk to my lawyer. I mean maybe Jacky did contact a lawyer, but he didn't mention it. But this is how it should be dealing with hundreds of thousands of dollars.

[–]MumrikDK 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

These guys earn too much to not have representation.

[–]jellyy123 76ポイント77ポイント  (15子コメント)

Pretty sure Team Secret gonna be the most hated team from now onwards. And Puppey's name is now tainted to the point of no return

[–]in fata we trustimliterallydyinghere 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

i can see him going back to his CIS roots.

[–]badvok666 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sad day for me. There is no supporting puppy now. Going with my boy s4.

[–]NawakiS 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

After reading EEs blog, I keep imagining Puppey flaming s4 at TI5 and s4 having a mental breakdown because of it. Hopefully hell have a good run with OG.

[–]Personboy4 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I like to imagine that when ever puppy would start flaming s4, he would remind him that they didn't win a single lan till s4 started drafting.

[–]NasKe 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I fucking hope they do amazingly well. Nothing would be better than to have a TI winner everyone hates. The drama, the memes (the higher amount of viewers on stream), would be perfect for the scene.

[–]muhpreciousmmr 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Considering what EE said about Puppey and how much he doesn't play. I don't see Secret changing for the better until their captains does.

I just hope for their new players that they don't go through the same abusive behavior their old players did.

[–]beaver-knight 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

i woke up like 20 minutes back... from the past few months i felt so bad and shitty as if i had no purpose in life but today...Today has given me a new hope and reason to live and fight to see another day.. This drama is like water in a desert with no ends i feel so good right now.. holy shit

[–]Stop Wooing!JPSR [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No 6.89 all is hard on us, keep up dude - soon there will be retribution!

[–]rtzfruitbooploops 73ポイント74ポイント  (6子コメント)

not as spicey for sure

[–]Tru3Gamer[S] 49ポイント50ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely, but it backs up some of Envy's statements.

[–]I spam Kappa faces on twitchflamindude99 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well it's just an affirmation of what EE summarised earlier. This looks pretty bad for Secret tbh.

[–]twitch.tv/rusty_sticksrusticks 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Envy gave us the delicious entree, this is more like the nice desert at the end of the meal that wraps it all up.

[–]Ryaqsm 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

Kemal sure can't respond to messages for vacation reasons pretty often.

[–]pouou 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am all for bashing secret and kemal, but that is the same vacation when misery and EE contacted him.

[–]ELDIABLIU 37ポイント38ポイント  (12子コメント)

Big props to Sunsfan for taking a step into the right way things should be handled in E-Sports Organisation. I hope DC and NP can keep up the good shit

[–]Vancirgma 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

From all the popular orgs and what I can gather it really seems that DC and Team Liquid are top tier.

[–]Drodman93 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

TBH nothing beats eg, they are the cream of the crop org wise.

[–]Hey RTCbeaverlyknight [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

EG pays a 5 figure (or high 4 figure, I'm unclear) monthly salary, but they do take a 10% cut afaik.

[–]QuintinityTheCoder [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

At least they don't hide the 10% cut from the players, haha

[–]S Q U A D U PDerClogger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

With drama like this, that might even be worth it for guaranteed, no bullshit payment.

[–]Be the good playerj2bv16 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

DC does it. Salary on time, everything in order, full transparency. Good shit.

[–]SharkBaitDLS 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feels good to be a DC fan right now.

[–]ccdy 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

Shit on SUNSfan all you want, seems like he knows how to run a team.

[–]Abaddon never metaFyrestone 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

He's smart. Building reputation is probably the most important thing for a new brand like DC.

[–]Hey RTCbeaverlyknight [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I know that we all shit on Sunsfan a bit after the infamous video announcing DC. But I guess I owe him an apology, he seems like a pretty legit guy after all. Sorry I flamed you Sunsfan, keep up the good work.

[–]rtz flairSpiddz 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

Puppey must be destroying monitors left and right

[–]CodeGayass 40ポイント41ポイント  (20子コメント)

EE right now

First SingSing, now Puppey, who will be next?

[–]Baal_Redditor 10ポイント11ポイント  (16子コメント)

What happened with singsing?

[–]Lupin123 14ポイント15ポイント  (14子コメント)

After kicking Sing2x from c9, EE wrote a blog post saying how SingSing is very different from his streaming persona. He's really competitive but pretty stubborn. He refuses/doesn't like playing "meta heroes" so he has a somewhat limited hero pool. Not sure if his statement kinda fucked Sing's career since it doesn't seem like teams are contacting him but yeah.

I think that's what he said about Sing. Don't remember exactly.

[–]WithFullForce 21ポイント22ポイント  (7子コメント)

SingSine pretty much ficked his own career, everyone can see he's not exactly Ti material in Kaipi anymore.

[–]Lupin123 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a sing fangay I like to think he's an a lot better midlaner than carry player

[–]T O R I L L A T A V A T A A Nsaippua [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

probably but a mid player would be expected to play all the top mid picks of the current meta at the highest level, which is something sing2x cant.

[–]Tofa7 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Someone who clearly hasn't watched a lot of Kaipi games.

Bone7 and Fluff are the shitters.

[–]Floirt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I felt so bad watching Sing in WESG w/ woof, his team fed constantly while he always kept a stellar K/D even when he lost. :(

[–]WithFullForce [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've been hearing this from SingSing fans since he was on C9, it's ALWAYS someone else's fault. Precious Singu however never makes an error.

[–]Winter Wyvern's so hot actually.Bohya [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

To be fair, I don't think the reason SingSing's professional career is dead is because of anything EE said. Teams just don't want to pick him up because he is a very mediocre player. Don't get me wrong, I love the femboy and watch his stream regularly. But even I can see that he isn't exactly a high teir player anymore. At one point he was, but he has simply fallen off - whether this be to his talent deteriorating over time or his inability to keep up with the ever growing curve.

SingSing is a great streamer and I love him to bits. There is no place for him in pro-DotA anymore though. He needs to embrace what he loves and what people love of him.

[–]R4vel [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

i have zero fucking idea what ur talking about in terms of "it doesnt seem like teams are contacting him" 1 his team "sucks so much dick they could make porn" his words not mine. 2 hes streaming for c9

[–]Sheldan 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

What exactly happened with Sing?

[–]Kodaisa 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

he just kicked him from c9. Envy didnt really say much other than he was too quiet in-game and hard to play with sometimes or something, but people wrote a lot of hearsay that repeated itself over and over until it became drama.

[–]Planckinator 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well written blog, easy read for non native english speakers. That ending too, really strong!

[–]Funn1k 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED , PUPPEY IS COMMUNIST SPY , THAT WAS SEND TO RUIN EU SCENE, PUPPEY IS HIDDEN STALIN'S RELATIVE

[–]CAW CAW ⋛⋋( ՞ਊ ՞)⋌⋚Radota2 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

So he's not a moon operative?

[–]originaldemo 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I managed to get kicked twice from the same team before I got my share of the money. 4Head

Holy shit, that just goes to show how much people trusted Puppey. Could you imagine joining a organization again after they fired you and did not pay you after firing you? The trust it would take.

Fuck Puppey.

[–]GiddyChild 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

SoonerLater Sooner or later I will get paid SoonerLater

[–]www.ScytherDOTA.comScytherDOTA 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

DC is the best organization ever created.

They even have the SirActionSlacks.

[–]dnvsasm 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

DC does it. Salary on time, everything in order, full transparency. Good shit.

[–]NawakiS [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Seriously, this so much. Sunsfan deserves much more respect for how hes been able to run DC.

[–]Sunsfanning their way into first placeD2WilliamU 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

So proud of my flair RN, SUNSFAN ever since XMG captains draft 1.0 3 years ago you been my man

You da best boi

[–]SAVING STRATS FOR TI6FeebleBuzz 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

"DC does it. Salary on time, everything in order, full transparency. Good shit."

Sunsfan sends his regards.

[–]westcoastmaximalist 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

remember when suns was despised by Reddit for putting himself in the team reveal video and secret was loved

[–]Bruce666Bruce666123 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

What about the pornstars? asking the real questions here m8

[–]moonmeh 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man Misery must have really felt good to be in DC after that whole mess. Sunsfan's pretty good at taking care of his players.

Fuck organizations that mess with paying out their players, taking cuts or just flat out don't even give their players their due. Clean up your act Secret

[–]BeYo_OnD 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems to me that "Team Secret" is some sort of self-ironic name hinting at all the shady stuff happening behind the curtains. There's already a lot of drama, but I'm pretty sure we haven't even heard half of it. When you have to put up with shit like that for a fairly long period of time and still have to play DotA2 at your best, sometimes without even getting paid, it just puts things in a very different perspective. Pro players have it rougher than one might think.

[–]untouchable765 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

DC is the real MVP. So happy for the players and SUNSFan for winning all that money at TI.

[–]JothamInGotham 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I should have included the fact that we didnt have contracts.

Puppey abusing the trust of his fellow teammates.

[–]todosselacomen [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Please tell me this is a joke: http://i.imgur.com/9UITS2Z.png

With prize money that huge they dare go on the honor system? Shame on Secret for doing this (if true), but also shame on the players for accepting it (if true).

[–]AliA_W_Z_2 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

damn you fast dude

[–]Tru3Gamer[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

I got nimble fingers boi

[–]denimwaltzdemiwaltz 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

your fingers nimble enough to throw your headphones at your monitor, boi? wanna fight? stop being cancerous.

[–]WithFullForce 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

TL; DR:

I should have included the fact that we didnt have contracts.

I can't accentuate this line enough. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT YOU HAVE NOTHING. You are doing charity work and the organization is basically paying you what they feel like.

[–]Titty_RA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Misery's journey from out of secret to the secret is out

[–]EmperorDrackos 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

God bless SUNSfan and his organization

[–]WenCute 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

DC, best org out there.. Sunsfan fan forever!!

[–]Iva-Biggun 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure Dota drama has peaked now, I mean how can we reach higher levels then this?

[–]serimor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kemal's vacation timing always on point Kappa

[–]Round 3 Boys rtzWmuncken [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Misery, what a champ. This blog was enjoyable to read. Also, you can tell he has been in the game for a while. He was there when MYM collapsed as well I believe. He lost the naive view of the world long time ago.

Also brings up a valid point on how a 10% cut doesn't matter if people agree on it. It's a bit off putting hearing players obsess so much about a 10% cut when they make millions. The players aren't all saints either.

[–]LULAwkwarkPeNGuiN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hilarious as it may sound, I personally received it more than a year and a half later. I managed to get kicked twice from the same team before I got my share of the money. 4Head

LUL Misery.

[–]handa711 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This happens a lot in Starcraft 2 too. ESPORTS.

[–]NedFlanders9000 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Misery just commented on his blog saying there is no contracts in team secret.

[–]congruentgruia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

anticlimactic

[–]snowywish 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apparently he also wrote to Kemal, probably mentioning his infamous blog, and finally I got the payment.

The power of the EE blog is truly fearsome.

[–]Aquila_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

wait i'm confused...payments from the majors don't get sent directly to the individuals like payments from ti? that's super weird to me

[–]Nmd ozv hm eqnms ne sgd nsgdq!CzmBzsOqn 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/ZLBqNVB.png

In case the blog crashes because of Reddit.

[–]asifaqeel50 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was refreshing the twitter Page and the new section or r/dota2 and this reddit post was the first to come , Damnnnn!

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    [–]lifehaver 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What made sunsfan not be considered trustworthy? He always seemed very honest and brunt. In fact, he'll tell you things you don't really even want to know.

    [–]notaisu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    just in time. my popcorn is ready

    [–]MOSBEY- 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    He got kicked twice?

    [–]EmberedAxe 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yes, during the short lived Secret 1.5 Misery was brought in to replace Fly as offlaner, who had just been kicked.

    Notail left shortly after probably because of the fly kick, and they brought in Arteezy and Zai for the legendary Secret 2.0

    [–]Siskoo0 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I managed to get kicked twice from the same team before I got my share of the money. 4Head

    [–]AR12 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wow. I wonder about the repercussions around Dota and other esports from these revelations. Like maybe a lot of orgs are being shady and players are starting to realize.

    [–]REEEEEEEE-armingCaturday_Yet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    More drama, this is so so good

    [–]pld fangayLuccai 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    yeah, you beat me. time for part 2 boysss

    [–]Sxi139 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    so DC pays on time. GREAT TEAM

    welp GG Secret get fucked

    [–]Kky fangirlNiwolita 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I would probably not mind giving the organisation 10%. But that is simply not the case. The amount of big words, promises about salary, sponsor deals, and the belief that we were playing for an organisation that was different from most, just makes me want my full share.

    [–]kibze 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sumsfan the hero this community needs

    [–]BabyRage is bae <3Clyne2112 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This seems like a confirmation of what EE wrote instead of some extra drama FeelsBadMan

    [–]Arteezy's Ego ( ͝° ͜ʖ͡°)zyndr0m 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I started writing Kemal about the payments. Initially when I wrote him he was on vacation

    Apparently whenever shit is about to hit the fan Kemal is on vacation, what is this? Sean Murray in disguise?

    [–]OnlyMayhem 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He doesn't talk about Puppey much though

    [–]n113 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Disappointed he didn't confirm anything that Envy said about Puppey. He didn't deny it either, though.

    [–]I eat assNoFun12345 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sweet Christmas!

    [–]345tom 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Get in there before it's also hugged to death.

    [–]Silver_Lance 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Holy shit secret is all out from making team name with secret payment as well as 10% secret cut !!

    Well played kemal,well played !!

    [–]woody36 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    DC does it. Salary on time, everything in order, full transparency. Good shit.

    It's so clear now, another Sunsfaning has happened. Puppy and Secret shouldn't be hated since they have been framed to make DC look good.

    [–]They are not prepared.FeedHappens 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    DC does it. Salary on time, everything in order, full transparency. Good shit.

    All Hail DC!

    [–]Fight me!Derpy_Guardian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Does anyone else feel like professional teams are always trying to scam their players? It seems like every other week there's something like this.

    [–]scoondaka 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sunsfan was right

    [–]Has nice cleavageMegavore97 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    SUNSFANNED

    [–]Que-Hegan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Things are looking darker and darker for Secret and Puppey.

    [–]mandalore_69 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Problem is they didn't sign contracts

    [–]eko_kratos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    “ I most recently found out that we apparently are giving a 10% cut to the Secret Organisation. It seems like Puppey had decided there is a 10% cut and that we should simply accept that fact.”

    Why o why, would something like this be tolerated?

    [–]rindindin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fresh meat drama.