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Donald J. Trump - Here is my statement (facebook.com)

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[–]dextersevin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That apology looked more like an ISIS hostage video.

[–]XSavageWalrusX [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

Ok, here is the thing. It isn't about "lewd language". It is about having basic human decency and respect for women. If I walked up and grabbed your wife/married daughter/mother by the pussy. Would you find that acceptable? Would you press charges? You sure as hell would never vote for me for president.

[–]telloccini [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

they would if you had an (R) by your name.

[–]777Sir [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"We may have someone at the helm who stands for everything I'm against, but it's still my team!"

It's like people who cheer football players who show up on the field after beating their wives or something.

[–]passionlessDrone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'd have a tic tac though.

[–]Homeless_Scrapbooker [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So are you voting for Hillary now?

[–]XSavageWalrusX [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm going to be honest I'm not really a conservative. I am a moderate who subs here because I like to get different perspectives, so I don't want to deceive anyone into thinking I'm something I'm not, but yes I'm voting for Hillary.

[–]izzypop112 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Did he actually do it? No. Did the husband of Hillary? Yes. Which she seems to have no problem with.

https://twitter.com/HilLIARy_Lies/status/782408067380088833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[–]DonaldDrumpf16 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Did he actually do it? No.

We don't know that.

[–]izzypop112 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So we automatically just think he did?

[–]newprofile15 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well he explicitly described how he makes aggressive moves grabbing and kissing women in this conversation and they "let you do anything" because "you're a star." So according to him, yes, he did.

He described forcefully coming onto a married woman while he was married. He alluded to fucking numerous beauty pageant contestants in the beauty contests he ran.

If you think that Trump hasn't pulled this shit with countless women you are incredibly naive.

[–]Yahmahah 44ポイント45ポイント  (61子コメント)

Overall I think the statement is a positive thing, but did he really have to make it about the Clintons? That part seems a little childish to me. It's basically the attitude of "Oh yeah sorry but have you heard what this guy did?" It may be true, but it really diminishes the value of an apology.

[–]NurseSati 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

I think it is a warning of what his agenda and talking points will be at the debate

[–]quadrophenia515Conservative [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

He doesn't have to be civil/hold back like he did at the last debate. If she confronts him about what he said, he confronts her with what she and her husband did. Honestly, this might backfire for the Clinton camp because I think Trump wins in a head to head pissing match.

[–]Braxo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm thinking that Clinton is preparing for this exchange. Her prepared statements, responses, and further attacks may fluster Trump who I don't think will be prepared.

Then to think what he moderator can do cutting Trump's points off.

[–]pk3maross [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

He has to go balls to the wall on offense in this debate if he wants to win

[–]HappyZombies [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If he doesn't go full in she'll win. HE HAS TOO GO FULL BLAST. If he doesn't Clinton WILL win.

[–]scaredimgurian [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, haven't you heard? As long as you can point to someone worse than you, you can be as shitty as you want. Anytime the police grab me for murder I just tell them about the serial killer Gary Ridgway, and they let me go.

I apologize for that overly dramatic example. But Sean Hannity compared Trump to King David of the Old Testament, so you have to forgive me.

[–]kcr33Constitutionalist [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Nah. This only confirms that Trump is basically alternate timeline Biff Tannen.

Now we know he hid Ooh-la-la in his Sports Almanac sleeve.

[–]beer_n_guns#NeverDonaryClump [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

"At least I'm not a Clinton" is his only shot at winning. It does cheapen the apology, but this is still politics.

[–]Yahmahah [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He has infinite amounts of opportunities to bad mouth Hilary. This wasn't the place for it

[–]HansZarkov 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Did he really have to make it about the Clintons? That part seems a little childish to me.

I completely disagree....A lot of you millennials don't remember Monica Lewinsky testified that Bill Clinton masturbated her with a cigar case in the oval office against her will. Hillary Clinton responded by coining the term "Bimbo Eruption" to demean the women who accused Bill of sexual assault.

I don't think its just "sorry but have you heard what this guy did?", as if Trump is trying to marginalize his words with respect to Bill Clinton's actions....I think it's a matter that Hillary Clinton willfully shamed women who many Americans believe were raped and the media is giving her a free pass. Can you imagine if the political fallout if a politician called the woman raped by Brock Turner a "bimbo"?

Both Clinton and Trump have said some really cringy things about women, but the difference is that the Clinton campaign is proclaiming itself as a champion for women. It's a totally relevant point and I think the Trump campaign out be be drilling it as hard a possible.

[–]uncannylizard [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Source on it being against Monica's will? I'm pretty sure it was a consensual affair. The whole rape angle is completely invented by /r/the_donald.

[–]jas07 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm going to have to correct you there. Monica has always stated that is was consensual between the two of them.

[–]cakebatter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I remember that very well, and Monica testified it was always consensual. The real question is whether or not it's truly consensual, or if it's manipulative and coercive when you're an aide and the most powerful man in the world is hitting on you.

[–]mikejsmith6852 [スコア非表示]  (39子コメント)

I think it's his only play. The media is absolutely apoplectic right now. Where was the faux outrage when Bill Clinton was president? Americans need to be reminded of this double standard.

[–]Yahmahah [スコア非表示]  (20子コメント)

What? Bill Clinton was nearly removed from office over his scandal

[–]mikejsmith6852 [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

All 45 Democrats in the Senate voted "not guilty". This is exactly what I'm talking about. You have Republicans like Paul Ryan and Jason Chaffetz abandoning Trump - and I'm not saying they're wrong. It's the right thing to do. However, the Democrats never break ranks. That's why they win.

[–]JajaOfOpobo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Nah the Dems break ranks. JASTA passed just last week with Dems breaking with Obama to pass it. Also Schumer voting against the Iran deal. Not the exact same but still

[–]juslen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You are right, they break ranks when it's smart to or when it does their candidate no harm. What did Obama lose? You better believe Dems would have stood by Obama if this was a crucial battle before the election. Republicans are glorified white nights, not just politicians but voters as well. Their morals don't win battles and they lose wars.

[–]Thekaiser316 [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

It's the right thing to do.

However, the Democrats never break ranks. That's why they win.

The right thing to do is pussy our and let the democrats win? What we need to do is stand behind Trump in this moment.

[–]kyrpaani [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

This. For some republican elites and purists it's better to let the worst enemy win than support a little flawed candidate. At this point it really should be clear that Trump is a superior candidate for a conservative person (no, any third party candidate is not going to win, just deal with it).

It's so sad that so many republican people are bowing to the media like some poor weasels. The liberal media will still hate also them and their conservative agenda. Divide and conquer in action.

[–]jogarz [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

No. It's more important to be principled. The fact that "get in line" has now become a core value of conservatism to you people is despicable. That's why we're going to lose this election, not because some Republicans have the dignity not to endorse this buffoon, but because the nominee is a despicable, unprincipled moron.

Trump has shot himself in the foot again and again. Attempting to pass the buck is ridiculous. If Trump loses, it's only his fault, and his fault alone.

[–]kyrpaani [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

It's sure fun to be "principled". Socialists, too, have a constant war going on what is real socialism and what is not. Same people in different disguises. Sticking with ideologies when it's much more important to care about the people.

[–]jogarz [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

You don't get it. The Republicans who refused to endorse Trump, or are now walking back their endorsements- they do care about the people. They think Trump would be a terrible President who would hurt the Republic, the Constitution, Conservatism, and yes, the people.

[–]ctrl_left [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Only the ones that have something to lose endorse Donald; usually because they have a vulnerable primary in their next re-election bid.

Ted Cruz didn't have to endorse Donald during the debates. It wasn't until Donald was near 50:50 with Hillary on FiveThirtyEight that Cruz endorsed Donald. He did so because with the polls so close, people could legitimately blame a Donald-loss on Cruz's failure to endorse him.

These are politicians. All endorsements/non-endorsements are self-serving calculations. They're not acknowledgements that "the constituency has spoken!", they don't give a shit about their constituents.

[–]kyrpaani [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

LOL, nope, they are just desperate to get some good-boy points from the media. This backstabbing shit has been seen too many times. They are willing to hand the election to Shillary, so they are nothing but traitors. Trump will win anyway though.

[–]dreamsforsale [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

. Where was the faux outrage when Bill Clinton was president?

Were you alive then? It was literally a nightly story on every media outlet for years.

[–]NeonAardvark [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Not about the more serious allegations of rape and molestation and more recently (in the last 15 years) child molestation of underage girls on board the Epstein's "Lolita Express".

[–]cakebatter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

and more recently (in the last 15 years) child molestation of underage girls on board the Epstein's "Lolita Express"

The media has been silent on this about Trump too. Probably too many powerful people to be implicated there.

[–]dreamsforsale [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Trump is also directly connected to Epstein. You knew that, right?

[–]passionlessDrone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Requires intellectual honesty.

[–]Ayn_Diarrhea_Rand [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Faux outrage, really? If it's all "Trumped up" why did Ryan disinvite him from the rally?

[–]NeonAardvark [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

The timing and release could have been coordinated with Ryan for all we know.

[–]Ayn_Diarrhea_Rand [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

As someone who is not a fan of Trump or Ryan, that is a really incredible statement.

[–]NeonAardvark [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The timing is curious, Ryan only very reluctantly, half-heartedly semi-endorsed Trump plus Ryan could easily have presidential ambitions for 2020. If Trump wins this would be impossible.

Given the vast amounts of corruption emerging from various leaks it's hard to not be sceptical about the DC establishment.

[–]Ayn_Diarrhea_Rand [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes! It is a conspiracy. It can't just be that primary voters picked a candidate with foot-in-mouth disease who uses violent language to denigrate half the U.S. population.

[–]mikejsmith6852 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

From the media- the media is acting like this is completely beyond the pale, when they actively covered up and defended similar conduct when Clinton was president.

[–]Ayn_Diarrhea_Rand [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

You can't possibly be arguing Reince Priebus and Paul Ryan are the media.

[–]mikejsmith6852 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I'm not - I'm not talking about the Republicans. This is something to be outraged about, but the media is only outraged because it's a Republican.

[–]jogarz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Uh, no, I can't see a world where these comments would ever be not scandalous, whether it came from a Republican or a Democrat.

[–]Ayn_Diarrhea_Rand [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's laughable.

[–]Mushroomfry_throw [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You really think the media was defending Bill clinton when he was impeached ? Were you a todddler at that time ?

[–]Homeless_Scrapbooker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes, because that's the choice in this election

[–]caesarfecit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It needed to be said given how this story was used to distract from yet-another brewing Clinton scandal.

[–]_SimpleJack_ 27ポイント28ポイント  (11子コメント)

I am worried more about what Hillary has done than what Trump has said.

quote from facebook dude

[–]btxpress [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

That seems a bit disingenuous, considering that Trump was talking about things he has done.

[–]narutouzLibertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I remember the Bush years where everything that George Bush said or did was vehemently defended by partisan hacks like Sean Hannity. Let's not give Trump a free pass for everything he does.

[–]juslen [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah, the years of Republicans winning and surviving two full terms. Oh the horror!

[–]DonaldDrumpf16 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I supported a lot of what George W. Bush stood for on policy, but let's be honest, he was a horribly incompetent president. He got us into a war for WMDs that didn't exist, and don't even get me started on Katrina. His failures are why we have had 8 years of Obama which will probably lead to at least 4 years of Hillary.

It would have been good at the time if a few of the Sean Hannity's of the world acknowledged his shortcomings instead of defending him no matter what, because maybe he would have been a better president if even his own people were pointing out his failings.

[–]iwingletotheleft [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

We have an election

[–]Homeless_Scrapbooker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah he's not getting a free pass on this one but I'd take him for president any day over Hillary.

[–]FuriousChef [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Melania needs to come out with a statement of support, kind of like a stand by your man moment.That would have more meaning than any scripted apology from Trump.

[–]passionlessDrone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I remember the first time Donald grabbed me by the pussy, and the last time, last night. . . .

[–]cakebatter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Isn't this what Trump is accusing Hillary of doing? Melania did release a statement, but it seems weird since that's literally Trump's line of attack against Hillary.

[–]newprofile15 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I mean according to Trump, Melania is well past check-out time.

In his interviews with Stern, Trump discussed leaving women after a certain age and dating younger women. In a 2002 appearance, Trump calls 30 "a perfect age." "Until she's 35," a co-host interjects. "What is it at 35? It's called check-out time," Trump responds.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/

Oh and don't forget to listen to Donald's thoughts about infidelity or his allusions to fucking numerous beauty pageant contestants despite the obvious conflict of interest.

Co-host Robin Quivers then asked Trump if sleeping with the contestants could be construed as a conflict of interest. "It could be a conflict of interest," Trump said. "But, you know, it's the kind of thing you worry about later, you tend to think about the conflict a little bit later on." Stern then put on a fake foreign accent, saying that "some of these foreign girls" say hello "with vagina."

"Well, what you could also say is that, as the owner of the pageant, it's your obligation to do that," Trump said, before discussing how he got away with going backstage when the contestants were naked.

[–]YepYepYeahYep [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Trump is fisting her pussy too hard right now

[–]johnyann [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Trump has to remember that you can say Cunt on TV now.

[–]billsandca [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I won't vote for any down ballot candidate that improves Hillary's chances of winning. These politicians with their fake outrage don't deserve support.

[–]ctrl_left [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Please keep true to these words!

I want the senate and the house too :P

[–]DonaldDrumpf16 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This is idiotic. Trump is going to lose no matter what, so your options are Hillary with a Democratic senate or Hillary with a Republican senate to keep her from having a blank check.

[–]billsandca [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's not idiotic. Obama currently has a blank check from Paul Ryan because of that sort of logic. If you don't hold feet to the fire, you get what we have now.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/16/paul-ryan-betrays-america-1-1-trillion-2000-plus-page-omnibus-bill-funds-fundamental-transformation-america/

[–]caesarfecit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Exactly. Republicans lose elections because they get rolled like logs over a cheap shameless and transparent stunt like this.

At least Trump knows who the traitors and cowards are now.

[–]gizayabasuTrump Conservative [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

After having taken some time to digest it, isn't the bigger damage the freakout by the GOP and playing right into the media's hand? The incident itself doesn't seem to be so bad so much as the constant airtime and all the pulling of endorsements.

[–]cakebatter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The incident itself is pretty bad. Most women have felt uncomfortable around a grabby guy before, this is a visceral real feeling women have experienced, so anyone who isn't a die-hard Trump fan will have trouble glossing over this.

But more importantly it's another question of attitude of entitlement. As a famous/rich person he feels entitled to molest women (and there have been accusations of groping), if he feels entitled to that as a rich person, what will he feel entitled to as president? When you line that up with the reports that he asked multiple times why we have nukes if we can't use them, or that he'd bomb Iranian sailors for mocking US servicemen, it plays as a guy who feels like the position of president is about giving him power to do what he wants, not a role of massive responsibility to the people and the country.

[–]DonaldDrumpf16 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think you are seriously underestimating the damage this probably will do. I'm currently volunteering and knocking on some doors for some down-ballot candidates, and I've had multiple Republican women tell me today they would be voting for Hillary. I realize this is anecdotal, but the other volunteers I talked to told me they were hearing the same thing, and I heard nothing even remotely similar to this in 2012.

I'm in Pennsylvania too, so it's not exactly a state that Trump wants to loose, the good news is the Republicans I talked to, and most of the independents didn't seem like they were going to hold Trump's statement's against Pat Toomey.