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"Trump's lewd comments about women" - Chime in! (self.RedPillWives)

BellaScarletta が 投稿

Inspired by this comment in the Free Friday thread at the suggestion of Camille - What are opinions of this new political development?

Here is my actual "free topic" post. I just had this discussion with a co-worker right now. To be clear, I'm not starting a political debate. I do not support Trump. I do not like Trump. I do not support Hillary. I do not like Hillary. That being said, this article/video is going around on Mr. Trump, and everyone is up in arms. As much as I dislike the man, this video isn't upsetting to me at all. This is the following discussion and I think the points I'm making are very RP and wondering if others agree or disgree (whether or not they support him as a candidate). I'm B and my male coworker is M.

M [15:54] did you hear the clip? LOLOL this guy. he released a statement on it.

"This was locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago,"

B [15:56] Honestly I'm inclined to agree. I didn't think it was that bad. And I agree with his defense...As much as I hate that

M [15:56] LOL idk its pretty bad. i mean that was just a segment and if you read the article he just got married not too long before that clip then to turn around and say you were hitting on a married woman. idk i mean the right always talks about core family values, if there foreal with that then this will be a pretty big hit

B [15:58] Yeah but it's small potatoes compared to his other stuff

M [15:58] i mean in the rest of the clip he says he doesnt even wait hell grab them by the pussy LOL thats bad even if not surprising

M [16:04] https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/56dqes/megathread_donald_trump_leaked_comments_from_2005/?sort=top

B [16:06] I don't think this guy should be running for president. But I didn't think that before either. I don't think that's the worst thing a person can say, and I really don't blame him for saying some fucked up shit in a private conversation. I've said worse than that before.

M [16:07] but hes talking about what hes done..you dont wait to go up to a guy and grab emm by the dick

B [16:09] And no. I don't. But do I think there is a demographic of women who won't protest (and will even enjoy) if a rich famous man walks up and grabs their genitals? Definitely. I don't think he even meant "every women ever would be okay with this". Just he spends time with the trash that does. So he does it.

So yeah. If I was a rich famous guy that could do that, I probably would. The fact that he's done these things..I would call that un-presidential, but everyone has done "un-presidential" things and who knows who among us may one day run. Saying them? I fault him 0 points for. It was lockerroom banter and if someone recorded a discussion with my friends, I could say a lot that would rule out many future opportunities for me. I think we all do that in private.

This situation just isn't that offensive to me.

Thoughts?

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[–]ibelieveinalias32; married 4 years 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Following your lead and staying away from political ramifications:

I think it smacks - as so much of his behavior does - of over-compensatory, insecure tendencies.

A secure, mature, genuinely alpha man - especially one who has decided to get married - does not feel the need to flaunt his infidelities (if he is prone to infidelities) to win the approval of men he barely knows. Why should Mr. Trump have cared at all what Billy Bush's opinion of him or his prowess was? By seeking Bush's approval, Mr. Trump degraded himself and lowered his own status to someone who Bush could even deign to disapprove of.

And Mr. Trump does this kind of thing all the time, which is why I think he's terribly insecure and over-compensating for it. It's also why he can't bear any insult - he'll chase after it via Twitter until he's exhausted himself. I find it immensely unattractive.

As for whether women would feel flattered by being grabbed without warning by a man simply because of his wealth or celebrity, I think that depends entirely on the woman. And given that he was meeting many of these women in a professional capacity (he had this conversation while touring a set for a television show), they didn't have a choice in the matter, and were not seeing Mr. Trump socially, so we cannot assume they were the "trash" as you put it, that might view such attention as a ticket to gold-digging success.

Many of them, quite likely, put up with the behavior because they had to in order to maintain their jobs; he was in a position of significant relative power (especially if he was the visiting "talent" and certainly because of his net worth) - I suspect the fact that he can't be sure that these women actually wanted his attention or merely tolerated it because they had to has a lot to do with his need to brag about how much he could get away with afterwards; the groping itself wasn't enough to satisfy him, because he didn't feel approval from the woman, so he's getting that approval from the audience he brags to about it afterward.

Is the fact that he was having a vulgar conversation surprising to me? No.

Is the fact that he is approval-seeking from anyone and everyone and has essentially zero self-control surprising to me? No; he's demonstrated that for years, and only more obviously as he's received more air-time.

Are these basic traits in anyone displeasing to me? Yes, and Mr. Trump is no exception. I find him generally dissatisfactory.

I'm not sure how to answer your question about the exchange being "offensive." It was, but mostly because this man purports to represent the party of Eisenhower. (And now I shall stop before I break my promise not to get political.)

[–]BellaScarletta[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with most of this. His entire conduct is what I don't respect, but how he speaks to other men in private conversation doesn't make the list of things I care about.

I don't find him to be alpha, and I do find his behaviour validation-seeking and generally cringeworthy. But I also don't think it makes him all the things he's being accused of.

As far as the woman being in positions where they didn't have space to dissent (professional, fear for their jobs or similar)....I just don't feel I can comment on that. I don't know if he was around woman that enjoyed it or didn't, and I don't know if they had the space to say no if they wanted to or not. But do I believe he's been around women who would very much have enjoyed it? Yes. Do I believe he's been around women who would very much have said or wanted to say no? Yes. What he did with each camp...I can't say. But this exchange isn't evidence to me.

[–]littleeggwyfEarly 30s, Married, 9 years total 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't really find it offensive, because powerful rich men and politicians act like that, there's no real shock. Like it's basically expected. I don't like it, but I didn't like Trump as a person before, and if I was an American I wouldn't probably change my vote over this.

To me it's weird people pretending to be shocked that Trump would act like this, obviously he does!

[–]BellaScarletta[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

These are my feelings.

If it did happen - A rich and powerful man has woman that will fall all over him? Noooooo, you don't say.

If it didn't happen - A man made sexual comments in a private conversation? Noooooo, you don't say.

[–]QueenBee126Early 20s/Single 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My two cents:

Democrats whine about Trump’s locker room banter which opens floodgates to Hillary and Bill Clinton’s ACTUAL treatment of women. Trump wins, persuasion wise.

Same with tax returns.

RP Note - This isn't about redpill, this is about an election. He leaked it himself, classic persuasion/behavioral psychology.

[–]Sunhappy_DC 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I simply repost what I posted on facebook:

I'm genuinely confused. Trump says a very disgusting comment about women 10+ years ago, breaking no laws, and the national GOP want to NOW remove themselves from supporting him. Bill Clinton is accused of sexual violence against multiple women spanning 30 years and Hillary has been accused of scrubbing these allegations to support him, and somehow that barely makes a dent on the Sunday morning news shows. Both are disgusting, but one is gross commentary from a decade ago and the other occurred while someone was sitting in a gubernatorial seat and eventually, while in the White House. Why such uneven disparity in the media outrage?

[–]QueenBee126Early 20s/Single 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep!

[–]BellaScarletta[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agree fully. Both parties just push whichever agenda is most convenient for them at that specific moment, with no regard for hypocrisy. Even look at The Obama/Cruz birth certificate controversies. Now I think both those events were idiotic in the first place, but it goes to show it's all about what benefits your party most right then and there. The democrats don't care they have no room to talk on this issue.

[–]StingrayVC 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't care.

[–]BellaScarletta[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol wise words. I don't understand the outburst. Well, I do...but it's the same reactions that fuel the whole age of offendedness business.

[–]HappyLollie 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm from the UK so I find your election year fascinating it seems you have a a choice of two evils this time round! Trump is an idiot but this sounded like locker room banter to me, the man is a billionaire and generally he could realistically afford the most beautiful women for the night to a man like that everyone has a price whether or not they choose to take it is another thing. I don't like Hillary she's a liar but I still think she has a better understanding of politics than Trump therefore a safer bet, my worry would be with Trumps lack of political know how and his never ending ways of offending more people as he goes along.

[–]BellaScarletta[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This pretty much sums up my feelings. I find neither of them presidential in the slightest. I think Hillary does understand the arena better but trusting her to navigate within it is a different story. Trump I wouldn't trust with a butter knife.

[–]CoochQuarantine10 months yay 👍💘💏💫✨💫 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Boys will be boys.

[–]BellaScarletta[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right? It was clearly hyperbolic and even if it wasn't, something something about consenting adults. I seriously doubt he meant he actually grabbed an unwilling woman by the pussy, and the people making out this talk as evidence are pushing a paper thin agenda.

I've said far more lewd comments in private company. It was just banter.