The comment that started it all: Can someone explain to me why a user from r/AsianFeminism is welcome to cherry pick and overgeneralize this subreddit as "toxic masculinity", but the reverse (eg. linking some stupid posts from r/AF) is forbidden?
Another /r/AI user responds, "Pro-Asian Male focusing subs like r/aznidentity are going to have more woke Asians. Asian males are worse off in White Reality than Asian females.
An /r/AI mod responds, "R/AF wasn't always like this. In fact, their mods won't want to admit it to their membership, but r/AI played a role in encouraging the creation of that sub, its setup, and advertising to assist it in gaining membership. What changed between then and now? I don't think we've changed much."
/r/AF mod steps in to respond, "What r/AI won't want to admit to its users is that I did not ask for the advertising in the first place and asked you to pull the ads when I found out. You ignored my request but eventually realized the ads weren't meeting your goals anyways, then went behind my back whining about how we wasted your money."
/r/AI mod retorts, "The sub has been fairly clear that this is a space for Asian men, but allowing for Asian women who are allies. And to-date we've enforced that. In the past few days, you've called AI members "scum", "dross" and described our community as being about "circlejerking" and "rageporn". That doesn't seem like an ally to me, does it?"
Here is a good place to point out the sidebar of /r/aznidentity:
/r/AI is a Pan-Asian community that puts asians first ; one that is against the effect of mainstream subconscious bias against Asians, media discrimination, the Bamboo Ceiling that frustrates Asian advancement, but especially the emasculation of Asian men. Asian men of this generation have a historic opportunity to fight for change in the West.
So, /r/AI is a Pan-Asian community that puts asian (men) first. Back to the drama.
/r/AF mod gets fed up and posts a huge timeline of Asian American reddit gender war drama: Long overdue...Let's get this story straight. It contains yummy snippets like:
I was then told very definitively by arcterex that Kulture's main focus was not on "fringe" demographics (lovingly dubbed "the LGBQtrans-amputee-quadriplegic-vegan-glutenfree-lactoseintolerant Asians") but was squarely on Asian men.
In fact, later on it was stated publicly: "It is just that we have to refocus on Asian man and stop constantly tending to their [AFs'] sensibilities. As the group that is under much heavier oppression in this white male dominated system, we need to wipe our ass first."
Somewhere around this time, pbw, current mod on /r/AI, confronts me in the Asian Identity slack and demands that I answer his questions about the /r/AsianAmerican moderation team (I had recently become a trial mod), namely "Do the women call all the shots and push the guys around?" (in much less polite language). I made the mistake of engaging him and answered, "No, it's not like that at all," but did not feel obligated to provide any further information. Of course, he didn't like my answer, and threw a huge tantrum in my PMs as well as in the main channel of that slack. His tantrum invoked a group conversation moderated by the-then AI slack mod team (which overlapped with but was not composed of exactly the same individuals as the AI sub mod team) in which he insulted me and asked me to leave the slack chat (without having any authority to do so), then backpedaled, as he stated "we don't want to be the ones to kick out one of the most pro-AM AFs there are." Arcterex joined in on the conversation, lamenting the wasted $$ on reddit ads and how /r/AF was so far from his vision (???).
Now, another /r/AI mod has jumped into the fray, "I'm one of the mods at rAI. I understand your frustrations. I wish you tried something different. If the person you were trying to reach could not be reached, perhaps you could have tried reaching an intermediary?"
/r/AF mod responds, "That intermediary would have been you. You and I have had extensive private conversations about all of the issues above, multiple times over the past year. You told me that there was only so much you can do---and I know you made your best effort, and I truly appreciate it---due to arcterex's leadership style and purse strings."
Stay tuned for more!…
Abbreviations:
Background:
- Kulture is an "Asian-American media watchdog" group which focuses on the emasculation of Asian men in the media to the point of being transphobic (e.g. their review of Mr. Robot: "Hacking the Asian Male to Pieces", which states, "Finally, BD Wong plays the elusive White Rose, head of the group of Chinese hackers known as the Dark Army. He is a transgender woman. The message is clear. Asian men in hollywood must not portray traditional masculine traits such as strength, leadership, honor, or even be classified as a man.").
- "The great schism of /r/AM" is when some users split off into /r/AI, some stayed in /r/AM, and then somewhere along the way, /r/asianbros was created as well.
- "AF-AM relations" (Asian female-Asian male relations), "pro-AM AFs" (Asian females who are pro-Asian male), etc. refer to drama in, primarily, AA reddit that stems from Asian women often marrying white men ("marrying out"), which is thought to be indicative of Asian women's privilege and the oppression of Asian men. Because of their "undesirability", AMs in AA reddit believe they're the most oppressed. This obviously pits them against AFs in AA reddit, many of whom are feminists (who believe that women and gender minorities are oppressed).
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