Waffen SS dedicated thread :)

[AnorexicBuddha]

This is a dedicated thread in response to the devs decision to exclude the Waffen SS from the game...

The devs stance:

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For the record. We will NOT be including anything to do with the SS in Battalion 1944. We felt it would be distasteful, specifically for the actions of certain SS units and the deserved negative connotations that came with it.

Sorry if this disappoints any of you but it will still be an awesome game despite this! I look forward to discussing this idea of daily rewards with the team!

Tuna

My response: 

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So does this mean that the Waffen SS will not be included?

The devs response:

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No dude. We will NOT be including any reference to ANY SS division in Battalion 1944  

My response: 

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 have been sitting on this one for a while. The Waffen SS were the fighting troops of the SS. They were not the black uniformed SS they everyone thinks when they here the term "SS". They were the main fighting forces in almost every battle that you guys plan to use in this game. There were bad things done by every faction in the war. It´s history. No matter how ugly it may be we can´t act like it never happened. COD had them. MOH had them. Who cried out then? They have been portrayed in almost every WWII movie about the European Theatre. Who cried out then? How different would Band of Brothers been if all the battles with the Waffen SS had been omitted from the series? I can tell you this...that would have been a very short series. There´s a new movie called "Dunkirk" coming out...The devs have tweeted out about it....guess who was the force that was fighting the British...the Waffen SS. Is anyone boycotting it? So do we now exclude them from the game because it´s the "politically correct" thing to do? In the same sense then shouldn´t all Nazi flags be omitted from the game seeing as that was the symbol of the Nazi party which was led by Hitler, the man that ordered the extermination of millions of people? You can´t delete history by omitting them and you don´t glorify anyone by including them.

 

Waffen SS (The ones that fought)

https://historyimages.blogspot.com.br/2012/08/waffen-ss-in-action-rare-pictures.html

SS 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniforms_and_insignia_of_the_Schutzstaffel#/media/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-2008-0276,_Hans_Heinrich_Lammers.jpg

And my next response to the fact that all sides in the war committed war crimes:

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If you watch Band of Brothers and read more into the history the 101st AB then you will see that Lt. Spiers executed German prisoners of war which was against the Geneva convention. So do we now exclude the Airborne divisions from the game?

Or how about we also exclude any of these troops for their war crimes? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II

http://listverse.com/2012/12/14/top-10-allied-war-crimes-of-world-war-ii/

A little bit of history knowledge and a lot less blanket stereotyping goes a long way.

Now someone give me a legitimate reason why they are being omitted and please tell me that the Allies didn´t do anything "distasteful" as well....

Edited August 19 by AnorexicBuddha

[turpz]

If you want to talk about legitimacy .The wehrmacht were a much respected army and very competent and effective adversary to the allied troops. Don't just take my word for it.

The 'distasteful' SS on the other hand.... what a bunch of total c*nts. They don't deserver to be in any video game. 

[AnorexicBuddha]

There´s this stigma associated with the term "SS" that people have when they don´t truly know history. The SS was made up of different components. 

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"The two main constituent groups were the Allgemeine SS (General SS) and Waffen-SS (Armed SS). The Allgemeine SS was responsible for enforcing the racial policy of Nazi Germany and general policing, whereas the Waffen-SS consisted of combat units of troops within Nazi Germany's military." 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel

 

[[DEV] BRAMMERTRON]

The desperation to excuse and play as the SS is worrying, whether the units fighting on the ground "weren't that bad" or not, that specific group of soldiers were also responsible for doing the blood work of the murder of millions of innocent people. 

Frankly, I speak for all of bulkhead interactive when I say, we have absolutely 0 interest in including the SS or any references to the SS in Battalion 1944. All sides committed major atrocities, I've been to Dachau concentration camp a strangely high 6 times. Feel free to debate and discuss the SS and the topic, but it will change absolutely nothing in Battalion 1944.

 

Sorry, but we won't be tarnishing the name of Battalion or making our developers associate their names and put their names on work that encourages people to play as the SS.

Joe

 

 

 

[Znidy]

I don't care if Waffen SS will be in the game or not. Every side committed atrocities during WW2 and we should look at the war from it's historical side, whether it's written in books, shot on film, recreated in a movie or game or any other form of media.

Yes, it is somewhat distasteful to play as a certain side in a WW2 game and if the devs decided to exclude certain battalions from the game, that's their decision and we should all respect that decision. There's always that fear that certain players in MP would use that to promote their extremism (trust me, as an experienced player, I've seen a lot of those players who abuse that, especially in old Call of Duty games). I am certainly not an extremist of any kind, but I appreciate and have the full respect to everything related to WW2.

I just want to say that I respect the devs decision, even though it loses some historical accuracy. But, including Wehrmacht, which was respected by the enemy and other units, like Fallschirmjagers, Volksgrenadiers, Panzergrenadiers etc. still wouldn't be that bad and would not tarnish the game in any way. And yes, 101st Airborne stumbled upon Fallschirmjagers when they attacked Carentan (not to mention they defended Hill 30 against the SS Panzer Divisions, but those won't be included in the game).

I know everyone tries to be PC these days, but they forget that there are smart people, people that don't dwell on extremism and who respect what World War 2 (for ALL sides) and who love historical accuracy in any type of media when it comes to that war, but hey... Those wounds somehow still feel very fresh and laws still exist that ban certain stuff in games (you cannot sell any WW2 game in Germany if there are ANY Nazi insignia inside the game, just a note to our devs).

To sum things up, I support the devs in their decision, even though it loses some degree of historical accuracy. But it's their decision and we, as players, should respect it

[Soldat Ryan]

@[DEV] BRAMMERTRON, that's mean we won't play on "oradour-sur-glane" map where nice SS executed all civilians from the village or an Auschwitz map ? ... and plz Do not add US troops, because their interference allowed the fall of the 3rd Reich. (sarcasm)

@AnorexicBuddha, you defend your position only by the fact both side made "distasteful" acts. Come on, it was WAR ! It will be childish to think the war does not make victims or is clean. 
Soon you will tell us : "You should add SS stuff because whithout their dirty doctrine the war would not have occurred and we couldn't play video game on WW2 theaters."

Battlalion1944 is a video game, not a reconstitution. DEVs don't want to associate their name with any kind of Nazi things, i m ok with their decision (it is not hard to understand ! )

BR.

Edited August 20 by Soldat Ryan

[Dogster]

I am only guessing as I don't know Buddha personally but I feel his point is well made , the second you decide to exclude a group ,whatever that group is you open the gates for someone else to be offended. The Russians were not known for their mercy., the American bombing of Japan But are we  going to exclude them.? My uncle was killed by the Japanese in a pow camp will they be in? British bombing of Dresden the list goes on and on...War is war, but now we seem to live in a world where we have to edit the bits we don't like to talk about but if that's the case  you gotta ask why make a game about war in the first place if you find its content uncomfortable? 

Im not trying to upset anyone here I am just making an observation.

[AnorexicBuddha]

There´s no desperation on my part about playing as the SS. It´s more about a game that´s supposed to be set in history where iconic battles are being portrayed but certain parts are being left out in the name of "political correctness". Nobody is asking you to glorify the actions of the SS or any other faction in the war. Isn´t killing any other human "distasteful"? Someone please tell Steven Spielberg that somebody slipped the Waffen SS into his movies and into his creation (Medal of Honor series). Nazi flags omitted from the game confirmed...kappa

 

“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.” 
― George Orwell

Edited August 20 by AnorexicBuddha

[Nikolumsen]

6 hours ago, Dogster said:

I am only guessing as I don't know Buddha personally but I feel his point is well made , the second you decide to exclude a group ,whatever that group is you open the gates for someone else to be offended. The Russians were not known for their mercy., the American bombing of Japan But are we  going to exclude them.? My uncle was killed by the Japanese in a pow camp will they be in? British bombing of Dresden the list goes on and on...War is war, but now we seem to live in a world where we have to edit the bits we don't like to talk about but if that's the case  you gotta ask why make a game about war in the first place if you find its content uncomfortable? 

Im not trying to upset anyone here I am just making an observation.

There are many things in history, which are left out of the general narratives for many reasons. Some of those things you already pointed out and I agree that you shouldn't be selective about history, because that would undermine its main premise of being unbiased.

But I actually agree with the devs on this one - they're in their right to omit certain elements from the game, because it is just that - a game. I would love for the game to be as historically accurate as possible, but even if it's not going to be I'm still going to play the sh*t out it.
   A lot of video games has something to offer when it comes to living history, and that should be the main purpose of a game - but it shouldn't be seen or understood as a source for historical understanding and perception; there are other types of media made specifically for that. 
I understand that in this case the game offers for one to relive history and that is soo awesome and one of the biggest reasons I'm going to play it, but it offers more a personal experience in a given context rather than the context itself, which I think is perfect with it being a game. 

I mean, yeah, with Nazi symbolism being omitted from the game it kinda serves like a moral compass in certain ways, but that's totally fine for a video game. Personally, I don't mind and I'm still looking forward to playing Battalion 1944 even though it won't be 100% historically accurate.

[AnorexicBuddha]

2 minutes ago, Nikolumsen said:

I mean, yeah, with Nazi symbolism being omitted from the game it kinda serves like a moral compass in certain ways, but that's totally fine for a video game. Personally, I don't mind and I'm still looking forward to playing Battalion 1944 even though it won't be 100% historically accurate.

Buts that´s the thing....they are being selective with what they are omitting. I have proven that the Waffen SS wasn´t the same as the rest of the SS:

17 hours ago, AnorexicBuddha said:

"The two main constituent groups were the Allgemeine SS (General SS) and Waffen-SS (Armed SS). The Allgemeine SS was responsible for enforcing the racial policy of Nazi Germany and general policing, whereas the Waffen-SS consisted of combat units of troops within Nazi Germany's military." 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel

They included Nazi symbolism in the game. Have a look at the reveal trailer and you will see the Nazi flag draped on the sides of the buildings:

It´s hypocritical to say that the Waffen SS shouldn´t be in the game because of the actions of the SS but to include the Nazi banner.

[Nikolumsen]

50 minutes ago, AnorexicBuddha said:

It´s hypocritical to say that the Waffen SS shouldn´t be in the game because of the actions of the SS but to include the Nazi banner.

I get where you're coming from, but I also get that the devs have to incorporate some elements of historical authenticity into the game - in this case being the swastika. It would weird if the swastika was left out and the Waffen SS was in the game; it wouldn't have the same feel to it as a WW2 game.

Edited August 20 by Nikolumsen

[mrvpixel]

Am I the only one who getting nothing of this discussion?

[y!NMastah]

On 20-8-2016 at 8:40 PM, mrvpixel said:

Am I the only one who getting nothing of this discussion?

OP is wondering why Devs made the decision to leave out a certain fighting force that embodied a large part of the actions the german Wehrmacht saw, based on the fact their name is associated with  (read, division of) an organisation that committed atrocities. Even though this fighting force was no different than any other fighting force at either sides of the conflict.

Devs explained why and that should be it.
Between the lines you can read that from commercial point of view it is not wise to link associates and partners of Battalion 1944 to above mentioned organisations which are globally seen as 'wrong'.

As long as they just keep in the Swastika's (which were originally old german symbols) for the sake of immersion, i'm fine with that decision which are totally legit in a way.

Edited August 22 by y!NMastah

[Oldboy]

On 20/08/2016 at 2:35 AM, [DEV] BRAMMERTRON said:

The desperation to excuse and play as the SS is worrying, whether the units fighting on the ground "weren't that bad" or not, that specific group of soldiers were also responsible for doing the blood work of the murder of millions of innocent people. 

Frankly, I speak for all of bulkhead interactive when I say, we have absolutely 0 interest in including the SS or any references to the SS in Battalion 1944. All sides committed major atrocities, I've been to Dachau concentration camp a strangely high 6 times. Feel free to debate and discuss the SS and the topic, but it will change absolutely nothing in Battalion 1944.

 

Sorry, but we won't be tarnishing the name of Battalion or making our developers associate their names and put their names on work that encourages people to play as the SS.

Joe

 

I'm totally fine with this stance. However I would add there is a very clear difference to the Waffen SS and the regular SS despite falling under the same organisational umbrella you could say.

However I do respect the Dev decision not to include them. The Waffen SS only really fought against the British and Canadians in Normandy so they don't need to be included for the US vs Wehr maps.

Edited August 22 by Oldboy
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[[DEV] BRAMMERTRON]

Right this is nothing to do with political correctness. So get that out of your head now and don't bring it up, because its irrelevant. I'm from Coventry and I have my own connections to the war and the damage done by the war.

The desperation to play as the SS is still disturbing. It's a game not a war simulator, this is not a realism focused game, its a theatrical representation of paintball. Like most shooters. 

A few of you quote; Churchill's bombing of Dresden, the US atom bomb, and the Japanese POW camps, The Russians... 

Well again, irrelevant because none of this is in the game.
The Nuremburg Trials found the Waffen SS and the Allgemeine SS to be a criminal organisation. Not the army of the people. The SS are an organisation where the entry requirements pre-1943 required you to be Aryan.

 

We're including the Swastika because its a symbol of one of the factions. But we're not including the SS. We aren't picking and choosing at history because this isn't a historical documentary, it's a game. A multiplayer first person shooter game, not a tactical realism or WW2 experience game, it's about gamers playing with and against each other in a theatrical set.
Not about promoting the worlds biggest atrocities.

This is an argument that can be picked apart and be dissected quite easily, so don't waste the effort trying because this won't be changing.

We revealed the M1 Garand because the community showed the devs a tremendous amount of patience and respect; this post makes me feel like 'SOME' not all but some of the people here are forgetting that respect. 
It's nothing to do with money or commercialisation; it's about asking our developers to put their names onto a piece of work, that they (myself included) don't want to put our names to. 

Thank you for raising the debate, I won't lock the thread because I'm 100% pro open discussion, we'll answer questions on the SS on our next livestream if that interests everyone? 
But for now, please respect our decision.

Joe

[[DEV] BRAMMERTRON]

Again; sorry if this comes across as harsh, I understand the slight hiphypocrisy of showing the swastika but not the SS. I'm open to discuss it and I'll leave this at I'm 95% sure we won't be having the SS. 

Prove me wrong though, open to genuine reasons to have it.

[Znidy]

20 minutes ago, Oldboy said:

 

I'm totally fine with this stance. However I would add there is a very clear difference to the Waffen SS and the regular SS despite falling under the same organisational umbrella you could say.

However I do respect the Dev decision not to include them. The Waffen SS only really fought against the British and Canadians in Normandy so they don't need to be included for the US vs Wehr maps.

U.S., British and Canadian forces fought against SS Panzer battalions as well. Just remember that 17th SS Panzer division counterattacked Carentan on D-Day+8. Russian also fought against SS Panzer Divisions (notably the 1st SS Panzer division and the dreaded Totenkopfverde, known as Death's Head unit).

2 minutes ago, [DEV] BRAMMERTRON said:

Right this is nothing to do with political correctness. So get that out of your head now and don't bring it up, because its irrelevant. I'm from Coventry and I have my own connections to the war and the damage done by the war.

The desperation to play as the SS is still disturbing. It's a game not a war simulator, this is not a realism focused game, its a theatrical representation of paintball. Like most shooters. 

A few of you quote; Churchill's bombing of Dresden, the US atom bomb, and the Japanese POW camps, The Russians... 

Well again, irrelevant because none of this is in the game.
The Nuremburg Trials found the Waffen SS and the Allgemeine SS to be a criminal organisation. Not the army of the people. The SS are an organisation where the entry requirements pre-1943 required you to be Aryan.

 

We're including the Swastika because its a symbol of one of the factions. But we're not including the SS. We aren't picking and choosing at history because this isn't a historical documentary, it's a game. A multiplayer first person shooter game, not a tactical realism or WW2 experience game, it's about gamers playing with and against each other in a theatrical set.
Not about promoting the worlds biggest atrocities.

This is an argument that can be picked apart and be dissected quite easily, so don't waste the effort trying because this won't be changing.

We revealed the M1 Garand because the community showed the devs a tremendous amount of patience and respect; this post makes me feel like 'SOME' not all but some of the people here are forgetting that respect. 
It's nothing to do with money or commercialisation; it's about asking our developers to put their names onto a piece of work, that they (myself included) don't want to put our names to. 

Thank you for raising the debate, I won't lock the thread because I'm 100% pro open discussion, we'll answer questions on the SS on our next livestream if that interests everyone? 
But for now, please respect our decision.

Joe

I respect your decision to the point. I come from Croatia and our government and its opposition still fight with the Partisans vs. Ustaša and their atrocities during the war and after the war. Ustaša's fought on the side of the Germans and had their own legion known as "Crna legija" (translated as Black Legion) and they were almost similar to the SS and Waffen SS. But many Croatians fought with the Wehrmacht and had their own units, like the  Verstärkten (Kroatisches) Infanterie Regimente 369 and was part of the Wehrmacht (you can look it up, it's a historical fact).

We just want the game, I don't care which units will be in it. And I support your decision in regards to everything

 

[Farq-S]

i respect the devs decision to omit all reference to the SS but I ask is there a particular group of people who have a specific objection to the Waffen SS? i can only go by the world at war documentaries and other historic material that the Waffen SS were respected by the allied forces for their actions on the battlefield. is the SS symbol banned in germany like the swastika is? (genuine question as i honestly don't know). Bat44 is about the action on the battlefield not the concentration camps or the jewish ghettos or the "resettlement of the jews which every decent human being rightly finds abhorrent. to my knowledge the Waffen SS operated on the battlefield and nowhere else. why is their inclusion in Bat44 any less valid than any other fighting force in WW2? people acknowledge there is a clear and obvious distinction between the wehrmacht and the nazi party. does that distinction not extend to the SS and Waffen SS?

[Nikolumsen]

3 minutes ago, Farq-S said:

i respect the devs decision to omit all reference to the SS but I ask is there a particular group of people who have a specific objection to the Waffen SS? i can only go by the world at war documentaries and other historic material that the Waffen SS were respected by the allied forces for their actions on the battlefield. is the SS symbol banned in germany like the swastika is? (genuine question as i honestly don't know). Bat44 is about the action on the battlefield not the concentration camps or the jewish ghettos or the "resettlement of the jews which every decent human being rightly finds abhorrent. to my knowledge the Waffen SS operated on the battlefield and nowhere else. why is their inclusion in Bat44 any less valid than any other fighting force in WW2? people acknowledge there is a clear and obvious distinction between the wehrmacht and the nazi party. does that distinction not extend to the SS and Waffen SS?

Soldiers in the Waffen SS were schooled in Nazi ideology a long with their combat training - at least untill 1943. They where tought why the Aryan race was superior and so forth. Whether it the schooling affected every soldier is impossible to say, but the intention was to make the Waffen SS a Nazi fighting force.

Soldiers in the Waffen SS, who were unfit to fight on the front lines due to injuries etc., would sometimes be transferred to concentration camps, and as Joe pointed out - both the Waffen SS and Allgemeine SS were deemed criminal organisations at the Nürnberg Trials. 

[Farq-S]

right, got it. i understand completely why all reference to the SS is excluded. again, i respect the devs decision either way.

[Znidy]

39 minutes ago, Farq-S said:

right, got it. i understand completely why all reference to the SS is excluded. again, i respect the devs decision either way.

All military SS divisions and regiments were schooled in the Nazi politics and they were also tasked with clearing out enemies who didn't fit that ideology after battles and skirmishes when the Wehrmacht, Waffen SS and other units won those battles/skirmishes.

You can see what I mean by that in the movie Brestskaya Krepost in the end and in the German mini-series Unsere Mutter Unsere Vater. I suppose that's why they're being omitted from the game.

[MercenaryFury]

One thing people have to remember on something like this especially if your a History nut, Though this is something in the past and that's why it is called History and we can read and learn from it, many has had family heritage to fall to such horrible deeds, can be very disturbing to some.

[Wolf Enstein]

You're fighting a losing battle here, Buddha, trust me, I know only too well from experience what I'm talking about. You've got some courage to post what you did in a public forum and you'll always have my respect and support for that. I also agree with everything that you said and I don't give a damn what the Nurmberg hypocrites and their "kangaroo court" said about anything either. I've researched WW2 for over 10 years, I know who really started it, why they started it and what their "end-game" is. It's truly horrifying when you learn the actual truth and bypass the idiotic "hollywood" version of "history". The Waffen SS are and always will be my favourite fighting force of any war. They were the best of the best, as far as I'm concerned.

However, we have to respect Joe and his Devteam's decision not to include them. The flak they would receive from some quarters would be immense, the main weapon of these thugs is psychological intimidation, a very powerful weapon indeed. We no longer live in a society where freedom of speech, thought, expression are the permitted, those days have long-gone. Anyway, as I said earlier, we'll have the Waffen SS in Battalion via modding, that's for sure, there's so many units to choose from too. It doesn't matter if you were black, white, Christian or Muslim, German or not, the chances are there's a was Waffen SS volunteer unit from your country:

Waffen SS Freies Indien:

Waffen SS Handschar:

Waffen SS British Free Corps:

There's so many more to choose from, it's surprising just how many folk are unaware of that fact.

Edited August 26 by Wolf Enstein
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[RLpacifist]

On 20.8.2016 at 3:35 AM, [DEV] BRAMMERTRON said:

... Frankly, I speak for all of bulkhead interactive when I say, we have absolutely 0 interest in including the SS or any references to the SS in Battalion 1944. All sides committed major atrocities, I've been to Dachau concentration camp a strangely high 6 times. Feel free to debate and discuss the SS and the topic, but it will change absolutely nothing in Battalion 1944.

Sorry, but we won't be tarnishing the name of Battalion or making our developers associate their names and put their names on work that encourages people to play as the SS.

Joe

 

First off I’d like to admit that I felt kind of relieved when I read the above reply of Joe, since it seemed to finally let us know the official stance of Bulkhead  - clear and solid - to this very debate.

Unfortunately, there’s an unease already crawling up my spine again, considering how it all got a little washy and wonky just a few posts further down the road:

On 22.8.2016 at 1:28 PM, [DEV] BRAMMERTRON said:

Again; sorry if this comes across as harsh, I understand the slight hiphypocrisy of showing the swastika but not the SS. I'm open to discuss it and I'll leave this at I'm 95% sure we won't be having the SS. ...

Well, see here for my suggestion to solve this dilemma and read the following for this discussion in paritcular:

 

In general, I actually do understand that people happen to question where to draw the line and that omitting the Waffen-SS may seem like a rather random decision at first glance. Though, I do hope I’ll manage to explain why I and the history books, for that matter, do not consider those very troops regular military units.

The whole SS-idea was born from Hitler’s desire to have his personal, fully reliable, that is, loyal-to-the-death troops, which would operate right to his orders without hesitation and doubt. SS recruits had to undergo a strict ideological education, regardless to which subdivision they may have been deployed later on. They needed to proof themselves Aryans. They were propaganda fed all way through until in fact, they were believing they were specimen of a superior race. They believed that in fact, there were groups of humans, that were worth less than cattle and any living space those may occupy, has to be cleaned of those. They got indoctrinated, that it was them to wipe those lower races away and they did obey the orders given, no matter what. Some of those are still defending their cases up to today, without the glimpse of regret or comprehension.

In short, armies are trained for war. The SS was trained for extinction.

And that’s what really cuts it, in my book. The sole purpose of the Waffen-SS was to have loyal butchers at the front, doing what the Wehrmacht wouldn’t have done, in order to already cleanse the conquered lands in the east from people that a ‘righteous’ SS-man wouldn’t even have considered a human being and would have carried out his orders accordingly.

To anyone who may trouble to get the idea and still believes it was all so long ago and history anyway: Look at what the ISIS is today. A group of indoctrinated people, considering their strict and merciless interpretation of the Islam to be the only acceptable and anything that does not subordinate to be unworthy and a ‘free’ kill for any religious warrior coming by. Now, one could argue, that there might be parts of this ‘militia’ that look a lot like regular military units, and those may in fact not have committed any decapitations in person and there are really tough fighters. Sure, the NATO has caused their share of crimes by sending drones and bombs over civilians. Doesn’t this balance out either side’s cruelties, somehow?

So, do we – as a society, as players – really want to have those fighters be resembled within games, like CS:GO, the black flag of ISIS waving from every corner and a big fat ‘allāhu akbar’ prompt right across the scoreboard, whenever the terrorist have won a round? Are we O.K. with that?

 

Edited August 23 by RLpacifist

[[NGBC]CH_SwissWolf]

I think that the discussion have some good and interesting points. Not sure that youngs know the difference between SS and the Waffen-SS, for example.

Anyway, I think that the DEV position is clear and I understand them.

Into each war context, and into WW2 too, we will see many divisions. We speak fast always about the "famous one" but the fights was make between others divisions too.

Now, most persons will just make a bad association with the "SS" abbreviation, and it will be difficult to sell the game in Germany.

Personally I think that we can play without problem as Jäger too:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_Jäger_Division_(Wehrmacht)

Or an other one (just check this list and you will have a good idea of the different "opportunities": https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_divisions_in_World_War_II)

 

As say:

1) "SS" in each name take for each of us a bad connotation (Probably if a player come on your server with a name like SSMyLittleName probably you will ban/kick/invite them to change name/contact them to know what the SS mean... anyway you will make something that you will not make for MyLittleName).

2) Difficulty to sell the game in Germany

 

Well, I think that we have many others possible divisions as German Faction, and Battalion can perhaps teach us some details about this others divisions, surely without give us a worste game.

Edited August 23 by [NGBC]CH_SwissWolf