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Ex-mod of /r/bravefrontier reveals moderation team took payments of ingame currency from the publisher to promote the subreddit (np.reddit.com)

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[–]phedreYour tone seems very pointed right now. 123ポイント124ポイント  (28子コメント)

Ohhh shit. This is gonna be good.

Edit: I mod a gaming subreddit and we've had (completely baseless) accusations of taking payments before. Even a HINT of that kind of thing is enough to cause drama for days. Actual verifiable proof? The butter's gonna flow.

[–]CoachingPikachu[S] 29ポイント30ポイント  (9子コメント)

haha I moderate a much smaller subreddit. Thankfully the community doesnt accuse us of getting paid. Partially because the game we play is based in jp and they dont really communicate with their global audience :D

[–]mach-2 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

Says coaching pikachu

O_O a conspiracy is afoot.

[–]CoachingPikachu[S] 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

Personally I enjoy coaching pikachu's because they develop bonds with me and then their tears taste best when you decide to stew them.

[–]the_blackfish 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't they pretty much just cook themselves once they're in the pot?

[–]SPONSORED_SHILLPresented by Bank of America 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a good way to get burnt 'chu. Doing things the hard way with a bit of prep work and manual cooking gets a much more tender result.

[–]YossarionTinfoil Deerstalker 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Me and this fella would like to have some words with you.

[–]Honestly_ 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I used to be an admin on the forum of the main english fan site of a niche Japanese system. Communication was... theoretically possible? There eventually was with the site owner years later and even then it was odd. Still, they let us distribute the final US games after they'd long since exited the market themselves.

[–]CoachingPikachu[S] 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

A fluent in japanese and english moderater did actually attempt to contact the JP and US branches of Gungho (the company that owns Puzzles&Dragons the game of the subreddit I moderate) in regards of getting some stuff to give away for our 10k subscriber events.

The response apparently was a No, so we just ended up using our own $$ and hosted events for the community and gave away prizes in the form of gift cards and codes.

Its not that we haven't tried, its just no dice I guess. Lol Personally I am okay with this to prevent conflicts of interest

[–]OldenmwShillin' like a villain 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

One of my buddies is really into P&D, and I've played a bit, and Gungho always seemed to be interested in their international community, at least to a small extent. They even did the whole Batman dungeon.

[–]CoachingPikachu[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think its rather difficult to really ascertain whether or not they really do care about their global market. Theres one side that believes that the Batman collab and DC collab was created purely for monetary value. Theres a pretty stark contrast between the Global and JP players. Most of this stems due to exclusivity within the Japan version.

Licensing is generally the most stated reason as to why we haven't obtained access to collab dungeons/REMs that contain exclusive mobs. While thats particularly fine and understandable there are just other things thats happened that has caused a bitter taste in the global community.

DBZ was a relatively new collab that occurred in Japan and it was widely believed to be coming to the global version, but it never did. In fact the DBZ collab was done several more times with newer characters. There was several opportunity windows that appeared when DBZ initially arrived, such as the newest DBZ movie having several theatrical releases. Also how popular DBZ is globally it was firmly believed that we would get this collab.

Another issue is the release of a mini-game released within the Japanese version of pad called PADw that by all understanding should of come to NA a long time ago if we were to follow patch versions. It was created by gungho and was largely just an additional mode in the existing game. But there was never a release. This one particularly sparked more annoyance due to the fact that it was mostly translation that needed to be done for the global versions.

There are also events in japan that offer significantly more content that we've seldom seen. Examples would be a dungeon that can be cleared to obtain a rare drop and a "stone" (in game currency) that was refreshed everyday for several days but haven't come to global. These events tend to be hosted by things such as twitter follower milestones or other external triggers that are used as the basis to host the ingame events.

I do note that there have been strides in GunghoNA for more community interaction which is nice in itself. So its nearly not as bad as I am making it out to be. I admit theres a bit of resentment towards to JP version of the game even though I play it myself due to my main being on NA.

[–]FalseTautology 90ポイント91ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why I as well mod a gaming subreddit, but I decided not to let anyone in so as to avoid drama. We may have a population of 1 but we are probably the friendliest community on reddit.

[–]Big_booty_ho 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hahahahaha. This comment legitimately made my day. Party on.

[–]FalseTautology 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did you check to see I was telling the truth?

/r/stonedgamer

Arguably the best gaming community on the internet, if you can get in.

[–]Big_booty_ho 53ポイント54ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm picturing you posting links then deleting them afterwards because they break your sub rules. No one man should have all that power.

[–]_RivenTheoryOfYourShaggedNaN 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/leagueoflegends are Riot staff in disguised! but they get acussed of being shills daily

[–]xLimeLightWhere is lil b 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Remember when we got the subreddit css updated? EVERYONE was so sure Riot was the ones who made it.

[–]_RivenTheoryOfYourShaggedNaN 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea SR's getting a VU? Oh so is /r/leaugeoflegends? CON FUCKING FGIRMED

[–]ShatariScruffy goat herder 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hmm, I moderate a small gaming sub that was made the game's owner. Any idea if that's allowed?

[–]pipboylover 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's absolutely allowed.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

b&

[–]V2Blast 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The line in question specifies that people are not allowed to be paid to moderate. You can be a mod of a subreddit about your product (as long as it's not just used for spam), but your job can't be moderating a subreddit, and you can't take payment in return for moderation actions.

[–]CollumMcJingleballsAuthor of Pulitzer Prize winning Batman V Superman Essay 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

the butter must flow*

[–]phedreYour tone seems very pointed right now. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Butter substitute. I'm a vegan, you shitlord!

/s

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can only imagine that the WoW community (being how huge it is) is quite the mixing pot of different types of people. Doesn't surprise me in the least there are a few nut jobs in the bunch.

[–]phedreYour tone seems very pointed right now. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh dude... The stories I could tell.

[–]Grimjestor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

*the butter-like substance ;)

[–]Rlight 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mod a gaming subreddit too and not a day goes by that I don't get accused of being a shill. Most recent was about 6 hours ago because I expressed that I like a peripheral.

[–]_RivenTheoryOfYourShaggedNaN 93ポイント94ポイント  (26子コメント)

/u/cupcake1713 we're gonna need to know whether this is an actual site violation or not

[–]CinematicChief 29ポイント30ポイント  (11子コメント)

/u/Twofu. There's your answer.

[–]Werner__Herzog(ง ͠° ͟ ͡° )ง 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

Oh, I didn't get it at first. He's shadow banned. Well that's not a surprise.

[–]sakebomb69 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

Or just deleted his account.

[–]CBSU 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

Shadow banned. He went further, stating he was considering deleting the entire subreddit, merely because he was caught breaking the rules and subsequently punished.

[–]DarkIncubi 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think it's a little more complex than that, twofu didn't merely say he wanted to delete the subreddit because he was breaking the rules. As of now the CSS has been removed.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

it's back, and so is he

[–]Werner__Herzog(ง ͠° ͟ ͡° )ง 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

it should be noted that it's with a new account, though

[–]Werner__Herzog(ง ͠° ͟ ͡° )ง 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, no his posts would be by [deleted] but in his AMA the name is still visible.

[–]MrDannyOcean 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

And just like that..

[–]VodkaBarfAbout Ethics in Binge Drinking 49ポイント50ポイント  (5子コメント)

I can't think of any scenario in which this would be okay. This is gonna blow up and I can't wait.

[–]MarvelinaI think /pol/ just smiled at me. I need a shower. 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/bPzDCHs.gif

[–]mach-2 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like watching a child playing rough with a cat. You just know someone's about to get bitten.

[–]CANOODLING_SOCIOPATHSRS SHILL 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, an employee of a company can mod their own subreddit, and part of their job could be social media management. Maybe they can justify that this is essentially what they were doing.

But the fact that they did this so secretly seems so unnecessary to me. If they did it openly I doubt much of the community would be upset. They would have been doing work and getting payed for it.

[–]xLimeLightWhere is lil b 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think site rules say that they don't want people to man their own companies sub

[–]Boondoc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's not against the rules, but the guidelines for it aren't all that clear. it's kind of like this, if say you run /r/wired for the site wired.com the sub can't just be links to wired.com articles submitted like you. i think it would get a little murkier if you're say, pepsi and you run /r/pepsi

[–]-Poe-I don't know what's happening but it was the Jews 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

She is no longer an admin.

[–]NixflynDarqwolff Forever 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

She'd still know better than the general redditor about how the rules are enforced.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Oh wow, what happened? Why'd she step down?

[–]Jumba 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The San Francisco move thing.

[–]_RivenTheoryOfYourShaggedNaN 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

SRD doesn't require you to move to SF. They pay via Reddit Notes

[–]-Poe-I don't know what's happening but it was the Jews 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nothing crazy. What I heard was that the company wanted everyone to move to the same area so they could all work in an office and she didn't want to move so she resigned.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dang. I think I actually kinda remember that. That's too bad I always liked cupcake :P

[–]ArchangelleDovakinsubsistence popcorn farmer 29ポイント30ポイント  (16子コメント)

I wonder if anyone's taken this to the admins yet.

[–]TheLamestUsernameDid I Mention /r/picturegame ? 48ポイント49ポイント  (13子コメント)

one mod seems to be airing his side of this

https://np.reddit.com/r/bravefrontier/comments/2v051l/hi_im_twofu_mod_of_the_rbf_subreddit_ama/

[–]WorldOneWon 38ポイント39ポイント  (6子コメント)

Damn, guy admits he received compensation. Pretty sure that's a breach of the ToS

[–]buzzkillpop 35ポイント36ポイント  (5子コメント)

Twofu admits in the AMA that he received 300 gems (in-game currency) in a single month. Gems are $1 a piece. That's $300. Damn... I mean, I could understand if it was 5 or something, you could look the other way, but $300? In a single month?

[–]JehovahsHitlist 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

You understand what this means, right? We all joke about how good it would be to receive money to post on Reddit like all the crazies say everyone does, but this guy, he actually, genuinely did that. That is what's happening here. He did it.

Hey, shill accounts payable department? I wasn't kidding. I'll do this shit for money.

[–]Saturday_SoldierI don't believe in objective morality. Morality isn't an object 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

And I still haven't received a single shekel... maybe I should stop shilling for the JIDF. Who would have thought the Jews were so greedy?

[–]YoyoEyesThe Saracens are invading! 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your pay comes in the form of a really nice gift basket at the next Elders of Zion meeting!

[–]Newosan 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://www.reddit.com/r/bravefrontier/comments/2v051l/hi_im_twofu_mod_of_the_rbf_subreddit_ama/cod8ixp Regarding what you said he says here that he did receive payment but not $300 for himself, he receives it and gives it to the others moderators Not inviting hate, just wanted to clear this up

[–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, that's some cheap advertising, for the equivalent of $300 which you would likely not even lose if you didn't give it out (since you can make virtual currency out of thin air at the expense of inflation).

[–]ArchangelleDovakinsubsistence popcorn farmer 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

I look forward to the coming dramawave.

[–]knife_missileMy butter is ready. 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

That movie was so terrible.

[–]ArchangelleDovakinsubsistence popcorn farmer 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

You take that back! (╯°□°）╯︵ (\ .o.)\

[–]knife_missileMy butter is ready. 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

sry

[–]ArchangelleDovakinsubsistence popcorn farmer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree that it was a terrible movie, but I still love it.

Also: War Games and Hackers.

[–]jiandersonzer0 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its fine, all the partnership websites are linked to gem payments. Appinvasion, bfpros, bfforums, and even leonzai. So we arent the only ones to receieve gems if youre thinking that

This goes against everything I know.... Is this even supposed to happen at all? I can understand ads being run someplace, but this is an actual case of shilling being run by a company.

[–]WorldOneWon 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've already sent them a message regarding this!

[–]ArchangelleDovakinsubsistence popcorn farmer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems like the kinda thing they'd actually care about.

[–]CantaloupeCamperOFFICIAL SRS liaison, next meetup is 11pm at the Hilton 49ポイント50ポイント  (10子コメント)

So they got in game currency to..... promote their own sub?

[–]Honestly_ 20ポイント21ポイント  (8子コメント)

I know, it's like... how?

"Hi /r/funny, I'm going to hijack this top comment to spread the good word of..."

[–]CantaloupeCamperOFFICIAL SRS liaison, next meetup is 11pm at the Hilton 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

That and .... a lot of mods to promote their subs as it is, or try, or already want to, or something.

This is weird.

[–]Discord_Dancing 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

Basically the subreddit itself is a giant ad for the game in the first place. The mods there were compensated for presumably promoting the subreddit, and running the subreddit in a way that presents the game in a good light at all times.

They don't discuss it in that thread, but that could mean removing negative opinions of the game, or stifling critical discussion of the game.

[–]NotClever 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, except the sub is inundated with complaining about the game any time the devs do anything, and I've seen the mods themselves joking about the devs being crap on more than one occasion. It's about as far from positive and cheery as I can imagine.

[–]rhoff93 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

man it can be rough being apart of that sub because of all the salt and complaints.

[–]CantaloupeCamperOFFICIAL SRS liaison, next meetup is 11pm at the Hilton 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Possible but even outright removing negative stuff would likely be caught by the user base if there were any serious issues.

You can delete stuff but it isn't long until you hit some loudmouth who is going to throw a fit (right or wrong) and folks notice things.

Not to say a mod can't influence things, but heavy handed would be hard to pull off and the light stuff is limited in value.

[–]Neurokeen 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Removal of game complaints was par for the course in the sub at various points in time, though it didn't seem like the mods were that delete-happy all the time. Users did often complain about the policy in the sub.

From what I could tell, this kind of moderation was typically done at times when, say, server maintenance was extended, or the developer rolled out something and it crashed, and tons of users were starting complaint threads at the same time. In other words, from what I saw, it really was mostly in contexts that kept the sub from being flooded with crap-posts.

I've not seen anything yet that indicated that the mod team was acting on the developer's request to delete anything, at least.

[–]Sandor_at_the_ZooCabal of Cock II: The Cuckening 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

IDK, how long was it before someone figured out that /r/technology had its list of banned topics.

[–]CantaloupeCamperOFFICIAL SRS liaison, next meetup is 11pm at the Hilton 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was mostly just bickering about all the snowden stuff though wasn't it..... I know some folks felt there was a conspiracy if the font page wasn't all snowden but man.

[–]SuperGiraffe 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/Twofu literally ragequits and deletes the sub CSS and sidebar.

https://i.imgur.com/LQVD8E6.png

Image taken from the subreddit itself, which was taken from their IRC

[–]TheLamestUsernameDid I Mention /r/picturegame ? 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

what if all mods were bribed with things based on their subreddit? are the mods of /r/sodomy bribed with sodomy? who knows?!

[–]Mejari 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm just asking questions!

[–]TheLamestUsernameDid I Mention /r/picturegame ? 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's been 13 hours and those mods have not denied it! do they have something to hide? who knows?!

[–]KyosBallerinaOh good my dog found the chainsaw. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

SRD mods are bribed with popcorn!

[–]bta47 53ポイント54ポイント  (1子コメント)

IT'S ABOUT ETHICS IN VIDEOGAME SUBREDDIT MODERATION

[–]-Poe-I don't know what's happening but it was the Jews 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow that's misogynistic. Didn't expect that here.

[–]Supra_Mayro 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

The mods aren't deleting any posts on the sub for a day or something, so it's a complete clusterfuck right now.

Also, /u/Twofu and /u/Ironchef33 have been shadowbanned :(

EDIT: Mods have now deleted all the spam posts and I'm guessing things will very slowly go back to normal from here

EDIT 2: /u/Twofu has removed the CSS, claiming he doesn't want his work stolen and may put it back if he gets his account back or moderates on a new one. Interestingly, he removed the sidebar too but makes no mention of it anywhere. TL;DR: Drama still strong

[–]uzzi1000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah, it's all gone to hell now. I have no clue what comes next, but this might destroy the sub.

[–]floppybeef 13ポイント14ポイント  (10子コメント)

Hey uhhh just wanna chime in here, the sub might be gone to shit because of this and a 16 year old megalomaniac as a mod but Brave Frontier is a pretty sweet game so

[–]CoachingPikachu[S] 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

FINISH THAT SENTENCE

[–]floppybeef 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

SO DON'T LET THIS STUPID MOD DRAMA DISCOURAGE YOU FROM TRYING THE GAME

ok? Are you happy now?

[–]CoachingPikachu[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Needs more emotion

[–]Honestly_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think we found a mod?

j/k

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Hey buddy, I'd never even heard of the game before now. So every cloud and all that.

[–]buzzkillpop 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's an alright game. It's like a cross between Final Fantasy and Pokemon. Your characters you "summon" which cost gems. Then you level them up, evolve them, etc... You can earn gems through missions or as gifts, or buy them with cash.

It's alright but it's no /r/PuzzleandDragons. That game is like crack while Brave Frontier is like alcohol or weed. It'll get you high but you don't feel a strong desire to play it every second of your waking life.

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thanks for the run-down buddy.

[–]Bitcoon 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Personally, I suggest avoiding all of the above. These games are deviously designed to suck you in HARD and never let go. I just passed the 365-day mark not long ago, and that's not 365 days since I first started playing, but literally 365 days wherein I didn't spend a single day NOT playing. I could spend the next few years doing the same and maybe by then I'd be able to beat the game's toughest content. It's been a struggle to find a balance where I'm not spending very long each day playing, and the game keeps pushing me to go hours and hours on end or play at very specific times in the day, because of limited availability of certain things that may make a huge difference in a certain monster's capabilities.

Generally, they're built to keep you coming back constantly, and the actual amount of gameplay variety and fun to be found in there would be suited to, at most, a 30-50 hour handheld/console game. Maybe 100 hours including post-game content. But they stretch it over thousands of hours of farming, grinding and getting screwed over by bad luck, mostly so they can coax you into making in-app purchases to get the powerful monsters you desperately need.

My suggestion: if you happen to have a 3DS, they're releasing a twin pack of actual games based on Puzzle and Dragons. PaD Z and PaD Super Mario edition. These have no in-app purchases, no ridiculous amounts of grinding or incentives to keep you playing indefinitely, and (at least I assume) they won't take a stupidly long time to get through. PaD is a really solid and fun puzzle-RPG, one of the best out there. There's a lot to dig into and a lot to like. But because of the investment required to enjoy it, it's definitely not a game I'd recommend to anyone. The 3DS ones, hopefully, should remove all the worst bits and leave behind the delicious meat.

[–]mysticreddit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. Basically freemium "games" have ZERO respect for your time as pointed out time and again by professional game designers:

[–]Montisa2008Tenodera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never liked those games, so I guess I wouldn't like this game either.

[–]QuelandorisNont-so-secretly illuminati 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Man, I liked r/bravefrontier

[–]uzzi1000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same, its a shame how bad things have gotten.

[–]abuttfartingThey’ve started insulting each other’s dogs! 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

Literally a shill. Damn.

[–]roocarpalWilling to Shill 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is the first time outside of the Pornhub lady I have actually seen this I am over the moon.

[–]abuttfartingThey’ve started insulting each other’s dogs! 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

In all fairness, I thought katie_pornhub shilled pretty hard. This guy moderated an internet forum for $300 a month. Hell, I would do that.

Edit: my phone is wrecking my reddit game.

[–]aweeleprechan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think she's a shill, unless being an employee makes you also a shill.

[–]ttumblrbots 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

SnapShots: 1, 2, 3 [?]

ttumblrbots will shut down like eventually or something

[–]Werner__Herzog(ง ͠° ͟ ͡° )ง 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm confused, did they get [name of game currency here] for promoting the subreddit outside of reddit or did they get [name of game currency here] for modding?

[–]CoachingPikachu[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

From what I can tell they were given the currency based on unique views. That is basically advertising the subreddit to generate traffic. How they advertised I do not know.

[–]Zaipheln 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm from the Subreddit and it's not really promoting. The problem was that posts have been censored heavily at certain points and the mods would back up the company. Also even though they weren't told what to do they would feel obligated to remove certain posts because they got paid.

[–]SJ_Gemini 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

This isn't true at all. Stop spreading this sort of horseshit.

[–]confirm_it_first 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never thought I'd agree with /u/SJ_Gemini, but there's a first time for everything

[–]uzzi1000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here is /u/twofu's side of things. He explains how the payments worked. All in all, the entire situation is a mess. That used to be one of the nicest looking subs I went on. Now it looks like a pathetic mass of angry teens.

Edit: Hey, CSS layout is back, awesome.

[–]jiandersonzer0 7ポイント8ポイント  (11子コメント)

/u/ironchef33, you're a better man than most.

Much respect for you, you're doing fine work.

[–]Xelave 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Better to look at both sides of the coin first before judging.

[–]Ironchef33 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

I left that sub and didn't care for it. It would have stayed dead but they had to go and accuse me for something silly.

[–]jiandersonzer0 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not a prob, I can understand.

At this point the sub is open to admin intervention, it is a bannable offense AFAIK. Keep doing what you do in PAD though, I'm really impressed.

[–]Ironchef33 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I wish I had more time- I'm able to slowly update the wiki: here's part 2 of the commons sub, I'm gonna try to do 1 sub or two a day

http://www.reddit.com/r/PuzzleAndDragons/wiki/guides/commonsubs2

of course I haven't announced in the sub but you can post it if you want :P

[–]jiandersonzer0 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ahhh, nice! Personally I think the riders and ninjas aren't 'common' per se, and deserve to be stuck in their own category above the others.

I'm also not surprised that /u/Twofu went and stickied his response to you, did he remove your post or is it still up?

[–]Ironchef33 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

don't know, at this point, don't care :P

[–]QnA 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I left that sub and didn't care for it. It would have stayed dead but they had to go and accuse me for something silly.

Is it true that Twofu works for brave frontier? Or is he just an enthusiastic mod?

[–]Neurokeen 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

As far as we can tell, enthusiastic mod compensated in gems (in-game currency) to be spread through the mod team, who happens to receive insider information.

[–]Twofu 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

enthusiastic mod

[–]Ironchef33 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

He got paid by the game publisher. there's an AMA on the thread now where he admits to it.

[–]Hellkyte 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/twofu doesn't seem to be around no mo

[–]ScubaSteve1219 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

these people take reddit way too damn seriously, jesus

[–]CarolinaPunk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh my

[–]uuuuuuuuh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

twofu got shadow banned and created the account /u/to0fu for those interested

[–]searingskyBitcoin Ambassador -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

How pathetic must one be to accept bribes in fucking imaginary video game money

[–]throwawayison 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, the imaginary money is worth real life money.
It's not exactly a briefcase full of cash, but if anything it feels even greasier. Like, "Oh we wouldn't bribe you, we're just gifting you some gems. To the value of $300. -wink wink nudge nudge-"

[–]MonkeyMan5539 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

it wasn't really bribes since, from what I've seen, /u/Twofu isn't a shill. His reasoning was; since mods and admins from Appinvasion and other message boards recieved compensation for working with the community, Twofu thought that it'd be okay to receive compensation for moderating the reddit board.

[–]Xelave -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

In case nobody has seen it yet, reason why the information was leaked to cause drama.

The chef guy had obviously been starting a plot to take over the sub. Funnily enough, since he was in the wrong too (especially that he knew specifically about that ToS rule but decided to keep quiet about it, save the picture for a very long time, and used it against them) he was also shadow banned along with Twofu. His dream's dead apparently. Try visiting the sub posted (/r/truebravefrontier) and see the truth behind Ironchef's odd and almost creepy behavior.

The subreddit's slowly going back to normal now. The company itself who handed out the gems (Gumi) have decided to discuss with the official reddit admins about the "program" that caused this ruckus in the first place, and that the program was not meant to alter or change the way the subreddit worked. Censorship barely happened and if it did, it was because of something stupid (i.e. Hacker of the game revealed that he could get away with hacking very easily, of course his thread would be deleted to avoid promoting it. To be fair, hacking is seriously difficult to detect in the game). The in-game currency received was not meant so that Gumi could easily censor stuff in the page. IF it was done, many members of the sub would know, and shitstorms about shill mods could happen. Almost everyone in the subreddit knew about the connection between Twofu and the game's company, Gumi, although we never knew that their connection was this program. But even then, the existence of the program vastly helped the subreddit grow as Twofu gave us up to date news of issues that occur, and he also helps directly send feedback from the subreddit to the company so they can work on our complaints.

On a side note, the program started long after the moderator Twofu has begun moderating the sub. The gems itself were an incentive, and the value of which was given to him was merely based on the number of subscribers. It wasn't meant to be "payment" or "compensation" for what they have done, but rather as an appreciation to Twofu's work with the sub and his indirect actions in promoting the game. Twofu himself is very respected among the sub because he helps forward complaints and immediate issues of the game to the company, holds annual subreddit events for rewards, and even being very critical of the company (i.e. Gumi's Brave Frontier streams were very mediocre at best and Twofu gladly pointed out its flaws and even bashed upon it and the company a little.)

[–]CoachingPikachu[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Pretty sure this is what caused Iron's thread

Regardless of what sparked the issue, it was handled poorly from both sides. Was /r/truebravefrontier a motivation to cause drama? Not really sure about that to be honest because the only reason why it was brought up was by a 3rd party. Irons thread does not even link to the subreddit.

[–]Xelave -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

To be honest, I don't think so. Twofu managed the issue pretty well, aside from that one fuck-up where he removed CSS (while it was fair for him to remove it, he got a lot of flak from the community because of it. I don't blame him, but it's not the best way to bring back the trust of your community). He has been transparent all this time and even admitted to what he had done, but it was his basis that he, his fellow mods, and the company who handed out the gems were not aware of the ToS rules concerning it yet Ironchef clearly was and attacked the mods with the information in mind. I am glad to see him shadow banned as well, knowing what he've done on his side. Twofu also made sure to not leave the subreddit hanging and quickly appointed a temporary mod to control the clutter that was already happening (of all days, he gets shadow banned on the very day an in-game issue arises, and more than ten threads began cluttering the sub because of it). Moreover, if he believed he was at fault in any way, he could simply stop moderating the subreddit and take back all what he've done. But he's not stupid. He knows the effort he placed in the subreddit is phenomenal and he simply can't throw it away. He made sure to make amends, remove himself from the program Gumi had made, and also have the company explain the real deal behind the program, its existence, and why it was done.

Although I do agree that the real reason was the link you provided, both sides of the issue was revealed, and Ironchef isn't seriously out of the picture when it comes to shady behavior.

Irons obviously didn't link the subreddit because that will inhibit a strong connection between this confession and the reason behind it. Even going so far as to create a request to take over the subreddit while moderators were already actively moderating the sub was just too oddly behaved to begin with.

[–]CoachingPikachu[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

There was a leaked image of the BF IRC showing him contemplating to delete the subreddit.

Alongside he also told the moderation team to no longer moderate after the fallout began to occur.

I think its best to agree that both sides acted immaturely and no one came out the winner here. There is going to be a bias towards who we are leaning towards.

I honestly think Twofu handled the situation poorly and that he will not repeat these mistakes.

[–]Xelave -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

It was an emotional outburst and was quickly rectified through a clarification post.

If he told the moderation team to no longer moderate, he wouldn't have appointed a temporary mod. He did it solely out of the fact that the other moderators could shadow banned as well, so it was best to keep quiet about things and avoid censoring or deleting threads that could warrant for even more trouble.

Yes, I have to agree on that. The initial outbursts caused too much commotion, and it was better off that he had stayed quiet and maturely handled the matter on the first few hours.

However, I respect Tofu for being completely transparent on the situation thus far through the AMA he had done, and further clarifying and later rectifying the current drama that was happening in the subreddit. Still no respect for Ironchef by disappearing after he was shadow banned. To think he was moderating other subreddits too...

[–]CoachingPikachu[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've worked with Iron personally and we have not any drama for the year we have worked together. Hes always been a hard worker and has been widely accepted in our community as a positive member.

Like I said we aren't going to see eye to eye on the situation as we have differing opinions on the two.

[–]qwe340 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He wasn't the one who appointed the new mod, the teenager mod that everyone on the subreddit disliked left the mod team and appointed the new mod on his own accord in the fall out of the drama (In a moment of clarity perhaps, the new mod herself stated she didnt know why he did it). In the thread of the teenage mod's departure another mod made it very clear that he left without discussing with the rest of them and his appointment was his own decision.

Furthermore, there was a thread on the front page still that was made by an old mod stating that they stopped moderating because some people in the subreddit thought they were worthless and they decided to stop for a few days to show how it will go to shit without them. In fact, in her clarification thread, the new mod called twofu and the rest of the mod team immature and childish for letting the subreddit rot because of their personal grievances with a few members.

[–]Mejari 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

How do we know you're not shilling for twofu now!?!?!

[–]Xelave 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A quick look at my post history.

There are two sides of this drama and I simply sided on one that, in my opinion, is more logical and profound.

[–]birdsofterrordiseVC Butter Investor -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where are GGs at to enforce some "ethics" regarding gaming, promotion and the industry?

[–]uzzi1000 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I frequent there and occasionally comment, but now it's a mess of hate and accusations. I don't think the sub is going to survive, and if it does, it will need completely new management to recover.