Alright, as always I am apparently holding the entire flat earth theory on my shoulders (because I seem to be the only one here and the only one trying to field the barrage of questions that are thrown at me) so I will tell you this:

I agree that there is not a whole lot of substantial proof of the flat earth model, but I would also say that I believe absolutely nothing that comes from NASA or any other Government body so everything you try and throw at me that comes from them falls on deaf ears, I'm just trying to save you some time.

If they tell me that sky is blue I will assume they are lying until I see it with my own eyes. If they tell me the world is a ball I will assume they are lying.

So, in my eyes, after I've thrown out all things NASA and ect. that leaves me with a level playing field, and at this point I have to just go with what I can deduce for myself.

I've never seen the curvature of the earth with my own eyes, even from an airplane or whatever. I've seen pictures taken from the upper atmosphere that show an absolutely, perfectly flat horizon. I've seen photos of planets that are admittedly fakes and photoshop renders I've never seen an actual picture of the earth that was unaltered.

Many experiments have been done by myself and others that prove that, at very least, the math they have given us as far as the size of the earth is off considerably. I should not be able to see the Chicago skyline from Porter Beach Indiana but I drove 3 hours there just to see, with my own eyes, if I could see it and I did. They say refraction but I don't buy it. I did not see a marriage, I did not see a reflection or a refraction I saw a perfectly flat horizon in every direction and the city of Chicago 44 miles away on Lake Michigan. On just a random, clear sunny day.

I will also say this: I have not yet completely ruled out a round earth, but I have not ruled out a flat one either.

The experiments and the things I can see and feel make me lean towards it being flat. The "proof" that is given by mainstream science, NASA and the government are all shrouded in inexplicable and incomprehensible math and equations and theories that no average layperson can even begin to understand.

Until I see the actual curvature of the Earth from an independant source, outside any government entity or until I witness it with my own two eyes I just can't believe it because I don't trust liars.

I do not believe just because they said it. I don't believe their photos, pictures, videos, articles, nothing.

My challenge to you is: Can you show me any undeniable evidence that the world is a sphere that doesn't come from NASA or any other government body and does not require a PHD in astrophysics to understand. That's my challenge and pretty much the only thing that will convince me that we're on a blue marble.