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[–]caribou16Moderate Conservative [スコア非表示]  (86子コメント)

I mean...both statements are true, right? The second isn't really a counter to the first.

[–]BeatlesRays [スコア非表示]  (57子コメント)

The first statement doesn't mention that US citizens were discriminated against, while Pence's policy is only applicable to non citizens seeking citizenship. Apples and oranges.

[–]XXtrumpinatorXX [スコア非表示]  (56子コメント)

But the underlying issue is the same. Both policies were about discrininating against an entire group of people. Immirants may not be US citizens, but does that make it okay to discrminate against them?

[–]CoatSecurity [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Yes, legally it is absolutely 100% OK to discriminate against those who are not United States Citizens, especially those who are breaking the law to take advantage of citizenship without going through the legal process.

If you want to argue about morality, then there may be room for discussion there.

[–]cakebatter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's definitely a comment on morality, not legality. Internment camps for Japanese-Americans were legal but not moral.

[–]Coleolitis [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

I think we were talking about morality. It is legal to do plenty of things that I wouldn't call "okay."

[–]premo360 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The government is morally responsible to protect its citizens. Not the "rights" of non-citizens.

[–]sjwking [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

The moral thing is for everyone to go to poor and war torn countries and help them out. I don't see many people doing it. Government's first responsibility is the safety of it's people from external threats.

[–]Greasypuss [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

That's the same reason they put George Takei and his family into an internment camp.

[–]sjwking [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I wrote external threat. The Japanese people were inside the country.

[–]mnixxon [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Is it moral to arrest someone for committing a crime? Is it moral to enforce immigration laws? What should be the consequence for someone who consciously chooses to ignore and violate the law? Is doing nothing fair to the people who choose to adhere to the law?

[–]Coleolitis [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Bruh my point was that the law isn't moral.

[–]mnixxon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I understand and I don't necessarily disagree. My point was that enforcing immigration laws is not immoral. In fact, If you accept the fact that we should have any immigration laws at all, then you must recognize that inconsistent enforcement of the immigration laws is in fact immoral.

[–]XXtrumpinatorXX [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Isn't Takei's comment more applicable to Syrian refugees? He's never said anything about illegal immigrants. He's talking about restrictions on people coming here legally and whether or not its okay to discriminate against them.

As for that issue it might be legal in certain situations, but should it be? If it isn't okay to discriminate against US citizens, why is it okay to discriminate against immigrants? Can we treat them differently in other ways? Could we deny them all the rights of US citizens? What abou right to a trial? Or freedom of speech, or religion? What abot cruel and unusual punishment? There are a lot of important questions that arise if we want to treat potential immigrants differently than US citizens.

[–]hamvvar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Isn't the right to Freedom from Discrimination a fundamental human right that applies regardless of nationality?

[–]markscomputer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Whether or not constitutional protections apply to citizens only or all people is debatable. Many Con. Law experts believe constitutional protections apply to all persons inside the United States.

[–]WolfeBane84 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

discrininating against an entire group of people.

I'm sorry, but when your enemy is part of a very distinct group, it's moronic not to focus most of your efforts on that group.

[–]XXtrumpinatorXX [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Who exactly is our enemy in your mind? I'm talking about Syrian civilians who are seeking refuge in the US. Are these people our enemy?

[–]solazyme_investor [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

discrininating against an entire group of people

from war torn regions

oh the discrimination

open the gates and enjoy the show

greetings from europe

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp[S] [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

You mean illegal immigrants. As in, "they broke the law."

[–]XXtrumpinatorXX [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

Well I may be mistaken, but isn't Takei's comment referencing Syrian refugees? Pence wants to reject refugees because we "can't be sure" just like we "weren't sure" about Japanese Americans. This isn't about illegal immigrants, its about putting restrictions on who can come here legally because of where they came from.

[–]gizayabasuTrump Conservative [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

The difference is that the Japanese were already here. How about we just don't take Syrian refugees?

[–]XXtrumpinatorXX [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

The issue with that is if we don't extend the same rights to potential immigants (i.e. the right to not be discriminated against by the government) it raises a whole bunch of questions about how we can treat immigrants. If they don't have the same rights as US citizens, what rights do they have? The constitution constrains the government and protects the rights of US citizens. If the constitution does not apply to non-US citizens, does the federal government have free rein with regard to treatment of immigrants?

[–]jub-jub-bird [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

As an immigrant you have the same human rights as anyone else. You do not however have a right to reside in the USA. You are a guest and being asked to leave, or not allowed to enter in the first place, is NOT a violation of your rights.

[–]inlinefourpower [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

How is this so hard to grasp!?! Immigrants can have equal rights and we can still reject illegal immigration. These are not incompatible ideas.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But that would require the Libtard to use reason and fact.

[–]XXtrumpinatorXX [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I'm not saying that they have the right to reside here. I'm saying they have the same rights US citizens. One of these rights is the right to not be discriminated against by the government. That's the problem.

[–]jub-jub-bird [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Taking particular care before granting entry by individuals who belong to a particular population which has a very high percentage of people who are hostile to us and our fundamental cultural values, and which also includes organized groups engaged in active hostilities against us is NOT a violation of anyone's rights.

If they had a right to entry (as Japanese citizens had a right to liberty) it would be a different story. But entry into the USA by a non-citizen is NOT a right, it is a privilege. That completely changes the moral calculus it terms of what is reasonable to expect from either party and what is an imposition on the individuals human rights.

"We are the friends of liberty everywhere, but the guarrantors of only our own."

[–]Sumner67 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I love when libs toss around the "discrimination" term yet have no clue what it means.

When you have a group of people that you cannot vette that is the source of terrorists who have stated publicly that they are sneaking terrorists in with refugees so they can get into countries, then it's not discrimination to block everyone from entering a country until they can vette them properly.

If you want to keep using the claim that it's somehow "discrimination"...remember this...

You lock your doors at night to prevent people from coming into your house that may do you harm that you don't know? Well then you are discriminating.

[–]gizayabasuTrump Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They have the rights given to them by their respective countries. The United States has a duty to its own citizens, their well being, and national security. If there is any chance that there may be terrorists among the refugees (as proven in Germany) then the United States has a right to restrict immigration until they "figure out what's going on." I do not think it's wrong for them to err on the side of safety, and perhaps establishing sanctuaries in the Middle East funded by our Middle East allies seems like a much more logical situation than transplanting them to the United States and supporting them when we can't even take care of our own people who are paying taxes and have been contributing to the system for many years if not generations.

[–]chainsawx72 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

They have zero rights... rights are for citizens. They only have rights in their country. Why would give everyone in the world the same rights we give citizens? Why would anyone want to become a citizen then?

[–]XXtrumpinatorXX [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

So non-citizens should have zero rights? What about right to a fair trial? What about the right to religious freedom? What about the right to life and self determination? Should the government not be responsible for protecting any of these?

The founders of the US believed in the concept of natural human rights, rights granted upon birth. Were they wrong?

[–]IronBallsMcGinty [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Illegal aliens

[–]LordGuppy [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

When they aren't citizens, the constitution doesn't protect them. We have every right to discriminate when choosing who enters our sovereign borders.

[–]XXtrumpinatorXX [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

If we accept that, there are some disturbing consequences. The constitution is the highest law in the US and is the document that places limits on federal power. If the constution does not apply to immigrants, there is no legal basis in US law for the protection of their rights. There would be no legal check on federal power with regards to how the government dealt with immigrants. Bit of a problem, if you ask me.

[–]LordGuppy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That's what I'm saying. The Bill of Rights does not apply to non citizens.

[–]ColonelCluster [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

And the policy was justified by the times they lived in. The Allies routinely supported and funded partisan groups in Europe to sabotage German and Japanese supply lines and gather intelligence, and were rightly afraid of the Axis Powers trying to do the same in the US. There were a huge amount of first generation immigrants (Japanese on the west coast and Germans on the east coast), and it was unclear how loyal they'd be to the US in general. It's easy in hindsight to lookback and think it was wrong, but you weren't in the government facing the biggest threat to liberal democracy the world's ever seen.

When WWII broke out, things looked real bad from the Allies' perspective. Germany's war machine was in full swing and had overrun most of mainland Europe, Russia had signed an armistice with Germany, Britain had lost most of its army and looked like it too would soon fall. Japan had already invaded large swaths of China, and was looking to control the rest of the Pacific. The US was still suffering from the Great Depression, and its industrial infrastructure still hadn't been ramped up for the war. We have the luxury of being the victors, but you have to judge their actions based on the time when they occurred.

[–]XXtrumpinatorXX [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

but you weren't in the government facing the biggest threat to liberal democracy the world's ever seen.

Do you seriously believe that Japanese Americans were the biggest threat to democracy the world has ever seen? Bigger than a supposedly democratic and free country rounding up and imprisoning its own citizens without due process?

The logic you use can justify any number of atrocities. You say its too easy for me to judge the actions of the past because I wasn't there to understand. I say it was too easy for those in the past to judge a group of innocent people they saw as the enemy and strip them of their rights. I like freedom and I don't think the government should be able to take it away from Americans without good reason.

Tell me, would you be in favor of placing American muslims in internment camps? We are at war with Isis and there have already been terror attacks by american muslims, so I would think our situation today is even more dire than during WWII.

[–]lamentationsoftheir [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Immirants may not be US citizens, but does that make it okay to discrminate against them?

Yes. Absolutely yes.

Non-citizens shouldn't be treated like first class citizens. They shouldn't be treated like second class citizens. They should be treated like the non-citizens they are. If they are here on a proper visa, then that treatment should be like a host with a guest. If they are here illegally, then they should be treated like any other criminal.

Respect our country, respect our society, respect our community by respecting our rule of law.

[–]TheRealSpaceBoogie [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Stupid. If they are treated like "criminals", well "criminals" that are citizens have rights. So are you suggesting a classification of Non- citizen criminal, which is different than simply a Non- citizen. I understand that being in the country illegally is in and of itself a crime, but then what do u do with said "criminal" Do they go to a Non-citizen prison where there are no rights and basic human decency is neglected due to the fact that they are non-citizen. I would like to know, in your mind, do you believe you as a human are superior to your fellow man because you are a US citizen?

[–]lamentationsoftheir [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If they are treated like "criminals", well "criminals" that are citizens have rights.

Correct. I'm intentionally making a distinction between citizens who have committed crimes and non-citizens here illegally, which is in and of itself a crime. Let's label two groups, "criminals" and "illegals", for short.

So are you suggesting a classification of Non- citizen criminal, which is different than simply a Non- citizen.

Correct. Everyone in Germany right now is not a US citizen, but since they aren't here illegally, they aren't criminals either. "non-citizens" as to make this group distinct from our first two.

I understand that being in the country illegally is in and of itself a crime, but then what do u do with said "criminal"

Deportation.

Do they go to a Non-citizen prison where there are no rights and basic human decency is neglected due to the fact that they are non-citizen.

No, why would you suggest that? They go to the immigration holding cell to await processing and deportation.

As they are not citizens, they have no US rights, are not covered by our constitution or its amendments, etc. You have to be a part of Team USA to get the bennies (being a part of Team USA being paying taxes, showing up for jury duty, etc).

I would like to know, in your mind, do you believe you as a human are superior to your fellow man because you are a US citizen?

Nope, not in the slightest. But I do believe that this country is for it's legal citizens who are here trying to make it great again and obey the law of the land. The illegal immigrants can go back and improve their own country.

[–]wolfman1911Boehner thinks I'm the Devil [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes, aside from all the things that make them quite different, they are exactly the same.

[–]Vecusum [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A jet and a bicycle are both vehicles.

The ability to naturalize a population is a relevant and responsible consideration to how many of that population you allow to immigrate. The old position of freezing Muslim immigration is a harder argument than the current one of drastically reducing it but neither are the same as throwing naturalized peoples into internment camps.

This is a conversation that probably should be happening with most nonrefugee groups from war torn countries. It just so happens that this particular group has had a high rate of hostilities, as with illegal immigration coming through Mexico though not necessarily Mexican (some refugees some cartel traffic, it's the cartel traffic that's concerning). That's basically a part of why those are the two that are polling somewhat positively.

At least that's the most reasonable and generous explanation that comes to mind and I've always been of the view that one should be generous when assuming others motivations until proven, quite explicitly, otherwise in a particular individual case.

[–]afunnierusername [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He was a citizen when these happened, he should be pissed. Refugees are not citizens, they have no right to admittance.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp[S] [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Where did Trump or Pence say people would be put into camps like George and his parents were by FDR?

[–]irving47 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't think either of them did. Takei loves to pull that card out and wave it any time he wants attention.

Trump (and Pence) just want extra scrutiny on people from Muslim countries when immigrating to the US. Until they have a system they feel is effective, they want to stop an influx of refugees*, (in particular) that is causing fuck-ups like this one : http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5aa83cad5521484296a629863b068964/more-800-immigrants-mistakenly-granted-citizenship

*(I realize he/they may want to stop more or less all Muslims from coming in, temporarily, but the bulk of their argument seems to be refugees from areas like Syria and at least ASK them how they feel about killing infidels)

[–]inlinefourpower [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Especially after the horrible attacks in Europe which seem to have migrant crisis ties.

[–]caribou16Moderate Conservative [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

People of Japanese ancestry (both citizens and non-citizens) were put in internment camps because their loyalty couldn't be proven, the default position was guilty until proven innocent with no real criteria for someone to prove innocence.

Sure, Takei's statement is a little hyperbolic in the sense no one is going to go rounding up American citizens with ancestral ties to countries that have terrorism, but I think the point of "guilty, to be safe, until innocence can be determined" is a valid one.

[–]combatmedic82 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

"...but I think the point of "guilty, to be safe, until innocence can be determined" is a valid one."

Not for non-citizens, or considerations regarding our immigration/refugee policies.

[–]caribou16Moderate Conservative [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That's untrue. The supreme court has ruled multiple times that the equal protection guaranteed to all persons by the 14th amendment apply to foreigners and non-citizens in this country, even if they entered illegally.

I'm not saying a vetting process is unwarranted, all I'm saying is the default position must be innocent, unless proven otherwise, not guilty until proven otherwise.

[–]Seymour_Johnson [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The Syrian refugees they are talking about aren't in this country yet.

[–]aboardthegravyboat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Deporting a non-citizen is not a conviction of guilt and is far, far removed from imprisonment.

[–]_SimpleJack_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Liberal Insult Lottery

[–]SandmanSanders [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

THANK YOU

it's not always a party that makes a bad decision (like how they go about choosing a nominee), it can be a person as well

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp[S] [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

You mean like how Dems put people into camps? How Dems promoted racial segregation? How Dems supported the KKK? How Dems try and prevent people from defending themselves by banning guns?

[–]nightpanda893 [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

You seem to be the only one making this a republican and democrat issue...Takei's post didn't say anything about that.

[–]optionhome [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Ask George what he thought of FDR and he will gush with love for him. But he blames the US for his internment ordered by FDR. A nice illustration of the lunacy of liberals. They have their gods and elites who are sacrosanct. They get a pass on everything and the liberal brain transfers the cause of their injustice to someone or something else.

[–]nightpanda893 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Where did he gush for love for FDR? Seems like you are reading things that are not there.

[–]optionhome [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I wasn't referring to the article just prior statements by George.

[–]nightpanda893 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I was asking about the prior statements where he gushed about FDR.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp[S] [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

"Pence" isn't the GOP VP candidate?

[–]nightpanda893 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Yeah, what's your point? You can have a problem with a person's personal political statements without it being an indictment of the entire party. Takei has been very vocal about bring attention to Japanese internment, I'm sure he feels just as negatively about FDR's actions despite him being a democrat. And I wouldn't take that to mean that he is taking it out on the whole Democratic party.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp[S] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Sulu appears to hate Republicans and Conservatives but always goes off on them in the dumbest way possible... like this.

He's a moron but it's funny.

[–]nightpanda893 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Ok, that's fine if you believe that. It still doesn't create any connection between the two tweets though. If you had something where he generalized the entire party from 1 man's actions/words and then responded with that it would make a little more sense. But this makes no sense. It's like someone had this great comeback lined up but couldn't find the right tweet to respond to. So they just picked this one even though it didn't fit.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He mentioned Pence... taking a shit is likely political for him.

[–]SandmanSanders [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Please continue to discuss the Dixiecrats with no context to me, I'm all ears

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sure. One became a Republican (Strom).

One.

[–]dharrison21 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Of course it isn't, but reading comprehension forming your own opinions isn't really a strength of GOP voters right now. It's too bad Johnson is so terrible, I would love to vote third party this year.

[–]AstroAgama [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Why does the party matter?

[–]ColonelCluster [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Because they implicitly try to blame it on Republicans. Whenever Japanese internment is mentioned, usually by liberals, they rarely mention it was at the behest of famous Democrat FDR, or that German and Italian Americans were also interned.

[–]chadtak13 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They did it in Canada too. We have a completely different system.

My grandfather was in one in BC. Hence the tak part of my username. It was a different time back then. I don't think this has a place in a political debate but to be aware of history and how it repeats itself is important.

Edit : for clarity

[–]baldyloxSocial Libertarian [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's an excellent point.

Nobody commenting ITT is old enough to remember WWII, and the real-life stakes involved.

[–]MemoryLapse [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It's funny... My grandmother was subject to far worse atrocities at the hands of the Japanese than anyone in America ever was by the U.S. Government. She just happened to avoid execution (at the age of 8), because the guards ran away as the Americans rolled through Indonesia. The Japanese are still genuinely xenophobic (perhaps rightly so), but God forbid liberals ever hold the rest of the world to the same standard that the West is supposed to meet.

[–]cakebatter [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't think you're going to find anyone who excuses the atrocities and war crimes committed by the Japanese during WWII. The point is that American citizens were placed in internment camps because of "questionably loyalty" and an assumption of better safe than sorry. You can't really excuse our own sins by pointing out the worse sins of another nation. Just because the Nazis had concentration and extermination camps doesn't mean Japanese internment camps in the US were okay.

[–]VivSavageGiganteLiberal Democrat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Doesn't look like "they" do here.

[–]irving47 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Because Trump is a racist now that he is running for office via a party that is denoted by an (R).

[–]inlinefourpower [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The R is for racist shitlord! It's current year. /s

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you had to guess, what would you say..?

[–]UnretiredGymnast [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Still wrong regardless of the party. FDR was no saint.

[–]lemonpartydeplorable [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

How did we get from extra vetting on refugees from Muslim countries to throwing US citizens in camps? Oh, leftist hyperbole from a has-been C list actor.

[–]CoatSecurity [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

The same way Kaine mentioned 25 times last night that, "Donald Trump thinks all Mexicans are rapists and criminals."

[–]fuck_sal_hardPool Boy [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

"DONALD TRUMP RAPES ALL MEXICANS!!" is what I heard, not sure about you.

[–]TomRoberts2016 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

"DONALD TRUMP IS AN ALIEN FROM OUTERSPACE WHO SAID HE ADMIRED THE GREAT WALL FROM HIS SPACE HOUSE." is what I heard.

[–]baldyloxSocial Libertarian [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Wait ... I thought that he raped his space house on the Great Wall?

[–]TomRoberts2016 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

See, that's what happens when people gossip and play telephone.

[–]RedUnixMC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What do these all have in common? Shitty fucking governments. We don't need them anymore. Wake up.

[–]PumaplayssdClassical Liberal (Conservative) [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

I love how they say that Conservatives want Mexicans in internment camps, and yet all things like keeping slavery and internment come under democrats. I usually just point out that pur government would be to small do such a thing.

[–]KilKidd [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

But but but.... the parties switched, so democrats can't be blamed for that.

[–]Anal_Vacuum [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yep, the parties switched. Didn't you know that FDR was a tax cutting Conservative?

[–]PumaplayssdClassical Liberal (Conservative) [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

I know your being sarcastic, but I can't help bringing this up anyway...

If you want to see a constant state of Democratic policies, look at detroit, see how it has failed minorities.

[–]CoatSecurity [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Why stop at Detroit?

In order of highest poverty rates in the USA!

Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1961;

Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn’t elected one since 1954;

Cincinnati, OH (3rd)… since 1984;

Cleveland, OH (4th)… since 1989;

Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor;

St. Louis, MO (6th)…. since 1949;

El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican Mayor;

Milwaukee, WI (8th)… since 1908;

Philadelphia, PA (9th)… since 1952;

Newark, NJ (10th)… since 1907.

Edit: Correction: This was distributed before Mr. Regalado’s election in 2009. However, it seems that there has been one other Republican mayor in Miami – Joe Carollo. Sorry for the confusion.

[–]alexdinhogaucho [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor

Our local politics is a Banana Republic, it's sad..

[–]CoatSecurity [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That was actually inaccurate, sorry about that. I put an edit in.

[–]castlecrasher2 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Cool stuff. Where did you get this data? What about wealthiest cities?

[–]BrewCrewKevin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I started going through them, but it seems they are also mostly democrats (at least on the list I was looking at from Huffpost). I think it's more of a function of major metropolitan areas. there aren't many urban areas under Republican control. It's just a demographics thing.

[–]gameinator3000 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure where you're getting these dates.

Detroit is correct

Buffalo's last republican was in 1962

Cincinnati is kind of correct (appearantly Cincinnati has somehow maintained a three party system? The last non democrat to be mayor was from that third party in 1984, but most people consider them to be close to republicans)

Cleveland is correct

Miami THE INCUMBENT IS REPUBLICAN

St. Louis is correct

El Paso and Milwaukee I couldn't find any info on the partisanship of their past mayors (or current).

Philadelphia is correct

Newark had a Republican in 1953

[–]PumaplayssdClassical Liberal (Conservative) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

San Diego does not get into the list, so I'm happy

[–]lutefisk4life [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Seattle seems like it's doing okay. The demographics there are a little different from Detroit though. Maybe there's more to it than just liberal policies?

[–]nicksvr4 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Same with gun violence and mass shootings. 95%+ are committed by Democrats. It's called projection.

[–]brianalmon [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If you step back and examine the premise behind this sort of rhetoric you'll see that the left (and some on the right) implicitly believe that every human being on earth has an inalienable right to come live in the United States. The idea that we as a people have the right to decide who we let in our country (an idea that was entirely obvious to everyone just a generation ago) is dismissed as racist.

[–]clothar33 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

DAE right = fascism?

DAE anything wrong with the world is like literally what the right does?

DAE Trump sneezing is like rape?

[–]mrstickball [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You know what is worse than being thrown in an interment camp? Being murdered for being gay.

Guess who and why we're trying to vet people coming into the country? The cognitive dissonance among leftists is blinding.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If they were intelligent, would they be Liberals?

[–]mnixxon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Vetting immigrants is NOT a violation of human rights or civil liberties. Ellis Island was not an internment camp.

[–]BrighamYoung [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Huge glaring difference between interring current citizens and screening out the dangerous for immigration/tourism.

Pretty much the same idiotic mistake leftists make when they conflate walls that keep people out with walls that keep people in.

[–]MemoryLapse [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The U.S. Constitution: Now applies to other countries!

[–]ItsMeTK [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's not the same since Takei was a citizen born of a citizen, while Trump is talking about illegals and refugees.

...though it often makes me wonder why we don't revisit the idea of internment camps for illegals with families who "want to become citizens". If we refuse to deport them, it's not like we couldn't do such a thing.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Trump is talking about illegal immigrants and unvetted "refugees."

[–]ColonelCluster [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Foreign nationals are now the same thing as US citizens? Oh my!

[–]rittersm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ironically read in George Takei's voice...

[–]DylanHousman [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I have a dream that one day FDR will be looked back on as the anti-american piece of garbage that he was.

[–]jeff_the_nurse [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Always love seeing this wacko get smacked around on social media.

[–]Crispycuban [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Fuck George Takei

[–]raw157 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

George isn't saying republicans put him there. He said the argument made put his family there. While he's commenting on a republican, he didn't say Pence's party made it happen, he's saying the same argument was made.

[–]CherryCokeNixonBuckleyite Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Did I miss something? Did Pence call for the rounding up of American citizens?

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp[S] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

And yet he brought up the GOP VP's name...

[–]raw157 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Because he made a similar argument last night.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He said US citizens should be locked in camps?

Really. Please post that transcript.

[–]mnixxon [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

When has Trump, Pence, or any prominent Republican actually suggested internment camps should be reinstated? Immigration enforcement is NOT internment.

[–]AKSasquatchLibertarian Atheist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Slam.

[–]dharrison21 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm doubling down, in the hopes a mod reads this and actually listens. Do you idiots think that politics can be simplified as easily as what's in the sidebar? Honestly? The only conservatives that I think are idiots are the people actually trying to convince me that Trump is a legit candidate and could actually be president. If you want to tell me hillary is a crook, good on ya, because you're probably right. But to say that liberals are some joke and just stupid just because you hold different opinions.. wow. Just wow.

The GOP is flailing, and will have to be rebuilt. I'm pretty fucking upset about the lack of a real oposition candidate, or really any candidate at all from the GOP, but do you guys really just have yourselves so entrenched in liberal hating that you don't recognize the how purposely ignorant the party has become? There's a reason the likely winner is Hillary, and it isn't that we all have the wool pulled over our eyes, it's that even with ALL the bullshit surrounding her, I would sooner have no president than Trump, but we can't do that, so I guess it's her.

To support that man is to admit you either don't know or don't care. Congrats on making history you fucking idiots.

[–]fuck_sal_hardPool Boy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Also, the Democrats want to punish people with fines and/or jail time if said people don't want to purchase health insurance. But they love freedom or something something.

[–]pornographicCDs [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The president that liberals revere so much. He was a fucking tool who kicked it a little bit too late.

[–]_SimpleJack_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Brutal, Savage, Rekt

[–]Aven [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

We all realize this is not an argument right? It is the broad assumption of a specific demographic that brought millions into camps, whether they were citizens or immigrants.

[–]BrighamYoung [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

That's absurd. Refusing entry for someone who has no right whatsoever to be here is entirely different from putting people who have a right to be here in camps.

[–]nightpanda893 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Posts like this going to the top are why I unsubscribed from here after initially thinking it would be a good way to balance the bias of /r/politics. The response doesn't even make any sense. Takei wasn't making it a party issue at all. If you want to refute his statement then go for it, but this response isn't even relevant.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp[S,M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Posts like this going to the top are why I unsubscribed from here

And yet you're still commenting...

[–]mnixxon [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The rational for the response doesn't really seem all that difficult to comprehend. Perhaps you don't agree with it and you just don't want to understand. If you can't recognize that the original tweet was a political attempt to paint Republican policy positions as intolerant, immoral, and racist then you are blind.

[–]nightpanda893 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, I just don't create connections to satisfy my worldview and make things simpler for myself. But I can see that works for you and I doubt I'd be able to talk you out of it. Most likely I won't even get you to recognize it. You have to protect your ego, after all.

[–]exigence [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Actually the thing most responsible for George Takei and his family being put into Internment camps was the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor and declaring war against the US.

[–]citizen_beyond [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

So was it wrong to intern the Japanese when we were at total war with Japan? Honestly I can understand both sides of the internment argument.

[–]DylanHousman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So was it wrong to intern the Japanese when we were at total war with Japan?

Yes. They were Americans.

[–]CherryCokeNixonBuckleyite Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So was it wrong to intern the Japanese when we were at total war with Japan?

A case could be made for interning Japanese nationals. Not Japanese Americans though. You're talking about people who grew up and only knew America and were citizens of the United States.

[–]AvertusAsian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

George Takei has been ranting about his family's experience of being imprisoned for a long time now, yet he never blamed Democrats for it. There's nothing wrong with his statement in itself, it's his hypocrisy that's getting on my nerves.

I hope he knows about his people committing atrocities against fellow Asians in WWII.