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[–]pholmq 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

Many thanks for this post. Very informative. I had serious health issues a few years ago, and have been able to regain my health and lose weight remarkably mostly by changing my diet. Avoiding grains was one of the things I did. Another culprit I suspect is vegetable oils. They seem to have the capacity to seriously disturb our hormones. Link: https://proteinpower.com/drmike/2016/02/03/will-the-new-dietary-guidelines-fatten-us-even-more/

I think the cautionary principle is extremely important today because of the situation where corporations do the research and pay off the institutions that are supposed to safeguard. Be very suspicious of food and drugs/vaccines. Don’t eat anything your grandmother would not have been able to buy. Understand that if the same people owns the food and drug companies, health damaging foods and drugs will be regarded as beneficial. Especially if those people are neocons and eugenicists

[–]InfoDisseminator 27ポイント28ポイント  (10子コメント)

I can help a little bit here with how ubiquitous glyphosate use is, what foods it may be found in, and a disease that it causes.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945755/

Celiac disease is a complex and multifactorial condition associated with gluten intolerance and a higher risk to thyroid disease, cancer and kidney disease, and there is also an increased risk to infertility and birth defects in children born to celiac mothers. While the principal diagnostic is autoantibodies to tissue transglutaminase, celiac disease is associated with a spectrum of other pathologies such as deficiencies in iron, vitamin D3, molybdenum, selenium, and cobalamin, an overgrowth of pathogens in the gut at the expense of beneficial biota, impaired serotonin signaling, and increased synthesis of toxic metabolites like p-Cresol and indole-3-acetic acid. In this paper, we have systematically shown how all of these features of celiac disease can be explained by glyphosate's known properties. These include (1) disrupting the shikimate pathway, (2) altering the balance between pathogens and beneficial biota in the gut, (3) chelating transition metals, as well as sulfur and selenium, and (4) inhibiting cytochrome P450 enzymes. We argue that a key system-wide pathology in celiac disease is impaired sulfate supply to the tissues, and that this is also a key component of glyphosate's toxicity to humans.

The monitoring of glyphosate levels in food and in human urine and blood has been inadequate. The common practice of desiccation and/or ripening with glyphosate right before the harvest ensures that glyphosate residues are present in our food supply.


And for the people who will inevitably claim that crop desiccation is not a thing, see here:

http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/faq7206 (talks about glyphosate use on "cereals.")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_desiccation

Here's farmers talking about using roundup on crops just prior to harvest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAEfbznelWs

Here's another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNBo4C96Ju0


And here is an excerpt from a German study on glyphosate desiccation:

http://www.ithaka-journal.net/herbizide-im-urin?lang=en

“Spraying crops to death”, as desiccation should be more aptly called, means that herbicides are being sprayed directly on the crops shortly before they are to be harvested to facilitate the harvest by uniformly killing off all living plants (including the crops) on the field. If crops can not fully mature due to excessive rain, as was the case in the summer of 2011, herbicides are used to bring the crops to maturity by means of a “death-spray”. The method facilitates the drying of the crops as well as removing all weeds for the next sowing period, and has become common for the harvest of potatoes, cereals, canola and pulses. For potatoes, spraying herbicides on the field immediately before harvest (2.5 l / ha), hardens the skin and reduces its susceptibility to late blight and germination, which improved the potatoes shelf life. Active compounds of the herbicide directly enter the potato through the leaves; however, decomposition of the poison takes place in the body of the consumer.

[–]KidzKlub[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

Thank you for posting this information. The whole desiccation thing is really important because it means even non-GMO crops are being exposed, as another commenter has mentioned. My research is now focusing on where exposure is worst (hint: wheat and soy) and how to best avoid it. Also focusing on some really important nutrients that can help to negate the effects of the glyphosate we can't avoid. Also I'm just learning about the interaction of GcMAF and nagalase, which seems like another deep rabbit hole. Hopefully I will have another post soon on what I find. I'm looking for someone to help me make an infographic as well.

[–]ragecry 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

I've tried researching GcMAF and nagalase, but the topic is usually a bit over my head. Jeff Bradstreet was doing trials of GcMAF treatment, and he was found in a lake suicided by gunshot to the head. His lab was raided by the FDA a week before his death. He had a son who was autistic that he blames on a vaccination given to the boy at 15 months of age.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bradstreet#Personal_life_and_death

12 doctors died within 90 days of each other while studying GcMAF / nagalese. There is a strange conspiracy surrounding GcMAF, nagalese, vaccines and missing doctors.

https://www.sott.net/article/312619-Dead-doctors-nagalase-and-vaccines-Whats-the-connection

http://freedomoutpost.com/12-holistic-doctors-have-now-died-within-a-little-over-90-days/

And there's the story of the UCLA professor William Klug who was killed by his own student/partner Mainak Sarkar (I'm skeptical of this, I doubt he killed his professor). Together, the two did some profound research into bacteriophage DNA packaging, which is very similar to CRISPR, if not the same thing. There were prospects of curing cancer with this tech. But now they are both dead and CRISPR is taking the biotech industry by storm, Monsanto being first in line to use the tech. It's fucking crazy man.

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4m7y0g/this_is_a_list_of_projects_the_dead_ucla/d3tfy6d

[–]tmprod 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Bradstreet was shot with a 9mm in the chest, entry vertical across the right side of his body from an elevation. He was on his knees. Speculation is his discovery of Nagalase in mandated vaccines and the use of blood born GcMAF injections into autistic patients, not approved by the FDA. Lab was also raided in the EU 5 days before his was.

[–]ragecry 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Was an autopsy ever released?

[–]tmprod 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, not to the public- yet.

[–]KidzKlub[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very interesting stuff indeed. When I get some free time from my schoolwork I'm going to dig deeper in GcMAF/nagalase.

[–]ZergAreGMO 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

bacteriophage DNA packaging, which is very similar to CRISPR, if not the same thing

Are you sure about this? How are these two things related? I'm pretty stumped here.

[–]VladStark 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am very curious what, if anything, we can do to mitigate some of the potential damage from glyphosate exposure? Reading this whole thread, besides a lot of the science going over my head, I can't help but just feel that "well, as an ordinary citizen in America you're going to get exposed to it no matter what you do". So, what, if anything, can we do to help control the potential damage to our bodies from this stuff? Given all the trouble it seems to cause, it would be nice to see glyphosate banned, but I'm not holding my breath for that to happen anytime too soon.

[–]piccadill_o 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

decomposition of the poison takes place in the body of the consumer.

All of the reactions here are completely understated.

[–]ragecry 32ポイント33ポイント  (7子コメント)

Some interesting things I found in my past glyphosate research:

Laboratory rat feed is tainted with Roundup even for the control group.

This is a problem for public health because regulators use tests on animals fed on these diets to assess the safety of any one pesticide or GMO by looking at the difference between the exposed animal and the controls. If the treatment (exposed) and control groups are both eating an uncontrolled assortment of pesticides or GMOs, any actual toxic effect arising from the pesticide or GMO under test, unless the effect is massive in size, will be lost amid the “noise” caused by the jumble of potentially and known toxic substances.

Link


Roundup contains surfactants such as POEA which are actually more toxic than glyphosate. This is the secret that Monsanto's PR and corporate science buffoons don't want you focusing on. POEA can increase glyphosate toxicity 100-fold, yet most "Roundup" studies look at glyphosate toxicity by itself which is cheating. This is why IARC recently labeled Roundup a class 2A carcinogen despite mass protests by Monsanto/EFSA.

Intratracheal instillations in rats resulted in much more toxic effects at much lower dose levels. Roundup at doses of 0.1, 0.2, and 0.4 mg/animal caused 80% mortality at the low dose and 100% mortality at the two higher doses as well as an increase in lung weights. POEA, at the same dose levels, caused 20%, 70%, and 100% mortality as well as increases in lung weights, although the increases were less than those observed with Roundup.

Link

EFSA and national officials, on the other hand, had a narrower mandate. They were confined to EU pesticide legislation, in which only the declared “active substance” of the pesticide is considered, whereas the assessment of the toxicity of formulations is left to Member States. So EFSA and Member States barely acknowledged IARC's real-world exposure studies as the products at stake were not pure glyphosate.

This separate assessment in the EU regulation of the different compounds in pesticides is reductionist, and is a fundamental problem. In fact, the final product combines these different compounds to obtain a synergistic effect (greater than the sum of its parts), and as a consequence the health impact of commercial formulations escape assessment at the EU level. For example, Germany had earlier banned a common Roundup adjuvant known as POEA.

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Dose does not always make the poison. A study in 2009 found that glyphosate based herbicides may cause endocrine disruption in humans.

We also checked androgen to estrogen conversion by aromatase activity and mRNA. All parameters were disrupted at sub-agricultural doses with all formulations within 24h. These effects were more dependent on the formulation than on the glyphosate concentration. First, we observed a human cell endocrine disruption from 0.5 ppm on the androgen receptor in MDA-MB453-kb2 cells for the most active formulation (R400), then from 2 ppm the transcriptional activities on both estrogen receptors were also inhibited on HepG2. Aromatase transcription and activity were disrupted from 10 ppm. Cytotoxic effects started at 10 ppm with Alamar Blue assay (the most sensitive), and DNA damages at 5 ppm. A real cell impact of glyphosate-based herbicides residues in food, feed or in the environment has thus to be considered, and their classifications as carcinogens/mutagens/reprotoxics is discussed.

Link | Link


Glyphosate is being found EVERYWHERE. It's used as a desiccant, sprayed on malt barley just before harvest, so it ends up in beer. Glyphosate is used on GMO cotton, so it ends up in cotton products such as tampons. It has also been found in women's breast milk and 99% of German men's urine.

Eighty-five percent of all samples tested positive for glyphosate and 62 percent for AMPA, which is the environmental metabolite, but in the case of cotton and sterile cotton gauze the figure was 100 percent.

In terms of concentrations, what we saw is that in raw cotton AMPA dominates (39 parts per billion, or PPB, and 13 PPB of glyphosate), while the gauze is absent of AMPA, but contained glyphosate at 17 PPB.

Most of the cotton production in the country is GM [genetically modified] cotton that is resistant to glyphosate. It is sprayed when the bud is open and the glyphosate is condensed and goes straight into the product.

Link

Most malts are produced from barley, and in the U.S. the barley crop is among the most polluted crops contaminated with glyphosate. Grown in colder climates where farmers typically “desiccate” their crops of grains right before harvest, the barley crop in the U.S. has such high levels of glyphosate, that the EPA has had to continually raise their limits of allowable glyphosate residue.

A new study shows that 99.6% of Germans are contaminated with the herbicide glyphosate, writes Nicole Sagener. The news comes as the EU puts off a crucial decision on whether to re-authorise the chemical, described by IARC as ‘probably carcinogenic’, until 2031. All but 0.4% of the German population have been contaminated by the controversial herbicide glyphosate, according to a study carried out by the Heinrich Böll Foundation. The study analysed glyphosate residue in urine and concludes that 75% of the target group displayed levels that were five times higher than the legal limit of drinking water.

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In the first ever testing on glyphosate herbicide in the breast milk of American women, Moms Across America and Sustainable Pulse have found ‘high’ levels in 3 out of the 10 samples tested. The shocking results point to glyphosate levels building up in women’s bodies over a period of time, which has until now been refuted by both global regulatory authorities and the biotech industry.

The levels found in the breast milk testing of 76 ug/l to 166 ug/l are 760 to 1600 times higher than the European Drinking Water Directive allows for individual pesticides (Glyphosate is both a pesticide and herbicide). They are however less than the 700 ug/l maximum contaminant level (MCL) for glyphosate in the U.S., which was decided upon by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) based on the now seemingly false premise that glyphosate was not bio-accumulative.

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There is a political and corporate agenda, backed by massive lobbying, cooperation of member states and shady ass regulations made behind revolving doors, to keep glyphosate and other agrochem inventions on the market at all costs. You will run into their useful idiots here on Reddit too. Our entire food system has been hijacked and polluted by this cheap mass produced GMO processed junk food shit - look at ingredients in the food you buy and there is most likely GMO fillers such as canola, soybean or corn added. How about some farm raised salmon where they have added red coloring, synthesized from petrochemicals in a lab, to the fish feed so that it looks more like salmon? By the way that fish feed also contains corn gluten, soybean and GMO yeast. Or how about some cellulose in your grated Parmesan cheese? It's cheaper to produce, technically "edible" and "you can't tell a difference anyway". Feel free to eat what we feed you, sheeple.

[–]KidzKlub[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

This is beautiful! I'm going to dig in to this. Thank you.

edit: oh I see what you're talking about with the downvotes. Wonder why your comment is being singled out? Hmm, maybe because it contains actual information!

[–]ragecry 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

No problem I will keep it updated if I think of anything else.

You should know that many of these studies and facts have come under heavy fire from Monsanto and their ilk, so be prepared and remain skeptical. Especially the Seralini studies, of which one was retracted from a journal due to pressure from Monsanto. I've debunked that retraction in full elsewhere. They also really fucking hate Seneff, Huber, Shiva, Pusztai (remember the Flavr Savr? lol), and any other scientists or activists looking for negative health effects in their products.

They will put a lot of science and authority behind their rebuttal, but if you keep researching, you'll find that they are just playing PR and blowing smoke up your ass. It's all sleight of hand with them. Debate one of their buffoons for a while and you'll see.

[–]KidzKlub[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh absolutely. I've done a little research on the main players who are out there trying to discredit Seneff and it always leads back to a pharm or ag company. Just look at Derek Lowe and his connection to Vertex Pharmaceuticals.

Speaking of debating their buffoons, one of them followed me to another subreddit trying to catch me alone, and I'm debating him now. Check my post history.

[–]ragecry 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Some of the buffoons are already targeting your thread. My comment was down voted not 10 minutes after making it, and factbasedorGTFO from /r/GMOMyths is in here flinging shit around like usual. That's how you know they're astroturfing the whole subject, searching Reddit furiously 24 hours a day for the words GMO, Monsanto, Roundup, etc...

https://np.reddit.com/r/GMOMyths/comments/55mv4f/research/

[–]KidzKlub[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow, I'm actually attracting some attention. That's funny!

And yea factbasedofGTFO, that's the one who followed me. He seems very upset with me. I did a through search into his post history and posted the results here.

[–]tmprod 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's been found in prenatal vitamins and also organic wines from California.

[–]Cat-Hax 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

A chemical that's been in use since the 70s and they claim it's safe, I don't think so, I work pest control and I can tell you that they change chemical types and formulas every few years because they find out some part or it MIGHT be harmful to a none target animal/plant.

[–]cannibaloxfords 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

So Monsanto told them how to do the study AND used its own labs to determine that the results were valid. This seemed pretty fishy to me. Unsurprisingly, three months later the same scientists (plus one more Monsanto employee) did another study using this detection method to determine that glyphosate was NOT detected in breast milk.

This is why these days you have to find out who funded the study and where the people involved work at, and if there are any Monsanto ties, you can toss the study out as biased, because these fuckers twist and manipulate everything they can so it shows them in a positive light while hiding or lying about the glyphosate connection.

As someone who lives in the U.S. and has a myriad of health problems, surprisingly the 2 times I've spend 50+ days in the Himalayan mountains on the India side, drinking mountain water (UV Light filtered) 100% organic diet, and fresh/clean high altitude air, my health is always perfect at 100% there.

I still can't replicate that here in the U.S.

[–]Bisquie 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

I wonder if there's any connection in a region's saturation of glysophate and the amount of chronic illness found.

The thought came to mind because of the multiple sclerosis news I follow. A few months back, I read about a possible link between MS and tryptophan/gut bacterias. I've repeatedly heard that Canada is the MS capital of the world. Makes me wonder where we'd rank on a list of top glysophate using countries.

In the two years since the MS appeared, I've been a whole other person when I escape civilization.

[–]tmprod 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

That- and fluoride. Both kill gut bacteria.

[–]Hypnoncatrice -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Please no fluoride conspiracies devalue legitimate concerns such as this.

[–]dopeedits 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

So drinking a neurotoxin like fluoride is harmless?

[–]tmprod 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Noted, however they need to still be considered. We'll stay on Glyphosate in this thread.

[–]Loud_Volume 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey man thanks for the research! Thanks for sharing, and thank you for putting time into this. More people need to see this, and I'm going to read it a few times To fully understand. Thanks again man you're doing gods work.

[–]dcodcodco 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kudos to you and all the other contributors. You folks are the reason to come to this subreddit. Keep up the fine work!

[–]RMFN 24ポイント25ポイント  (15子コメント)

This should be stickied.

[–]voteforcorruptobot 14ポイント15ポイント  (11子コメント)

Indeed it should, /u/SovereignMan /u/TheGhostOfDusty /u/JamesColesPardon anyone want to have a sticky vote for this? The Clinton email one has been up 11 days and I'm the third person asking. Thanks.

[–]SovereignMan[M] 16ポイント17ポイント  (10子コメント)

I've requested a vote of the mod team. Thanks for the suggestion.

[–]voteforcorruptobot 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

No probs, it's an interesting and well researched piece, thanks man.

[–]factbasedorGTFO -18ポイント-17ポイント  (8子コメント)

Sticky anti-vaccine charlatan Stephanie Seneff to a subreddit?

That'll go over good, watch.

[–]JamesColesPardon[M] 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Borderline Rule 4 here. I'll be watching your account, on the hour, watching for other rule violations from here on out.

Know that within minutes of posting anything violating this sub (or any other sub I mod in - of which you show up regularly) it will be removed and your permissions of what you can and can not do on this site will be limited.

Thank you for visiting reddit.com.

-an unpaid, grumpy mod who works for free with a case of the Mondays.

[–]dks42 -6ポイント-5ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is "conspiracy". You don't need "facts", just "research", i.e. "youtube".

[–]voteforcorruptobot 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

So go away and don't come back, we won't mind.

[–][削除されました]  (1子コメント)

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    [–]Sabremesh[M] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Removed. Rule 10.

    [–]factbasedorGTFO -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No one likes having their core beliefs challenged. A circlejerk you won't get, even with the harassment that goes on in here.

    [–]JamesColesPardon 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It's good to have friends in places.

    [–]RMFN 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    A person's friends is a measure of their influence.

    [–]JamesColesPardon 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I imagine we are musing both about quantity as well as quality.

    [–]whipnil 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Couple the leaky gut with the byproducts of high carb diets aike alcohol and ketones from fermentation and you have a population pickling their cns with those toxins. But yeah sure, put gm grains on the eat most part of the food pyramid.

    [–]KidzKlub[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Yep, that is very important. I probably should have given it its own section. I have not focused much on alcohols and ketones from carbs, thanks for giving me a direction!

    [–]spam_javelin 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Ketones from a high carb diet?

    [–]KidzKlub[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I have no idea. Like I said, I haven't looked into them much. Maybe he was referring to drinking alcohol and ketones, not really sure.

    [–]Hypnoncatrice 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Leaky gut is garbage and devalues the actual concern here.

    [–]KidzKlub[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't think so. Leaky gut is a co-factor with a lot of really bad diseases. I need to do more research on zonulin, which is produced by bad gut microbes and breaks down the tight junctions lining the digestive tract. I haven't found direct evidence, but it seems reasonable that because glyphosate kills good microbes and leaves the bad ones, it could cause leaky gut.

    [–]dejeneration 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Wow, thank you for this, saved and I agree with RMFN: This should be stickied.

    It's worth nothing, also, that non-GMO crops like wheat and sugarcane get a heavy, heavy dose as it's sprayed on them to uniformly dry them at harvest. So anyone avoiding GMOs isn't safe from it - it's in our wheat (and worth a look for culpability re:gluten sensitivity issues) and sugar. And very much in waterways as a result (so much that a species of neurotoxic cyanobacteria found in midwestern/Canadian lakes and Florida waterways has evolved to thrive on it).

    The EPA released a report a few months ago that actually listed how much is used for each crop in the US - and quickly removed it (although it was a positive for Moonsanto, their PR folks quickly touted it). Ecowatch or one of the other sites actually grabbed a copy before it was yanked back down - but I can't find it now (if anyone does, can you link it for us?) - it was really helpful because it did show how much was used per crop type, kind of a helpful guide on what to avoid to minimize your exposure. It sucks, because all we can do is minimize, it's impossible to restrict it completely.

    ANH has done their own testing, though, and it's worth checking as a guide to possible exposure(PDF).

    [–]KidzKlub[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Thank you for this. The desiccation issue is really important. Also this gives me an important opportunity to point out how absurd the FDA's determination of "safe" levels of glyphosate are. I've seen studies showing negative effects FAR below what is considered safe by the FDA. Europe is much better at this.

    [–]54b45b54 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    As far as i can tell, this works, got it from a quantum chemist specialized in water with a keen interest in biology that makes lectures in France. It was further confirmed by a French pharmacist who took it upon herself to verify after being told not to by institutions, she left lengthy video testimony of her life and experiments before she died (of old age). Unfortunately all the material is in French, but it seems to work, does on me anyway, if it's real, medicine, at least as far as infections are concerned, can be much much simpler, but less profitable hehe. Imagine the level of absurdity if it's really like that.

    [–]KidzKlub[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Are you able to give the name of the chemist or the pharmacist. That picture is a bit different than what I've always thought.

    [–]54b45b54 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The chemist is Marc Henry from the University of Strasbourg, the pharmacist is Jeanne Rousseau, here is her testimony

    edit: note that i recreated the picture to the best of my ability, but i think i got everything in the right spot, except for the <100PPM mineral salts water, that's just an excellent rule of thumb to have good drinking water, it doesn't necessarily fall there, even if that's the optimal spot

    [–]tmprod 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Seneff and Sterling among others actually presented to members of the EPA-again in July in DC. She said they were not very interested in her studies or showed much respect to the group. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/10508974

    [–]ILoveJuices 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

    More interesting is glyphosate was classified as a class 2 carcinogen by the WHO. More interesting is that round-up itself is never studied in these research papers, only glyphosate. When you actually study the combination of chemicals in round-up you have a much higher incidence of cancer and other health problems.

    [–]tacostep 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    All a compound needs to be classified as carcinogenic is disruption of cell replication (through DNA messing up) so one could say glyphosate is a fairly good carcinogen too

    [–]ILoveJuices 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There are different carcinogen classifications based on evidence in experimental settings. Glyphosate is a class 2 carcinogen, but if round - up was able to be studied, it would easily be a class 1.

    [–]911bodysnatchers322 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Glyphosate also opens up the gut barrier, allowing more of the heavy metals we encounter to enter the bloodstream, along with many other toxins.

    Excellent research OP. It's almost as if you've made a case for Glyphosate to be the perfect eugenics genocide chemical for a multipronged attack on all life in the planet

    [–]JamesColesPardon 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    A silent weapon for a quiet war, even.

    [–]911bodysnatchers322 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    It's true. If you look at all these controversies holistically, this perspective comes into view. Total war against 'not us'. Poisoning through land, air, sea...by food, by drugs (legal+illegal), by media lies, by psychology (gaslighting / nonlinear warfare through arts and sciences), by eyewashing, historical destruction, electromagnetic waves, false flags, x 100 other ways

    [–]JamesColesPardon 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Yet here we are.

    [–]911bodysnatchers322 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Are you threatening me? I am cornholio.

    [–]911bodysnatchers322 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Seriously though, are you saying it's all illusion or that we are mightier than they?

    [–]borrax 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I think you're right to focus on glyphosate. Since 90% of all GMO crops are round-up ready crops, when people complain about GMO, they are really complaining about round-up ready. However, there are some serious flaws in your scientific reasoning.

    First, your suggestion that glyphosate could incorporate into proteins where glycine should go seems extremely unlikely. Saying the only difference between glycine and glyphosate is the phosphonate is like saying that the only difference between glycine and alanine is the methyl group, or that the only difference between phenylalanine and tyrosine is the hydroxyl group. These amino acids are much more similar to each other than glycine and glyphosate, but do not get confused by the protein synthesis machinery. More importantly, the phosphonate group isn't even attached the correct part of the molecule to act as a good amino acid substitute. It's a bulky group, that probably becomes negatively charged at physiological pH, further decreasing its similarity to glycine and its compatibility with protein synthesis. The fact that radiolabled glyphosate can cause C-14 to be exhaled only indicates that the glyphosate is metabolized, not that it gets incorporated into proteins.

    Second, you discuss the use of LC-MS assays to detect glyphosate. You begin that paragraph by stating that the government does not accept studies that use ELISA to detect glyphosate. The government does not decide what papers get published, that's up to publishers. I have seen papers that use ELISA to detect glyphosate, so someone is accepting them. This paper claims a 2ppb limit of detection. Anyway, LC-MS is generally regarded as an excellent analytical method, and if done correctly should be much more quantitative than ELISA, which relies on enzymatic amplification to detect small amounts of analyte. But this same amplification can lead to quantitation issues. It shouldn't surprise us to see that Monsanto publishes their own LC-MS method to detect glyphosate, they make glyphosate, they need a method to assay the product and do quality control. It's also normal to follow up a method publication with other papers that use the method. This is how labs increase their publication rate.

    There is a lot of bad "science" floating around the internet. It dilutes real science about radiation safety, pesticide safety, climate change, etc. It is our responsibility as scientists to promote good science and give accurate information to the public. I encourage you keep studying glyphosate, but please don't forget your scientific training. If you have access to a lab, feel free to test some of these hypotheses yourself, after all, glyphosate is cheap.

    [–]KidzKlub[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I've amended my post to highlight the theoretical nature of the misincorporation claim.

    [–]borrax 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I would recommend looking at research into unnatural amino acids. It takes quite a bit of work to get a fake amino acid to incorporate into a protein, but it might be more likely for one to get attached to a tRNA and then fail to properly incorporate into the protein.

    [–]KidzKlub[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Wow really cool study! How annoying that they use UAA to mean unnatural amino acids when UAA is also one of the stop codons they discuss. The thought of creating aaR synthetases that recognize codon quadruplets is mind blowing, and the implications for protein therapy is pretty awesome.

    And yes it does seem very difficult to get fake amino acids into proteins, although it's not exactly the same as accidental incorporation. Also this is for prokaryotes, not eukaryotes. The study I linked earlier had this to say

    To date, there is no evidence for the existence of equivalent proof-reading mechanisms for the ribosomal system. In other words, an amino acid analogue that can bypass the initial aminoacyl-tRNA synthetase proof-reading step could potentially be incorporated into the growing polypeptide chain without inducing termination of the translation process.

    The phosphonate chain pokes out to the side, so I don't see why it would have a problem inserting into the peptide chain, assuming it got past the synthetase.

    [–]borrax 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The side chain isn't on the alpha carbon, it's attached to the amine group. The only amino acid with a secondary amine is proline, which incorporates more slowly than other amino acids. Since glyphosate has a different group, it might not fit into the ribosome as well, and peptide bond formation might be inhibited by it.

    [–]KidzKlub[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    By god you're right! That's why I need someone like you to challenge my research (in a scientific way, not a "hurr you referenced Seneff" way). I wouldn't learn near as fast if I wasn't challenged. This doesn't rule out the possibility, but it certainly presents an obstacle to the theory.

    [–]KidzKlub[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank you. This is the kind of response I was hoping for. Like I said, I don't claim to be an expert, and I'm sure there is a lot that I am missing. I would rather be proven wrong and get closer to the truth, than get no response at all.

    On your first point, you're right that the incorporation of glyphosate into proteins is the most speculative mechanism of action I described. You're right that the phosphonate group is much more bulky than the hydroxyl group that separates phenylalanine from tyrosine making it seem far less likely that it would be misincorporated. This study contains the quote:

    A number of studies have systematically compared the specificity of a series of amino acid analogues for purified aminoacyl-tRNA synthetases and have demonstrated a remarkable lack of specificity in the binding of amino acid analogues to purified tRNA synthetases (reviewed in Igloi et al., 1978) Many of the aminoacyl-tRNA sythetases examined could be activated by a range of analogues (Richmond, 1962).

    They don't talk about glyphosate at all, and the analogues they do talk about don't have side chains as bulky as phosphonate, but it does show that misincorporation can and does occur frequently.

    The other evidence for glyphosate misincorporation, outside of the C-14, is that the long term Monsanto study on rats found interstitial disease in organs, such as COPD and basement membrane destruction, glycine being the key amino acid to these connective tissues. This is of course totally indirect and in no way proves anything, but there is at least some rationale here.

    On your second point, I know that the government can not decide what gets published, only what it will accept when it makes policy decisions. It would seem odd to me that Monsanto is only just now publishing their own method of detection for quality control, considering it was invented 46 years ago. Maybe it's just me and that makes perfect sense, idk.

    I really wish I had access to a lab with LC-MS capabilities. I would love to test the theory of glyphosate misincorporation as well, but I don't have the means.

    [–]tmprod 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Great post.

    I won't steal your fire here, it's well deserved. I want to add that some comments have gone towards:

    • reference to Seneff
    • anti vaccine
    • food based results

    1) Stephanie Seneff is a wonderful person who's position and passion has allowed her to continuously discover new elements relating to glyphosate. In person she's passionate and wonderful to speak with. Very genuine and caring on how glyphosate is contributing to the health epidemic in the USA and around the world follow her on FB, she's not a quack as some will label her.

    2) it's not about to vaccinate or not but more about what's in them. Again Seneff and another VT researcher tested a number of scheduled vaccines in the spring of 2016 and confirmed that they contain glyphosate. The MMR being a three vaccine in one contained the most.

    3) many foods and products we use and wear are plant based. They'll contain glyphosate as well. Your skin is an organ. Consuming treated food products can affect the gut, liver and brain as it can bind to and carry aluminum across the brain barrier.

    Yes it can be chelated and in studies / tests on average glyphosate passes through the body in 9-12 hours. Charcoal and humid acid. This has been shown in cattle. The damage is in the amounts you consume and while its in your body.

    I can attest to some of these attributes through my own travels. My son has ASD and after lots of testing we established a baseline (including glyphosate - he's at 2.7) we've adopted a organic juice, organic chicken strict gf/cf/sf diet. With the help of supplements and retesting regularly we've made some extreme progress in his cognition, speech, weight, and overall where he lags behind. Our family for the most part has adopted this lifestyle too and also see the benefits across the board.

    And yes, it's damn hard to find clean food.

    Lastly, I'm sure there are other threads to beat this about but I also need to mention cannabis.

    We've tried oils and RSO's to some mild help. The real benefit we see is juicing the whole plant minus the flower. Cold pressed, 2oz a day (organic of course) added to juices. It's cbd target the gut and liver. Since we've started this we've seen some real progress.

    All kinda makes sense.

    [–]KidzKlub[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Have you looked into GcMAF? I know almost nothing about it, but it might be relevant to your situation.

    Thank you for your comment, and your points are spot on.

    [–]tmprod 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We have and are using the MafActive cream as well in our treatments. Bravo and Rerum also work to produce natural GcMAF in the body.

    [–]Vitalogy0107 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Jesus man -- this is an incredible post going in my folder for later study. Thanks a ton!

    [–]ifltrdby 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    See, here I am having come to the realization that viet-nam was in fact just and nothing but a testing ground for corporate evil. We just don't all communicate as one. Yet.

    And the science done at Kaiser Wilhelm Institute published such. For the good of the people. All now hidden. The white knight, in deed.

    Apparently trace metals vs heavy metals is a thing relevant to mental health and psychopathologie.

    But what do I know.

    [–]terranlurker 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Terrific post. Thank you for your hard work!

    Now I'm left wondering what crops are safe to eat...corn is in everyfuckingthing

    [–]KidzKlub[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Yea I'm going to be working on a "how to avoid/counteract" glyphosate post soon. In the situations that you can not avoid glyphosate, there are things you can do to mitigate some of its effects, I believe.

    [–]KnightBeforeTomorrow 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Is this valid? I understand from 'normals' it's been debunked.

    Co-Formulants in Glyphosate-Based Herbicides Disrupt Aromatase Activity in Human Cells below Toxic Levels

    http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/13/3/264

    [–]KidzKlub[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Damn, that is a super relevant study here. I'll have to look into it more and see what the arguments are for and against it.

    [–]KnightBeforeTomorrow 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Here's what was said about it when I mentioned the study in /r/science.

    https://np.reddit.com/r/science/comments/4r78ue/um_research_reveals_widespread_herbicide_use_on/d4zob5f

    Those guys think of themselves as highly objective. I find them gullible when influenced by propaganda. They could possibly be right about this so I'm asking you. I hope it's useful.

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    [–]stefgosselin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    +1 for your dedication in laying this out.

    [–]gottathrowthisawayaw 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    so will buying organic keep glyphosate out of my diet?

    [–]showmeurboobsplznthx 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Be careful. People seem to die doing what you're doing.

    [–]KidzKlub[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Thanks for the concern. I think Dr. Seneff has a lot more to worry about than I do, though.

    [–]InfoDisseminator 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Don't take that user seriously. I've had so many death threats, both hints and direct threats, on multiple accounts against me I lost count. It's just one more bullshit tactic they use.

    [–]KidzKlub[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm not sure if that person was hinting or being genuine, but either way I'm not phased. I would consider it an honor if I got so close to the truth that I had to be taken out.

    [–]showmeurboobsplznthx 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Iol the only think I can kill is a bottle of whiskey. Just that people who present evidence against the health industry have crazy events happen. Truth is a weapon of mass destruction to the state.

    [–]silkchoad 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    IMO the population that you should be focusing on are the millions of animals who eat a diet composed almost exclusively of GMO grain grown with round-up. Their exposure to glyphosate would be much higher than your average American consumer's.

    An increase in health problems among huge cattle, pork, and chicken populations after switching to GMO feeds would be telling.

    [–]ngqp 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    i feel like i have no idea what any of this means so... i believe you but im questionable for everything stated only because of my part.

    [–]KidzKlub[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That's totally understandable, which is why I plan to make an info graphic to make it more easily digestible. It's taken me weeks to put this together, and this is only a brief summary of everything I've found. It's caused many a headache as I've tried to wrap my mind around it all.

    [–]boenig787 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    God damn. This guy/gal is a scientist if I've ever seen one. Great associations and links. This was a very thoughtful post that everyone needs to read (and those who don't understand will need a scientific translator lol)

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      [–]KidzKlub[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      In general, yes. According to the USDA a product can not be labelled as organic if glyphosate is used in production or handling. Be sure to look for the official organic seal as products can sometimes skirt regulations by making indirect references to being organic.

      There are also some exceptions where non-organic products can be used as ingredients in products that get labelled organic. I haven't looked in to these to see if there is any concern, but at face value they seem pretty harmless.

      [–]Shrouded56 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Keep up the research! There's much more going on here than meets the eye...

      Hunt the truth!

      [–]nodochinko 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Glyphosate has been detected in vaccines. The highest bioaccumulation of glyphosate occurs in bone and bone marrow which is the source of gelatin. Gelatin is used to create vaccines, so this is likely the way glyphosate gets into vaccines.

      Thank you for pointing this out. My broths will be organic from now on.

      [–]20thsieclefox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      So, how do we get it out of our system?

      [–]magnora7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I just wanted to add this graph: http://www.healthproductsdistributors.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/glyphosate_wheat.png

      I think this is the reason so many people seem to suddenly have difficulty digesting wheat, compared to human history. The practice of post-harvest desiccation, which kills the chaff and makes it easier to remove from the wheat but likely leaves residue on the wheat that is then digested. The practice of desiccation has exploded in the last 15 years.

      [–]KnightBeforeTomorrow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They're even spraying glyphosate in the 'wildlands'

      http://news.umt.edu/2016/06/062916herb.php

      [–]Lord_Newbie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      WOW this is some quality content.

      [–]loserlame 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      These are the same health issues that are found in those exposed to dioxin laden chemicals such as DDT, Agent orange/ purple, etc.

      [–]KidzKlub[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yea, just clicking around last night I ended up reading about agent orange and 2, 4-D and TCDD and just dioxins in general. That's a whole 'nother rabbit hole to go down. 2, 4-D often gets sprayed in conjunction with glyphosate, so it's important to know about all of it.

      [–]ImpotentOligarchs 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I'm not a neuroscientist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express, last night.

      You need to add: Depression and a myriad of other mood-related issues from the inhibition of tyrsosine, one of the most crucial aminos and precursor to catecholamine neurotransmitters norepinephrine, epinephrine and dopamine.

      • tyrosine---- L Dopa------dopamine...

      lack of dopamine can negatively effect your life is many ways. (concentration, motivation, cognition, lethargy, memory, depression, etc)

      Dopamine, Serotonin can't cross the blood brain barrier, and can only be created in the brain (pineal gland). Do some research on the pineal gland and you'll find out why the govt. wants to badly to suppress it's powers.

      [–]KidzKlub[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Yes, deficiency of neurotransmitters due to amino acid deficiencies is a really important aspect at play here. The pineal gland is super important and I love it, but you're slightly off. Serotonin is produced in the Raphei Nuclei with tryptophan as a precursor. Later, serotonin can be turned into melatonin in the pineal gland.

      [–]ImpotentOligarchs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I meant melatonin.. my bad. It's been a long day!!

      they are only like an inch apart anyway haha.

      [–]gromath 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      it's worth mentioning that aminoacids are responsible for the proper production of neurotransmitters like dopamine, serotonin, etc. thus causing the current OCD; social anxiety, neurosis epidemic

      [–]CaucasianEagle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It may be the chloroplast's close relation to the mitochondria which is associated autism. Autism mimics mitochondrial damage.

      http://www.naturalnews.com/041749_mitochondria_GMOs_glyphosate.html

      [–]colordrops 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Now this is the kind of research that will get you to commit suicide with two bullets to the back of the head.

      [–]orchid_breeder 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      chemist/biologist here.

      Surfactant is a fancy word for a soap. Washing plant material that is in contact with anything that has a surfactant on it helps get rid of it.

      why do they need a surfactant? 2 reasons - #1, to reduce the contact angle of the water mist they are spraying it with on the plant (look up contact angle), and #2 to increase the solubility of glyophosate.

      Citrates solubility in water is 117.43 g/100 mL, glyphosphate is 1g/100mL, or over a 100 fold difference.

      Citrate is highly soluble in water because it carries 3 negative charges. Glyphosate will only have one partial negative charge. The best chelators are things like EDTA (4 oxygens with available electrons), or citrate (3 oxygens with available electrons).

      Aluminum carries a 3+ charge. citrate = -3. They go together like big magnets. Glyphosate does not have it.

      I believe glyphosate is bad for a whole host of reasons, but certainly not those two.

      [–]KidzKlub[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yes the evidence for glyphosate chelation of Al is not for sure, and I think I focused on the wrong thing in that section. I think what is more important is that glyphosate opens up the gut barrier causing more Al to get into the blood stream. Citrate does a perfectly fine job on its own bringing Al into the brain.

      BTW, as a chemist/biologist what do you think of the part about aluminium chloride inactivating glyphosate in that study? Does that indicate that Al binds to or is chelated by glyphosate?

      [–]Mrbumby -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There's no conspiracy, only men's stupidity and greed.

      • Glyphosate is highly effective, it increases yield through different mechanism and it is toxic if you consume it.

      • if you use it early in the harvest cycle it will be destroyed by UV radiation before you harvest your corps. Food contamination is absolutely minimal. Farmers are told to use it this way.

      • but farmers give a flying fuck about instructions if they can increase their profit. Used late in the harvest cycle glyphosate puts the plant under a lot of stress and the plant produces larger fruits. But now you have massive contamination.

      Source: technical officer of Bayer.s Corp science department (not me)