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[–]Weemm 253ポイント254ポイント  (44子コメント)

Remember when it used to be all "Sanders Good"?

[–]zenicaone 71ポイント72ポイント  (13子コメント)

It was at least some what mixed - many articles "Sanders Good" than few attacking him or "Hillary good"

Also it is a little bit different than current case - There was very few things to attack Sanders on - He genuinely was/is better politician/person than Hillary is weather you agree or not with his politics.

Now both candidates are equally shit (for different reasons maybe but still) - so there is plethora of material to attack or support both candidates, yet somehow r politics is full on 100% proHillary and antiTrump

[–]120z8t 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

yet somehow r politics is full on 100% proHillary and antiTrump

r/politics's majority is left leaning, we are a month a way from a presidential election. It is no surprise that most post are anti-Trump or pro-Hillary. What makes it to the front page of any sub is decided on up/down votes so again no surprise that a sub with a left leaning user base has upvoted left leaning politics to that subs front page.

[–]cmdrogogov 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Most of the folks that used to post there don't. During the Sanders campaign I started paying a bit more attention, especially after Super Tuesday which was arguably the first real instance where the trolls really showed up and began attacking that sub.

Unsurprisingly, the same accounts kept popping up in r/politics and multiplied from there.

At this point it's a sea of tagged and ignored troll accounts with worryingly uniform posting histories.

I pretty much stopped posting there, better to just ignore the entire sub.

[–]FUBARded [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I think that's because a majority of Trump supporters are over at /r/TheDonald, and democratic / undecided people are at /r/politics.

I've noticed that a majority of /r/politics posts are either neutral, or slightly in favour of the democrats, in that there are generally less front-page posts to the detriment of Sanders and now Clinton, and a lot opposing Trump. This is obviously more than balanced out in how there are almost always multiple /u/TheDonald posts on the front-page which are always either strongly pro-Tump, or anti-Clinton in nature.

I think a lot of this bias in posts would've been eliminated if there were a subreddit dedicated to Clinton, as there is for Trump. /u/politics should be kept neutral, and the way it is now setup, it look like it kinda isn't.

[–]Mamitroid3 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

For a good 5 months, Sanders was god, Hillary was the devil. Amazing switch in sentiment she's managed to pull off.

[–]120z8t 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Amazing switch in sentiment she's managed to pull off.

Not really. Sanders lost the primary. So of course anyone who describes themselves as a liberal or democrat has moved that support to Clinton. Just like the people behind Cruz or Rubio have moved their support over to Trump. I mean, it happens every election cycle like this.

[–]LaXandro [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I thought a big part of Sanders supporters decided to rather vote third party than Clinton in the end. Same with Cruz and Rubio supporters that vote for president and their policies and not for a party (which is and always was a stupid idea).

[–]socsa 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

Right? Maybe the vast majority of people here actually find Trump deplorable. I mean, unless there was also a conspiracy to get Bernie elected via an /r/politics circle jerk.

[–]Bishop0fBanterbury 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

What? You mean to tell me that people are trying to get karma by shitting on a candidate that's done everything in his power to be a massive tool? Get out of here.

[–]steelnuts 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Two weeks back it was sort of turned off. It went pro Trump for a while. Talk of a ctr break

[–]justinmchase 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Back when upvoters were real people and were doing it for the love of the candidate! Now it's just a 9-9 job for some poor schmuck in India.

[–]DrPineappleButts 512ポイント513ポイント  (81子コメント)

I do want to just remind you. Anti Trump is not nessecarily pro Hillary. In my opinion they both suck and deserve to get deported and "lost" at a Russian black site or something. But the main point of this post is how for a "bastion of free speech" reddit mods are doing a piss poor job of letting it be "free" for whatever reason.

[–]J_P_E_Zorg 114ポイント115ポイント  (2子コメント)

you don't have to go that far, there are black sites in Chicago

[–]plurality 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow thanks for the link. I've been reading through some really interesting and previously unknown stuff for an hour now. Are there any other similar sites that have been exposed since?

[–]NonsensicalOrange 35ポイント36ポイント  (5子コメント)

the main point of this post is how for a "bastion of free speech" reddit mods are doing a piss poor job of letting it be "free"

That point doesn't come across at all in this post. This just shows votes or threads are in Hillary's favour, just implies Hillary is more popular on /r/politics.

I've heard moderators in /r/politics are very bias, but you can only show that with their actions (bans/thread-removal). The problem is that the people who accuse them of bias likely have their own agenda.

Supposedly /r/politics is, and always has been, a left leaning sub. I can't really complain, by pushing a perspective it is like every other subreddit. Make a new subreddit, for "allpolitics" or "politicaldiscussion".

[–]CarlTheRedditor 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

The craziest thing about that post is that he appears to want the mods to step in to do something. Well, the only real tools they have involve restricting speech (bans, removals). How is that going to make r/politics more free?

[–]SomeCalcium 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, it really won't.

Politics has always been extremely liberal. They don't even necessarily fancy Clinton either. It's just that Trump is having such a terrible week that he's been completely dominating the news cycle with terrible headlines.

I also feel that a lot of Bernie hold outs on reddit are finally starting to come around to Clinton. But I could be wrong about that.

[–]dajal 47ポイント48ポイント  (49子コメント)

Lovely opinion, but why are you guys (a "democracy" supposedly) stuck with 2 people you don't like?

[–]Mylon 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

First past the post voting. You can have 20 stand up and great people up for election and each of them gets 3-8% of the vote. Many would probably be fine with all but 5 of those candidates but we can't vote that way. So the 3% people drop out and their party is never heard from again. Once this repeats enough times there's only 2 parties and they no longer have to even cater to their supporters but simply appear 'less bad' than the other guys and it becomes this game of chicken of who is wiling to be the shittiest and the one that flinches first wins the election. But they're still pretty shitty. If a third party tries to enter after we're down to only 2 parties, they only enable the actual shitty candidate to win and people get jaded and stop voting third party. Which of course is why the next time it happens the third party still fails to win.

[–]0vl223 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

UK has a fptp system and still has multiple parties. It can work in a parliamentary system. It just doesn't work in a presidential system.

[–]NoPyroNoParty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It does, and it's highly deficient and unpopular too, for most, if not all, the same reasons as the US. The entirety of the rest of Europe has a form of proportional voting that leads to far better representation, including both presidential and parliamentary systems.

[–]pdx-mark 50ポイント51ポイント  (18子コメント)

why are you guys ... stuck with 2 people you don't like?

The media lead people who don't read or use the net for learning into believing only these two puddles-of-shit are of any interest. You see, I live in a country where many people believe what the TV says, they idol it! The people who produce TV know this. And with new information, we are aware that the DNC colluded with many media networks.

[–]jwoodell3 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also the baby boomer generation is really trusting of government and love their 2 party system.

[–]TheWiredWorld 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're half right. You're woefully under equipped mentally to fight the powers that be if you think they've stopped at people who watch TV.

Places like 4chan are hotbeds for shills simply shilling for the other guy. They're all just solidifying the us vs. them, false dichotomy.

[–]Statecensor 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wrong 4chan has been getting flooded with anti-Trump shills for the past two weeks. They appeared out of nowhere one night and they went to being unheard of to the most active group of users within 24 hours.

[–]chodan9 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't like either of them, but I don't think that's an issue overall when it comes to reddit.

A lot of folks do like trump for whatever reason, and a lot like Hillary too for some reason.

Don't look at reddit as a cross sampling of the electorate. It is a relativity small community with definite leanings.

I don't think this is a conspiracy as much as a display of how many redditors actually view the world.

[–]MugaSofer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They really are anomalous unpopular.

I wouldn't call it a "conspiracy", though - it's out in the open how the two-party system works.

[–]incredibleninja 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not quite. The media chase ratings. They report what gets people to buy their newspapers and watch their nightly programming.

For one, America is not a democracy, we're a democratic republic. We elect representatives who engage in democracy for us.

Two, the problem is with two, giant, corporation-like entities known as the DNC (Democratic National Convention) and RNC (Republican National Convention). As a Democrat, I'll be the first to admit that the DNC is far more corrupt. Although I don't think there was any direct intimidation by Hilary (who was very much favored and intwined with the higher ups at the DNC) there was certainly favor-pulling, press manipulation and behind-the-scenes communications to block a very popular candidate (Bernie) from winning the nomination. The biggest way they skirt democracy is the with concept of "super delegates" which is the DNC's unique way of saying even if the people DO vote for the candidate they (the DNC) don't favor, the DNC can pretty much ensure that they can nominate them anyway.

Once two people get the DNC/RNC nomination both the media and the public opinion concede that no one else can win, thus ensuring the 2-party system lives on forever.

This election cycle the Democrats got a conniving, corrupt, New York elite that they didn't want because they were the choice of the party big wigs. The Republicans got a conniving, corrupt New York elite that they actually wanted (due to the rise of American Nationalism aka Alt-Right) that was NOT the choice of the the party big wigs (Republicans don't have super-delegates.) It's a historic election for sure.

[–]TankDr5 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

That's a really astute observation, and I think you are right:

The people of the Democrat party got a candidate they didn't want, but that the big-wigged elites of their party did want.

The people of the Republican party got a candidate they did want, but that the big-wigged elites of their party didn't want.

This sounds so obvious now - and explains so much, in terms of enthusiasm ( high with Trump, low with Hillary ), rally numbers ( High with Trump, low with Hillary ), planned coordinated corruption like DNC-leaks ( take out Bernie/Populism ), corporate-mainstream media coverage as they are a mouthpiece of the big-wig-elites ( trump or assange bashing, jill stein false negative propaganda, total information control dispensing talking-point scripts and thought-think-narratives to the people ), elitist bashing/false-stigmatizing of populism, ( even coming from speeches by Obama ) etc. - it seems pretty clear that both big-wig elite sides of either party whether Democrat or Republican, are both afraid of the people through populism regaining their lost and stolen power, their voice and their dignity, they are afraid of the people having more weight on their side of the scale, and are doing everything in their power to crush the people under their posh hobnail boots, through psychological operations like soros-obama funded and operated black lives matter ( anything to divide the people ) and more, they know that a united people stands, and that the people are trying to get up, to rise and stand, but they keep knee-capping us, pushing us back down and fall - with various mechanisms of division, all with the nefarious intent to maintain the big-wig elitist control of the people; it is always nice when something is summarized so succinctly like this, have an upvote.

[–]MechaGentlemanJack 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our media is 24/7 disinformation overload, each station catering to a certain bias. There's no laws effectively enforcing media to dole out equal coverage for all candidates. Again, the 24/7 news networks quickly run out of actual news, so it devolves from news to opinion shows on the topic of the day pretty much immediately.

Good example of this: the other day I got a bit too high and decided to watch a 24/7 news network all day. The entire 6 hours I watched, they only talked about the Charolette shooting. But they never said anything news wise, only their opinion on the matter. For 6 hours, two talking heads yelled over each other, arguing about who was in the right in the case of the Charolette shooting, while simultaneously never actually giving any new info regarding the shooting, or covering any other news in anything more than a single sentence blurp. Also, literally zero mention of a third party candidate. 24/7 news networks aren't news, they are propaganda tools.

Tl;dr: 24/7 news networks have TV personalities pretending to be news anchors and have conned the general public into rooting for the two parties in the very same way people root for sport teams.

[–]snobord 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're not a democracy, we're an oligarchy. The only question at this point is how accepting of this the people have become? Are we not only willing to accept the oligarchy but are also willing to let ruling class use corruption to cling to their power?

[–]Lowefforthumor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because the parties and the money backing them choose the candidates.

[–]UScossie 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

We aren't a democracy and never were supposed to be, we are a constitutional federation of republics.

[–]hillbillybuddha 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The United States is a federal republic and a constitutional representative democracy.

[–]ChieferSutherland 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There were 17 on the GOP side

[–]doughboy666 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

The reality of our "Free" system, is that the elite get to decide which players you have to choose from. Don't get me wrong Trump is awful, but was there even a republican running that was quantifiably better, other than Jeb? And there was no way we would elect another bush this soon.

[–]Curt04 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty much the day after the election in 2012 the media was already saying that Clinton will be the Democratic nominee in 2016. If people hear something thousands of times over years they are likely going to believe it and think it is true.

[–]SouthrnComfort 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because we have a first past the post voting system, which encourages a two party system. Blaming the media is yet another case of misplacing blame... The media bias is because of the concentration of power that is inherent to a two party system.

[–]Sorry_that_im_an_ass 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because we are a nepotism loving, fascist regime that we call a Democracy. Most of the people in the states think our goverment is completely out of line with the citizenry.

[–]BunburyGrousset 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Partly because politicians have been for decades spouting that, "If you vote for a third-party candidate, you are essentially voting for my opponent in the other main party. In other words, your vote doesn't really matter!"

[–]Gr8_M8_ 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I absolutely agree that neither Trump nor Clinton is ideal, but there's another issue. The entire concept of Reddit contradicts absolute free speech. Because of the whole upvote-downvote system, popular opinions will naturally win out, so it could be that Reddit's main demographic just hates Trump above all. If the mods tried to make it look balanced, they would have to arbitrarily censor posters with popular opinions, which seems to be biased in favor of the unpopular movement. Also, there's the whole idea that's pretty ubiquitous among Trump supporters on Reddit that the mainstream is out to get them, although that's clearly a bit of a stretch. Trump supporters might just stay in their own "bastions of free speech" rather than go to the main political sub. Sure, some of them show up, but the reaction they get from the opposition at times discourages it.

[–]pdx-mark 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'd also like to remind people that "actual news" is not part of r/politics.

r/politics is for politics. r/news is for news. For everything else shaddy, r/conflictofinterest

[–]Johnny-Skitzo 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

Funny how a mod of /r/news is also a mod of the Shitlery sub

[–]T-Nan 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, /r/news is more like /r/undelete and the Donald... like every sub, it has an agenda. But it's more fun to pretend only the "other" side is radically biased right??

[–]TAEHSAEN 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its a default subreddit therefore the moderators should at least put an effort to keep things fair on their part. Yet they go out of their way to encourage Clinton support and obstruct Trump support (not that I care).

undelete doesn't push Trump propaganda, it just so happens Trump propaganda gets deleted the most.

[–]Sososkitso [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So you are saying that Reddit has already become the actually media networks we hate but we still have it in our heads that we are some how more free and open to discuss.

[–]d4rch0n 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Anti Trump is not necessarily pro Hillary

Well, do the semantics really matter here if it directly benefits her for people to believe these headlines?

We basically have one of two choices, and some people like Hillary but a lot of people hate Trump. I'd bet that Hillary's best bet this election is to garner so much hate for Trump that people are relieved when she's elected. They don't have to love her, they just have to tolerate her and hate Trump. We saw this more than anything in the debates. More than half of what she said was directed at making Trump look bad. There was no subtlety in it. And her ad campaigns?? "Do you want this man near the big red button." Anti Trump is certainly pro Hillary. That's how she's running her campaign at this point. It doesn't matter how many email scandals exist as long as people hate Trump, as long as people are looking at the controversial things he says. "Forget about the emails, forget about third parties, focus on hating this guy"

When you have two party politics, anti one is pro the other already. And all the third party hate is definitely in Hillary's best interests. We have a lot of mostly democrat voters who were voting for Bernie, and now that he lost and so much faith has been lost in the DNC from the leak and stolen primaries, a substantial group of people are flocking to third parties. People who initially wanted Trump still want Trump. She's not getting them even if we caught Trump on video smoking crack. It's the third parties that are mostly breaking up the democratic vote. She just needs to get people to hate Trump and think that voting third party is electing Trump, which is pretty true anyway with our first past the post bullshit. The swing voters are mostly pissed off democrats and if she can garner enough hate for Trump and enough fear for voting third party, she'll probably win.

[–]cutol 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trumps only job is to be Clinton's foil, so anti-Trump is absolutely pro-Clinton.

[–]aaaaa2222 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you.

Its a 2-party system. Anti-Trump content is absolutely going to increase Clinton's chances of winning. This is basic math and common sense.

How the hell did that nonsense comment get upvoted so high?

[–]neither_party 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course it as, as it's a 2 person race.

[–]TheWiredWorld 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

All anyone has to do is go to 4chan's /pol/ and it's just the OP inverted.

[–]snobord 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

At the very least this cycle has shown us that reddit is the bastion of free speech like CNN is journalism.

[–]120z8t 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The mods can't control how users up/down vote. Sure they can remove a post from the front page of the sub or sticky a post to the front page, but can't do anything to get a politically balanced r/politics front page. That is all up to the majority of users.

[–]Anal_Vacuum 202ポイント203ポイント  (78子コメント)

/r/politics is basically satire at this point

[–]JoseJimeniz 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

...glass houses.

I still can't figure out if /r/conspiracy is mocking conspiracy nuts.

[–]jacks1000 86ポイント87ポイント  (72子コメント)

No, /r/politics has ALWAYS been a far left progressive sub that promotes the Democratic party establishment. Since day one. It has never not been a Democratic party sub.

In fact, it's such a farce that even reddit - a far left progressive Democratic establishment website - took /r/politics off of the default sub list because it was embarrassing them.

[–]ReginaldJTrottsfield 108ポイント109ポイント  (47子コメント)

far left progressive sub that promotes the Democratic party establishment.

The Democratic Party is center right, more or less indistinguishable from the Republican Party establishment. Definitely not far left. Even when you look into their more "liberal" members like Elizabeth Warren, they support things like marijuana prohibition and endless wars in the Middle East.

[–]SigmundFloyd76 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

"The illusion of choice"

-Noam Chomsky

"If you're going to let the people decide, well you're going to want to control the choices..."

-Noam again.

[–]Khanthulhu 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funny you bring him up. He was the first person I heard describing the Democratic party as being the right. On mobile so no sources, but he then went on to say that the Democrats have very little for the middle class and the only thing the Republicans have for the middle class is "a punch in the nose." These are our choices.

[–]MidnightSquad 26ポイント27ポイント  (7子コメント)

What the fuck are you talking about? Since fucking when is Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party far left? They're not even left, they range from center right to right wing

[–]MisterMeatloaf 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

They are a new alignment: power money. It dictates their actions completely

[–]zefy_zef 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is the entirety of our government, at least two houses, probably all three. Our representatives spend something like over 70% of their time raising money. This is stupid.

[–]satanicpriest13 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

But now politics even shuns the Bernie supporters. They have evolved according to the narrative. It used to be mainly pro Sanders posts, but after he got cucked the posts started decreasing. Now it's all pro hillary.

[–]MidnightSquad 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

It all started when Correct the Record got their million dollar fundings

[–]Emerald_Triangle 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well, for a time, it did favor Ron Paul - not exactly 'left-wing'

[–]drewshaver 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

took /r/politics off of the default sub list because it was embarrassing them.

Wow I had not heard about this! Very glad this happened.

[–]tocaloque 329ポイント330ポイント  (61子コメント)

Maybe Trump is objectively bad? Most stories about hurricanes are pretty negative towards hurricanes. Is that bad reporting?

[–]Anal_Vacuum 153ポイント154ポイント  (36子コメント)

Hillary and Trump are both objectively bad. However any negative Hillary posts get downvoted. Its not that there aren't any posts criticizing Hillary, its just that they're all deleted or downvoted

[–]Gpzjrpm 54ポイント55ポイント  (10子コメント)

There were like 30 posts on 9/11 when Hillary was sick.

[–]flimflam2020 106ポイント107ポイント  (13子コメント)

Hillary posts get downvoted deleted

Remember that story about Clinton that made it to the front page of reddit with 7000 upvotes and a mod responded in the thread saying that /r/politics doesn't censor posts. A few hours after that it was deleted. Fuck that subreddit.

[–]Mylon 52ポイント53ポイント  (0子コメント)

How about the post where Clinton's own website was attacking Pepe the frog and the comments were full of hysterics painting Clinton as retarded and out of touch. That thread got deleted and it was soon reposted in an attempt to sweep the massive backlash under the rug.

[–]Khanthulhu 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, /r/politics is pretty bad. Got any alternatives? /r/TrueReddit gets some really good political posts, but they aren't exclusively political.

[–]logicalrat 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounding remotely anti-hillary or pro-trump gets you downvoted.

[–]moistchunk 46ポイント47ポイント  (3子コメント)

Regardless of how you feel about Trump, negative stories about Hillary are basically banned on the subreddit. There are plenty of negative stories about Hillary, but those don't show up on the subreddit at all.

Are there a lot of negative stories about Trump? Yes, obviously, because almost every major news organization or paper in the country is supporting Clinton. Are there just as many negative stories about Hillary? Outside of the mainstream media, yes.

One of my primary issues with r/politics is the moderators. They blatantly censor many articles they dislike with the "title not exact" bullshit when that's not something they care about with articles that aren't offensive to the left-leaning majority of the subreddit.

In addition, the subreddit allows many well-known bullshit outlets that are a joke, such as Motherjones, The Daily Beast, Buzzfeed, Salon, Daily Mail, Huffington Post, and more, while disallowing similarly biased right-leaning websites such as Breitbart.

Not to mention you can go down this screenshot and see that the vast majority of news articles on here are from places that endorsed Clinton. NYTimes, Washington Post, and more.

If you remove from this list places that have not endorsed Hillary Clinton and those which are not blatantly left-leaning websites, you'll find that the list of negative articles about Trump is very, very short.

[–]Pacify_ [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Breitbart.

Breitbart is nothing more than an elaborate, borderline conspiracy blog. I would be rather disgusted if it wasn't deleted lol

[–]Britzer 38ポイント39ポイント  (4子コメント)

Donald "check out sex tape" Trump can't be bad. Everything is equal. conspiracy!!

[–]FezDaStanza 65ポイント66ポイント  (5子コメント)

Soviet-level Propaganda

That's funny commentary about a page where content is dictated by individual votes.

This is Reddit. Why would you expect content on /r/politics to be ruled by forces any different than those that dictate /r/aww or /r/adviceanimals?

The general public prefers to discuss things that are emotionally stimulating. Anger and laughter are going to dominate over neutral or saddening. Furthermore, things that are being talked about in the greater public sphere are also more likely to catch a reader's eye, and get a click.

Trump dominates the news cycle. That's his exact strategy. Has been since almost the beginning. He also, undeniably, puts out so much more negative than positive. You cannot blame Reddit to want to consume that. It's entertaining: it makes people angry and it makes people laugh. The Clinton campaign, by not stirring the pot about any of her scandals, has made her controversies boring in comparison. That's definitely a bad thing because there ought to be discussion about it. But when there's nothing new it becomes boring and boring things don't get page views.

Finally, posting a screenshot of /r/politics after a whole weekend of Trump gaffes and then calling the page anti-Trump like going to /r/nfl on the day after the Superbowl and claiming it's anti-whichever-team-lost.

[–]edmod 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you're spot-on here, but I would also add that what contributes to /r/politics state is probably also the demographics of the subreddit. It's democracy in action, and probably a bit of tyranny of the majority.

[–]lkjhgfdsamnbvcx 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trump dominates the news cycle. That's his exact strategy.

Exactly. The guy seeks out controversy, and negative coverage. And it works for him- pissing off the majority is exactly how Trump attracted a large, vocal minority of vehement supporters, who stick by him no matter how incompetent, self-contradictary, ignorant of basic policy, or generally obnoxious he gets.

Also, it allows him to play the victim; "oh, look how biased everyone is".

There is a certain media bias against Trump, but there's also a bias in his favor; if any other politician did a mocking impersonation of a reporter's cerebral palsy, that shit would be all anyone talked about. Or if they had meltdown mid-debate to call some celebrity fat. Or repeatedly retweet someone with a twitter handle of "WhiteGenocide". Dozens of politicians have had careers ended over much lesser 'gaffes'. But Trump has said dozens of things like that- it gets a day or two of coverage, then we're on to the next retarded thing he does.

Clinton is laying much lower- not deliberately courting controversy, and running a traditional campaign. Also Trump and his supporters have made a bunch of wild, unsupported conspiracy theories about Clinton; she's killed hundreds of people, photoshopped pictures claiming she's a Klan supporter, as well as Trumps other conspiracy stuff; anti-vax, climate change is a Chinese myth, the birther stuff. Of course no-one listens, now, when they launch some new claim (even if there might be some truth buried in the bullshit).

Trump, his campaign, and his supporters have had a large dose of trolling through-out thier campaign- and they've reaped the rewards of that. They can't complain when they also have to wear the negative consequances, too.

[–]Saikou0taku 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

*there is a certain media bias in his favor

I'd agree for the following reason:Every gaffe has multiple editions, and every gaffe gets its own article.

For example, when Hillary Fainted, there was only a few main stories, namely, 1) she fainted 2) she has health issues 3) It's pneumonia guys 4) Her PR statement following

If Trump fainted, we'd have all of the above, plus articles about how he lied about his good health, a few expert doctors weighing in on why he is "medically" unfit to be President, and more.

Furthermore, his scandals seem to constantly have "updates". It's not that he insulted the Kahns, there's an investigation into his previous treatment of muslims, there's him saying "maybe she couldn't speak... b/c Islam" etc. All of these were separate articles. Furthermore, his campaign has been consistently pressed for comments on these stories, with reporters eagerly attempting to goad him into another stupid statement.

[–]Mylon 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

individual votes

We don't have voter ID laws on reddit so it's probably 90% bots.

Oh and mods get this 'super downvote' called deletion. The stuff that turns up in r/undelete is quite illuminating.

[–]TyrannosuarezRex 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

We don't have voter ID laws on reddit so it's probably 90% bots.

Which explains how posts in the_safespace get 500 upvotes with no comments

[–]Stormray117 119ポイント120ポイント  (28子コメント)

I find it scary how Correct The Record took over. The Bernie circlejerk and anti Hillary posts were all the rage, now it's hard to find a negative post.

I mean come on, it's not like reddit liberals, aka the hivemind, all suddenly liked Hillary once Bernie lost, there's shill interference.

[–]glad1couldhelp 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find it scary how Correct The Record took over.

not that hard when you have 6 $ million in funding

[–]zenicaone 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Its laughable that they don't know how to balance their push for Hillary.

Their "work" just made me not to go to r/politics, because it became full on biased pro-Hillary sub.

If they really wanted to have some results they would let few unbiased articles here and there, but no, every single article has to be either against-Trump or pro-Hillary.

If anything this can just make those who were neutral at the beginning, to sway towards Trump.

At least Trump people keep their shits mostly in The_Donald (openly biased pro-Trump sub) and do not try to take over other (general politics) subs on a daily (hourly) basis.

[–]Johnny-Skitzo 38ポイント39ポイント  (4子コメント)

Anyone with two brain cells can see that. Calling them out on it is a different story. You even mention CRY in that sub and the shills attack.

[–]Reiker0 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

You even mention CRY in that sub and the shills attack.

I mentioned it and got banned for a week. So the mods are in on it too.

[–]Salamidick 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I got banned as well for pointing it out

[–]Unic0rnBac0n 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course the mods are in on it, they control the sub.

[–]BigWillieStyles 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Part of CTRs budget is surely to flip mods. isnt thta what you would do woth that money for the most impact?

[–]blaaaahhhhh 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's hugely frightening.

Clinton has been set to be the owner since before the primaries, wine it looked like she had no chance against sanders.

Clinton and the establishment are going to destroy any chance of social media coming this close to affecting them this bad again in the future.

The bad people are winning here.

[–]DJ-Tom-3 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

The worst part is that if Clinton wins, all the other candidates will do this in the future, and then the internet, which will become a slowly fading memory of a happy playground free of corporate bias, will become unreliable and non-credible for the foreseeable future.

[–]zefy_zef 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope that people will see the writing on the walls the next time around and will be ready for these kinds of attacks.

Fire with fire and all that..

[–]Cambo_1997 -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

Nobody likes Hillary, the articles are anti-Trump not pro-Hillary. The reality is that the vast majority of Reddit hates Trump more, and so those articles are upvoted. There is no conspiracy here.

[–]hoi4navalinvasion 18ポイント19ポイント  (9子コメント)

What's interesting is that if you visit /r/all/rising/ there are lots of 'differing' opinions. But if you look at /r/all pretty much nothing gets through.

[–]Cambo_1997 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

Honestly its not that surprising though. The stuff that stays on /r/all is the stuff that the reddit hivemind agrees about. They're not gonna vote a Bernie hate article up there, just like they're not gonna upvote a Trump praise piece.

[–]ChuanFaFist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The hive mind is easily manipulated. To act as if it's something pure and unadulterated is pretty naïve.

[–]drewshaver 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think part of it is also that r\politics uses a white list for what sites are allowed to publish for their sub, and the majority of these have a strong liberal slant. And the few that don't aren't a huge fan of Trump.

[–]Lord_Augastus 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

Societ level propaganda? How far ebove or below the USA level propaganda and NKorea level of propaganda does soviet level sits?

[–]jcopta 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Must people seem to care more that it's pro-x, instead I care that are no actual links worth reading.

insert sad pepe

[–]mostly_fiction 27ポイント28ポイント  (4子コメント)

Could you do a similar analysis of /r/conspiracy? I have a feeling it would be the Trump version of what you posted for /r/politics.

[–]keyonte0 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/conspiracy is a genuine reactionary circlejerk, /r/politics is a product of vote manipulation and shilling.

[–]AverageWredditor [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Here's an experiment you can try:

Post something anti-Hillary or pro-Trump. A submission, a comment. Maybe a few. Wait a few hours, then go to your userpage. Copy the permalink for the post or comment. Open an incognito window, paste the link, and see if your post still exists.

I'm not American. I think both candidates are a joke. But without fail, every time I play devil's advocate to discuss how maybe Hillary isn't the savior of the world and maybe Trump isn't literally Satan, it gets deleted.

[–]ork78600 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Go try to ask the main board about her role in Honduras - and it gets blocked.

It's a shame most people don't know her role around the world and how dick Cheney it is.

[–]sny321 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Til r/politics is a world superpower

[–]og_m4 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

My favorite was recently Jake Tapper on CNN. Trump's tax forms get leaked, and the first thing he asks Giuliani about this is: "Is your campaign disputing the authenticity of these documents?" Somehow the media suddenly got more creative, bold and tough within a span of weeks. When the DNC leaks came out, nobody (to the best of my recollection), not even TYT, asked this question directly but instead set up a pivot to Russia and the leaked donor lists. If this isn't propaganda, I don't know what is. After years of hating Fox news, I actually understand now why they do what they do.

[–]baseball_guy 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

For equality, it should really just be equal parts Trump Bad and Clinton Bad.

[–]LawrenceRo 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

You want to talk about Soviet Level?

Last week r/The_Donald was having an AMA with Wayne Allyne Root and in a post he said he wants to support people in America who put into the system, not those who take and give nothing.

So I responded by asking, "Then how do you reconcile that idea with the fact that last night Trump said, not paying taxes makes him smart."

And the mods on that site banned me. It was the one and only thing I've posted in that thread.

[–]H0IIywood 7ポイント8ポイント  (27子コメント)

Honest question: for those strongly against Hillary, will you vote in November?

[–]gabe_athouse69 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm voting for Jill Stein. The propaganda against her is very strong, which has to be a good thing.

[–]winterspan 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gary Johnson!

[–]capri_stylee 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like his policy on bootstraps for the disabled.

[–]Anal_Vacuum 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. I'm fucking terrified of a Hillary presidency

[–]exasperated_facepalm 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I may vote 3rd party, or just vote for other issues but leave President blank. I cannot in good conscience support either candidate.

[–]Vitalogy0107 5ポイント6ポイント  (14子コメント)

No, it's a charade, both candidates support militarization of police, both support Israel, both support the Federal Reserve (one a little more than the other), both support the war on terror, war on drugs, war on the American people, war on the constitution. No, I'm not going anywhere near a fucking polling booth.

[–]Bjorn2404 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

You could consider voting for a third-party as a vote against the two-party duopoly.

[–]eleminnop 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Your vote literally doesn't matter if the election is being rigged.

[–]columbus5kwalkandrun 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Trump supports full audit of Fed and stop nation building. That's so far off script from last 50 years

[–]RandomGuy797 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nation building wasn't the problem, nation destroying was and he's still very much in favour of that, (planning to wipe out ISIS, I wonder how much "collateral" damage that's gonna cause)

[–]hartofeugene 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I agree that Hillary is shit but Donald Trump is like voting for suicide.

[–]columbus5kwalkandrun 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

How? I see opposite.

Hillary is literally owned by foreign nationalists and corporations. She's owned by her donors and is everything wrong with politics. Trump is at least potentially good.

[–]hartofeugene 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Trump potentially good? He is the exact cancer that is making America shitty. Hillary is 100 percent correct when she called his economics "Trumped up Trickle Down" economics - Reagans disastrous economic policy. How can anyone respect a man who feels he is above taxes? His economic plan is to completely shit on the poor and middle classes. By any academic standard he is a baboon.

[–]RandomGuy797 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want to vote for an anti-establishment candidate who will rewrite the rules. I know, I'll for for the multibillionaire former lobbyer who bribed 5 previous presidents who has been proven to be abusing the rules!

[–]AMLRoss 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

All media is bought. Including reddit.

I simply dont care since I cant stand either of the candidates.

All hope lost when sanders was cheated out of his rightful wins.

[–]ZenMasterFlash 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In Soviet Reddit, posts downvote you!

[–]zefy_zef 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, I think one thing that a lot of people aren't taking into account is the amount of brigading (but not brigading, srsly) that comes from other subs. I've noticed a steady trend in both /SRD and /TopMinds that is very clearly pro Hilary. Same with /NeutralPolitics. It was happening with Bernie posts and now it's happening even more with Trump posts.

If you control the focus of the discussion..

[–]VintageOG 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Been happening the entire election in r/politics, and google news. It is known

[–]The_All_Golden 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The hive mind is alive and well. I mean, what else can you talk about when all the mainstream media sites only want to talk about Trump 24/7. They don't have anti-Clinton articles because no one wants to touch her, she's shielded by the media. Its absolutely clear who the election is being rigged for.

[–]IamCGI 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not a conspiracy that a website made mostly of young liberals is more supportive of a democratic candidate

[–]TheBestWifesHusband [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hahahahaha, "soviet level propoganda?"

Fuck me, the Soviets are AMATEURS compared to America.

You know that entire fucking movie industry based around "good guys beat bad guys" narrative? Or that entire music industry overflowing with "be happy, keep on working hard" during a crippling recession? Or the millions of people who care more about their favourite sports team than the future of their country?

Yeah, American culture is 90% propoganda, yet yall have been convinced that your culture is awesome and that everyone else is lying.

The most gullible Nation on Earth.

[–]txstoploss [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

At least Ivan knew that Pravda was lying.

[–]jokersleuth [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Maybe he's a bad political candidate and that's why /r/politics dislikes him?

NVM, must be CTR.

[–]temp04984039843 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

/r/The_Donald is leaking. The title, the "data", the sheer mind-numbing stupidity.

If everybody agrees on X then, ya know, maybe consider that X is the popular opinion?

No no, what am I saying, all views should have an equal voice. Speaking of which, I've yet to see a single reddit post advocating the "gravity isn't real" point of view, clearly there's a massive conspiracy and we're all floating in space right now.

[–]AustinAuranymph 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've yet to see a single reddit post advocating the "gravity isn't real" point of view

Check out /r/theworldisflat

[–]Ideaem 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You've heard him speak right? I don't watch the news and I don't read any articles on him but I certainly don't need another person to tell me he's a skeevy human being. This doesn't mean I support Hillary either. You really don't see how he never actually says anything? You don't care that he's a business man with a track record of being deceptive and manipulative for profit? How about the disturbing comments he makes in general? Hints towards wanting a police state...? Doesn't do it for you?

[–]jacks1000 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

During the Bush administration the NYC subways were plastered with "anti-terrorism" posters encouraging people to snitch to the government.

The posters were done in "Soviet Realist Art" style - yes, the Department of Homeland Security modeled their "anti-terrorism" campaign after the Stalinist USSR.

[–]Unic0rnBac0n 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've been saying it for months! It's not a conspiracy, it's fact. The reason you don't sea any /r/hillary subreddits on the Front is because it's already there under the veil of the supposedly unbiased /r/politics.

[–]alllie 10ポイント11ポイント  (17子コメント)

But Trump is bad. Is it propaganda if it's true?

I bet this really kills the Trump shills, losing control of /r/politics. But turn about is fair play.

[–]seaker5 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

It isn't about Trump being bad, but the mods are deleting "Hillary is bad" posts. The whole point of the post wasn't about "Trump is good", but the subreddit is extremely biased towards one candidate.

[–]beehive4 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

That sub is astroturfed by Hillbots. And yes, the mods are in on it

[–]ronintetsuro 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do we really need 4 reminders a day in this sub that r/politics is horrible? It's a battleground for bots and shills. Yes, we know.

[–]Sieggi858 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

Funny how when the candidate you like is being talked negatively about, it's "shilling" and "corruption" and everything's rigged

But when people say nice things about your candidate, it's all peachy keen hunky-dory and "actual news"

Have you thought, that maybe, the majority of the world DOESNT LIKE TRUMP, and see him as a threat?

[–]maljbre19 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Record Status: Corrected

[–]zazu2006 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

God the circle jerk is unbelievable. Oh I am on r/conspiracy... carry on.

I want to believe.....

[–]ZeroNom 4ポイント5ポイント  (24子コメント)

Trump is terrible. If you don't see it, I fear for your soul. This is mostly because of the demographic reading /politics. They are just young and liberal. Big deal.

[–]Emerald_Triangle 14ポイント15ポイント  (18子コメント)

Trump is terrible.

Hillary is worse

If you don't see that ... bla, bla, bla

[–]hartofeugene 16ポイント17ポイント  (8子コメント)

If you actually believe Trump is capable of diplomacy you should watch him speak. He's a fucking idiot. 70 percent of Reddit is smarter than him.

[–]Sieggi858 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

Except she isn't.

Did Hillary open a sham of a university and conned tons of people out of their money?

Does Hillary take money out of her own charity to spend on herself, like trump has MULTIPLE TIMES?

Has Hillary lied about donating to veterans, and had to be pressured to ACTUALLY donate?

It's all good and well to dislike both candidates, but let's not stoop to false equivalency here, there is an obvious "worse choice", and while both of them have done shady things, Hillary isn't the one that has thousands of lawsuits filed against her

[–]Poppenhoffer 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Saudi funding, Benghazi, CTR, emails, selling ambassadorships, etc. etc. The woman is at the head of one of the largest pay-to-play schemes in the world under the guise of it being a nonprofit.

[–]zazu2006 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Benghazi you say? You mean that wild goose chase and waste of government spending that made republicans look like petulant children. That is a great example.

[–]Johnny-Skitzo 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

We'll see what this bombshell is Wikileaks is about to drop. You may want to ask for a raise.

[–]aaybma 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't believe i had to listen to Alex Jones in order to watch it. That man is a raving loonatic. I love how he mocked Assange for selling books and then Jones went on to sell supplements lol.

[–]Johnny-Skitzo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I turned off the Infowars feed. I went to RBS

[–]magnora7 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excellent meta-analysis. Love it.

[–]ganooosh 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The clinton bots are out in force.

I honestly have people going back and forth with me calling things like the clinton pay to play shit that's all proven through email and news stories conspiracy theory as if that's just what you can do to avoid talking about something.

Then I go to front page and trump bad, trump bad, trump bad.

[–]IamDokdo_AMA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It could also be that hanging out in your safe space at /r/the_donald has blinded you to the fact that people actually think he's an idiot. I barely know anyone who likes Clinton, but I know tons of people who hate Trump. People at /r/the_donald love to talk about free speech while banning dissent. They act like it's just the sub, but everyone knows damn well they'd censor everyone if they could.

[–]Soddington 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is it possible to have a rational discussion about the term propaganda and how it has no connection to the raw democracy of a link aggregation site? Sure r/politics is biased against Trump but then so are most people outside of The Donald.

Brietbart is propaganda. They have an agenda and they tailor their stories to promote and deliver their ideology. Its top down political machine dressed up to look like a news organisation.There is no leftist version of Brietbart or Hannity or Alex Jones or Rush Limbaugh.

Reddit is just the sum of its users. There is no content here, just links ranked by the users. No government department has vetted these stories, No minister of information has gone through and removed stories or added them. No CEO has sent memos down the line giving todays talking points. This is not propaganda.

You would be hard pressed to even call it biased since its not slanted one way or another by an editor. Its slanted the way it is by the weight of numbers of users. Its a fact that Trump rates extremely badly with those who identify as educated and its a fact that Reddits user base has a high percentage of educated people. so Trump is always going to fare poorly here. That's not propaganda, that is not bias, that's just the facts.

As I recall last time around with Mitt Romney, r/politics was biased towards Obama, but still had plenty of pro GOP stories on the top page. Trump defenders, even the devils advocate ones, have to recognize that Trump reaps exactly what he sows. He is an easy man to dislike so you can not be in anyway amazed that many many people, smart and dumb will downvote stuff that is pro Trump.

But lastly trumps defenders here have grasp the realism there is very little that can be reported about Trump that is positive. OPs picture can easily be explained by the incontrovertible fact that Trump has been acting like a fucking clown ever since the debate while an avalanche of bad news rains down on him. What good news could there possibly be to take up one of those slots?

Edit Don't think the delicious irony here is wasted on me. Downvoted on a conspiracy thread that claims r/politics is a conspiracy cause anything that is counter to its mods gets downvoted. Thats some high quality irony there.

Hi Larious.

[–]Athrul 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey! You!

Sounds like you're thinking.

We can't have that here.

[–]HepAwesome 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump is a piece of shit. If you disagree, you may be a piece of shit yourself.

[–]meption 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe there is so much "bad Trump" stuff because not a day goes by when he doesn't say something outrageously ignorant? It's easy for Clinton to fly under the radar when her opponent makes a complete fool of himself on a daily basis.

[–]JohnDenverExperience 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if Trump is just trash? Gasp!

[–]1one1one 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's zero trump is good posts??

[–]SimonJ57 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you do the same for /r/unitedkingdom?

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    [–]0235 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Same thing happened with brexit. We were so convinced it was never going to happen, because of the news, that half the people never bothered to vote, and now look where we are

    [–]Khanthulhu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I remember when it uses to be Bernie good clinton bad.

    [–]jklinger410 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This post as over 1k upvotes. I posted a comment in this sub saying this very thing yesterday and got vigorously downvoted in the span of about an hour.

    This reminds me of when the Russians shot down that plane in Ukraine.

    [–]always_a_hoot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    When will the sheeple open their third eye?

    [–]cburns33 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Look, you're not wrong...but I'm getting sick of all the sore-loser Trumpites coming over here to talk about how unfair it is.

    [–]mayonnnnaise 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Why does this necessitate a throwaway or a garbage username like you have? Wouldn't a more effective strategy be to lure people out of the subreddit instead of bitching about it in a subreddit where everyone knows this is the case?

    [–]metal_jacke1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This isn't helping their case that they're "unbiased"

    [–]justinmchase 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I didn't realize I've been stuck on "Top" for the last couple days, it's a frigging dystopian nightmare.