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[–]Weemm 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

Remember when it used to be all "Sanders Good"?

[–]DrPineappleButts 248ポイント249ポイント  (30子コメント)

I do want to just remind you. Anti Trump is not nessecarily pro Hillary. In my opinion they both suck and deserve to get deported and "lost" at a Russian black site or something. But the main point of this post is how for a "bastion of free speech" reddit mods are doing a piss poor job of letting it be "free" for whatever reason.

[–]J_P_E_Zorg 59ポイント60ポイント  (0子コメント)

you don't have to go that far, there are black sites in Chicago

[–]dajal 26ポイント27ポイント  (13子コメント)

Lovely opinion, but why are you guys (a "democracy" supposedly) stuck with 2 people you don't like?

[–]pdx-mark 29ポイント30ポイント  (5子コメント)

why are you guys ... stuck with 2 people you don't like?

The media lead people who don't read or use the net for learning into believing only these two puddles-of-shit are of any interest. You see, I live in a country where many people believe what the TV says, they idol it! The people who produce TV know this. And with new information, we are aware that the DNC colluded with many media networks.

[–]chodan9 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't like either of them, but I don't think that's an issue overall when it comes to reddit.

A lot of folks do like trump for whatever reason, and a lot like Hillary too for some reason.

Don't look at reddit as a cross sampling of the electorate. It is a relativity small community with definite leanings.

I don't think this is a conspiracy as much as a display of how many redditors actually view the world.

[–]TheWiredWorld 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're half right. You're woefully under equipped mentally to fight the powers that be if you think they've stopped at people who watch TV.

Places like 4chan are hotbeds for shills simply shilling for the other guy. They're all just solidifying the us vs. them, false dichotomy.

[–]Statecensor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wrong 4chan has been getting flooded with anti-Trump shills for the past two weeks. They appeared out of nowhere one night and they went to being unheard of to the most active group of users within 24 hours.

[–]pdx-mark 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd think that any social forum would have this issue. Specially Stormfront, but I stopped monitoring that.

[–]dajal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That sounds pretty good... I wish there were more sheep. I take back my comments. Keep it up guys!

[–]jamvanderloeff 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

FPP voting.

[–]Mylon 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

First past the post voting. You can have 20 stand up and great people up for election and each of them gets 3-8% of the vote. Many would probably be fine with all but 5 of those candidates but we can't vote that way. So the 3% people drop out and their party is never heard from again. Once this repeats enough times there's only 2 parties and they no longer have to even cater to their supporters but simply appear 'less bad' than the other guys and it becomes this game of chicken of who is wiling to be the shittiest and the one that flinches first wins the election. But they're still pretty shitty. If a third party tries to enter after we're down to only 2 parties, they only enable the actual shitty candidate to win and people get jaded and stop voting third party. Which of course is why the next time it happens the third party still fails to win.

[–]doughboy666 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The reality of our "Free" system, is that the elite get to decide which players you have to choose from. Don't get me wrong Trump is awful, but was there even a republican running that was quantifiably better, other than Jeb? And there was no way we would elect another bush this soon.

[–]Lowefforthumor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because the parties and the money backing them choose the candidates.

[–]ChuanFaFist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

People are citing all kinds of political science arguments. But the fact is that my fellow citizens are complacent and unimaginative. They don't seek out solutions because they can't be bothered.

[–]cscottaxp [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Clinton and Trump both won their respective primaries. I know a lot of people are convinced the Democratic one was rigged, but there's actually zero evidence of that.

They are both actually very popular candidates, even if they're polarizing.

I intend to vote for Clinton because I like her policies. I know many people who are voting for Trump because they think he has good policies.

TL;DR: We're not stuck with 2 people we don't like. We have exactly what we voted for.

[–]Curt04 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Pretty much the day after the election in 2012 the media was already saying that Clinton will be the Democratic nominee in 2016. If people hear something thousands of times over years they are likely going to believe it and think it is true.

[–]NonsensicalOrange 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

the main point of this post is how for a "bastion of free speech" reddit mods are doing a piss poor job of letting it be "free"

That point doesn't come across at all in this post. This just shows votes or threads are in Hillary's favour, just implies Hillary is more popular on /r/politics.

I've heard moderators in /r/politics are very bias, but you can only show that with their actions (bans/thread-removal). The problem is that the people who accuse them of bias likely have their own agenda.

Supposedly /r/politics is, and always has been, a left leaning sub. I can't really complain, by pushing a perspective it is like every other subreddit. Make a new subreddit, for "allpolitics" or "politicaldiscussion".

[–]d4rch0n 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anti Trump is not necessarily pro Hillary

Well, do the semantics really matter here if it directly benefits her for people to believe these headlines?

We basically have one of two choices, and some people like Hillary but a lot of people hate Trump. I'd bet that Hillary's best bet this election is to garner so much hate for Trump that people are relieved when she's elected. They don't have to love her, they just have to tolerate her and hate Trump. We saw this more than anything in the debates. More than half of what she said was directed at making Trump look bad. There was no subtlety in it. And her ad campaigns?? "Do you want this man near the big red button." Anti Trump is certainly pro Hillary. That's how she's running her campaign at this point. It doesn't matter how many email scandals exist as long as people hate Trump, as long as people are looking at the controversial things he says. "Forget about the emails, forget about third parties, focus on hating this guy"

When you have two party politics, anti one is pro the other already. And all the third party hate is definitely in Hillary's best interests. We have a lot of mostly democrat voters who were voting for Bernie, and now that he lost and so much faith has been lost in the DNC from the leak and stolen primaries, a substantial group of people are flocking to third parties. People who initially wanted Trump still want Trump. She's not getting them even if we caught Trump on video smoking crack. It's the third parties that are mostly breaking up the democratic vote. She just needs to get people to hate Trump and think that voting third party is electing Trump, which is pretty true anyway with our first past the post bullshit. The swing voters are mostly pissed off democrats and if she can garner enough hate for Trump and enough fear for voting third party, she'll probably win.

[–]pdx-mark 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'd also like to remind people that "actual news" is not part of r/politics.

r/politics is for politics. r/news is for news. For everything else shaddy, r/conflictofinterest

[–]Johnny-Skitzo 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Funny how a mod of /r/news is also a mod of the Shitlery sub

[–]T-Nan 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, /r/news is more like /r/undelete and the Donald... like every sub, it has an agenda. But it's more fun to pretend only the "other" side is radically biased right??

[–]pdx-mark 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why not just look at a multitude of sites to see what all the teams I'm not affiliated with our saying?

The only thing I can truly respect, and believe info from right now, is The Stimulator.

[–]TAEHSAEN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Its a default subreddit therefore the moderators should at least put an effort to keep things fair on their part. Yet they go out of their way to encourage Clinton support and obstruct Trump support (not that I care).

undelete doesn't push Trump propaganda, it just so happens Trump propaganda gets deleted the most.

[–]cutol 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trumps only job is to be Clinton's foil, so anti-Trump is absolutely pro-Clinton.

[–]aaaaa2222 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank you.

Its a 2-party system. Anti-Trump content is absolutely going to increase Clinton's chances of winning. This is basic math and common sense.

How the hell did that nonsense comment get upvoted so high?

[–]neither_party [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Of course it as, as it's a 2 person race.

[–]Gr8_M8_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I absolutely agree that neither Trump nor Clinton is ideal, but there's another issue. The entire concept of Reddit contradicts absolute free speech. Because of the whole upvote-downvote system, popular opinions will naturally win out, so it could be that Reddit's main demographic just hates Trump above all. If the mods tried to make it look balanced, they would have to arbitrarily censor posters with popular opinions, which seems to be biased in favor of the unpopular movement. Also, there's the whole idea that's pretty ubiquitous among Trump supporters on Reddit that the mainstream is out to get them, although that's clearly a bit of a stretch. Trump supporters might just stay in their own "bastions of free speech" rather than go to the main political sub. Sure, some of them show up, but the reaction they get from the opposition at times discourages it.

[–]TheWiredWorld 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

All anyone has to do is go to 4chan's /pol/ and it's just the OP inverted.

[–]PonyExpressYourself 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

While I love a good conspiracy theory I think this is just evidence of the power CTR has amassed.

[–]aaaaa2222 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do want to just remind you. Anti Trump is not nessecarily pro Hillary.

Um what? There are only 2 viable choices. So yes, Anti-Trump content is absolutely designed to give Hillary a higher chance of winning the election.

This is basic common sense.

The only reason your comment is at the top of this thread is because everyone knows this subreddit is also compromised.

[–]RelaxationNation [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What do you want the mods to do? Reddit is a majority rules website, and people don't like Trump. Was /r/politics the "Clinton Propaganda" sub when it was the primaries and every story was anti-clinton and pro-Bernie?

[–]Anal_Vacuum 122ポイント123ポイント  (52子コメント)

/r/politics is basically satire at this point

[–]JoseJimeniz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

...glass houses.

I still can't figure out if /r/conspiracy is mocking conspiracy nuts.

[–]jacks1000 58ポイント59ポイント  (48子コメント)

No, /r/politics has ALWAYS been a far left progressive sub that promotes the Democratic party establishment. Since day one. It has never not been a Democratic party sub.

In fact, it's such a farce that even reddit - a far left progressive Democratic establishment website - took /r/politics off of the default sub list because it was embarrassing them.

[–]ReginaldJTrottsfield 74ポイント75ポイント  (34子コメント)

far left progressive sub that promotes the Democratic party establishment.

The Democratic Party is center right, more or less indistinguishable from the Republican Party establishment. Definitely not far left. Even when you look into their more "liberal" members like Elizabeth Warren, they support things like marijuana prohibition and endless wars in the Middle East.

[–]SigmundFloyd76 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

"The illusion of choice"

-Noam Chomsky

"If you're going to let the people decide, well you're going to want to control the choices..."

-Noam again.

[–]kaltsone [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

The Democratic Party is center right

No it fucking isn't, reddit is so far left they THINK the democratic party is right leaning. That's how fucking delusional this place is.

[–]Pjetu [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Or maybe not everyone is American.

[–]wormhole222 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah it's definitely true the America is on average more right than the rest of the Western World to the point where the American Democratic party would probably be center right in a country like France or Germany. However, amongst Americans the party is a far left leaning party, and reddit (especially politics) is very far left for the US.

[–]SuperPolentaman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You have a box with 2 green balls in it.

Outside the box there are red and green balls.

People inside the box say: This ball is less green than the other, so it is red!

To the people inside the box one green ball is green and the other green ball is red. Does that make it right to call it red when you're talking with people outside that box?

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    [–]popozuda247 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    By most metrics the Democratic Party is absolutely center right. Not sure how it can be framed otherwise.

    [–]TheOutdoorsGuy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Haha bro I was reading that comment and was like.... Please tell me someone else knows that the Democratic party is not center right..

    Free college? Free cell phones? Insurance to pay for sex changes? Seems pretty far left to me

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      [–]Emerald_Triangle 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Well, for a time, it did favor Ron Paul - not exactly 'left-wing'

      [–]jacks1000 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

      The mods never favored Ron Paul, there were just a lot of Ron Paul fans. Besides, Paul never had a chance and at the end of the day helped the Democrats and Obama by splitting the anti-left vote - the progressive Democrats are /r/politics were all for that.

      [–]Emerald_Triangle 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

      The mods never favored Ron Paul, there were just a lot of Ron Paul fans.

      We were talking about upvoted or downvoted posts, right? Users did that.

      /r/politics has ALWAYS been a far left progressive sub

      The users are the sub, right? not the mods. Do you see my point?

      Besides, Paul never had a chance and at the end of the day helped the Democrats and Obama by splitting the anti-left vote

      Way to derail/go off-topic.

      [–]MidnightSquad 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

      What the fuck are you talking about? Since fucking when is Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party far left? They're not even left, they range from center right to right wing

      [–]MisterMeatloaf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      They are a new alignment: power money. It dictates their actions completely

      [–]satanicpriest13 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      But now politics even shuns the Bernie supporters. They have evolved according to the narrative. It used to be mainly pro Sanders posts, but after he got cucked the posts started decreasing. Now it's all pro hillary.

      [–]MidnightSquad 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It all started when Correct the Record got their million dollar fundings

      [–]Gr8_M8_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      You had me, but you lost me with "cucked".

      [–]Sexy_Offender [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      You can count on one hand the number of far left people in the US.

      [–]welcometooceania [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Seriously, I've only been on Reddit for four years but last election it was the same exact thing, just with Romney and Obama instead.

      [–]d4rch0n -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      We can't forget that Reddit and its demographics are very left leaning. There's certainly no surprise here. And due to that, you're naturally going to see pro-hillary and anti-trump media jump to the top. I'm honestly not convinced they're shilling at all. This will happen naturally if you have skewed demographics. The anti-Trump folks aren't going to upvote one interesting pro Trump article naturally - they'll downvote the living shit out of every Trump submission. That alone makes it so every pro-Trump article stays on the bottom with 0 upvotes. You're not going to see a normal distribution in the hot posts, you're going to see the pure skew to the left.

      Imagine 100 posts and 100 voters that upvote and downvote each last one. If 60 voters are left leaning and 40 right, and each vote how they politically lean, you'd see all pro-Hillary/anti-Trump submissions jump to the top with 10 votes each, all pro-Trump/anti-Hillary drop to the bottom with a score of 0. Pure skew, and I bet that's what's happening here, and likely waaaay more skewed than 60/40.

      It doesn't mean there wasn't any CTR bullshit, but you really don't have to pull that in /r/politics to see this phenomenon. People don't "swing" their upvote/downvote. They don't upvote an interesting pro-Trump article here and there. They upvote and downvote according to their political preference, and no downvote is going to be held back.

      [–]durtie [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      It's an echo chamber

      [–]Stormray117 78ポイント79ポイント  (18子コメント)

      I find it scary how Correct The Record took over. The Bernie circlejerk and anti Hillary posts were all the rage, now it's hard to find a negative post.

      I mean come on, it's not like reddit liberals, aka the hivemind, all suddenly liked Hillary once Bernie lost, there's shill interference.

      [–]Johnny-Skitzo 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Anyone with two brain cells can see that. Calling them out on it is a different story. You even mention CRY in that sub and the shills attack.

      [–]Reiker0 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      You even mention CRY in that sub and the shills attack.

      I mentioned it and got banned for a week. So the mods are in on it too.

      [–]blaaaahhhhh 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

      It's hugely frightening.

      Clinton has been set to be the owner since before the primaries, wine it looked like she had no chance against sanders.

      Clinton and the establishment are going to destroy any chance of social media coming this close to affecting them this bad again in the future.

      The bad people are winning here.

      [–]DJ-Tom-3 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

      The worst part is that if Clinton wins, all the other candidates will do this in the future, and then the internet, which will become a slowly fading memory of a happy playground free of corporate bias, will become unreliable and non-credible for the foreseeable future.

      [–]Cambo_1997 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Nobody likes Hillary, the articles are anti-Trump not pro-Hillary. The reality is that the vast majority of Reddit hates Trump more, and so those articles are upvoted. There is no conspiracy here.

      [–]hoi4navalinvasion 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

      What's interesting is that if you visit /r/all/rising/ there are lots of 'differing' opinions. But if you look at /r/all pretty much nothing gets through.

      [–]Cambo_1997 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

      Honestly its not that surprising though. The stuff that stays on /r/all is the stuff that the reddit hivemind agrees about. They're not gonna vote a Bernie hate article up there, just like they're not gonna upvote a Trump praise piece.

      [–]drewshaver [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I think part of it is also that r\politics uses a white list for what sites are allowed to publish for their sub, and the majority of these have a strong liberal slant. And the few that don't aren't a huge fan of Trump.

      [–]zenicaone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Its laughable that they don't know how to balance their push for Hillary.

      Their "work" just made me not to go to r/politics, because it became full on biased pro-Hillary sub.

      If they really wanted to have some results they would let few unbiased articles here and there, but no, every single article has to be either against-Trump or pro-Hillary.

      If anything this can just make those who were neutral at the beginning, to sway towards Trump.

      At least Trump people keep their shits mostly in The_Donald (openly biased pro-Trump sub) and do not try to take over other (general politics) subs on a daily (hourly) basis.

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        [–]Lord_Augastus 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Societ level propaganda? How far ebove or below the USA level propaganda and NKorea level of propaganda does soviet level sits?

        [–]tocaloque 145ポイント146ポイント  (17子コメント)

        Maybe Trump is objectively bad? Most stories about hurricanes are pretty negative towards hurricanes. Is that bad reporting?

        [–]Anal_Vacuum 67ポイント68ポイント  (9子コメント)

        Hillary and Trump are both objectively bad. However any negative Hillary posts get downvoted. Its not that there aren't any posts criticizing Hillary, its just that they're all deleted or downvoted

        [–]flimflam2020 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Hillary posts get downvoted deleted

        Remember that story about Clinton that made it to the front page of reddit with 7000 upvotes and a mod responded in the thread saying that /r/politics doesn't censor posts. A few hours after that it was deleted. Fuck that subreddit.

        [–]Mylon 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

        How about the post where Clinton's own website was attacking Pepe the frog and the comments were full of hysterics painting Clinton as retarded and out of touch. That thread got deleted and it was soon reposted in an attempt to sweep the massive backlash under the rug.

        [–]Gpzjrpm 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

        There were like 30 posts on 9/11 when Hillary was sick.

        [–]Habs4thewin 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Uh no. One is objectively worse than the other.

        [–]Lowefforthumor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Couple million dollars spread around reddit.com

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          [–]moistchunk 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Regardless of how you feel about Trump, negative stories about Hillary are basically banned on the subreddit. There are plenty of negative stories about Hillary, but those don't show up on the subreddit at all.

          Are there a lot of negative stories about Trump? Yes, obviously, because almost every major news organization or paper in the country is supporting Clinton. Are there just as many negative stories about Hillary? Outside of the mainstream media, yes.

          One of my primary issues with r/politics is the moderators. They blatantly censor many articles they dislike with the "title not exact" bullshit when that's not something they care about with articles that aren't offensive to the left-leaning majority of the subreddit.

          In addition, the subreddit allows many well-known bullshit outlets that are a joke, such as Motherjones, The Daily Beast, Buzzfeed, Salon, Daily Mail, Huffington Post, and more, while disallowing similarly biased right-leaning websites such as Breitbart.

          Not to mention you can go down this screenshot and see that the vast majority of news articles on here are from places that endorsed Clinton. NYTimes, Washington Post, and more.

          If you remove from this list places that have not endorsed Hillary Clinton and those which are not blatantly left-leaning websites, you'll find that the list of negative articles about Trump is very, very short.

          [–]Britzer 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Donald "check out sex tape" Trump can't be bad. Everything is equal. conspiracy!!

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            [–]FezDaStanza 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Soviet-level Propaganda

            That's funny commentary about a page where content is dictated by individual votes.

            This is Reddit. Why would you expect content on /r/politics to be ruled by forces any different than those that dictate /r/aww or /r/adviceanimals?

            The general public prefers to discuss things that are emotionally stimulating. Anger and laughter are going to dominate over neutral or saddening. Furthermore, things that are being talked about in the greater public sphere are also more likely to catch a reader's eye, and get a click.

            Trump dominates the news cycle. That's his exact strategy. Has been since almost the beginning. He also, undeniably, puts out so much more negative than positive. You cannot blame Reddit to want to consume that. It's entertaining: it makes people angry and it makes people laugh. The Clinton campaign, by not stirring the pot about any of her scandals, has made her controversies boring in comparison. That's definitely a bad thing because there ought to be discussion about it. But when there's nothing new it becomes boring and boring things don't get page views.

            Finally, posting a screenshot of /r/politics after a whole weekend of Trump gaffes and then calling the page anti-Trump like going to /r/nfl on the day after the Superbowl and claiming it's anti-whichever-team-lost.

            [–]lkjhgfdsamnbvcx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Trump dominates the news cycle. That's his exact strategy.

            Exactly. The guy seeks out controversy, and negative coverage. And it works for him- pissing off the majority is exactly how Trump attracted a large, vocal minority of vehement supporters, who stick by him no matter how incompetent, self-contradictary, ignorant of basic policy, or generally obnoxious he gets.

            Also, it allows him to play the victim; "oh, look how biased everyone is".

            There is a certain media bias against Trump, but there's also a bias in his favor; if any other politician did a mocking impersonation of a reporter's cerebral palsy, that shit would be all anyone talked about. Or if they had meltdown mid-debate to call some celebrity fat. Or repeatedly retweet someone with a twitter handle of "WhiteGenocide". Dozens of politicians have had careers ended over much lesser 'gaffes'. But Trump has said dozens of things like that- it gets a day or two of coverage, then we're on to the next retarded thing he does.

            Clinton is laying much lower- not deliberately courting controversy, and running a traditional campaign. Also Trump and his supporters have made a bunch of wild, unsupported conspiracy theories about Clinton; she's killed hundreds of people, photoshopped pictures claiming she's a Klan supporter, as well as Trumps other conspiracy stuff; anti-vax, climate change is a Chinese myth, the birther stuff. Of course no-one listens, now, when they launch some new claim (even if there might be some truth buried in the bullshit).

            Trump, his campaign, and his supporters have had a large dose of trolling through-out thier campaign- and they've reaped the rewards of that. They can't complain when they also have to wear the negative consequances, too.

            [–]Mylon 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            individual votes

            We don't have voter ID laws on reddit so it's probably 90% bots.

            Oh and mods get this 'super downvote' called deletion. The stuff that turns up in r/undelete is quite illuminating.

            [–]Tonite2000 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

            r/europe is worse

            [–]AMLRoss 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

            All media is bought. Including reddit.

            I simply dont care since I cant stand either of the candidates.

            All hope lost when sanders was cheated out of his rightful wins.

            [–]mostly_fiction 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Could you do a similar analysis of /r/conspiracy? I have a feeling it would be the Trump version of what you posted for /r/politics.

            [–]alllie 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

            But Trump is bad. Is it propaganda if it's true?

            I bet this really kills the Trump shills, losing control of /r/politics. But turn about is fair play.

            [–]seaker5 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

            It isn't about Trump being bad, but the mods are deleting "Hillary is bad" posts. The whole point of the post wasn't about "Trump is good", but the subreddit is extremely biased towards one candidate.

            [–]ConebreadIH -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Who's the real shill? I've seen about 10 comments in this thread that all say "but what if trump is bad?". Like, identical message.

            [–]alllie [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Maybe we all think the same about Trump?

            [–]Guck_Mal [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            it couldn't possibly be that people actually believe that trump is just bad - no no, it has to be a conspiracy.

            this fucking sub....

            [–]plevis57 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Pretty sad, but true

            [–]HepAwesome [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Trump is a piece of shit. If you disagree, you may be a piece of shit yourself.

            [–]og_m4 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            My favorite was recently Jake Tapper on CNN. Trump's tax forms get leaked, and the first thing he asks Giuliani about this is: "Is your campaign disputing the authenticity of these documents?" Somehow the media suddenly got more creative, bold and tough within a span of weeks. When the DNC leaks came out, nobody (to the best of my recollection), not even TYT, asked this question directly but instead set up a pivot to Russia and the leaked donor lists. If this isn't propaganda, I don't know what is. After years of hating Fox news, I actually understand now why they do what they do.

            [–]Putin_loves_cats 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

            USSA. Velcome.

            [–]beehive4 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            That sub is astroturfed by Hillbots. And yes, the mods are in on it

            [–]ronintetsuro 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Do we really need 4 reminders a day in this sub that r/politics is horrible? It's a battleground for bots and shills. Yes, we know.

            [–]H0IIywood 2ポイント3ポイント  (23子コメント)

            Honest question: for those strongly against Hillary, will you vote in November?

            [–]gabe_athouse69 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

            I'm voting for Jill Stein. The propaganda against her is very strong, which has to be a good thing.

            [–]DrHenryPym 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            No kidding. It's kinda like the Streisand Effect: Why is there so much money being spent to make this particular person look bad? Suddenly, you're doing research on a candidate you haven't considered...

            [–]Poppenhoffer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Ditto on that. Can't bring myself to vote for either Trump or Clinton so I'm voting for the candidate that most represents me.

            [–]exasperated_facepalm 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I may vote 3rd party, or just vote for other issues but leave President blank. I cannot in good conscience support either candidate.

            [–]winterspan 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Gary Johnson!

            [–]capri_stylee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            I like his policy on bootstraps for the disabled.

            [–]baseball_guy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Probably Stein.

            [–]Vitalogy0107 6ポイント7ポイント  (12子コメント)

            No, it's a charade, both candidates support militarization of police, both support Israel, both support the Federal Reserve (one a little more than the other), both support the war on terror, war on drugs, war on the American people, war on the constitution. No, I'm not going anywhere near a fucking polling booth.

            [–]columbus5kwalkandrun 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Trump supports full audit of Fed and stop nation building. That's so far off script from last 50 years

            [–]RandomGuy797 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Nation building wasn't the problem, nation destroying was and he's still very much in favour of that, (planning to wipe out ISIS, I wonder how much "collateral" damage that's gonna cause)

            [–]Bjorn2404 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

            You could consider voting for a third-party as a vote against the two-party duopoly.

            [–]eleminnop 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Your vote literally doesn't matter if the election is being rigged.

            [–]perfect_pickles 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            NYT says with a straight face, 73% for HRC...

            [–]woweezow 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

            That is the chance of winning, not the split of the vote. If a third candidate suddenly started polling 10%, they'd still have a 0% chance of actually winning.

            [–]hartofeugene -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

            I agree that Hillary is shit but Donald Trump is like voting for suicide.

            [–]columbus5kwalkandrun 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

            How? I see opposite.

            Hillary is literally owned by foreign nationalists and corporations. She's owned by her donors and is everything wrong with politics. Trump is at least potentially good.

            [–]hartofeugene -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Trump potentially good? He is the exact cancer that is making America shitty. Hillary is 100 percent correct when she called his economics "Trumped up Trickle Down" economics - Reagans disastrous economic policy. How can anyone respect a man who feels he is above taxes? His economic plan is to completely shit on the poor and middle classes. By any academic standard he is a baboon.

            [–]columbus5kwalkandrun [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            If you're against free market economics, fine, we disagree

            [–]RandomGuy797 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            I want to vote for an anti-establishment candidate who will rewrite the rules. I know, I'll for for the multibillionaire former lobbyer who bribed 5 previous presidents who has been proven to be abusing the rules!

            [–]HepAwesome [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            literally owned by foreign nationalists

            Trump is at least potentially good.

            How are you this retarded?

            [–]Anal_Vacuum 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yes. I'm fucking terrified of a Hillary presidency

            [–]BoomSalaBim -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yes because if you complain about the president but didn't vote (and were able to) then you suck and shouldn't be listened to when it comes to that.

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              [–]jacks1000 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

              During the Bush administration the NYC subways were plastered with "anti-terrorism" posters encouraging people to snitch to the government.

              The posters were done in "Soviet Realist Art" style - yes, the Department of Homeland Security modeled their "anti-terrorism" campaign after the Stalinist USSR.

              [–]magnora7 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Excellent meta-analysis. Love it.

              [–]sny321 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Til r/politics is a world superpower

              [–]JohnDenverExperience 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              What if Trump is just trash? Gasp!

              [–]ZeroNom -1ポイント0ポイント  (12子コメント)

              Trump is terrible. If you don't see it, I fear for your soul. This is mostly because of the demographic reading /politics. They are just young and liberal. Big deal.

              [–]Emerald_Triangle 13ポイント14ポイント  (10子コメント)

              Trump is terrible.

              Hillary is worse

              If you don't see that ... bla, bla, bla

              [–]hartofeugene 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

              If you actually believe Trump is capable of diplomacy you should watch him speak. He's a fucking idiot. 70 percent of Reddit is smarter than him.

              [–]avohec 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Nice opinions, man. Got any facts?

              [–]other_other_acc 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Yeah, have you seen him speak?
              inb4 "cherry picking"

              [–]hartofeugene 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I struggled through the entire debate to maintain any amount of open mindedness toward what was clearly a retarded baboon spittling out shit through his fat fucking face. Hows that for facts? The dude is a monkey.

              [–]Habs4thewin -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

              You should ask /r/the_donald that.

              [–]Sieggi858 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Except she isn't.

              Did Hillary open a sham of a university and conned tons of people out of their money?

              Does Hillary take money out of her own charity to spend on herself, like trump has MULTIPLE TIMES?

              Has Hillary lied about donating to veterans, and had to be pressured to ACTUALLY donate?

              It's all good and well to dislike both candidates, but let's not stoop to false equivalency here, there is an obvious "worse choice", and while both of them have done shady things, Hillary isn't the one that has thousands of lawsuits filed against her

              [–]Johnny-Skitzo 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

              We'll see what this bombshell is Wikileaks is about to drop. You may want to ask for a raise.

              [–]aaybma 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I can't believe i had to listen to Alex Jones in order to watch it. That man is a raving loonatic. I love how he mocked Assange for selling books and then Jones went on to sell supplements lol.

              [–]Johnny-Skitzo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I turned off the Infowars feed. I went to RBS

              [–]Poppenhoffer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Saudi funding, Benghazi, CTR, emails, selling ambassadorships, etc. etc. The woman is at the head of one of the largest pay-to-play schemes in the world under the guise of it being a nonprofit.

              [–]Johnny-Skitzo 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Found the CTR rapist

              [–]Sieggi858 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

              Funny how when the candidate you like is being talked negatively about, it's "shilling" and "corruption" and everything's rigged

              But when people say nice things about your candidate, it's all peachy keen hunky-dory and "actual news"

              Have you thought, that maybe, the majority of the world DOESNT LIKE TRUMP, and see him as a threat?

              [–]baseball_guy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              For equality, it should really just be equal parts Trump Bad and Clinton Bad.

              [–]meption [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Maybe there is so much "bad Trump" stuff because not a day goes by when he doesn't say something outrageously ignorant? It's easy for Clinton to fly under the radar when her opponent makes a complete fool of himself on a daily basis.

              [–]temp04984039843 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              /r/The_Donald is leaking. The title, the "data", the sheer mind-numbing stupidity.

              If everybody agrees on X then, ya know, maybe consider that X is the popular opinion?

              No no, what am I saying, all views should have an equal voice. Speaking of which, I've yet to see a single reddit post advocating the "gravity isn't real" point of view, clearly there's a massive conspiracy and we're all floating in space right now.

              [–]jcopta 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Must people seem to care more that it's pro-x, instead I care that are no actual links worth reading.

              insert sad pepe

              [–]1one1one [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              There's zero trump is good posts??

              [–]SimonJ57 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Can you do the same for /r/unitedkingdom?

              [–]RaptorStalinIsMyLord [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Nah op, while this is a great chart, these news agencies push the same narative out of choice. I'm in the one corporation, one narative boat of belief. Journalism RIP

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                [–]aaaaa2222 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                ITT: Its no conspiracy because Trump is [insert anti-Trump media soundbite here] and I came to that conclusion all by myself I did!!!

                [–]nplakun [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                I hate Hillary but I loathe Trump.

                [–]ZenMasterFlash [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                In Soviet Reddit, posts downvote you!

                [–]_dismal_scientist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                That, or literate people who use the internet are more likely to upvote against trump.

                [–]goat_therandy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                You ever think it's because:

                a) Trump is really just that bad. OR

                b)Reddit is a website filled with primarily liberal college-aged kids?

                [–]who_invited_Judas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Maybe Trump is just bad?

                [–]Unic0rnBac0n [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                I've been saying it for months! It's not a conspiracy, it's fact. The reason you don't sea any /r/hillary subreddits on the Front is because it's already there under the veil of the supposedly unbiased /r/politics.

                [–]Daemic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Besides getting into a secret society puppet debate on who's worse then whom - the man does it to himself. He looks like an idiot on the television and cant keep his mouth shut.

                [–]ShureYnaut -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Reddit posts are freely voted up or down by the community. This post basically suggests a large part of the Reddit community is anti-trump.

                This is not a conspiracy it's the open democratic nature of Reddit

                [–]TezNyanCatLIpoca 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                r/politics are known to remove any anti-Clinton pro-Trump posts though, so really this isnt representative of Reddit as a whole. Same thing if you went to r/The_Donald and assumed that Reddit was pro-Trump because only pro-Trump posts are found there.

                [–]tylero056 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                I mean... Trump is bad for sure. Not saying Clinton is a good person by any means, but that doesn't make Trump less shitty

                [–]Holdin_McGroin 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                With all the bad shit he's done, he's still not guilty to war crimes, which puts him before Clinton in my book.

                [–]Soddington -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Is it possible to have a rational discussion about the term propaganda and how it has no connection to the raw democracy of a link aggregation site? Sure r/politics is biased against Trump but then so are most people outside of The Donald.

                Brietbart is propaganda. They have an agenda and they tailor their stories to promote and deliver their ideology. Its top down political machine dressed up to look like a news organisation.There is no leftist version of Brietbart or Hannity or Alex Jones or Rush Limbaugh.

                Reddit is just the sum of its users. There is no content here, just links ranked by the users. No government department has vetted these stories, No minister of information has gone through and removed stories or added them. No CEO has sent memos down the line giving todays talking points. This is not propaganda.

                You would be hard pressed to even call it biased since its not slanted one way or another by an editor. Its slanted the way it is by the weight of numbers of users. Its a fact that Trump rates extremely badly with those who identify as educated and its a fact that Reddits user base has a high percentage of educated people. so Trump is always going to fare poorly here. That's not propaganda, that is not bias, that's just the facts.

                As I recall last time around with Mitt Romney, r/politics was biased towards Obama, but still had plenty of pro GOP stories on the top page. Trump defenders, even the devils advocate ones, have to recognize that Trump reaps exactly what he sows. He is an easy man to dislike so you can not be in anyway amazed that many many people, smart and dumb will downvote stuff that is pro Trump.

                But lastly trumps defenders here have grasp the realism there is very little that can be reported about Trump that is positive. OPs picture can easily be explained by the incontrovertible fact that Trump has been acting like a fucking clown ever since the debate while an avalanche of bad news rains down on him. What good news could there possibly be to take up one of those slots?

                Edit Don't think the delicious irony here is wasted on me. Downvoted on a conspiracy thread that claims r/politics is a conspiracy cause anything that is counter to its mods gets downvoted. Thats some high quality irony there.

                Hi Larious.

                [–]Athrul [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Hey! You!

                Sounds like you're thinking.

                We can't have that here.

                [–]nathandavidlee -3ポイント-2ポイント  (8子コメント)

                Could this possibly be (and I know I must be crazy) because Donald Trump is bad? I mean so is Clinton. At the end of the day the rest of the world is looking at American Politics and laughing. American politics IS satire.

                [–]columbus5kwalkandrun 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

                Electing a businessman is satire? Fuck I'm just sick of owned attorney career politicians.

                [–]psychotichorse 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                A charlatan disguised as a businessman is definitely satire. He has preyed on lower income people and small businesses for years. He has never been a smart businessman, and the only thing he is apparently good at in business is turning losses that bankrupt his companies into personal gains for himself.

                [–]columbus5kwalkandrun [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                4 bankruptcies in 550 companies is phenomenal. You're in denial. If it's so easy, go ahead and become the next trump lol

                [–]Habs4thewin 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                loses 1.5 billion dollars in a boom economy

                gets called a business man.

                lmao.

                [–]columbus5kwalkandrun [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Atlantic city issue was well known. Opening of his book and the apprentice. His comeback made him pretty famous

                [–]lkjhgfdsamnbvcx 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Trump is 'a businessman' like Kim Kardassian is 'a businesswoman'. Except Kim K hasn't declared bankruptcy four times.

                He sells mail-order steaks, for fucks sake.

                [–]columbus5kwalkandrun [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                Ha, you know nothing. He owned almost 600 companies overt the years, only 4 bankruptcies is something to be proud of as a businessman.

                [–]lkjhgfdsamnbvcx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Sure, it's obvious Trump is the dictionary definition of 'competence', which is why no major CEOs support him, and the biggest endorsement he can get is Scott Baio. Makes sense.

                I can understand people supporting Trump as a kind of nihiostic, fuck the system, run-the-country-off-into-a-ditch statement, but anyone who thinks he could deliver on his policies (if he has any intention) is deluded.

                [–]citizenjack 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                It is always important to look at things objectively and rationally. Trump is having an extremely bad week right now and the vast majority of news stories will capitalize on that.

                A few weeks ago Clinton was under extreme fire for her health and there were 31 stories in the top 100 that were not about her health.

                http://i.imgur.com/sJG59vN.png

                The tendency of /r/politics is to echo whatever the popular trends are. The national attention span is focused now on trump is bad, just like it was focused a few weeks ago on Hillary has bad health

                [–]monk3ytheboy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Is /r/politics bad or is it all those pesky news sites all writing what everyone is literally thinking.

                Even here in Texas where I'm usually surrounded by Republicans do I not see any Trump supporters. Nobody.

                [–]LEVII777 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Its almost as if everyone else in the world doesnt like Trump.

                [–]GoonMaster69 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Or, how about this, Trump is actually bad?

                [–]eat_my_eggs -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Kinda explains why people are commiting so many suicides.

                [–]Emerald_Triangle -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Fuck, I didn't know Trump was that bad. I guess I have to reconsider some things. Thanks for the graphs!

                [–]leftylugnutz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Do you understand just how much news trump creates? Forget whoever else is running, why would any news reporter waste effort on a Clinton story when Trump is delivering gold.

                I'm not surprised at all 80+% of the news is Trump. I'm even less surprised it's all negative. Reddit OPs typically shoot for easy, popular content. Not buying the conspiracy aspect imo.

                [–]daggereye -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I was thinking... what if he really sucks? :O

                [–]Habs4thewin -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                If you havent figured that out by now, i feel bad for you.

                [–]OppositeTheExodus -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                "Yea science, bitch!" - Jessie Pinkman

                [–]I_STAB_HIPSTER_FILTH -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Reddit admins are torturing their colleagues, forcing them to confess and systematically eliminating them one by one?

                Oh wait, that's how actual Soviet propaganda worked.

                Think before you speak.

                [–]Namesoog -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                There is ridiculous and then there is this well below the ridiculous line. It's like they need to convince themselves that she is alright and could be good. It looks like they are at the point they realize they are in trouble and are trying to convince themselves all is good. That could be a reason for the obvious as well as in the Clinton Foundation tax return the "other" column, some was spent there.

                [–]Verhaz -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Just shows how many people hate trump /s

                [–]lkjhgfdsamnbvcx -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Absolutely.

                It's unbelievable how biased the media is; giving Trump three and a half times the coverage of Clinton. She should sue.

                [–]Athrul [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Wow.

                A candidate that spent the last few weeks completely embarrassing himself and decisively losing a massive public debate by talking nonsense is getting put on blast in the media. What a conspiracy!

                [–]jav253 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Were now approaching Iraqi Information Minister levels.

                [–]lutherisprettygood -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                The thing is, Trump really is that much worse, proportionally.

                [–]Delfishie -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Maybe this is because Trump keeps on sabotaging his own campaign? I can't think of a single positive thing he's done in the past week that hasn't been overshadowed by something bad that he's done.

                [–]Astraalimyrkky [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                ITT: People who have no idea how life was under KGB or even Stasi rule

                [–]brazys [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Maybe people really don't want trump as their president. Not exactly a conspiracy

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