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Russia: Cheerful Propaganda and Hate on Command - The Donetsk leak. Emails between separatists in eastern Ukraine and advisers from Russia offer insights into the Kremlin's media manipulation. | ZEIT ONLINE (zeit.de)

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[–]kv_right 89ポイント90ポイント  (9子コメント)

Westerners don't have a clue about how crazy propaganda in Russia is. The infamous story about a "boy crucified by Ukrainian soldiers" told by his "mother" is not unique but rather regular. Any westerner saying "nah, we have propaganda too" just doesn't have a clue

[–]em_etah 44ポイント45ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yep, and the funniest thing for me is that even after Brexit the comment sections of the British newspapers are still infested with Russian trolls. I read their posts, it starts with standard stuff (Bad, undemocratic EU and EU elites, bla bla bla - understandable stuff that a lot of people from EU can agree with, I also don't like some of their recent actions), then continues with "the eastward expansion of the EU was a mistake" (I can also understand why a Brit would think like this), and then goes with "and they provoked Russia by meddling in Ukraine" - now why would a Brit, Brexiter or not, care so much about Russia's tender feelings?

[–]Schönreden ist Volkssportleo_ash 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Actually Britain was in favour of all expansions, no?

Because if you keep expanding then you constantly have to worry about how to integrate the new members and the problems they bring into the union but don't have time to think about actual deeper integration.

[–]em_etah 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course the UK had its own interests, though the general population might not care about them and a sudden large wave of immigrants coming in will always be hard to swallow by the ordinary native person (this fact is true for every country, no matter how foreigner-friendly it is). But the Russian trolls have several objectives, which become more clear after reading lots of their posts: Ensure that Brexit happens, strengthen the perception that the eastward EU expansion was a mistake (thus increasing the dislike of Eastern Europeans/hamper the process of future expansion of the EU to the East, in Russia's "sphere of influence"), then present Ukraine in a bad light - it started with painting the Ukrainian government and the maidan protesters as fascist hunta, then went to "lets not provoke Russia and lets leave Ukraine alone", and "these anti Russia sanctions are stupid, they have no effect, they only hurt the EU countries", etc.

[–]Czech RepublicKitane 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

I posted here about half a year ago how I was curious about the scale of Russia's influence on Brexit campaign, as it was something that played right into their cards, and given their rather major foothold in UK, it was never a question of "if", but "how much".

But all I've got was that "duh, Britons are smart enough to not believe in Sputnik propaganda".

Yeah, right.

[–]EstoniaSigakoer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was Sir Humphrey in Yes, Prime Minister. Don't know if that was the feeling on the streets.

[–]Wallachiadngrs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

they bait you with something you may actually be more or less concerned about and then once you might be hooked they inject their own bs

[–]Team Chaos & AnarchyLVirus 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last week Russia unleashed major propaganda on prime TV against Finland.. but who cares? Not here, anyway.

[–]United States of Americajohnnyfog 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not only do we underestimate Russia Today, we devour it. It's raw and "unbiased" news you can't get anywhere else.

A little surprising, given that al-Jazeera never got a foothold.

[–]CanadaAbattoir_Blues -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit has a strange, twisted love affair with RT.

[–]I live in EuropeSavannaJeff 58ポイント59ポイント  (34子コメント)

Notice how no Leaks about Russia are done through wikileaks?

[–]GermanyXeno87 50ポイント51ポイント  (8子コメント)

Remember when Assange anounced that he had a huge leak on putin incoming, visited russia, forgot the leak and suddenly had a show on RT?

[–]Europe, in the province DEhablami 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Where can I read about that announcement?

[–]EstoniaSigakoer 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]Wallachiadngrs 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

yep got warned by FSB

2 years later he got his own show on RT meaning he was literally on Russia's payroll. A real Kremlin shill.

also instead of releasing info on Russia, at the end of 2010 he got proposed by Medvedev to get a Nobel prize.

[–]GermanyXeno87 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here, for example, or here. Though I have to admit it is really, really difficult to find it again when searching for it in 2016. I will Update this post when I find more sources.

[–]Soo, do you want any rafales ?Bric3d 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

How long ago was that ? He hasn't moved in a while now.

[–]Dirty SouthGeorgeWTrudeau 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

2010

[–]GermanyXeno87 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

This was back in 2010, two years before he fled to the Ecuadorian embassy. Though my memory might have played a trick on me and that it wasn't him flying over, but Israel Shamir instead.

[–]European FederationxNicolex 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

Have you also noticed have zero information have come from them about Trump too? I mean this guy is having scandals about him on a near daily basis but zero come from Wikileaks.

I wonder who is funding him :^)

[–]Wallachiadngrs 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/07/how-putin-weaponized-wikileaks-influence-election-american-president/130163/

[–]redditbrsc -1ポイント0ポイント  (17子コメント)

I notice a lie from you, theres more than 2000 documents about Russia/putin that they leak

[–]Estmark🇪🇪gensek 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Leaked Western documents mentioning Russia don't count.

[–]GermanyXeno87 21ポイント22ポイント  (10子コメント)

Mind giving us a little insight on a few, big leaks about putin/people close to putin that are on Wikileaks? Because all I can find using the wikileaks search engine is basically non-stuff.

Edit: For example, I only find stuff like "PUTIN STILL HOLDING THE REINS FOR 2012 ELECTION ", "G3 - RUSSIA - Russia's Putin deflects calls for election rerun", "Putin was ready to put nuclear weapons on alert in Crimea crisis". Basically only referencing putin or talking about long known stuff.

[–]I live in EuropeSavannaJeff 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

Nah, the 2000 number is probably just how many times Russia or Putin are mentioned. You're certainly not going to see anything on the scale of the DNC leaks on there with respect to Russia

[–]GermanyXeno87 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

I know. I just wanted to give him the possibility to back up his claims about and defense of Wikileaks, especially since his profile looks suspicious a tad biased.

[–]EstoniaSigakoer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That 2000 documents that turns out to be the number of times 'Russia' appears in the search results is a go to response of Russian trolls. Maybe it appears in one of their trolling manuals. I have challenged them multiple times to list something exposed about Russia and so far have gotten no response.

[–]Canadaawesome_hats 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

If nobody is giving them information to leak they have nothing to publish, that's not their fault; my presumption is that state control in Russia is much stricter than in western countries and there is less potential for leaks to occur because of the tighter grip. Likewise with Trump/Clinton - Clinton has been in the political systems for decades, there is just voluminous amounts of potential information to leak given her many scandals over the years; Trump is a political baby and rather transparent in his idiocy - what would you leak?

[–]GermanyXeno87 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If nobody is giving them information to leak they have nothing to publish, that's not their fault

Lol

[–]Canadaawesome_hats 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

After looking into it more you're totally right - it seems he's been bought out or threatened by Russia.

[–]FinlandAwesomeKillerKevin 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

Notice that wikileaks declared the panama papers a 'false flag' operation against Russia. Even though the stuff directed at Russia wasn't that incriminating. There's a difference between random insignificant documents and actual big leaks.

[–]Dirty SouthGeorgeWTrudeau 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, and then after that, even though they brushed it off as a Soros/CIA op targeting Putin, they still criticized them for not releasing everything at once.

In the context of Assange holding onto the DNC hack info, which he got from Russian hackers, for months & months until he could most damage Hillary & help Trump.

And the reason they didn't release it all at once (there was a couple weeks wait) was because they were brushing out personal information that could cause harm to people.

Meanwhile, despite sitting on the hacked info for months, Assange still managed to release it with absolutely no personal info what-so-ever wiped for individual donors, staffers & politicians. Shit, they still had personal phone numbers for Congressmen in there.

[–]United States of Americawizardofthefuture 10ポイント11ポイント  (59子コメント)

The propaganda is stronk, but does anyone really believe it?

[–]European Unionpoivriere 45ポイント46ポイント  (16子コメント)

Watch any thread on wordlnews, there are always a quantity of people that are still repeating the same Russian lines that originated in Russian propaganda (No Russian in Ukraine, there is no proof, CNN is as bad as RT, Putin is loved by his population and every assasinated opposant was killed by the CIA to make Putin look bad)

[–]Bloodysneeze 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

but does anyone really believe it?

Yes. Lots of people. Millions.

[–]FinlandBaneken 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's an old propaganda technique. Repeat the lie long enough and consistently enough and people start to believe in it and will keep believing it even after the facts are shown.

[–]Bloodysneeze 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

The 'centipedes' over at /r/the_donald sure seem susceptible.

[–]Wallachiadngrs 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

the whole alt-right plus the ones on the other extreme

add in the conspiratards

that's the target audience

edgelords in general

[–]УкраїнаGweenbleidd 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

It is extremely effective on majority (and i DO mean majority, its not an exaggeration) of russians. sometimes even to a degree of absolute hate, let alone idiots from abroad (check rt dot com comments for example). Most ukrainian families that had friends\relatives in Russia stopped any communications with them due to absolute brainwashing to an extent where two people have completely different pictures of the world. I was born in russia (though im ukrainian) and we had a lot of friends before 2014 and i personally know a lot of friends here that had the same situation. Russians love their tsar putin and honestly believe that if anything bad happens in the world it is a US backed scenario. But its nothing new in history, germans loved Hitler almost the same way as russians love Putin today.

[–]Not Hungry, but thanks for asking.FilterAccess 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

check rt dot com comments

Or just go straight to bestgore.com, fulfills the same purpose, but it doesn't give RT clicks.

[–]LKaaren 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ive always wondered why Bestgore has so many people defending Russias actions.

[–]kv_right 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not that about the 'facts' it spreads, it's more about the permanent narrative

[–]United KingdomTheFlashyFinger 16ポイント17ポイント  (33子コメント)

Hop over to /r/Russia sometime.

[–]EuropeWilliamPz 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's exactly like Russia Today: mostly about the supposed wrongdoings of Russia's enemies with little to nothing about Russia itself.

I guess that's the most important thing about Russia, how it is not the US.

[–]Latviaangryteabag 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

oh my friend, you must be brave to venture into that place

[–]EstoniaSigakoer 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

You have been banned from /r/russia.

[–]Latviaangryteabag 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I really have been banned from there, true story....

[–]EstoniaSigakoer 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Me too. I think everybody is banned from there. I was banned after one message for suggesting that the huge Soviet memorial for Khatyn massacre in Belarus was built and Khatyn chosen to exploit the name similarities with Katyn to help with Soviet denial campaign of Katyn massacre.

[–]Latviaangryteabag 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't actually remember why I got banned, I just know that I posted a comment there about something they didnt like, got like -25 downvotes and I guess you get banned if you have to many or some shit.

[–]BelarusRelaxation_Time 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't ban you from /r/russia, but just wonder, are there any documents that support this Khatyn - Katyn theory?

[–]EuropeWilliamPz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some countries will always lack a certain level of development.

[–]Faina Ukraina / Bella CatalunyaYellow_Robot 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

WOW. That's a good journalism!