Post subject: Opener for a woman talking on her phone

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:00 pm 

I've seen some other threads on this, and most of them have the replies "Just wait till she's off the phone."

I don't buy that. Firstly, I'm not just talking about the average girl. I'm talking about a woman that I really really thought would be my type of woman. It's imperative I seize the moment and take action. Secondly, she's on her way walking down the street and will be gone in seconds. And finally, she was smiling and clearly in a good mood. I could have talked to her, it would have been ok.

But I made the excuse that I shouldn't because she's on the phone, and watched her walk away, with her perfect behind to boot, and now she's one of the one's I really really wished I'd at least tried to talk to. Even if to find out she was actually just chatting to her boyfriend...

Fact is, I know enough that I could have. I would have got her attention, put on my most gentlemanly demenour, and said "Excuse me, I can see you're on the phone, but..." and whatever comes to mind. I have enough natural game to just lay out my intentions clearly and be gentlemanly about it, and get positive reactions. But it's the first time I'd encountered this specific situation, and found myself making up an excuse that I didn't need to. So I've decided if I feel that strongly about it, I won't even let a phone get in the way from now on. Case closed. I will do it next time.

But, this is the "pick up artist forum". I figured I would run this situation past some random people here; I wondered if anyone has a joke they like to do, a sight gag, etc. to get a woman's attention in this kind of situation, maybe not even for this specific situation but something that might work. I do prefer natural game but it never hurts to have a trick or two up your sleeve.

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 Post subject: Re: Opener for a woman talking on her phone

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:19 pm 

Excuse me, but I have to warn you not to phone and flirt, so you're going to have to put down that phone right now.

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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:04 pm 

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 Post subject: Re: Opener for a woman talking on her phone

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:16 pm 

Seriously.

I wonder how to open when peeking under a bathroom stall.

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 Post subject: Re: Opener for a woman talking on her phone

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:17 pm 

LoL...

Honestly dude, just approach straight with intent and a friendly vibe and say something like "Hey, could I get a moment!" Make sure to say it with a assertive tone. Once she puts her phone aside, go into your routine.

If she holds it kinda sideways, and your in a friendly playful mood and she smiles and recognizes it, you can even get away with snatching her phone and holding it away from her if she's kinda just holding it sideways, and not giving you full attention.

If she calls you on that, just be like *Smile* "Hey, you need to give me full attention!"

The problem with most this PUA stuff like this... It really has to be done with right attitude. Most guys in here are not at the point they can pull this off. Actually, it's more like this will not be congruent with many guys personalities.

 Post subject: Re: Opener for a woman talking on her phone

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:13 pm 

Jack Zero and Heywood, there is a thing called constructive criticism. Look at the response above and study it. It may come in handy for you one day when you are not trying to exploit people's insecurities.

 Post subject: Re: Opener for a woman talking on her phone

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:06 pm 

I couldn't come up with the words with how bad that was. The above poster was being nice because that was one of the few times that "it's not what you say but how you say it" won't apply. That corny line was just terrible and it goes beyond being gamey. However, it would be good if you were one of those guys that liked to start off by burning your first approach so you can start a rejection off with a laugh. I can go on and use hundreds and hundreds of words to describe how bad that line was, but as they say...a picture is worth a thousand words.

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 Post subject: Re: Opener for a woman talking on her phone

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:40 pm 

Jack, I'm used to the post above from you and happy to receive it.

I am not having luck with cold approach or online dating. Doing great off fb and social circle. Really pulled back in the cold approach hard the last couple years because of how fruitless it was.

In your experience, what do you think could be causing the disconnect?

 Post subject: Re: Opener for a woman talking on her phone

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:10 pm 

Sorry if anybody's butt hurt over calling out a stupid post, I just assume they already knew.

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 Post subject: Re: Opener for a woman talking on her phone

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:26 pm 

I think that the biggest difference between cold approach and warm approaches (also online) is that men try too hard to be interesting and forget to be normal. You can hang out with friends and afford to be over the top because those people know who you are and will be able to support and even endorse over the top behavior or even socially awkward behavior. You can perform within a social circle because you already have an audience that has accepted you. Or to break it down on a more simplistic level...preselection.

When you cold approach and are attempting to make an impact, you are not going to have that same preselection benefit because the woman you are speaking to won't fall in line with the rest of the crowd. The moment you try to use something that is gamey, it will create an immediate distrust between you and the girl that you are approaching. That's why, IMO, being able to demonstrate your attraction and intent, while being normal and charming, gives you the biggest advantage during a cold approach.

Let's be clear...cold approach is the most difficult of all approaches. You can make a girls day by approaching her, but it's temporary and you have to move fluidly to make it work. Unlike the social circle game, and at times online game, you can be forgotten about the very next day.

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 Post subject: Re: Opener for a woman talking on her phone

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:03 pm 

Really depends on where you are on your journey man.

During my times of highest confidence I've lightly grabbed the phone from their ear, put it face flat on the table and introduced myself. At times of moderate confidence I'd hadn't gotten positive reactions to this approach. Not something Im recommending, but it just goes to show the realm of possibility when you confidently approach.

Anything is possible in the world of seduction. If men are out here picking up women on the street and taking them home 15 minutes later, you can surely pick up a woman thats on her phone. Can't tell you how many times i've seen women "fake phone conversations" out of insecurity. Worried about people thinking they're alone. etc.etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Opener for a woman talking on her phone

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:52 am 

Yep, exactly... If you have the right mood and vibe, you can get away with ANYTHING!

I wouldn't call it confidence though. It's just a really good playful mood, which commonly occurs naturally when your feeling pumped after leaving the gym or something similar.

 Post subject: Re: Opener for a woman talking on her phone

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:35 am 

You guys were awesome, this discussion is the best I could have hoped for after posting this.

metrodude, JackZero, Eddie Fews - what you're saying is so true, pretty much was my intention, just be genuine. I do really well with that, get away with a lot.

JackZero, yeah chi31fan35's line is corny but the shit guys get away with by having the right vibe... myself including... constantly amazes me. Who's to say there aren't guys out there with styles of humour that corny lines work really well with?
Funnily enough I think sometimes I feel like knowing these lines gives me "ammo" to fall back on and somehow keeps me inspired ... even though I actually never use "lines" like that

But yeah JackZero - I totally agree, "men try too hard to be interesting and forget to be normal", being really genuine is what a lot of this is about, most guys freeze up, not sure what to say "omg it's a girl!" like they have to treat her differently, and this is all about working back down, cutting through that crap and just being direct. Being a man.

chi31fan35 you had a question there, probably worth starting a new thread on it, I'd be happy to give advice. I'm really good with the "inner game" stuff as they call it, funnily enough I was mainly curious to see what "lines" people would come up with for a situation like this. It was really good to see everyone pretty much agrees with my main approach - just be genuine and real friendly. I come from a place of understanding - yeah this is out of the ordinary, I acknowledge that, but trust me, this is worth it! That's how I might sum up the vibe if I had to put it in words. Depends on the situation.

metrodude, the stuff about snatching the phone - yeah I know what you mean, there's guys for whom their cheeky vibe would go really well with that stuff. Me I find the genuine approach works really well. Must be to with how I look, people always expect me to be real down to earth (and I am).

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 Post subject: Re: Opener for a woman talking on her phone

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:38 pm 

In my experience its a good idea to be polite and respectful. Unless ofcourse you feel brave enough to act like Max from RSD and just say "hey get off the phone" loud! But I usually say "excuse me but I realise you're on the phone but I just had to say you look really beautiful" I have even got numbers by doing this.

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