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Homophobia: the fear of straight men being objectified by gay men the way straight men objectify women (i.redd.it)

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[–]NowThatsAwkward 598ポイント599ポイント  (38子コメント)

Ugh I've had so many dudes say, "But that's different! Most women are hetero!" as if that negates the unsafe feeling of it- and as if it never ends badly.

[–]sqectre 230ポイント231ポイント  (0子コメント)

As if that means they are attracted to every man that shouts something at them. I guarantee they are just as attracted to that fat guy yelling on his porch as any straight guy would be.

[–]thesunisupJade touched the ghost butt 98ポイント99ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, we're heterosexual, not creep-sexual.

[–]n0m-de-plum 60ポイント61ポイント  (3子コメント)

Guys seriously say that???

Ugh, well I guess that explains why gay men who are victims of sexual assault by other men have such problems being taken seriously!

[–]NowThatsAwkward 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, it's a really disgusting attitude that anything that seems to fit your orientation, you must be ok with. So many different types of rape and sexual assault can be dismissed that way.

Thankfully people seem to be getting less tolerant of people who espouse that view as time goes on. Which is good because goes past victim blaming straight into 'this person is a potential danger' territory.

[–]_FizzyWhy is a bra singular and panties plural? 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was sexually assaulted by a guy that my ex (we were together at the time) encouraged me to get with.

She thought I was making it up. She's a victim of sexual assault and she didn't believe me.

[–]n0m-de-plum 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm so sorry that happened to you.

[–]mini-dino-problems 60ポイント61ポイント  (12子コメント)

I find this kind of hilarious because..I'm pretty sure rates of homosexual identities among cis men and cis women are pretty much the same, with the lower number for men pretty easily accounted for by a lack of feeling safe in expression or fearing being outed.

Granted, I have a really Western-centric knowledge/pov on queer shit but it seems like in most places the general 'phenomena' of queer women being invisible or objectified and queer men facing vilification and threats of physical violence seems to kick in.

I didn't mean this to sound rude, or to over take anything, it was just makin' me think and I'd figured I'd share.

[–]NowThatsAwkward 35ポイント36ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yeah, I think you're right!

As far as I understand their point is that a minority of women are gay or ace, as well as a minority of men, so men should only hit on women- this of course assumes that most or all hetero women enjoy cat-calling and leering.

Tbh most often I find they literally just say that it's OK because "Women are attracted to men, men aren't!" because lgbt erasure is pretty common where I am. Some of them at least acknowledge that there are women aren't into men, but just consider them negligible. It's really frustrating how they dismiss any and all discussion of LGBT rights by saying that there aren't enough lgbt people to bother.

Sorry that turned a little ranty! It just happened again yesterday and it bugs me.

[–]n0m-de-plum 31ポイント32ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yeah, and the "most women are hetero" argument doesn't do straight or bi women any favors either! If a woman likes dick on any occasion we don't get to be annoyed about being objectified? I call BS!

[–]Coco_Adel 39ポイント40ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yes, I'm PRETTY sure the equation in their 'heads' goes like this: "She likes hetero sex. I am a hetero guy. Therefore, she likes ME, so whatever I do is okay."

I would really like to know who gave them all this self esteem so I could go get some.

[–]n0m-de-plum 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know, right!

[–]DRUNKEN_BARTENDER 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's all in the way we raise men as a society, sadly. I hate when I'm holding a baby and he's kissy so the parent says "oh, he's a flirt." No, he's a fucking baby. Every baby is pretty loving.

Imagine how creepy it would be with a girl baby and a man. Such an awful thing, and an example of society.

[–]Thanos_Stomps 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

point taken but I have had plenty of mothers tell me their daughter is being a flirt to me.

Your point absolutely stands though and the double standard is there. I am a man that works with young children. This could also skew my previous point as, while there are plenty of people that are uncomfortable with a man changing their child's clothes after an accident or changing a pull-up, there are more parents who are very comfortable and trusting. Could mean they open up more with jokes like, "oh she's a flirt".

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    [–]triangles4 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's not that simple. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-09-11/male-sex-drive-depends-on-both-estrogen-and-testosterone

    [–]n0m-de-plum 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yes, it also perpetuates the stereotype that men always want sex which is damaging to both men and women.

    [–]MyogiNightKidsboss of her own one-member girl-gang 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is incredibly inaccurate

    [–]n0m-de-plum 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No...

    [–]mustard_mustachecats & pizza & tacos & whiskey 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well, then you have those who try to convince lesbians to have sex with them, because femme's (and other non hard butch women) obviously can't be queer. You know, because women of all persuasions exist only to please male penis.

    [–]adelie42 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Being straight or gay is not an invitation to be raped by a member of the same sex or opposite sex. Full stop.

    [–]veloci-nap-tor 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ugh I've had so many dudes say, "But that's different! Most women are hetero!"

    I don't even understand how that makes it ok.

    [–]Chlorr_of_the_MaskEl Toro Fuerte never removes his mask. 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    But being hetero doesn't mean she is attracted to you mate.

    [–]IwannaPeeInTheSea 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That's funny, I have that Cuban man butt and tend to wear tighter shorts and I have guys check out my ass all the time when I'm downtown. I'm not gay but it's very flattering.

    [–]yallapapi -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    As a good looking straight man who lived in an area with a large gay population, I know what this feels like..

    [–]crystalline__entity 432ポイント433ポイント  (79子コメント)

    Funny how they also only seem to 'get' why we hate cat-calling and street harassment when you frame it from the perspective of being hit on by a gay man. Bleh.

    [–]ZeroFourFortyFive 54ポイント55ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That's why I use gay men as an example when explaining to straight men why that behavior is so stupid. Straight men who do that just refuse to understand it unless they can be put in the center of it, they don't want to exert the effort of initiating empathy.

    [–]SheWhoSmilesAtDeath 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Those with privilege often are unable to empathize with those without it because the concept of not having those privileges is so foreign to them.

    [–]GreenPJsI call that one my party lip. 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I've had more success with the "pushy street salesman" comparison.

    EDIT: also relevant

    [–]StickyVenom 83ポイント84ポイント  (73子コメント)

    Idk. A lot of guys find it as an ego boost.

    [–]only_a_name 265ポイント266ポイント  (46子コメント)

    some women--me, and some others I've talked to--can find it an ego boost under certain very specific circumstances, ie, it's not persistent and/or aggressive. The Mexican dudes in my neighborhood whispering "linda!" as I walk by = sort of sweet; guys yelling sexually explicit things at m from cars, or groups of guys loitering in front of stores and all commenting on me and leering as I walk by = not at all sweet. Simikarly, I think the more secure straight guys can enjoy being cat-called in a "hey, you're hot" sort of way, but it seems doubtful that they'd enjoy being aggressively heckled and ogled by a group of men

    [–]MillieBirdieHow do trees get on Reddit? They LOG on. 131ポイント132ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The dynamic that is lost on them is the intimidation factor. I imagine your average straight guy's mental image of a gay man is not scary or threatening at all. You'd have to get them to imagine a man who is much larger and stronger than them yelling sexual things at them.

    [–]DRUNKEN_BARTENDER 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My (Spanish speaking only) coworkers called me "little doll" in Spanish exclusively. That's way different than walking by a guy that streams "I'd wreck that ginger pussy" on the street.

    [–]trinklest -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Is whispering really cat calling? I would say that is pretty respectful.

    [–]ohmyboum 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Depends on whether they intend you to hear it, imo.

    [–]sqectre 129ポイント130ポイント  (12子コメント)

    I'd be flattered if someone catcalled me and have been flattered when I go with my friends to a gay bar and guys hit on me. But that's only because it's so rare and, as a straight male, I've not had to deal with institutionalized objectification of my body my entire life.

    If people were doing that shit to me every day not only would I get real tired of it, I'd also know they were doing it because the world only sees me as a sex object that exists to help them get their rocks off. That it wasn't a genuine impulse to let me know how attractive I might be to this one person, but a demeaning gesture expressed only to make them feel a little bit of power over me.

    So yeah, I'd be flattered if someone catcalled me. But that's because I'm not a woman. Though I do know some women enjoy it, too.

    [–]IMurderPotatoes 104ポイント105ポイント  (7子コメント)

    There's also the safety issue. Women aren't scared of getting cat called in a bar, they're getting cat called on the streets, usually when they're alone.

    Imagine cutting through a dark alley to get home one night and there's a biker gang standing on both sides saying things like "you look like you'd be fun to fuck up".

    I live in suburbia and the cat calling is still crazy here. One time when I was 15 I had a white work can pull up beside me and match my pace with the side door open calling me sexy and asking me to get in. I was 120 pounds and there were at least 3 strong looking men in that van and nobody was around because it was mid-day.

    Not every encounter is that scary, but I have been followed by guys both when I responded politely in the negative and when I ignored them. Imagine how scary it must be to be followed by a guy who thinks you've wronged him when he's big enough to just pick you up and carry you into a car or alley.

    [–]alexlp 32ポイント33ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The other day I was walking home and a car full of guys reversed up a major road yelling at me to get in, matching my pace. I walked passed my house because I didn't want them to know where I lived. Eventually traffic came and forced them to actually drive forward. I posted about it on facebook and spent the entire night justifying why I didn't just "tell them to fuck off." to a bunch of male friends. At least my frustration stopped me jumping at every noise, thinking they'd come back for a bit.

    [–]IMurderPotatoes 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Good on you for worrying most about your safety. There's not a single thing you could have said to diffuse the situation, ignoring it and going somewhere safe is the best bet. When that white work van followed me home I went to my next door neighbors (I was like 3 houses away from mine when they slowed) and called the cops, I didn't go home until I saw a cruiser drive by.

    [–]WinterCharmAsk me about the album of the day! :) 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

    D: Oh my god. That's terrifying.

    [–]n0m-de-plum 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Yep, I was catcalled in a gas station parking lot by 2 big bearded dudes in a pickup truck when I was 12. To be fair, I was one of those girls who looked older than I really was as a teen. Still though...

    [–]IMurderPotatoes 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I was wearing my backpack, it was pretty obvious I was a school kid.

    [–]n0m-de-plum 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Hey, I'm not giving any pass to those guys who cat-called me when I was 12. I was acknowledging that they might not have realized I was 12, but it was still obvious I was young.

    And besides, impact matters as much an intent and it really freaked me out.

    [–]IMurderPotatoes 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm not accusing you, I'm commiserating. Even if you looked old for your age, 12 isn't anywhere near 18. Even if I looked legal, it was still obvious I was just a high school kid. These men are going after adolescents, not adults.

    [–]verticalnoise 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The biggest problem women have with cat calling is not the objectification, but the underlining threat that they could actually force you into something because they're usually bigger and stronger.

    Of course not all cat calling carries a threat, but those that do are fucking scary.

    I was walking down the street and some guy started shouting all the ways he would shove his dick in me. I ignored him and hurried off. That pissed him off, so he ran after me, caught me strongly in his arms and tried to take me somewhere while continuing to tell me obscenities. Dude reeked of alcohol. A couple passers-by got him off me and I ran. I now carry pepper spray.

    [–]IMurderPotatoes 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm so incredibly sorry that happened to you.

    [–]verticalnoise 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hey I'm good, just paranoid because that was not an isolated incident.

    I read your post and hope you're fine too - you're also right that some creeps target teenagers. I fully doubt it's an attraction thing or they think they're older (bullshit), I think it's because teens are easy targets.

    [–]crystalline__entity 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

    True. I think it depends on the guy. From my own experience, the guys who street harass are often also homophobic. Known a few men who would bother women on the street and framing it this way was the only way I could get them to understand. It sucks.

    [–]WinterCharmAsk me about the album of the day! :) 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It is an ego boost if it's done in a safe and nice way. Ie, if one of my gay friends says "holy shit your scarf is amazing" or "I love your hair" I smile and thank them for the compliment.

    But if it's a total stranger, and they're talking about my ass, I'd be pretty weirded out.

    [–]milky_oolong 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

    They only find it as an ego boost when it could also be one for a woman - appreciative compliments, not graphic and benign (a compliment and departure).

    [–]snarkyxanf 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Even when it is an ego boost, it can still be a potent and jarring event. Any sudden interaction on the street requires tearing yourself out of your own thoughts, figuring out who said what, and evaluating whether they're threatening or not. There would be a moment of adrenaline even if it were Mr. Rodgers shouting at you that he liked you just the way you are.

    [–]milky_oolong 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No argument from me. But what I'm saying is - men aren't going to find an ego boost somewhere where women find themselves afraid or disgusted.

    The kind of (still unwanted and bullshit) cat calling that guys are going to like is the benign ones who are simply quick compliments.

    [–]StylishPengyI'm on a whiskey diet. I've lost three days already. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Before I came out as trans my (mostly straight male) friends assumed I was gay, which I was fine with. I wanted to point out that they (especially when drunk) would ask me which one I thought was cutest etc, whose dick I'd suck Ha. And they'd be really happy if I said they were cute. Definitely an ego boost.

    Obviously this is different because we are all friends and say this kind of stuff all the time, but I wanted to share their view on it :)

    [–]fuck-dat-shit-up 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There is a tosh.0 web redemption that is set up like this.

    [–]kerouac666 50ポイント51ポイント  (0子コメント)

    As a bi-guy I've always said that every straight man needs to go to a gay leather bar to understand what it's like to be objectified by others who assume that they have inherent intrusive ownership over you and your body.

    [–]beelzeflubLipstick, M.D. 86ポイント87ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Poignant. Whatta creep!

    [–]johnyann 55ポイント56ポイント  (2子コメント)

    As a dude, I didn't get how scary that was until I went into a gay bar with a bunch of friends and had 6 foot 6 dudes covered with tattoos straight up objectifying me entirely as a piece of meat.

    I myself an 6 foot 3, so having someone that could very clearly and easily physically overpower me be in that position was quite an eye-opener. I cant even imagine what it's like being a 5 foot tall chick.

    I told people I was straight and just there with friends, and everyone was super nice and didn't make a big deal out of it. But still. Pretty crazy.

    [–]Sailor_mini_moonLabia Wingsuit 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Theres the other side too- even minus the threatening part, its really damn depressing to be treated this way everywhere, reminded that Im a piece of meat to so many men.

    [–]recyclopath_ 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The other part is it's just frequent enough to catch you off guard most times and at the same time be exhausting to deal with. You can feel when hanging out with a guy friend and they switch to them sexualizing you too, it's hard to fully relax around most guys who are friends after that happens a few times.

    [–]ben_jamin_h 70ポイント71ポイント  (2子コメント)

    lol, i've been in gay bars before and got the whole being objectified thing and at first i thought 'huh this is cool, it must be nice to be looked at like this all the time, girls almost never look at me like this', and then literally two minutes later i was like 'this is getting creepy now when will it stop?' and then i realised you grills get this all the time. non stop. jesus, that must be fucking awful.

    [–]gyffynGNUTerryPratchett 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Same. Once and only once had a drunk guy trying to hit on me, my gay friends just laughing their asses off. I was so glad to move to the next club, but at least I gained a new perspective.

    [–]aesaerugo 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    YUP. The worst part is that it starts when you're a young teen, so a) you don't have the words to explain why it's bothering you, and b) you attract more of the really predatory creepers because they know that young people are more vulnerable.

    (jazz hands) Iiiiit's awful!

    Thank you for your empathy, some men never even have that realization.

    [–]gingernthehalfbreeds 68ポイント69ポイント  (0子コメント)

    But if she were to say the same thing she'd be dubbed a feminazi

    [–]AppleSpicer 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Smile and say thank you! It's a compliment! /s*puke

    [–]PrimcipleSkipster 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yuuuuuup

    [–]coralsnake 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Everybody likes compliments. It's nice to be noticed as being attractive. Nobody likes being noticed as meat or property.

    It is the difference between friendly and predatory.

    [–]n0m-de-plum 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah that's pretty much the root of it I think

    [–]draw_it_nowCome join us at /r/TrollBi 42ポイント43ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Gay guy has the flattest ass and worst haircut. Inaccurate 5/10.

    [–]Southernbelle1908 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This reminds me of the episode of How I met you Mother when they all go to the gay bar

    [–]1426374859607 123ポイント124ポイント  (28子コメント)

    One of those men is less likely to touch uninvited than the other

    [–]feather_ink 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Idk I've been to a bunch of mixed queer-type nights where the men think it's totally appropriate to feel me up because I'm a woman and they're gay

    [–]yourdadsbffsinger in the park, walker in the rain 49ポイント50ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That's because the woman probably won't try to beat up the guy hitting on her.

    [–]thyfearfulsymmetry 56ポイント57ポイント  (18子コメント)

    What? The gay man is less likely to make uninvited touches over the straight man? Or the other way around? Either way that statement is just fucked. Anyone, regardless of their orientation, can make uninvited touches and remarks towards others.

    [–]flipmode_squad 98ポイント99ポイント  (16子コメント)

    "It's possible for event A or event B to occur, therefore they have exact equal likelihood to occur."

    [–]Iamananorak 38ポイント39ポイント  (12子コメント)

    Trust me, we gays can be just as awful as straight people

    [–]MycenaeanGal 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think the point is that prejudice is shitty regardless of which way it's going. Punching up, Punching down, If we gotta punch someone, I'd rather just punch all the people who act like dicks.

    You gotta remember that there is an individual on the other side of that. Some are good, some are bad, but most are complex.

    [–]austin101123 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I can't tell which one they are trying to say either. Is it the straight one, because women only experience it from straight men, or is it the gay one feeding into stereotypes?

    [–]LonelyCannibal -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The events obviously have unequal likelihoods due to heterosexual men vastly outnumbering homosexual men.

    Your reply intentionally avoided u/thyfearfulsymmetry's question of whether the gay man is less likely to make uninvited touches than the straight man in favor of making a pseudo-intellectual generalization. Wave that e-peen proudly!

    [–]1426374859607 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah right o_0

    [–]Anne_Franks_Dildo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is a fucking idiotic comment

    [–]EmuSoundsThe Underground Girls of Kabul is a must read! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    lol no.

    [–]Awoo-- 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Half my straight male friends won't go to gay bars/clubs because the gay men there won't keep their hands to themselves. Let's not pretend that gay men are somehow more appropriate with their touching just because of their sexual orientation, they're really not.

    [–]recyclopath_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'd say they tend to be more appropriate with their touching in public non gay spaces with strangers. That's as far as I'd go to say though.

    [–]Awoo-- 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So are straight men, in my experience. It's only out in the evenings that this is ever really an issue for me, during the daytime I can't remember the last time anyone was physically inappropriate. Daytime is verbal, nighttime is physical.

    [–]ToastyCheeseSandwich 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They probably shouldn't be there in the first place, gay clubs are supposed to be one of the few places that members of the LGBT can find others. It's going to be assumed you are LGBT if you are there. Touching is still pretty shitty, but please let gay clubs be gay. We don't have anywhere else to reliably find hookups and partners, straight people have the rest of the world.

    [–]chemical-cop-out 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    PREACH!

    [–]Meghalomaniaac 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I remember reading a tweet that said something along the lines of:. Most men are homophobic because they can't stand the idea of being hit on by someone who has the physical upper hand. This reminds me of that.

    [–]aly5321 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Relevant video

    [–]AshybuttonsI like trains 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This thread is kind of a train wreck.

    [–]sobok 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yea no shit, wtf is going on

    [–]enola-gay 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I think there is some truth to this image, but that "definition" of homophobia is basically straight women making homophobia all about them.

    [–]djqvoteme 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's the Macklemore effect.

    [–]shut-up-dana 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Homophobia: nothing to do with lesbians, apparently.

    [–]larryinurhead53 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Why did the artist give the poor gay guy a flat butt, unlike the asshole?

    [–]khuddler 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wednesday Addams vs catcallers

    [–]katashscar 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I never understood homophobia. How can you be scared of a gay person? I've had several women hit on me. I just say I'm flattered but not interested, not even having to mention a boyfriend. I've never been yelled at or cussed out by a woman for saying no thanks. Most of the time we move passed it and keep chatting, I've even bought them a drink at the bar. I didn't understand why it's so hard for men to do the same thing, but this cartoon does a great job of explaining the "fear".

    [–]McAzazel 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    It's got the meaning of "dislike" or "hate" more than "fear" in this context. yes, despite phobia meaning fear, words can and do take on other meanings.

    [–]katashscar -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Phobia is by definition "an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something."

    Not hate or dislike.

    [–]ElliMari 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Averse can also be another word for dislike.

    Actually I think that's the primary definition of it. An object of repugnance. Repugnance meaning a strong feeling of dislike or disgust.

    [–]McAzazel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well I guess you're fucking wrong because that's exactly how it's used in this instance.

    Suffix[edit] -phobia

    Used to form nouns meaning fear of a specific thing. e.g. claustrophobia

    (analogy) Used to form nouns meaning hate, dislike, contempt, or repression of a specific thing. e.g. homophobia

    You should write wiktionary and tell them they're wrong too. :)

    Edit: the contemporary usage of the word means hate, not fear, of homosexual people. You even said it yourself, that it doesn't make any sense -- and that's because you're thinking that words never change. Or do you argue that "nice" still carries its old connotations of "silly"? Silly, meanwhile, referred to blessed things. And that spinsters are people with a very specific job. Girl once meant a child or young person of either sex (see Chaucer, for instance).

    Don't be silly ;)

    [–]abundancehall 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    needs to make it to /r/all

    [–]SoaklI love cheese so much it comes out in my jokes 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Trollx threads can't make it to r/all and it's set that way on purpose

    [–]dropthebassclefAsk me about my menstrual cup! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh, this is good.

    [–]thedamnedthang 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The accuracy here is amazing.

    [–]throwawaysjay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Haha love this

    [–]EiAisq -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You can look at my bum all you want, just don't touch and we are golden.

    [–]Stinky_Eastwood -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Honest answer for most guys is the fear of being gay.

    [–]Vahiik -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah but what would that man think about women checking him out?

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