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[–]southernsouthy 666ポイント667ポイント  (61子コメント)

Playboy was pretty progressive for a lot of its history, from the first black cover girl (1971), to publishing Margaret Atwood short stories, hell he even published a short sci-fi The Crooked Man in 1955 where the norm was homosexuality and heterosexuals were being persecuted. In response to some angry letters they received he wrote:

If it was wrong to persecute heterosexuals in a homosexual society, then the reverse was wrong too.

[–]menial_thrill 190ポイント191ポイント  (45子コメント)

There's a chapter in the book "Female Chauvinist Pigs" where Ariel Levy discusses the relationship between Playboy, the sexual revolution, and the women's rights movement. The book suggests Playboy was very progressive in championing the sexual revolution, but Hefner didn't understand that that while the sexual revolution had some overlap with women's rights, it wasn't the same thing.

[–]ldreadholm 23ポイント24ポイント  (43子コメント)

I read that book back in college and found it really interesting! Now I'll need to go dig it up and re-read it.

[–]Alexispinpgh [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I re-read it recently and didn't like it as much as I did when I first read it. It's a difficult line to walk, being both sex-positive and against the sexual objectification and degradation of women. I don't think Levy does that very well.

[–]ldreadholm [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I've found that happens a lot when I re-read stuff after a few years. I'm curious to see how it reads now. The worst one for me was my favorite novel on Queen Guinevere, Queen of Camelot, that I read quite a few times in junior high/high school and then re-read as an adult and was just SHOCKED at the blatant misogyny in it!

[–]Ryder10 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's like in Good Will Hunting, the rich college kid is spouting intellectual bullshit at the bar thinking he's cool then Will calls him out knowing exactly which book he's parroting his opinion from because he hasn't read any other opinions to form his own. So you read this book in college and think it's good, then you live, learn from other sources and form your own opinions so when you come back to the book it doesn't ring as true as it did the first time around.

[–]Maraval [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

May I guess you're referring to Marion Zimmer Bradley's The Mists of Avalon? 'Cause I couldn't make it past page 150 when it was first published, for this very reason.

[–]betteroffwith28 [スコア非表示]  (37子コメント)

Once you learn that sexual orientation is not a choice, it's an obvious position. Problem is still there are some people that think it is a choice.

[–]Shtruntz [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

While I agree that it isn't a choice, I've never understood why it matters.

We are supposed to live in a free society, so even if it was a choice, you're supposed to respect that and let people live as they wish.

It just always seemed like a weird semantic to argue about, because you're either born as you are and people have to accept that, or you've chosen how you want to live and fuck off it's a free country.

[–]Bathtubhero [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I think that the issue as it stands currently is that we, as a nation, are able to justify depriving people's rights if it's as a result of the choices they make. The most obvious example being that if I choose to kill somebody and go to jail, I lose my right to vote, my right to liberty etc.

So I think that the "Choice" argument certainly does have at its base a hatred for homosexuals, but they then want to make it a choice so that they can have some basis for depriving them of certain rights, dressing it up as a consequence of the lifestyle that they chose.

[–]exadrid [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I very much agree with this. I never really like the idea of "well they have no choice to be gay, it's genetic" as if "well it's gross, but they can't help themselves". And while I agree that it is genetics (at least a very large part), who cares if they just wanted, 100% freely, to have sex with the same sex.

[–]Shtruntz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sometimes I think it falls into the same kind of thought policing with regards to drugs.

I know certain drugs are terrible for you, but something about me not being able to, as a grown ass adult, decide I'd like to experiment with LSD, weed, cocaine, or ecstasy, in the comfort of my own home, without threat of jail time, is ridiculous.

Maybe I want to get fucked up on a bunch of chemicals and fuck a dude in the ass. I wasn't born with that thought in my head, but maybe I do. Maybe. I'd just like to know the option is there.

It's just puritanical tyranny by the bible thumpers.

[–]AirborneWhiskey [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

From what I've encountered of people who think it's a choice, on a fundamental level they understand it isn't a choice. The "choice" comes in giving into the desires. As if homosexuality is this addctive drug that once tried transforms fine upstanding citizens into degenerate heathens.

[–]Spiritofchokedout [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

There are still lots of people who think homosexuality is the same thing as pedophilia. It's a fucked up world sometimes.

[–]JustMyPeriod [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I once had someone ask me, "It's a slippery slope, and what's to stop someone from eventually marrying a chair???" I don't know, man. Maybe the chair's inability to sign a marriage license? Fucking idiot.

[–]epoustoufler [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

My natural response to this argument is just... go right ahead if that's what makes you happy? I don't think the chair gives a shit, and I'm not so insecure that I feel you devalue my own relationship by wedding furniture.

[–]JustMyPeriod [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The problem with that statement is that marriage in this context (in the US) is it's a legal contract that offers a legal bond for things like making decisions during a medical emergency, tax breaks, executorship in case of death, etc etc. That's why you have to be a consenting adult to sign the papers. A chair literally can't do any of those things, so giving that argument any merit will just fuel their little idiotic fire.

But I completely agree with you otherwise. You wanna get down and dirty with a chair? Go right the ahead. None of my business what you do with your bits and parts.

[–]NSA_Chatbot [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Problem is still there are some people that think it is a choice.

It took a long time, but I figured out why they think that. Please note that I don't care at all what someone does with their rig as long as everyone involved is a consenting adult.

The homophobic viewpoint is this: Your hard-wired orientation isn't a choice, but your acting on it is. You can have urges to have same-sex relations, but you have to fight them and your nature in order to be a good person.

That's why some of those prolific anti-gay pastors get caught up in same-sex scandals. They've been fighting their own urges since puberty hit, and they're pissed off that other homosexuals aren't doing what they've been doing.

Or something like that. Their logic hurts on several levels.

[–]SplashingBlumpkinz [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

People are all different though. I don't doubt that sexual orientation is something that the vast majority of people are born with but there is probably also a small margin of people out there who did not actively seek it but were drawn in only after they received affection and love that they had not gotten in a heterosexual relationship, after which they realized some "epiphany" that they were gay, when really, they were just human beings with needs. I can't imagine that this is a very large group of people but if cult members can exist on the extreme side of cultural indoctrination baited by love, then someone deciding to accept love from an unexpected source, could be as well. Not suggesting that there are gay predators out there but simply people who are flexible and willing to switch teams. I have no problem with this scenario either as people should be free to choose when they do have a choice.

[–]Captain_Twerk [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I believe that Fahrenheit 451 was originally published in Playboy as well

[–]Pau_Zotoh_Zhaan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It was. In fact, I love reading vintage Playboy for the incredible short stories and syndicated writing.

[–]final_cut 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

Playboy was great for many reasons. I didn't like the late 80s to 2010ish photo painting bs, but writing and culture wise they accomplished some things.

I think politics were actually the magazine's strong point for a good while. I'm on the fence about hef as a person but I'm glad about all of the topics of discussion. I'm big on swing culture and loved that era of the mag where photos of couples were normal.

[–]Ironicdancer [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

A friend of mine got a job writing for them in the 1990's he said the entire writing staff except for 2 people were women. The prevailing attitude was hey men are going to look at the pictures but maybe they'll read the articles too so they should be progressive and feminist. Funny enough he was the webmaster for Robert Anton Wilson who worked for PB in the 70s as an editor.

[–]articleofpeace [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This logic makes total sense but it's really surprising that it was actually deployed, which is depressing.

[–]MrAwesomeMcCool [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I didn't like the late 80s to 2010ish photo painting bs

That looks so fake to me those photos don't excite me in the least.

[–]cunninglinguist81 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I didn't like the late 80s to 2010ish photo painting bs, but writing and culture wise they accomplished some things.

So you're saying...at least during that era...you only read it for the articles?

[–]a0x129 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They even publish braille versions of their magazines, all articles though, but who else does this?

[–]youhatemeandihateyou [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A lot of publications are transcribed for the blind, both in audiobook and braille formats.

[–]testiclelice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If I could have the collected WRITTEN works in a collection, I'd buy them in a second.

Similarly, Maxim in it's first two years had some really incredible articles. I was in college stuck working the reception desk and picked up one left behind and read an article about the green river killer and was mezmorized. Then some mom walked in and chewed my ass because a scantily clad woman was on the cover. Righly so, but I had never seen the magazine before and it was already open to the article.

[–]get10net 590ポイント591ポイント  (20子コメント)

I did everything it said, and now I have a cat!

[–]djcurlyfries 184ポイント185ポイント  (6子コメント)

Instructions unclear. Currently have 23 cats following me home.

[–]hotassbeat_clap 121ポイント122ポイント  (4子コメント)

Agree with the message but laughed out loud at "Is that booty bangin?" "More of a light knock on a door that isn't mine to open"

[–]Turd FergusonHaplo781 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I am the one who knocks.

[–]me_is_alive [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I am not in danger, I AM THE DANGER!!! UMZ UMZ UMZ UMZ UMZ!!!

[–]BeMyOphelia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"excuse me miss, but I must say, your booty is a light knock on a door that isn't mine to open. have a nice day."

[–]your_moms_a_clone 101ポイント102ポイント  (15子コメント)

"Is she litterally a cat?"

[–]OtherKindofMermaid 104ポイント105ポイント  (10子コメント)

But why, according to the flow-chart, is it only okay to call out to a cat if it looks sad, is dressed up nice, has legs for days, and has a bangin' booty?

[–]cowsandturtles 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

What cat does not meet those requirements? Wait, this isn't /r/kittytender... oops

[–]your_moms_a_clone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well you don't want to call out sad cats, because cats are very prideful creatures and when they are depressed they seek the comfort of solitude, not attention. Not sure about the bangin' booty though.

[–]NSA_Chatbot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Cats look sad.

They have excellent taste in outfits.

Twice the legs of a human.

I... I don't know what to say about the last one.

[–]hzhgq 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

commNents

-.-

[–]Girafferra 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know. I couldn't not see that too.

[–]bibberlo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Editors are expensive. Everyone's saving since people use the internet, not paper mags, for porn...

[–]Queen-Dee 42ポイント43ポイント  (29子コメント)

Why is everyone assuming catcalls are compliments? When you have men muttering/yelling degrading things like "bet you could suck Hella Dick with those lips" (just for example that I have experienced) that is not a compliment. Making a comment of "wow your beautiful" is more like a compliment, but women can't even say thank you without some men taking that as an invitation to harass them even more. This is something that needs to stop, and the only way it will stop is when other men call these "complimentors" out on their shit.

[–]Lord_Galahad [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

but women can't even say thank you without some men taking that as an invitation to harass them even more

Yes, this is unfortunately very true. Makes it a difficult thing for everyone else.

[–]RunningInSquares 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

I love it but I must have done it wrong because all my cat did was lift up her head, look at me disapprovingly, and go back to sleep. I must have made a mistake somewhere.

[–]OtherKindofMermaid 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

Was she not dressed nice?

[–]wegsmijtaccount [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think her booty was more of a soft knock thas wasn't his to answer.

[–]YamiNoSenshi 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nowhere in there does it tell you what the result will be, only that it's okay to catcall an actual cat.

[–]XOSnowWhite 205ポイント206ポイント  (238子コメント)

I once tried to share my feelings on being catcalled with a group of guys, and they said I should be "flattered" that men do that and that when I'm told to "smile", it's just guys being polite.

.... .... Yeah, I don't talk to those guys any more.

[–]bee-sting 181ポイント182ポイント  (127子コメント)

I like to give some guys the benefit of the doubt. I mean, most men (at least on reddit) never get compliments so they'd be happy with a stranger ordering them to perform.

I like to explain how they'd feel if they got catcalled:

  • by someone over a foot taller than them
  • who starts bothering them while they were busy
  • and then starts ordering them around or making sexual comments
  • and won't go away
  • and is much stronger and could easily hurt them
  • and makes them feel afraid and ashamed
  • and that this happens week in, week out

But yeah if they still don't get it, good bye :(

[–]a_typical_normie 52ポイント53ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes do this, when someone says how would you like it if you were cat called, -most- guys would imagine it coming from a woman. Men don't exactly drown in compliments so for the majority it would be welcome, that's why it's very important to put it in perspective.

[–]sistaract2 36ポイント37ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also, they tend to imagine a woman they find attractive, instead of even the average woman.

[–]Mr_Clovis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I agree with everything stated above but not this particular point. Even if a woman I found unattractive gave me a random compliment in the street, I would be pleased.

[–]shesaiddestroy 101ポイント102ポイント  (24子コメント)

Yea making guys understand the fear of the situation is key. It's not the 5'1 old lady saying you look handsome it's a 260lbs 6'6 guy saying he likes your watch

[–]a0x129 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

260lbs 6'6 guy saying he likes your watch ass

Seriously, as a guy I kind of imagine getting catcalled for a woman would be like Michael Clarke Duncan from The Green Mile walking up to me and going "You got a nice ass there. You're mighty handsome. Quick, do a little turn. Lemmy see it."

I'd start sprinting as fast as humanly possible in the other direction, the whole time hearing him going "I LOVE HOW YOU BOUNCE! COME BACK HERE!"

[–]OHSB [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Michael Clarke Duncan is a bad fit. Tiny Lister is a scenario where you'd be afraid.

[–]ivoryisbadmkay 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah as a guy that shit would scare me. We just don't ever think about it that way. Thanks for the perspective. It can definitely be aggressively scary

[–]always_an_explinatio 17ポイント18ポイント  (16子コメント)

I do not disagree with you, but i think your reasoning is incomplete. if a guy is 5'5" 140 and he is catcalling/harassing a woman who is 5'9" 170 its still not OK and still might be scary.

[–]shesaiddestroy [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

Totally agree. Even men that are much smaller have a significant strength advantage over women

[–]Skywarp79 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Noted, but if you're trying to give a guy perspective of what it's like by having him imagine a scenario including someone stronger than him by a comparable ratio, then 5'5" and 140 lbs. wouldn't get the message across for most guys. To reverse the analogy, that would be like a grown woman being scared of a lone catcalling 12 year old.

[–]ArmyOfAaron 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

As a guy, we still get in those situations quite frequently. We just call it bullying.

[–]CallMeBigPapaya [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm a guy with a extremely large bushy beard and I get a lot of attention for it. I get compliments and questions constantly. Literally every time I go out in public. Not just dudes saying "nice beard bro". I get women (and sometimes men) coming up and immediately running their hands through my beard or pulling on it and asking if it's real. The level at which I enjoy the interaction is entirely dependent on how attractive I find the person and whether they asked to touch or not (but attractiveness trumps all). But unless the person has dirty hands and/or rotten breath, I can't say I'm anything worse than marginally annoyed. As a side note: black and hispanic people especially in the city seem to be the most aggressive about it, which seems to be the case with catcalling as well.

[–]Anasthera -2ポイント-1ポイント  (41子コメント)

I don't agree with your first point fifth point or sixth point, but I do agree with all of your other points. How you feel is not entirely in the hands of other people (unless they are specifically TRYING to make you feel a specific way), and men being bigger and stronger really doesn't have any bearing since that's just an animal fear thing that people should not let influence their behavior, much like many other animal urges we suppress for the sake of social stability. I say this as a 5'5" guy who has been hit on by gay guys in a gay bar (fairly aggressively and repeatedly mind you), and at no point does their size intimidate me, but that's because I don't let it intimidate me. I am of the opinion that these are the kinds of things that individuals need to manage themselves rather than demand that others manage for them.

That being said, yea if they are bothering you while you're busy, won't go away (harassment) and tries to order you around and keeps fucking doing it, fuck that shit. Totally unacceptable behavior.

I also want to say thank you for understanding that men don't really get compliments or any acknowledgement. Most people judge what is acceptable based on their own emotional barometer and social experience, and it's extremely difficult to act in accordance to others because you don't feel what they feel. This is why listening and empathy is important, and I appreciate the effort you've clearly put in to understanding men's perspective. Hope your day is awesome :D.

[–]MoreRopePlease [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

at no point does their size intimidate me, but that's because I don't let it intimidate me

It's not intimidation, per se. It's the unknown, potential threat of violence, and being acutely aware that you have very little defense if a man chose to suddenly become violent.

This isn't theoretical, either. There's plenty of accounts of men becoming very dangerous when rejected by a woman they catcalled , or hit on. I have not heard many stories of gay guys hurting someone in a similar circumstances.

[–]chill_sunflower [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And even if you did have a means to defend yourself, most people don't usually look forward with those types of interactions.

[–]Cheapkillsnoskills [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Me and some fitness male model friends get hit on a lot. From cougars to gay guys. We don't feel threatened, i think thats the difference. Atleast if they wont spike our drink. Ive had some unwanted kissing attempts and one girl even grapped my face and i turned away.

[–]GoodCatWarriorName 17ポイント18ポイント  (33子コメント)

The fact that they are bigger matters because they're already crossing social boundaries. They've separated themselves from regular people on the street by showing that. Now we have to wonder what other boundaries they're willing to cross. Following us home? Grabbing us? Many of us have experienced these things, and if it was someone our size doing it, it would be much less dangerous than someone much bigger than us.

I also disagree with your implication that catcallers aren't trying to make people uncomfortable. If you really wanted to compliment someone, you'd want to make them feel good, so you wouldn't do something that 95% of that demographic hates.

[–]BackRoadMotorcycles [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I dread certain aspects of the winter months. It's chaps weather for all of us who ride cruisers, which means it's time for me to get sexually harassed at bars by unattractive older women.

It was totally flattering the first time it happened. I rolled with it, doing the whole "my eyes are up here" thing. It got old fast though, especially with groups who thought it was ok to get handsy. I actually found myself saying "just because I'm dressed like this..." one time. Not something I thought I would ever say.

Completely changed my perspective on how obnoxious it can be. I knew the behavior was inappropriate, but I thought it was more an annoyance than something that could significantly alter where you go and how you dress.

[–]TheNorthComesWithMe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What seems like the obvious and effective way to convince someone else that catcalling is bad to you is not actually the correct way. Telling someone to just think "what if the situation was reversed" isn't going to convince them that catcalling is bad or a problem.

You're trying to put someone else in your shoes, but to do that you first have to put yourself in theirs. Why do they think catcalling is ok? What are they thinking when you say "reverse the situation?" Do they even think catcalling is ok? Are they just playing devil's advocate?

[–]Swole_is_life [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They immediately think of attractive women is why. Let's be honest here, if a very handsome man in a suit with a briefcase told you something polite about your appearance (e.g. you have a pretty smile, I'd like to see it more often), you would not mind anywhere near as much (if at all).

Ask them if they'd be comfortable with a 400 lb woman with more of a beard than they have telling them something highly sexual and watch them squirm. Seriously, do it, I did once when someone made that argument and the results were hilarious.

[–]Kongsley [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Being a guy I can see where they are coming from. But it's not flattering, it's not being "polite", it's being disrespectful and disregarding a persons humanity.

[–]DialMforMuffins 17ポイント18ポイント  (7子コメント)

I was once trying to explain this to a friend because I knew he is a good person, even though he was replying similarly to your friends. Then I painted him the reverse situation where strange men in an empty street were describing what they'd like to do to his sweet ass, while he was innocently wearing his shorts and minding his own business. That totally did it, he replied with shock and disgust "woah, eww! What can I do to make it better?"

[–]Coffee Coffee Coffeeragan651 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

they said I should be "flattered" that men do that and that when I'm told to "smile", it's just guys being polite.

That is why everyone should watch Adult Wednesday Addams.

[–]CallMeBigPapaya 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's the lumping in too many social interactions that men have with women that bothers a lot of men. I would never be friends with a guy who blatantly described to a random woman on the street what he'd like to do to her in bed. Or a guy who follows a girl down the street. If she wants to talk to you she'll stop and talk to you. But if I'm being honest I just can't bring myself to care when women are bothered by a guy saying hello, even if the man's intent was flirtatious in nature. Not saying all women who complain about cat-calling aren't complaining about truly obnoxious shit, but I've heard a lot of complaints about even looking in a woman's general direction when she doesn't want you to.

[–]moeburn 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I knew a girl that was catcalled pretty much every day to and from school, and about a quarter of them were genuinely scary, like they'd start following her and getting really angry if she didn't respond. When you're a 120lb woman, and a 200lb guy shouts sexually suggestive stuff at you, and then starts getting really mad and following you when you don't respond, yeah, that's fucking terrifying.

She tried everything, from dressing up in little kids clothes, to wearing a hijab, to try and stop it, and nothing seemed to work.

[–]writingjwmccabe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Living in the South, catcalling really wasn't a thing. Even when it was short demin short season comes around. It is so rare, that when men hear it, their ears go up! Oddly, responding to catcaller with fun phrases such as : She might be packing, or You ain't good enough for that. Move on..

[–]Opandemonium 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

Here is my two cents on catcalling. It's annoying. Sometimes it's terrifying. When it's been threatening enough times (guys following me as I walked down the street at night) the benign annoying begins to elicit the same physiological response as the threatening, I'm going to be gang raped in this alley type.

So the, it becomes this association. Like, when my mom hit me all the time as a kid and it took me into my 20s to stop flinching.

So, even though your intentions are funny, and yes, women sometimes do it to, for some women it can be down right panic inducing. Then make that a daily thing. It can be like running a dangerous gauntlet just to get home.

[–]All Hail Samantha BeeSlaysDragons 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Woah! I only read Playboy for the articles, not the pictures.

[–]FiveEver5 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I only read reddit for the comments, not the articles.

[–]x90slide [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Are you sexually frustrated?

"Yes, I'm going to have sex with my partner"

This is where the chart breaks down for me

[–]Frankiepals [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I've never understood catcalling. Like, has it ever worked for any guy? Had any guy ever said some random, sexually charged comment to a regular stranger on the street and end up getting a date??

As a guy, when I see another guy doing this it comes off as incredibly desperate.

[–]CignoTrace2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's a power thing. If they can get away with that, it makes them feel in control and masculine.

[–]NSA_Chatbot [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's not about sexuality, it's about control. The undertone to the message is on the sexual assault spectrum.

[–]Sergeithecreep [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

There's no real point to catcalling. I hate to take in "pick up" terms but all it says to the girl is "I'm not confident enough to approach you and tell you I think your hot so instead I'll just be loud and brash to overcompensate". Just go up to her and say you think she's cute/has nice style/whatever in a decent, classy way. Granted you might run into some girls who still freak out if your in certain parts of the states or England or you might get blown out but the majority of the time if you're genuine and not awkward girls will appreciate it. Even if she has a boyfriend getting genuine attention is usually appreciated.

[–]tronald_dump [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

im too awkward to make conversation like a human adult, so instead ill do literally the most awkward thing imagineable! that will surely win her over!!!!

[–]CreditBewilderment [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the reminder that when it comes to judging and objectifying unknown women, people can and should keep it to themselves! I used to be naive and rationalize relatively tame catcalls as men just men being nice and friendly... Yeah, no.

At the end of the day it is a self-absorbed impulse to take control a stranger's time and attention, however fleeting it may be. They want to single out women and put them in an awkward position where at some level they have to either "be nice" and pretend to appreciate that a random stranger is sharing his desires and judgments about her, or act like a "bitch". Even if it is a seemingly harmless "hey, beautiful", it still presumes that a woman should give a shit about a random dude's shallow "approval" of her appearance, and that's icky.

[–]Darksouldarkweiner 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like how you can still get a cat after saying that booty is bangin.

[–]WhatIsYolo 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It seems broken. It always tells me not to do it.

[–]coalwhite 26ポイント27ポイント  (38子コメント)

Adult entertainment houses should have been on this long ago, I've never thought about it but it's a perfect match. "Don't be a pervert in public and harass women you don't know, go home home and be a pervert in the comfort of your own home with our grade A videos". Somebody should pitch that to Porn Hub or Xvideos etc. They could prolly spin it the right way. Edit: Porn in itself is problematic as far as women and autonomy is concerned, but that's another discussion.

[–]kjdflkas 12ポイント13ポイント  (24子コメント)

Porn in itself is problematic as far as women and autonomy is concerned

Can you explain this? I don't think that's the case at all but I could be missing something.

[–]ponytatoronto [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Aren't there studies that porn has a causal effect in making men less satisfied with their sex lives? Its because they see beautiful women having sex in ways most men don't get to have. That's the theory anyway. Men are less satisfied with "real women" and how they have sex. I mean, i like sex, but I'm never going to enthusiatically beg to give my boyfriend a blow job after he's fucked me in the ass while i scream about how big his dick is.

And let's face it, a lot of people in porn are more attractive too... if you're comparing your sex life to that as a man its easy to see how you might be less satisfied with normal women. Women can know that thats what theyre being compared to and contribute to body issues?

It is a lot of conjecture, and kind of an unfortunate problem. Obviously you can't stop people from watching porn as a practical issue and a moral one... none of my business what people watch, right? But it might have unintended negative consequences.

[–]scifibum [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Porn consumers do not do nearly enough to make sure that the content was produced ethically. Trafficking and coercion aren't necessarily obvious when viewing the end result, but they happen a lot in porn. Also "revenge" stuff that was uploaded without the permission of all the participants.

There are more abstract concerns about how we influence/train people to think of sexual partners as objects. I think this is worth thinking about but hard to weigh against other factors relating to freedom of expression and giving people an outlet for their needs that might be less damaging than other things.

But leaving aside the tricky stuff, there is a definite problem with unethically produced content and I think it's fair to say that the ethical problems have to do with whether the portrayed subjects had full autonomy in the production or agreeing to the distribution. This goes for male subjects too, even if it's mostly women.

[–]ProbablyNotJohnSaxon [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

You should take a look at the content of the USC 2257 record keeping rules for pornography. They address a lot of your concerns with trafficking and what not. If that notice is at the beginning of an adult feature, it means that any LEA with the proper authorization can query and shall receive information about the performers in the production.

Are they perfect? No, but existing labor laws also don't guarantee perfectly that the person serving you at Chipotle is working legally, either.

[–]testiclelice [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Porn consumers do not do nearly enough to make sure that the content was produced ethically.

Let me throw out an alternative or parallel argument. I'd say that given what we've known about more mainstream entertainment, they're not much better at producing material through ethical means.

There is some really scummy behavior in Hollywood that is coverd up or ignored.

I'm not sure why consumers of porn are under some additional burden than people who sit around and watch E! all day long.

[–]AppaBearSoup [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do consumers of other goods do anything to ensure ethical production? Seems a general problem with buying anything nonlocal.

[–]VinKelsier 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Because you disagree with people's autonomous decisions and their autonomy is only okay insofar as you approve of it?

[–]realberbersilver 23ポイント24ポイント  (26子コメント)

Ugh, and of course there are some men here telling us that catcalling is just a compliment, and they'd love it if women did it to them, so we all need to lighten up.

You know what this reminds me of? Remember that video awhile ago where some cops were pulling people over to give them free ice cream? As a white person, that would be a pretty innocuous experience for me. Being pulled over is annoying, but hey, free ice cream, no harm done! But if you're black, being pulled over is a very different experience. The "worst case scenario" isn't a ticket, it's getting shot because some cop couldn't see your hands. So being put through that worry just for some ice cream is pretty crappy.

As a guy picturing being catcalling by a bunch of women, you don't have the same fears. You don't have the experiences of men getting angry and mean when you don't respond to their "compliments." You probably haven't been followed home by some woman yelling sexual comments at you. You aren't worried about her being able to physically overpower you. To you, it's like being pulled over once and getting a free ice cream. For a lot of women, it's like getting pulled over repeatedly and wondering each time whether things are going to go downhill and how you can keep that from happening.

I don't mind a polite, non-sexual compliment from a stranger. But catcalls aren't fun. What you're doing isn't empathy, because you're not putting yourself in a woman's shoes, you're just indulging your own fantasy.

[–]manyofthecats [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes. There is a huge difference between, "I like your dress/you look beautiful" and the person then continuing to walk and(this has happened to me) someone changing direction to follow a women while shouting "Your ass looks damn good. Oh what I'd do to it..."

[–]Limnelogos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I like the "Comnents" part thank god I don't work as a proof-reader for them.

[–]ksedymami [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The placement of "Is she literally a cat?" seems a bit far down the chart.

I mean, if I see a cat that isn't dressed up real nice or looking sad, I might still approach.

[–]Spyrothedragon9972 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is fucking lame! A real playboy would have said "Come, let me show you my yacht." in an Arab accent.

[–]Saxifrage_Russell [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Maybe accept the compliment and stop looking for excuses to play the victim.

[–]DICKNIPPLESALAD [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't ever say anything to a girl you don't know. Let them talk to you first. Don't get any girls that talk to you because you're under 6ft? Too bad, I guess

[–]hangonsilvergirl 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is EXCELLENT.

[–]deptford [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Brit here. In all my years, I have never seen cat calling. My multiple female relatives also say they have never experienced it. Is there any correlation between this behaviour and nationality? Not bashing anyone, just wondering about women who have lived outside of where they were born and raised.

[–]spacehurps [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's probably just that you've never encountered it. I've never personally been catcalled/seen it either, but I live in and have traveled to places where it definitely happens to women. I don't think our anecdotal evidence proves anything.

[–]purikura [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think it happens more in big cities. And poorer cities. Whenever I visit Colombia (in a big, and very very poor city) I get cat-called constantly. Never happens where I live.

[–]bjfie 2ポイント3ポイント  (15子コメント)

As a man I've never known anyone personally would catcall a woman nor have I ever done it myself. I think a specific type of person does this sort of shit.

The only time I've actually witnessed it was from black dudes in the city. If I never went into Manhattan, I don't think I'd ever had experienced it.

[–]Snatch1414 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

I only knew one guy that I've ever seen do it (once) and he was one of those guys you looked up to when you were younger then realized he was a tool once you matured. It's absolutely a certain type of person, not a problem that all or even a majority of males need to address.

[–]xjx545 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

If anything the majority of males have the exact opposite problem: An inability to confidently communicate with women without sounding creepy, desperate, or contrived.

[–]a0x129 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Hell, just complimenting someone never comes out anyway other than creepy.

"Wow, that's a great dress, where did you find it?"

"Back off, creep!"

"Woah, woah, I'm asking for my wife... she has a similar sty.... OH GOD FUCKING PEPPER SPRAY!"

[–]rebeltrillionaire [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

See that's where you fucked up. You compliment her shoes. Then she assumes you're gay. Then you can ask about the outfit for your wife. Wanna prove you're married? Ask her if she's got a Pinterest.

[–]a0x129 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

buhhhh... pinterest.

Between my wife and sister-in-law, I'm forced into that dungeon of doom at least once a week.

[–]Sampon74 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You need a comma before pepper, sir. You'll thank me when you read it again.

[–]a0x129 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

A comma maybe before fucking, but after fucking it just doesn't work.

[–]Sampon74 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

On the contrary, I enjoy a nice comma before and after

[–]Unicorn_toots_ 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'll bet you know at least a couple folks who have. Maybe when they were young and dumb, who knows, but I'll bet you do. I've mostly been catcalled in my smallish Midwestern city. It's pretty wealthy and white; the majority of sexual harassment I've experienced has been from white men. I am also white. Catcalling happens outside large urban areas too.

[–]MeloneFxcker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

ive never seen it or done it, honestly I cant think of a WORSE way to get a girls attention than calling out outrageous things across the street.

Also im from the UK, but spend barely any time in any built up areas, it really does seem like an exaggeration when I see threads like this but obviously it isn't, I just don't see it

[–]:DFiiko 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This one was good! Thanks for sharing!

[–]therealrico 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

ITT a bunch of guys commenting on why it isn't a big deal. I'm a dude and I while totally can't pretend like I know what they go through can at least have some empathy on why they aren't interested in this kind of attention. This video helped me really appreciate how annoying it must be for a women.

http://youtu.be/EZClqB26iso

[–]Banana_Grace [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is by far the best thing that I have seen all day! Go playboy for this one!

[–]sadsublife3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

this is how we get these lovely people though

[–]leswynan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

TIL Playboy is still in publication. Who knew?

[–]upsydasy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Surprisingly almost accurate, especially coming from Playboy.

[–]Jebbediahh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My exact response was: BUWAHAHAHAHAHAA this is Perfect!

[–]Jalrisper [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Fact: I once meowed at a girl that was not a cat, she later came to ask for my number.

[–]1v1crown [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

ayy ayy baby wats yo name gurl???

gets them every time :3

[–]thesuper88 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

TIL I'm a creep for calling to naked cats that look happy and have average asses.

[–]colin8696908 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I um I don't this is a very good chart to use.