I haven't really posted on Reddit before so apologies if the formatting of this post is messed up!

I've been trying to figure out this movement/lifestyle, out of curiosity more than anything else. I've seen it grow and I've felt the sentiment spreading throughout some of my male friends, and with the recent media coverage as well, it's no longer a niche movement.

As for my question, I've been getting a lot of mixed messages from people I know and from YouTubers I've watched, who are interested in/proponents of this kind of lifestyle. Admittedly, the majority of the men I personally know who express MGTOW sentiment are incels rather than men who have withdrawn from taking relationships with women seriously after actually experiencing them, so it may be that they are not the best source.

What I'd like to know is what do you (as MGTOW generally, or personally) think about women? Is every woman shallow, lazy, entitled, manipulating and so on, or is that just generally the case and you don't want to waste your time sifting through the trash? Is it a recent thing that our society has brought out in women, or do you think that women are hard-wired to behave that way and our current society just facilitates it? Do you think that men who believe they are in happy monogamous relationships with women are misguided/lying to themselves, or that the relationship is doomed to turn into a parasitic one further down the line?

I realise that each of you will have a slightly different take on this but I wanted to know what the consensus was. Thanks in advance for your responses!