Anyone here a partial MGTOW? I am not fishing for "you need to be a true MGTOW or gtfo" comments, just sharing some thoughts.

Personally I think the MGTOW community has a lot of valid points, and I see them in day-to-day life, especially with leftist women and self proclaimed feminists. This is much more prevalent in North American women. I have sworn off them after a long string of dating various women on online dating sites for about 5 years.

I know AWALT is a thing - statistically speaking, I have come to see that it is a thing regardless of origin - but it's a broad spectrum. Many women want comfort and stability and want to find a good man to achieve these things, but not all of them are self-centered malicious manipulators. Believe it or not there are women out there who very much want to love as much as they want to be loved, and I'm not talking about random sexual encounters. I'm talking about getting real meaning out of life that is not material or superficial. These women are incredibly hard to find, and even if you do, eventual societal pressures may drive them to become the less nice kind.

My point is I get what you guys are saying on the whole. As an aside, it's easy to fill up this subreddit with anecdotes about women being "evil", but it's just as easy to start a subreddit about men rapists, molesters, abusers, etc. The root of the issue is more about attitude, and most women buy into feminism, they want to abolish any sort of gender divide, essentially ignoring millions of years of evolution.

I don't know. I started dating a wonderful European woman having the highest of education. On a day-to-day basis she reads books, she does nice things for her friends and relatives, she goes out of her way to help people she doesn't know well, and she's receptive to controversial ideas, and she has no major expectations. She isn't hiding that she does one day might want to marry, and maybe have kids, and have meaning in her life. She also says that she would only want this if I wanted it, so that it's meaningful to both of us. On my end of things, I have strong feelings for this woman because she embodies all the positive qualities I rarely find in anyone, especially my male friends. I don't necessarily think she's a beauty queen, or that sex is amazing, but the combination of her traits just gives me such immense peace and comfort that somehow it feels right.

I know full well the laws associated with marriage, or how women manipulate men into long-term relationships, or how even if they start out honest and pure, they may spoil and take advantage of the system against you. But I would say many of you might be robbing yourself of deeper meaning in your lives by following an online reddit message board. When you think about how lucky and unlikely our individual existence on the earth is, it is sad that this gender issue has become such a problem. It is sad that so many men won't experience love and the deep meaning in a mutually beneficial romantic relationship. I mean, TRP and MGTOW are testament to the frustration of all these men. If these things were not an issue, they would just simply move on and talk about sports or video games or something, but instead this subreddit is filled with..well you know what.

So if there are other "moderate" MGTOWs out there, perhaps you are "purple pillers" (though I went to the purple pill subreddit and it sucks), maybe you can chime in with your story and outlook.