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[–]Helios_et_selene 140ポイント141ポイント  (23子コメント)

Can someone help me understand how this implicates Clinton? I want to have sources for my arguments, but this just shows she knew about it.

[–]Fauglheim 123ポイント124ポイント  (15子コメント)

Her main defense when confronted with the Libya disaster is that "other nations (France included) were blowing up the phone lines, urging her to stop this humanitarian disaster". That's nearly a verbatim quote from her mouth.

This email shows she was well aware that France's call for intervention was rooted in imperialism, not humanitarianism. The fact that she enthusiastically joined them, while misrepresenting their motivations, implies her support of imperialism.

EDIT To address the understandable "possibly misleading" flair:

Whether she was personally after the gold in particular is too specific of a point. Focusing solely on the gold misses the more important point that Hillary supports and participates in imperial wars of aggression.

[–]unabletofindmyself 41ポイント42ポイント  (11子コメント)

[–]4esop 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

wow. I had not read that. Not your typical conspiracy source.

[–]foamster 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I heard about this stuff years ago. It blows my mind trump hasn't brought it up, but I suspect he wouldn't have enjoyed a Dinar currency either.

[–]4esop [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah if the only way he brings it up is the same way he brought up the Fed, he's not really doing anything useful.

[–]TheGhostOfDusty [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

[–]Fauglheim [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That series of articles needs far more attention than it received.

It's a shame we only have an anonymous source and Hersh's reputation to back it. I would give almost anything for the source to come forward.

[–]letsgocrazy[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

People need to stop acting like conspiracies don't happen.

The smugness and dismissivenes is damaging.

Iraq was a conspiracy. Libya was a conspiracy.

[–]Lo0seR [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Wonder what Helios thinks of your link?

[–]johnbutler896 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What does former dignitas jungler have to do with this?

[–]wheeldog [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank you for the link! Sharing that far and wide. It's a well put together collage of complete and total asshattery

[–]thyeyretoocute 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Source on her saying that please.

[–]Fauglheim 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was during the first DNC debate. Bernie brought up her campaign in Libya and that was her response. The full quote is in the source below.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-defends-libya-intervention-benghazi/article/2574059

[–]i_reddit_for_lulz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

suports and participates in imperial wars of aggression

Sadly, many people must be living in a land where they believe America does no wrong.

Because most people of color have known this for centuries. From aid given that comes with the imperial hand, this is why you will see countries suffer and even starve rather than ask or accept help from western countries.

[–]brmlb 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Clinton Emails on Libya Expose The Lie of ‘Humanitarian Intervention’

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-kovalik/clinton-emails-on-libya-e_b_9054182.html

Probably the most revealing email is dated March 30, 2011, just 11 days into the NATO bombing campaign which would go on until October, 20, when Qaddafi was finally murdered (after being sodomized). In this email (C05782459), entitled “Win this War,” Clinton’s closest adviser, Sidney Blumenthal, makes it clear that, in terms of the continuing reasons for the war, any “humanitarian motive offered is limited, conditional and refers to a specific past situation.” In other words, while NATO would go on bombing for another 7 months, Blumenthal is already admitting that there is really no humanitarian basis for continuing the conflict.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/35222-exposing-the-libyan-agenda-a-closer-look-at-hillary-s-emails

Exposing the Libyan Agenda: A Closer Look at Hillary Clinton's Emails

Qaddafi's government holds 143 tons of gold, and a similar amount in silver.... This gold was accumulated prior to the current rebellion and was intended to be used to establish a pan-African currency based on the Libyan golden Dinar. This plan was designed to provide the Francophone African Countries with an alternative to the French franc (CFA). In a "source comment," the original declassified email adds:

Qaddafi's threatened attempt to establish an independent African currency was not taken lightly by Western interests. In 2011, Sarkozy reportedly called the Libyan leader a threat to the financial security of the world. How could this tiny country of six million people pose such a threat? First some background.

It is banks, not governments, that create most of the money in Western economies, as the Bank of England recently acknowledged. This has been going on for centuries, through the process called "fractional reserve" lending. Originally, the reserves were in gold. In 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt replaced gold domestically with central bank-created reserves, but gold remained the reserve currency internationally.

In 1944, the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank were created in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, to unify this bank-created money system globally. An IMF ruling said that no paper money could have gold backing. A money supply created privately as debt at interest requires a continual supply of debtors; and over the next half century, most developing countries wound up in debt to the IMF. The loans came with strings attached, including "structural adjustment" policies involving austerity measures and privatization of public assets.

After 1944, the US dollar traded interchangeably with gold as global reserve currency. When the US was no longer able to maintain the dollar's gold backing, in the 1970s it made a deal with OPEC to "back" the dollar with oil, creating the "petro-dollar." Oil would be sold only in US dollars, which would be deposited in Wall Street and other international banks.

[–]PlasmaHorse 44ポイント45ポイント  (4子コメント)

It doesn't. Any sort of dirt on clinton that comes as a conclusion from reading that email is pure speculation, but of course if you're looking for anything at all to pin on her, that doesn't really matter.

I think HRC is corrupt as much as anyone else on here, but this is shitposting as its best.

[–]Fauglheim 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

Remember that she framed the intervention as a humanitarian effort. She specifically claimed that France wanted to invade Libya for humanitarian purposes.

These emails show she was aware of their true intentions and supported their imperialism.

[–]The_pun_fart 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

The most important link so far between gold and HRC comes from Haiti. After the quake, for the first time in 50 years, a mining company was given access in the beleaguered nation. On the company's board was none other than Tony Rodham, HRC's brother.

But that Qaddafi, so hated that he would travel standing up in the back of an open convertible, waving to the throngs of Libyan citizens.

Our president does that all the time too. /s

[–]brmlb -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

So this is all new to you, you've done zero research on any of this, and you pass it all off as "shitposting".

Is it possible for you to start putting pieces of information together, or do you need it to be spoonfed?

Corruption doesn't come in neat email subject headers.

[–]Bayerrc -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you. Only a r/conspiracy would take this info and declare FACT

[–]tomdarch 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It doesn't. This is from Sidney Blumenthal, a "journalist" and what we've learned about him from these e-mails is that he loves to push info towards Clinton, in a bunch of "Hey, Hill, FYI..." ways.

[–]PlasmaHorse 55ポイント56ポイント  (4子コメント)

Nice shit title. A single email that shows that Blumenthal gave Clinton intel about the situation in Lybia, including the fact that that tons of gold had recently been moved.

Now I'm a firm believer that HRC is as dirty and corrupt as they come, but how the fuck does this email prove (or even hint at) any sort of corruption or shady motives?

Every day the posts that make it to the front page on this sub get worse. And the content itself isn't even necessarily bad; it's just always paired with a completely batshit insane post title...

[–]RDay 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Now I'm a firm believer that HRC is as dirty and corrupt as they come

if you scroll up, you will find that everyone who shares your opinion also has this exact phrase in it. "I'm with you bro, but you are retarded to believe this." is classic spookspeak.

[–]Tewks44 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

The only other person I saw using the same phrase if I scrolled up was the same Reddit user replying to the top comment. And it's kind of a leap to assume "spook speak" because people are using similar phrasing regardless. Maybe instead of relying on speculation as your core argument you should actually address the content being discussed. Crying shill just tells me you're up against the wall and have no reasonable defense.

[–]wheeldog [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Crying shill has unfortunately become necessary lately. You cannot deny that there are paid shills lurking in every dark corner of reddit waiting to pounce on any information painting Hillary as corrupt. I think the burden of proof these days lays on the person being called shill. I'm an intelligent middle aged adult and I find it necessary to cry shill a lot on reddit, because they attack at every turn of the corner. Pre-CTR I would have taken the time to inspect every reply to my posts and then reply with a thoughtful well informed answer but now, I do not have the time to do research into the user history of every single redditor that challenges me. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... it's probably a CTR shill. They are legion. You mad at that bro? Then go fight the shills and waste all YOUR energy. I don't got time for that.

[–]Tewks44 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

you cannot deny that there are paid shills lurking in every dark corner of Reddit.

Yes I can.

[–]chickyrogue 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

of course the gold was moved just like in the ukraine

its the first step they take before pulverizing the countryside

[–]TheUltimateSalesman 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-18/ukraine-admits-its-gold-gone

Tonight, around at 2:00 am, an unregistered transport plane took off took off from Boryspil airport. According to Boryspil staff, prior to the plane's appearance, four trucks and two cargo minibuses arrived at the airport all with their license plates missing. Fifteen people in black uniforms, masks and body armor stepped out, some armed with machine guns. These people loaded the plane with more than forty heavy boxes.

After this, several mysterious men arrived and also entered the plane. The loading was carried out in a hurry. After unloading, the plateless cars immediately left the runway, and the plane took off on an emergency basis.

Airport officials who saw this mysterious "special operation" immediately notified the administration of the airport, which however strongly advised them "not to meddle in other people's business."

Later, the editors were called by one of the senior officials of the former Ministry of Income and Fees, who reported that, according to him, tonight on the orders of one of the "new leaders" of Ukraine, all the gold reserves of the Ukraine were taken to the United States.

[–]A_T_King 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

Is this the leak Assange was hyping up?

[–]long_live_king_melon 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nah, I've read this before. This is old. Important, but old. The post date reads 01-07-16.

[–]tomdarch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It isn't even important. It's just Sidney Blumenthal doing his usual thing of pushing info at Clinton.

[–]merupu8352 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This has definitely been posted to this subreddit before.

[–]XxNerdKillerxX 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

History repeating itself. The Rothchild's first task when they conquered India (via the John Company) was to strip the Taj Mahal of its gold and other precious metals, and ship it back to their vaults.

[–]SoCo_cpp 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

This doesn't show anyone going after gold. Reading comprehension, do you have any?

The amount of gold being talked about is petty. $7 Billion worth including silver. Pffffs.

This is an assessment of Qaddafi's military and economic power threats. It mentions gold in reference to Qaddafi's ability to finance his military operations despite freezing his foreign bank accounts.

It outline's France's interest in Libya's oil and France's interest in maintaining dominance over parts of West and Central Africa, which was being threatened by Qaddafi and specifically by his long term ability to influence those regions of Africa into using a Libyan gold backed currency to shit on the French treasury backed CFA franc currency which has a fixed rate tied to Euros.

[–]thyeyretoocute 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the point is that France went after Libya to keep them as a weak power. Which is indirectly going after their gold, since it's the gold (and also oil) that's making them a threat for 'supplanting (superseding)' France in the African regions in the first place.

According to these individuals Sarkozy's plans are driven by the following issues:

a.A desire to gain a greater share of Libya oil production,

b. Increase French influence in North Africa,

c.Improve his internal political situation in France,

d. Provide the French military with an opportunity to reassert its position in the world,

e.Address the concern of his advisors over Qaddafi's long term plans to supplant France as the dominant power in,Francophone Africa. )

[–]BottomlessPete 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wouldn't this actually be intel that shows that freezing Qaddafi's assets was ineffective because he had prepared for that by securing his gold against an invasion of Tripoli?

[–]nopropaganda [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I AINT SAYING HILDOG IS A GOLD DIGGER BUT....

[–]WithANameLikeThat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The world's elite will murder any state leader who attempts to implement a currency that's backed up by precious metals.

[–]WallStRogue 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Libya had the 6th largest gold reserve in the planet around 2010-2011. This is a fact, it was in the CIA world factbook for that year. As soon as we hear about gadaffi moving out of the petrodollar economy, many "dissident groups armed to the teeth" appear and in an interview afterwards hillary says "we came, We conquer, he died" while bursting in laghter. We are talking about a dead individual and she laughs.

Fact: Interventionism in a sovereign state by the US(again). Fact: where is the gold? Fact: hillary was the articulator for that happening, creating a massive void of power, unleashing a massive wave of terrorism and immigrants to europe.

All of this for what? Her psychotic power hungriness? Her pandering to the oil/financial industry? She clearly conspired to violate UN regulations, conspired against a sovereign nation and conspired to provoke war.

What more evidence you need?

[–]nausicaa88 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why is it that anybody or any country wants to shift to the gold standard of currency gets killed or destabilised and a new government put in place?

[–]SoCo_cpp 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because the world is running on a corrupt racket of un-backed IOU's that we can print endlessly. Anyone who wants to shift back to a gold standard currency, gets destabilized and killed. Bitcoins might just save us all from these bankers.

[–]saitosoul 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Actually, a gold standard isn't a good idea for most countries because the majority of gold has been looted and hoarded by the bankers and their associated mining corps, consequently the value of gold is prone to heavy manipulation.

In ghadaffis case, he wanted Africa's exports to be denominated in gold, but more broadly he wanted africa to be rid of corruption and for the commodities in africa to be sold at a fair value and not at fires ale values as it is now to predominantly jewish and western bankers, miners and merchants. This is why he was killed.

The problem with money is its control globally by a group of unelected bankers who along with their associates orchestrated 911, in addition to their general looting of pensions resources and labour

[–]SoCo_cpp 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

That is pretty much what I get out of it. Ghadaffi wanted Africa to ditch the Euro-backed CFA Franc by establishing a gold-backed currency, apparently using his gold holdings.

I do think a currency that is purportedly backed by something of value can be better than Western IOU's though. Obviously someone feared it was.

[–]saitosoul 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're interested in learning the honest truth about money I'd highly recommend this documentary

Fiat money is fine as long as you have absolute military dominance to back it up which the israelis and affiliated bankets and industries have coopted for their own hegemonic purposes

[–]SoCo_cpp 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is a pretty old documentary.

Fiat is control. You give people money that you can take back parts of at any time through deflation. You can manipulate the economy to cause increased economic inequality by increasing interest rates. This takes the power away from workers and puts it into the hands of the corporations. Bitcoin might save us from these collapsing fiat currencies, which are decades past their expected life cycles and awash in corruption and manipulation.

[–]sick_gainz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Person A wants Person B's gold/resources. Person A kills Person B, takes gold and resources. Shouldnt person A go to jail?

[–]heykarlll 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

funny how none of Sarkozys reasons are altruistic

[–]JTRIG_trainee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Seeing what they did to Libya (and now Syria) makes me even more ashamed to be from the same species.

[–]know_comment 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

meanwhile the priceless artifacts always just "disappear" into the private collections of very wealthy people. we'll say that the terrorists destroyed it because that's what we're supposed to believe muslims do.

[–]Commissar_Sae 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hell a lot of the artifacts at places like Palmyra were sold at auction to finance further fighting. Most of the people that run Islamist rebels or terrorist organizations are well aware that selling historic artifacts is more beneficial than destroying them.

They will break a few here and there to make a show of being iconoclast but most are quite pragmatic. Why destroy something you can sell off to buy more ammo?

Then the media can make a big show about all the broken priceless art while keeping quiet about the western millionaires who are financing the very same terrorists by buying stolen art.

[–]mHtt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh please like FACTS have any bearing on this election.

[–]CogitatorX -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

She has the gold in the same secure Clinton Foundation vault that holds the corpses of Vince Foster, Bill's black love child and all those dead DNC staffers you hear so much about in this sub. Wake up Sheeple.

[–]wheelinganddealing -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wow. I think Ben Fulford said this, and some other alternative sources. It's always about the Gold and Silver on some level.

[–]ayylmoe 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

He also said that HRC is dead and was replaced by an CGI hologram, so I'd say he's got a few screws loose.

[–]TheUltimateSalesman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're called lootable resources. Gold, diamonds, things that are easily sold to liquidate and finance war.

[–]Beitje 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't see what the big deal is. Billy Crystal went after Curly's gold and no one said shit.

[–]locotxwork [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"Come and get me . .come and get me . . COME AND GET ME . . . AAAAAAAAAGHHHH!"

(I love City Slickers)

[–]AR-47 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This election is just one big ride that I wanna get off of.

[–]Troll_5tar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

BUT BUT.. where does it mention the tweets.. ya know about teh chinezze.. ya know whrere we win the debate from trump.