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Rollo Tomassi - AMA 30 Sep, 2016 (self.marriedredpill)

stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED が 投稿 - announcement

Great news for everyone. Probably the biggest name in The Red Pill, and tops in the manosphere, Rollo Tomassi is coming to Married red pill

When

30 Sep 2016, 1700 - 2000 EST. (Time is subject to change)

Why

For those that don't know, Rollo is actually a happily married man, been that way for a while. As such, he's in a unique position to give a great perspective on a quality Red Pill man and gender interactions, beyond plates. He's also been able to do what he does in the manosphere for over a decade, with no Doxx scares that I'm aware of.

feel Free to ask him anything.

A few caveats, before faggots try to fuck this up:

  1. If you haven't read the rational male, I would strongly suggest doing so before asking questions. He has limited time, as do the men in here who work. People will respect that, and ensure that your question isn't easily answered by linking a post he has made in the last 5 years.
  2. Priority will be given to regulars in the Own your shit threads. Those are the guys who are in here, week after week, starting out of cookie dough, and eventually becoming a man, carved out of wood.
  3. This IS NOT PPD, TBP, or any other cuck space. Rule 0 will be strictly enforced. This is not the time for you to bicker about whether the red pill is moral, useful, or a mysogynistic cult. No warnings.
  4. Leave the top level comments here for new questions. If you have a question that is on the same thread as another one, feel free to comment to it, so Rollo can see questions in greater depth.
  5. Rollo loves feedback, I will sticky a thread in here for all thank you's personal stories, photos of his book, pictures of your greyhounds. The better organized this is, the less time he has to spend hunting, and the more time he has to spend interacting with the red pill community.
  6. TRP, RPW, and redpillwives are all invited as well. Same rules apply. While they are guests in your sub, be good hosts. If you're commenting in a thread about something that isn't to Rollo, or about Rollo, chances are it isn't supposed to be here.
  7. Report anything that doesn't focus on the mission. We are here to here all about Rollo Tomassi. His books, his podcasts, his love for greyhounds, his time in the liquor business, his marriage, future plans, and his meta analysis on the manosphere in general.

Enjoy, I know I will.

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[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED[S,M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (0子コメント)

For those who aren't fully familiar with Rollo, Some links to his contributions to the manosphere

The blog

The rational male

RM2 - preventative medicine

the Man in demand

Red Pill Monthly

[–]IASGame 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

About Rule 1: there are practically no questions you can ask him that he hasn't covered in a post.

[–]TheFamilyAlphaPro-Masculine Evangelist 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

To the guys who will be reading this & for all who benefit - understand it didn't just happen.

Don't be a woman & think things just happened to bring Rollo to the MRP subreddit.

I watched this play out from the beginning. I've watched /u/stonepimpletilists from his first post where WMP & I tested him to what he's become, a man whose taken ownership of himself & has consciously chosen to help others.

This AMA is happening and all of you are afforded the opportunity to chat with one of the most influential minds on the Manosphere because /u/stonepimpletilists made it happen.

He made it happen on Reddit & he made it happen on Twitter.

Instead of being a member who leeches value, he helped others, became a mod, set a standard of this sub, & is actively looking for ways to not only improve the quality here, but also to grow the MRP side of the house & the legitimacy of this group.

I don't want you to spam his inbox with pictures of your rock hard cocks as a thank you - but I do want you to see ways you can do the same as well as observing that if you want it, you've got to make it happen.

The sky's the limit gentlemen.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'll add my own personal questions on this one:

What's your thoughts on much of the manosphere (read:alt right + others) and horseshoe theory during this political cycle. Is a lot of what's passing now for masculinity just more of the same, albiet with a manly covering?

I'm curious, don't see much talk about your time on the SoSuave forums. How did you get from there to here? Where did you see they went wrong in your opinion? And where do you see TRP having it's 15 minutes, and what could possibly come out of the ashes?

And finally, you asked everyone, but how would you actually open that table of girls in Lake Tahoe? I was at a loss, wondering what you would do?

[–]anythingincMRP APPROVED 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

time on the SoSuave forums

It is interesting how the bloggers I followed transitioned. The manosphere begins with pussy, sorry, it does. I don't think about the FI or hypergamy or the elections or lifting weights or see an interracial couple and go find the manosphere. I'm thinking about dating or the girl who rejected me, or gaming women or getting my wife to fuck me or saving my marriage or getting a divorce or what to say to that cute chick in my class. I ended up in the manosphere via the Divorce Busters circa 1992 "180" or "Last resort" routine, which is essentially MRP Lite. Roosh and Roissy and Rollo reminded me how shit works, how to act naturally, how to date again. But then they started transitioning. Roosh first I think, pick up got tiring, he became an effigy, the public scrutiny and desire to finally find a good woman and settle down, while "outrage brokering" congealed into his men's-rights, neo-masculinity thing. Roissy, similar, from pick-up and game and dating and sexual dynamics to alt-right commentary. Rollo solidified the concept of unplugging and what that meant to living and dating and marriage and has up-scaled that to Female Imperative/hypergamy/solipsism and will soon feature more "Red Pill parenting and family interactions in a feminine-primary social order. Does that say that the "manosphere" is upscaling from "game" to altright/mensrights/society-level stuff. I know Rollo rejected Roosh's "neo-masculinity" in favor of "Red-Pill" truths. I guess that is the natural progression? Starting at game and pussy, but ending with meta-level social changes that left men ill-prepared for game and pussy in the first place. Like, I don't have to become an ubermensch and vote Trump and fight liberalism and The FI so that I can date and marry effectively and ensure my sons can date effectively and keep my daughters off the CC do I? I can just unplug and internalize game and live my life right?

So where does that leave:

I'm thinking about dating or the girl who rejected me, or gaming women or getting my wife to fuck me or saving my marriage or getting a divorce or what to say to that cute chick in my class.

this guy?

It is a testament to Rollo's work I guess that TRP lives and breaths by his Year 1/2/3 writings, and I think his current article "Stalling for Time" does a great job of illustrating the transition. Meta Female Imperative/hypergamy/solipsism trickling down to YaReally's in-the-trenches comment about dating and commitment. Rollo mentioned in "Year 5" that his traffic continues to grow, but his chart shows he hasn't peaked since Jan 2015. So I wonder about the viability of this whole altright/mensrights/society-level movement. We came for game, but we have to dig back 3 years for it? I wonder who links to his site? What are they looking for? Game? Red-Pill truths? Alt-Right? Do we unplug, internalize some game and self-improvement, learn about hypergamy, the epiphany phase etc..., find a woman, and then drop out again? That is what happens here at MRP right? We see it nearly every day. "Life's good, moving on guys, later." Hell, we all look forward to that day right? Who gets to that point and still refreshes Heartiste to read his take on the elections? Who still visits Roosh to see how he is fighting the feminist cabal? Is the manosphere dependent upon continuously unplugging a new crop of game-seekers? Do we try to alt-right them while they are here because that is intrinsic to unplugging and having game? Or is there a market for catering to red-pill men in general not centered around gaming, be it the hottie at the bar or your wife or your kids?

Rational Male is still the most relevant to my life, and with the transition to

Red Pill parenting and family interactions in a feminine-primary social order... in the coming months I will be offering some more generalized, prescriptive ideas or suggestions as to how I feel men might apply certain Red Pill principles in their lives.

I predict this will continue. While the "manosphere" has transitioned to men's rights, neo-masculinity, and alt-right commentary, Rollo holds firmly onto "Red-Pill truths" and how they play out in our daily relationships...it started with pussy, Rollo refines and upscales it, but I am still the man who can find a woman, get her to commit, and keep getting pussy. Alternatively, I feel the "manosphere" had to subsume the idea that I should just evolve until I shuffle off my mortal coil and attain some pure masculine form.

Back to SoSuave and this guy and transistions. YaReally is an old SoSuave guy who didn't start blogging. Not in the public eye, just commenting. And he's still gaming hard every day. Is yareallyarchive.com the bright spot in the "game" world? Is it just coincidence that Rational Male is his home base? Or does the "manosphere" suck but "red-pill" lives? There are hundreds of guys who will give you a seminar or post a field video to youtube or sell you some red pills and an email subscription, but this guy is still in SoSuave mode, gaming and posting comments. It makes me wonder if having a blog that feminists and blue-pill apologists can focus on leads to that social-level transition. Is it the adversity, or the coalition of thousands of unplugged game-seeking men in general? Literally none of the side-bar links at Chateau or RM hold any interest to me...except YaReally. I guess I care more about "game" than the alt-right.

Red Pill parenting and family interactions in a feminine-primary social order... in the coming months I will be offering some more generalized, prescriptive ideas or suggestions as to how I feel men might apply certain Red Pill principles in their lives.

I think this is what will sustain "The Red Pill." The game, and relationship game, are there to be endlessly read and relinked, new guys are going to need to be reminded that they are there though, but it is enough to answer their questions and get them through to where Rollo is going next.

[–]ned_harriman 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Or does the "manosphere" suck but "red-pill" lives?

MRA, MGTOW and alt-right generally fail because they don't get "it". You can't fix the problem if you don't know what it is. And the problem lies within us men. Feminism is cancer and it's eaten away our hearts until the point that we are fearful lions. Going to MRA or "manosphere" is like going to the Wizard of Oz. Redpill is the realisation that the man behind the curtain doesn't even fucking exist. And a lot of the manosphere doesn't get this.

A friend of mine who is a rational alt-right (but hasn't had the man behind the curtain aha moment with redpill) accidentally commented on this to me the other day: he said "what is Trump going to do? He can't save anything. He can try to stop the bleeding. Building a wall doesn't fix education, families, communities, and parenting" And this is why a true redpiller isn't a Trumpet. It's not that alt-right doesn't have some good points. It's that it doesn't address the issue. Because that issue is for most of us a personal one.

[–]Fast_Jimmy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a classic Sunk Cost Fallacy.

Guys who invest not only their identity but their very professional well being into Red Pill must defend it with their dying breath. So the most likely people to attack the tenets of the ideas, feminists and white knights, are the enemies. Red Pill, for those so heavily invested in its success or failure, must destroy those enemies.

So Red Pill (or its countless deviations that, as an above poster stated, "start with pussy" whether that be pick up, Game, professional or self improvement or even weight-lifting) evolves to fight its enemies... instead of serving its primary purpose.

If every hyper-feminist dropped dead tomorrow, the world would still be full of weak men, a year, a decade, a century for now. Weak men did not spring forth the same day women started burning bras - weak men have always existed. And the reason for this is there is little to no formal guidance in the history of the world in how men are to make themselves strong, better, constantly improving.

If RedPill ever reaches a "Mission Accomplished" point, it will be when strong men are consistently made, not when misguided women are silenced.

[–]ned_harriman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a classic Sunk Cost Fallacy.

Sunk cost into what? Western civilization?

Guys who invest not only their identity but their very professional well being into Red Pill must defend it with their dying breath.

Redpill (as opposed to its opposites, PUA, game etc) can and should be defended. It is the exact opposite of "start with pussy", this is the entire point. "Start with pussy" is what created bluepill thinking and the entire matrix of weaksause men. PUA and the ilk is built on similarly shaky foundations. Redpill is on a rock-solid foundation

Weak men did not spring forth the same day women started burning bras - weak men have always existed. And the reason for this is there is little to no formal guidance in the history of the world in how men are to make themselves strong, better, constantly improving.

This is the first time in history that men have had access to this kind of crowd-sourced information. The stakes have never been hirer: some won't bother stumbling across it (too lazy), others will reject it (brainwashed or lazy), and a very few will take it and turn the world upside down. The future is VERY bleak for the lazy.

[–]drty_pr 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My question is, what's your thoughts on bringing our sons into the manosphere? I completely understand the "first rule of fightclub", in terms of discussing it with my homies. A couple are pretty naturally RP, so we kick our thoughts into the proverbial fire. The rest are pussies and would just fuck my shit up.

As for my boys, is there an age in which I should start discussing the inner workings of the female psyche? Would they possibly bring it back to mom and again fuck my shit up? I've already been instilling MGTOW on them subconsciously, but the idea of making them figure women out on their own seems rather anti-mentor?

[–]sh0ckley 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very nice. Thanks for setting this up.

[–]anythingincMRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Godfather of the manosphere. I appreciate Mr. Tomassi and the MRP Team for this incredible opportunity.

I think it is a testament to his work that I can't immediately think of a burning unanswered question, maybe tangents left unexplored. I'm reminded of Richard Dawkins, another influential mind whose work is exhaustive and unyielding. In forums, he gets a lot of softballs, and questions any Biology major could answer...but some of his most interesting answers...at least the ones that get a million views on youtube...are along the lines of "What if you are wrong?" Questioning hypergamy is a lot like questioning evolution...it's there, we have the proof. I'm sure Rollo's logic has been refined by Blue Pill apologists just as relentlessly as Dawkins' has by fundamentalist Christians though.

The similarity may end there though...Dawkins has been divorced three times, maybe he should read the manosphere as much as the manosphere reads him.

[–]TheFamilyAlphaPro-Masculine Evangelist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you find that the Unplugging of married men will lead to a new 'class' of Masculine dudes?

I find myself pushing this concept that married dudes don't have to be dadbod cucks, yet the notion of a married man laying game, dread, having constant awesome sex, & being aware of the female imperative is entirely new.

[–]onmyownpath 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey that's great. Thanks for setting this up. Good stuff.

[–]RP_SuitScholar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Awesome. Well done.

[–]SampsonBrassMountain Man 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Major coup right there. Nice.

[–]PineleroMarried 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Props to yuz guyz for setting this up.

[–]anythingincMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Here are some questions he has already answered:

https://therationalmale.com/2014/08/14/20-questions/

1) What brought you to SoSuave and how did you find the site?

2) Any special reason for your SoSuave username, why you chose it?

3) What’s the best and or worst advice you’ve ever received in regards to chicks?

4) Have you ever posted in or lurked in other seduction forums/blogs etc?

5) How many chicks have you slept with?

6) What was your worst and best experience with a chick? (wife, girlfriend or not)

7) Have you ever gotten friendzoned by a chick and if so were you able to get out of it?

8) Have you ever had a chick or chicks offering their pussy to you on a platter and you blew them off for whatever reason? And why? (i.e. they offered the pussy on a platter to you at a bar in conversation or even at your or their place and you blew them off.)

9) How did you handle chicks who’ve flaked?

10) Most plates you’ve spun at one time?

11) How did you handle a time of having no plates?

12) Dress style you use for going out on the town/ social functions?

13) Are you currently working out/exercising?

14) For meeting chicks in the past which way was most successful in your point of view and have you tried all venues? Day, Social circle, Online social media/ Online dating, clubs, vacation, through family, work or whatever else.

15) Have you ever went full “No Contact”? (Not expecting “results” of getting a chick back but simply cutting all ties.)

16) How is married life going for you so far?

17) Have you read the full DJ Bible? Or some of it/none of it/ participated in it?

18) Have you ever met up with or talked to any SoSuave posters offline?

19) Favorite So Suave posters or posters on your site other blogs etc?

20) How’s feedback coming along for your book, The Rational Male?

[–]anythingincMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

More:

https://therationalmale.com/2014/11/28/rational-male-qa/

1) Does ONEitis best Hypergamy?

2) Genuine Inter-Gender friendships?

3) Religion vs Evolution vs Habit?

Gold from the comments:

I wonder if someday you could illuminate the ways in which men’s love is idealistic.

Turn on any top 40 radio station. Listen to the lyrics men write and sing then compare them to what women write and sing for half an hour. Profit. Watch the movie ‘Her‘. This is a 2-hour illustration of male idealistic love. This plot only works with a male as the main character.

https://therationalmale.com/2015/05/06/strength-of-interest/

  1. What is your opinion on the Celebrity Maxim?

  2. What is your take on the one strike rule?

Gold from the comments

Somebody explain to me why empathetic, rational, justice-oriented, women of good character who do not want to use a man for his resources but who simply wants to love and be loved are being passed up for baby mamas looking for a beta provider for their kids with previous men? Shouldn’t the child-free good beta men be pairing up with the child-free good beta women so that they can together create a family of their own? Why are these men going for baby mamas?

Sort of flies in the face of your Tao of Assortive Mating 101 (also a fallacy trotted out by Aunt Giggles). You want to know why Beta chumps pair off with baby-mommas? Because there are so many “average” men with “below average” impressions of their self-worth, and there are so many women with overblown perceptions of their own SMV. Only a mindset steeped in fem-centrism would be worried about men thinking too much of themselves. Women’s overblown egos and sense of self can’t stand the idea of men thinking they might actually deserve better than fucking the next baby-momma because he thought better of himself. And yeah, Aunt Giggles trots that out a lot too.

https://therationalmale.com/2012/02/28/fidelity/

Rollo recently told me he has never cheated on his wife...My question is: Why?

[–]rf_mikael 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because he loves her and because he knows and she knows he easily could. Rollo is not like the rest of us married chumps like this guy: http://www.theonion.com/article/husband-still-faithful-after-42-years-of-trying-to-2819 (trying-to-cheat)

[–]GargantuaBlarg29 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In your book, you write multiple times about counseling men, some of the mindset "If she'd just tell me what I have to do to make her love me I'd do it". However, in your blogs you also are of the opinion that some men are just too ingrained in the matrix, or living a relatively happy life that introducing them to red pill concepts would do more harm than good.

 

My questions are 1) Do you have some kind of framework for deciding 'yes this man may be a good candidate to begin guiding to red pill ideas' or 'no, it is likely best to let sleeping dogs lie here and take a different approach'?

And 2) If you decide to start guiding them to red pill conclusions, is there a certain topic you have found that men are more receptive to, which best paves the way for continued discussion?

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    [–]vox_veritasMarried 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This isn't the AMA.

    [–]agreatfuckinusername 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Leave the top level comments here for new questions. If you have a question that is on the same thread as another one, feel free to comment to it, so Rollo can see questions in greater depth.

    [–]anythingincMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Evident you don't read Rational Male.

    number one root cause of the sorry state of modern masculinity?

    Not to put words in his mouth, but his writing evidently states that he would say Female Imperative/hypergamy/solipsism with the byproduct of feminized men. Those terms are too "intersectional," to use a feminist term, to dissect without great length, which Rollo has done over the past 5 years. He might go further and say that men are the root cause because we have let that creep in and replace ourselves as our own mental point of origin. He might go even further and state that there is no "modern masculinity," what we are experiencing is the return of hypergamy, man and woman's feral state of intersexual dynamics...and that it is not necessarily "sorry"...just not great for Western Civilization.

    To answer the solution, among his many post on the subject:

    https://therationalmale.com/2016/05/15/tribes/

    The last half of the post:

    Pushing Back

    All of Rollo's posts have tags at the bottom. This one was tagged "Positive Masculinity," among others such as "feminized men, gender relations, hypergamy, intergender relations, male perspective, social conventions," and "The Feminine Imperative."

    Probably worth a check on those.